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TheSteve
03-25-2009, 03:27 PM
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In Quiverfull Movement, Birth Control Is Shunned

by Barbara Bradley Hagerty


Morning Edition (http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=3), March 25, 2009 · Among some conservative Christians, a movement is giving new meaning to the biblical mandate to "be fruitful and multiply."
The movement, called Quiverfull, is based on Psalm 127, which says, "Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are sons born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them."
Those in the Quiverfull movement shun birth control, believing that God will give them the right number of children. It turns out, that's a lot of kids.

'We Actually Didn't Want Children'

While cooking a typical predawn breakfast in the Swanson household in Shelby, Mich., 10-year-old Lydia Swanson cracks a dozen eggs laid by the family chickens. Her mother, Kelly, fries 3 pounds of sausage from the family's own pig and toasts a 12-inch loaf of homemade bread.
If they didn't raise their own food, Kelly Swanson says, they'd spend $1,000 a month on groceries for her gaggle of growing children, including 15-year-old Josiah and 13-year-old Elisha. But in listing their ages, Kelly gets Elisha's age wrong.
"At least I remembered your name," she says.
Kelly can perhaps be forgiven the lapse. The 40-year-old mom has seven children; the youngest is 6 months. And she'd like to have more.
The Swansons subscribe to the Quiverfull movement.
"When we first got married, we actually didn't want children," Kelly's husband, Jeff Swanson, says.


But then the Swansons began to notice that the Bible was very high on big families. And Kelly says that she and Jeff decided that God knew how many children they could handle.
"We just started thinking, 'God is sovereign over life and death. God opens and closes the womb,' " Kelly says. "That's what his word says, so why we're trying to fiddle around and controlling ourselves, we need to stop doing that."
Eighteen years and seven children later, the Swansons live on Jeff's dairy farm salary of less than $50,000 a year. And they've gotten used to the comments from outsiders, such as, "Do you know what causes this?"
"That's always my favorite one when I'm pregnant," Kelly says. "And my husband has a lovely response. Of course we know what causes it — we practice all the time."
Their friends do, too. The average family at their evangelical church has 8.5 kids. They are children who the Swansons hope will spread the message of Christ.


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Thats so damn scary, I feel bad for all those kids. "The womb is a weapon", Jesus Christ.

seraosha
03-25-2009, 03:50 PM
Wow, religious folks having big families.
BFD.

Welcome to Earth.

Laworkerbee
03-25-2009, 04:46 PM
Thats so damn scary, I feel bad for all those kids. "The womb is a weapon", Jesus Christ.

They sound like decent folks with a great sense of humor.

What is there to be scared of, why would you feel bad for the children and why the **** are you referring to a woman's womb as a weapon?

You're as screwed up as the author of this stupid hit piece.

MaDuce
03-25-2009, 04:57 PM
Chavs believe in large families as well so so it's not just the religious types.

Kit
03-25-2009, 05:01 PM
8.5 kids average?!?! I'm not against big families, but I hate it when people feel obligated to big families. There really isn't anything in the Bible that states that a woman must be impregnated every time she has ***.


"We look across the Islamic world and we see that they are outnumbering us in their family size, and they are in many places and many countries taking over those nations, without a jihad, just by multiplication," Campbell says.

So their solution is to out birth a society that sees females as objects for breeding and servants? Oh sure... great idea.:roll:

vryhpyammoadded
03-25-2009, 05:41 PM
If a couple can afford, be happy with and provide a good upbringing of a large family then more power to them. A “wise” family should always be the fundamental building block of culture and I hope they always counterbalance the unwise that so often seem to multiply from the success of the wise.

It’s a terrible thing to witness the unwise, once their numbers reach a substantial level, leverage a government to promote their sick, pathetic culture of robbing the success of others to feed their avarice.

I’m not religious but that’s a pretty cool Psalm, more power to them. If they can provide a good upbringing for those kids then I hope they out populate the a$$holes of the earth.

Gunge
03-25-2009, 06:19 PM
If a couple can afford, be happy with and provide a good upbringing of a large family then more power to them. A “wise” family should always be the fundamental building block of culture and I hope they always counterbalance the unwise that so often seem to multiply from the success of the wise.

