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EvanL
06-25-2004, 11:43 AM
STEPHEN THORNE

KABUL (CP) - Canada will reduce it's overseas military deployments to just 1,200 personnel by fall, down from 4,500 a year ago, the chief of defence staff said on a stopover Friday in advance of next week's NATO (news - web sites) summit in Turkey.


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Gen. Ray Henault said deep cuts in troop commitments to its two biggest NATO missions - Afghanistan (news - web sites) and Bosnia - and the withdrawal of naval ships from the Persian Gulf, will give the country's armed forces a much-needed respite.


"It's all with the view to allowing the force to renew itself, to regenerate and be ready for whatever comes next," said Henault, who was visiting Canadian members of the International Security Assistance Force.


"It will put us on a solid footing for future international commitments."


In a wide-ranging interview, Henault said the number of troops in Bosnia is currently down to 650 from 1,250 and will be fewer than 100 observers and surveillance troops supporting a European Union (news - web sites) mission by September.


There will continue to be nominal deployments in Africa, the Middle East and Haiti, where an infantry company will be reduced to a couple of UN staff officers by September.


The biggest immediate change will come in Kabul, where the current contingent of 2,300 infantry and mechanized soldiers - the city's largest foreign troop presence - will be replaced by two successive rotations of about 900 troops, most of them armoured reconnaissance soldiers.


The back-to-back, six-month rotations will mark a big change for the Canadians, who currently have two generals deployed, one of them leading the entire NATO mission in Afghanistan and the other heading its 35-country brigade element.


Canada turns over the reins to Eurocorps in mid-August. But, as the only country making year-long commitments to ISAF, it is widely expected it won't be the last time Canadians lead the multinational security mission.


Henault said he expects Canadian troops to remain in Afghanistan "for years" to come, likely expanding their numbers again in 13-months' time.


Canada's overall role will probably evolve into non-military areas like judicial reconstruction, police training and re-establishing self-sufficient security systems, he said.


Meanwhile, Canadian troops won't necessarily be limited to the capital and neighbouring areas.


They will likely venture beyond in the form of a provincial reconstruction team - a small contingent, with big logistical demands, deployed as a security and training force in smaller cities, probably late next year.


And NATO needs the help. Over the last year, the number of countries participating in ISAF has fluctuated from 34 about a year ago down to 23 and back up to 35. That has confounded efforts to plan expansion of the 6,000-plus ISAF force and expand its mandate outside of the Kabul area.


At the summit, NATO is expecting member countries to pony up support for the Afghan mission while U.S. forces spearhead the battle against Taliban-led rebels whose resurgence could threaten the country with a return to chaos.

Adri
06-25-2004, 12:08 PM
so I gess canada will be the first country without an defence force ?

Black Dots
06-25-2004, 12:20 PM
Huh?

Bombtrack
06-25-2004, 12:27 PM
so I gess canada will be the first country without an defence force ?

There was actually an article put out by one of our universities Defence Studies group, saying that if we stay at the rate of budget cuts and overstretching we've experienced in the past 10-15 years, our fources will devolve into a sort of stay-at-home constabulary. That's why we need to get this government out of power. The study also called for a cessation of all our commitments.

It's a good thing that they are reducing our commitments, because we need the money and personnel at home to really work on our equipment and training, there are shortages around the country because all our kit is sent off around the globe.

It sucks that it has come to this, but it has to be done.

Marsuitor
06-25-2004, 01:00 PM
so I gess canada will be the first country without an defence force ?
Believe Iceland has held that title for some time now. ;)
Probably a fair few more as well...

mack pl
06-25-2004, 01:42 PM
so I gess canada will be the first country without an defence force ?
Believe Iceland has held that title for some time now. ;)
Probably a fair few more as well...
Andorra, Lichteinstein, Kwabongo :lol:

PS. why they wanna reduce those contingents? Money(too expensive) or politic(public opinion) ??

Bombtrack
06-25-2004, 02:09 PM
Definitely not lack of public support. I listed some of the reasons in my other post in this thread.

EvanL
06-25-2004, 02:09 PM
so I gess canada will be the first country without an defence force ?
Believe Iceland has held that title for some time now. ;)
Probably a fair few more as well...
Andorra, Lichteinstein, Kwabongo :lol:

PS. why they wanna reduce those contingents? Money(too expensive) or politic(public opinion) ??
Overworked soldiers.
Our soldiers are some of the hardest working out there. And we have only 65,000 of them. But they play the role as if we have 300,000. Its about time for some well deserved rest.

mack pl
06-25-2004, 02:14 PM
so I gess canada will be the first country without an defence force ?
Believe Iceland has held that title for some time now. ;)
Probably a fair few more as well...
Andorra, Lichteinstein, Kwabongo :lol:

PS. why they wanna reduce those contingents? Money(too expensive) or politic(public opinion) ??
Overworked soldiers.
Our soldiers are some of the hardest working out there. And we have only 65,000 of them. But they play the role as if we have 300,000. Its about time for some well deserved rest.

well, Poland have 150 000, and something about 4 000-4 500 soldiers in Iraq, kosovo, A-stan etc., and the only one reason why we haven't got more soldiers in this opration is fukin money. Well, we cannot sent more troops, coz our military budget isn't high(3,5 bilion USD or something).

