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Ordie
03-26-2009, 01:34 AM
Assault rifles flow freely from Nevada

Phillip Matier,Andrew Ross (matierandross@sfchronicle.com)
Wednesday, March 25, 2009
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High-powered assault rifles aren't that hard to find - even for a convicted felon like Lovelle Mixon.
The kind of AK-47 that Mixon used to kill Oakland police officers Saturday can be had on the street for as little as $400.
Often they come from Nevada, where selling assault rifles is perfectly legal, unlike in California. Then they are brought to the Bay Area and resold.
If the buyer has a criminal past, "they have a friend - usually a girlfriend with no record - buy three or four," said one San Francisco narcotics cop who didn't want his name used because the department has not cleared him to speak publicly.
"Sometimes they all pitch in to buy them. Other times someone will go up, buy four guns, then come back and sell three of them to cover the cost of the one they keep."
"It's a right-to-your-door deal," the cop said.
Sometimes the crooks don't even bother with a middleman. Federal agents have a video from 2005 of a suspected West Sacramento gangbanger walking out of a Reno gun show with a newly purchased AK-47 strapped across his chest.
A source in the state Department of Justice told us the price of a semiautomatic assault rifle can jump significantly if the gun has been illegally modified to be fully automatic. But making the conversion isn't that tough.
"Sometimes it's done in garage workshops," the state source said. "It's a fairly simple procedure if you know what you're doing."
Once on the street, the guns are often moved from place to place, stashed in the home or apartment of a friend or relative - like a grandmother. "Someone without a record," our cop source said.
AK assault-style weapons are favored for their power and accuracy. They're good for turf fights.
"But they're pretty bulky," the cop said. "Smaller weapons are actually preferred by the pros, but they can cost twice as much."
The bulky AK assault weapons, however, are not losing their market share. Many are now being shipped south of the border for combatants in Mexico's growing drug wars.
Authorities say drug lords flush with cash are willing to pay twice the going rate for the weapons. Like most guns, AK rifles are illegal in Mexico, but the drug gangs can smuggle them in easily using their existing routes for narcotics.
Last year, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives traced 7,500 weapons seized in Mexican drug raids - many them AK-47-type rifles - back to the United States, many of them from California.
"It's a big story," said Nina Delgadillo, spokeswoman for the agency's regional office. "You are talking about the type of firepower nobody wants to come up against."
Get out of jail free: In an effort to save money, California is exploring the idea of releasing thousands of offenders from prison without parole.
Only those convicted of a violent or other serious crime would be kept under watch.
The idea is meant to cope with the $400 million cut that the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation is taking in the new budget.
And although the change is just in the talking stages, it already has district attorneys worried.
"A felon caught with a gun is not considered a 'serious' felony," noted Alameda County District Attorney Tom Orloff.
Corrections department spokesman Gordon Hinkle said, "I don't know where any of these ideas are in terms of becoming reality, but we are looking at how other states handle parole.
"Whatever is decided," Hinkle said, "I'm sure it will also take legislative approval."

Source:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/25/BAEO16M3TM.DTL&type=printable

Bro Jangles
03-26-2009, 01:37 AM
"Assault Rifles" are legal to buy in Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Arizona and Nevada. so how is this a Nevada issue?

Ordie
03-26-2009, 01:39 AM
"Assault Rifles" are legal to buy in Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Arizona and Nevada. so how is this a Nevada issue?

4 hour drive from Oakland on I-80
6 hours from LA on I-15

millertime
03-26-2009, 01:41 AM
4 hour drive from Oakland on I-80
6 hours from LA on I-15

Was the AK he used truly an assault rifle?

Did it have "select fire"?

Or was it just a semi-automatic rifle?

I friggin hate the term assault rifle!

Ordie
03-26-2009, 01:45 AM
I friggin hate the term assault rifle!

Okay

Lets call it a cop killer.

Bro Jangles
03-26-2009, 01:46 AM
4 hour drive from Oakland on I-80
6 hours from LA on I-15
Ok aside from proximity, but strawman purchases, along with transporting "Assault weapons" into Cali is illegal.

How many deaths were there in Nevada with legally purchased Sporting Rifles?

millertime
03-26-2009, 01:50 AM
Okay

Lets call it a cop killer.


How about just calling it a gun.

That's all. No need for a special term... Especially one that is a key term used by the anit-gun lobby.

Or better yet, instead of discussing the gun used in the crime, lets talk about the psycho-**** that used it.