It’s a terrible thing to witness the unwise, once their numbers reach a substantial level, leverage a government to promote their sick, pathetic culture of robbing the success of others to feed their avarice.

I’m not religious but that’s a pretty cool Psalm, more power to them. If they can provide a good upbringing for those kids then I hope they out populate the a$$holes of the earth.

i agree wholeheartedly
as long as they are responsibly raising their kids to be contributing members of society whats there to be scarred of?
i bet the kids will grow up to be good citizens/people so thats a plus for us all
just my .02

Blue_0
03-25-2009, 11:49 PM
They seem to be raising their kids all right.

Whats the problem here?

budgie
03-26-2009, 12:47 PM
Wow, religious folks having big families.
BFD.

Welcome to Earth.


Amen. It's like...duuh

MaDuce
03-26-2009, 01:24 PM
As long as they don't go on the dole it's alright with me.

loganinkosovo
03-26-2009, 01:39 PM
As long as they don't go on the dole it's alright with me.

And since the work ethic is instilled into them with their Mothers' milk they most likely won't end up on welfare.

Hard working, Clean people who keep up their property or Chavs/lowlifes for neighbors.....I'll take the Clean ones.

TheSteve
03-26-2009, 02:41 PM
They sound like decent folks with a great sense of humor.

What is there to be scared of, why would you feel bad for the children and why the **** are you referring to a woman's womb as a weapon?

You're as screwed up as the author of this stupid hit piece.

Why am I refering to a womans womb as a weapon? Because I was quoting the article you obviously didn't read man. Please read the article, or just listen to it if that's easier for you, before replying.

That's also the hope of Nancy Campbell, a leader of the Quiverfull movement and author of Be Fruitful and Multiply.
"The womb is such a powerful weapon; it's a weapon against the enemy," Campbell says.

I feel bad for the children because they are being used. Religion is, in general, becoming less popular. So the answer to this is to create as many kids as possible and ensure they are indoctrinated from birth? Shouldn't they choose? I'm sorry but to have kids simply to spread a message, whatever it may be, is pretty ****ed up.

Yeah its scary. Less and less people are buying into their school of thought, so their answer is to simply pop out as many kids as possible and brainwash them. Congratulations guys, great job.

seraosha
03-26-2009, 03:34 PM
Again, religious folks having big families, and hoping their faith is carried on by their kids. This has been the operating model for humanity pretty much from the beginning of time, so what exactly is news worthy?

So you are going to have children and not raise them to share the same values you have?

wildcat
03-26-2009, 03:37 PM
Why am I refering to a womans womb as a weapon? Because I was quoting the article you obviously didn't read man. Please read the article, or just listen to it if that's easier for you, before replying.
I feel bad for the children because they are being used. Religion is, in general, becoming less popular. So the answer to this is to create as many kids as possible and ensure they are indoctrinated from birth? Shouldn't they choose? I'm sorry but to have kids simply to spread a message, whatever it may be, is pretty ****ed up.

Yeah its scary. Less and less people are buying into their school of thought, so their answer is to simply pop out as many kids as possible and brainwash them. Congratulations guys, great job.
seems like the kids are in a good family, and not in some split home, or where the parents don't give a fvck. Being taught morals, what is wrong with that?

California Joe
03-26-2009, 03:41 PM
I'm going to start a band and call it Quiverfull.

wildcat
03-26-2009, 04:00 PM
I'm going to start a band and call it Quiverfull.
sounds like some acoustic hippy band.

Walter Sobchak
03-27-2009, 12:19 AM
Wow, religious folks having big families.
BFD.

Welcome to Earth.

At least they aren't doing it to get on welfare or create a suicide bomber pool of talent. I'm sure the 7 have the same daddy and won't have to go see him in the County or up at State. Get over it.

loganinkosovo
03-29-2009, 10:43 PM
I'm sure the 7 have the same daddy and won't have to go see him in the County or up at State. Get over it.


Not yet....give the Lefties some time though......

:)