Regards Jan Szary ;) :lol:

East
06-25-2004, 02:39 PM
dammit!! now I might not be able to go overseas. I just joined the reserves and was hoping to take all the courses I could get so I could go overseas as the earliest oppourtunity for more expirience.

Germaine
06-25-2004, 03:00 PM
dammit!! now I might not be able to go overseas. I just joined the reserves and was hoping to take all the courses I could get so I could go overseas as the earliest oppourtunity for more expirience. How do you think the REG force feels....Especially when Res takes their place. (and we do this for a living not part-time)

East
06-25-2004, 10:18 PM
worse I bet. I'll learn soon enough, I plan to go reg within a year.

btw, what unit are you from?

Germaine
06-25-2004, 10:47 PM
PPCLI

usa320
06-25-2004, 11:38 PM
Its a shame what the politicians have done to the Canadian military.

especially the Avro Arrow... even as an American i have great respect for the people that designed, built and flew that great machine.

memphiz
06-25-2004, 11:42 PM
PPCLI
You in Edmonton?
If you dont mind my asking

Spearin
06-26-2004, 03:05 PM
This is why I want to join the British Army. So I can do my job as a soldier.

East
06-26-2004, 05:21 PM
right on Germaine, my dad was PPCLI too, and I hope to be in not to distant future.

East
06-26-2004, 05:21 PM
right on Germaine, my dad was PPCLI too, and I hope to be in not to distant future.

Mongrel
06-26-2004, 08:57 PM
My Father in Law is Ex-PPCLI, Airborne/pathfinder...old school cold war stuff. Over 70 and he still runs everyday, does more sit-up, and push ups then I can do. Cool guy, lots of good stories.

Yah our forces need to get a much needed rest.
I also hope we get a more supportive government this time around.

Cheers!
M.

Yard Ape
06-27-2004, 01:01 AM
why they wanna reduce those contingents? Money(too expensive) or politic(public opinion) ??

The Bosnia reductions have been planned for a while now. We have been in Bosnia since the begining. Things are much cooler now, and the need for a military presence is less. It makes this a good time for us to cut out & leave things to the Europeans. We will leave a few in staff or observer positions, but the contingent is done.

Our Brigade commitment in Afghanistan was only made for a year and our government only recently decided to keep a smaller presence in the country beyond that (we could have left nothing). I think we can (& should) hold on to the brigade commitment for at least another 6 months (but I've already posted that argument).


The biggest immediate change will come in Kabul, where the current contingent of 2,300 infantry and mechanized soldiers - the city's largest foreign troop presence - will be replaced by two successive rotations of about 900 troops, most of them armoured reconnaissance soldiers. This is not true. The armoured recce will be the center piece of the mission, but they will not make up the majority. The majority will actually be the troops that we have sent to support the recce sqn (Infantry, Engineers, Logistics, and Comms)


UN raps Canada for troop reduction in Afghanistan (http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=690a1dad-6ac8-441a-aafc-6a636ac07cd7)

CanWest News Service
Saturday, June 26, 2004

UNITED NATIONS - Canada's planned troop withdrawal from Afghanistan came under fire Friday as UN Secretary General Kofi Annan and Afghan President Hamid Karzai said NATO countries should be stepping up their presence, not pulling out, as deteriorating security threatens to derail September elections. The UN and the Afghan government have said at least 5,000 more troops are needed to avoid a catastrophe in what is being billed as Afghanistan's first free ballot, but Canada will cut its 2,000-strong force in Kabul by almost two-thirds one month before the vote. "We do not have enough troops on the ground," Annan said.

© The Edmonton Journal 2004 (http://www.canada.com/edmonton/edmontonjournal/news/headlinescan.html)

ZeroPositive
06-27-2004, 01:09 AM
Sad to hear the Canadian Government wants to butcher such a great Military.... I think Canadian Gear is some of the best in the world if in theory they get everything...

memphiz
06-27-2004, 01:35 AM
My Father in Law is Ex-PPCLI, Airborne/pathfinder...old school cold war stuff. Over 70 and he still runs everyday, does more sit-up, and push ups then I can do. Cool guy, lots of good stories.

Yah our forces need to get a much needed rest.
I also hope we get a more supportive government this time around.

Cheers!
M.
Was he in the Korean war?



right on Germaine, my dad was PPCLI too, and I hope to be in not to distant future.
I hope to join the PPCLI too, I live by the base in Edmonton

ArmedPacifist
06-27-2004, 01:52 AM
half of my family is in the PPCLI, but I don't feel like living out west so I serve in a unit close to where I live.

Oddly enough I was BORN in Alberta rofl

Mongrel
06-27-2004, 02:15 AM
"Was he in the Korean war?"

I think he was posted elsewhere at the time..prob' Europe/W.Germany.
He knows many that were in Korea, and regretted not getting to go.

Cheers!
M.