If he had run them over with a Toyota Prius, there wold be no discussion on how deadly the prius is, just how ****ed in the head the driver was.

Bro Jangles
03-26-2009, 01:53 AM
Also the title is wrong, because these guns cant freely flow from Nevada to Cali, the are illegally smuggled.

santana
03-26-2009, 01:59 AM
And how many of this automatic rifles cross the Border with Mexico and land in the hands of the Mexican Drug Cartels???

including many the .50 Barret sniper rifle!!!!

LineDoggie
03-26-2009, 02:10 AM
Okay

Lets call it a cop killer. Lovelle was the Cop Killer, how about we call him that and call the Firearms what it was?

An Illegally purchased Firearm, Illegally smuggled into the hands of a Felon not legally able to Possess a firearm.

Oh by the way, whats wrong with this line:"many them AK-47-type rifles - back to the United States, many of them from California."

wildcat
03-26-2009, 02:34 AM
other than the article is very left biased, what should be pointed out and has been, it is illegal to process(after the 2000 unless registered) or bring in to California these types of firearms, and it is illegal to modify them into full auto.

as for the term assault rifle, well the AK47 is a true assault rifle where the FAL / G3 etc are battle rifles, the AK 47 is smaller. A semi automatic look alike is not an assault rifle being assault rifle by definition means capablie of full auto AND semi auto.

But SFgate story like most of the media like to lump every thing into assult rifles for fear generating on the public, and not reporting the real truth and doing some basic research.

Rest in peace to the Oakland Police Officers, they have a difficult job, and really does not matter where the crooks get there weapons, they will always get them, in other countries which are islands, have very strict gun controlls with 99.9% of the population not owning a firearm the crooks still get them.

Maybe the ROE need to be addressed.

Ordie
03-26-2009, 02:38 AM
My apologies towards my last remark.

I paid a visit to OPD today as a measure of respect. Everyone is in a state of shock and angry about the loss.

wildcat
03-26-2009, 02:42 AM
My apologies towards my last remark.

I paid a visit to OPD today as a measure of respect. Everyone is in a state of shock and angry about the loss.
Truly is very sad, and families will suffer because the garbage that killed those OPD, have no respect for life, or others, they have a real fvck up moral compass. In the end the Innocent will suffer and be punished for these pricks, it always the case, truly sad, my heart feels for the families of those cops.

Laworkerbee
03-26-2009, 03:59 AM
The kind of AK-47 that Mixon used to kill Oakland police officers Saturday can be had on the street for as little as $400.

C'mon, that's not even near where the market is. I call bull****. Then the author claims the majority of those AK's in Mexico came from California, I mean come on!

Linedoggie already picked up on it I see.

MaverickCowboy
03-26-2009, 05:55 AM
why doesnt anyone get on the news and clear the lies?

Angelino
03-26-2009, 06:59 AM
4 hour drive from Oakland on I-80
6 hours from LA on I-15
Actually it takes about 4 hours from LA too (and this is with driving at normal traffic speeds, not driving like a maniac). Take the 10 E to the 15 N and then all the way to Vegas. I've done this route lots of times.

commanding
03-26-2009, 09:35 AM
Was the AK he used truly an assault rifle?

Did it have "select fire"?

Or was it just a semi-automatic rifle?

I friggin hate the term assault rifle!

I agree. I bet you 500 bucks it wasn't a selective fire, fully automatic AK-47. And the 400 dollar figure they quote, I call B.S. also. Even if it was a semi auto modern made import from china, stamped metal, I bet it cost more than 400.
I guarantee it wasn't a real AK-47 as used in Afghanistan, Iraq, and many other countries. YOu just don't walk in and buy those things. YOu have to have a Class III license I believe to buy a fully auto gun of anytype.
Maybe he had a semi auto SKS from china? Friggin press.

Hispeed1
03-26-2009, 11:14 AM
Lovelle was the Cop Killer, how about we call him that and call the Firearms what it was?
An Illegally purchased Firearm, Illegally smuggled into the hands of a Felon not legally able to Possess a firearm.
Oh by the way, whats wrong with this line:"many them AK-47-type rifles - back to the United States, many of them from California."

I see the BS flag was already raised on this one. Ignorant pr1cks! A crap-storm is brewing against legal firearm owners and users.

cone256
03-26-2009, 11:34 AM
Guns kill people like the spoon made rosie odonnell fat!!