BushCheney'04 Official Site- wierd ad

[Cactuar]

Has anybody looked at their latest ad on their site? Counterproductive if you ask me.

http://www.georgewbush.com/

Sorry if someone already posted something about this.

[American Patriot]

That's an awesome ad. It really shows how crazy the Libs are.

[SpazzMunky]

Uhhh....Are the people who run Bush's website really stupid enough to put that on there?

Many people aren't to happy with the administration as it is....
Shouldn't they be running positive ads about Bush, instead of trying to smear the opposition?

[chauncy republicans]

Shouldn't they be running positive ads about Bush, instead of trying to smear the opposition?
They cant, Bush has'nt really did anything positive.

[Cactuar]

Well even though I'm a lib (I lean libertarian, not liberal :p), and I'm pretty much iffy on Iraq, I have to appreciate Al Gore's fervor on the subject.

[Cactuar]

That's an awesome ad. It really shows how crazy the Libs are.

Well even though I'm a lib (I lean libertarian, not liberal :p), and I'm pretty much iffy on Iraq, I have to appreciate Al Gore's fervor on the subject.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Shouldn't they be running positive ads about Bush, instead of trying to smear the opposition?
They cant, Bush has'nt really did anything positive.
You mean besides rescuing the economy after Clinton, doing something against the Islamofascists, and lowering taxes? :roll:

[Trigger]

Shouldn't they be running positive ads about Bush, instead of trying to smear the opposition?
They cant, Bush has'nt really did anything positive.
You mean besides rescuing the economy after Clinton, doing something against the Islamofascists, and lowering taxes? :roll:
No silly, he means important stuff like growing a new species of moss and rescuing spotted owls from evil loggers while sparks fly from the zipper of his superhero costume made of girls' panties...

[UkrainianAmerican]

Shouldn't they be running positive ads about Bush, instead of trying to smear the opposition?
They cant, Bush has'nt really did anything positive.
You mean besides rescuing the economy after Clinton, doing something against the Islamofascists, and lowering taxes? :roll:
No silly, he means important stuff like growing a new species of moss and rescuing spotted owls from evil loggers while sparks fly from the zipper of his superhero costume made of girls' panties...
O, my bad.

[Black Dots]

You mean besides rescuing the economy after Clinton, doing something against the Islamofascists, and lowering taxes?

You forgot to mention spending billions of dollars and hundreds of American lives turning an unjustified war into an unwinnable quagmire.

[Trigger]

You mean besides rescuing the economy after Clinton, doing something against the Islamofascists, and lowering taxes?

You forgot to mention spending billions of dollars and hundreds of American lives turning an unjustified war into an unwinnable quagmire.
Oh, look. The record is stuck again... :roll:

[Deuterium]

You mean besides rescuing the economy after Clinton, doing something against the Islamofascists, and lowering taxes?

You forgot to mention spending billions of dollars and hundreds of American lives turning an unjustified war into an unwinnable quagmire.

Unwinnable? The last time I looked Saddam is in jail, a new FREE, government is standing up, ELECTIONS are scheduled, and the average Iraqi has freedoms that they only dreamed of during the bloody reign of Saddam. Unwinnable, yeah your right, let's release Saddam.

[Tane Angle]

My computer's not letting me watch it, but I prefer positive "I did this" ads instead of negative "they did that" ones. I don't care what the guy who hasn't been President has done his last Presidential term nearly as much as I care about what the incumbent has.

Having said that, I think that I have to agree with Deuterium here in regards to the words quagmire and unwinnable. Iraq is neither a quagmire nor unwinnable. Was it the right thing to do? I think so. Was it the correct course of action? That I do not know. I was sworn to protect the US against all enemies, not to protect Iraqis, as much as I hate to admit it sometimes. And again, as much as I hate to admit it, we can't do everything, we can't right every wrong and cure very ill. It'd be a beautiful thing if we could, but sadly we can not. Doing the right thing isn't always the correct thing to do, sadly. There are some harsh realities in this world and life, and much to my chagrin, these are some of them.

But returning to the words quagmire and unwinnable, I think those might be a bit premature and overly strong. We'll know many years down the road, but one can only know if something is unwinnable until it after the fact, after one has failed to win it, no? Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[obd]

Wow, Im beginning to think Bush isnt the only MORON in his administration......I heard about this add......it really is quite funny....I mean is that the best they can do??? Seriously that is pretty damn sad.......I mean what it basically sais is this:

"Bush has been the greatest disaster to American prestige and confidence since Vietnam....in fact we are in such a bad position because of George W. Bush that it would be stupid to switch now because only Bush can remain calm and resolutely take us down the path to our own destruction.......so please dont rock the boat: Vote Bush"

The reason 70% of Europeans polled think we are the greatest threat to world security, the reason our economy is in shambles, the reason North Korea is allowed to threaten us with "nuclear annihilation" and our leadership DOES NOTHING WHILE WE INVADE A COUNTRY THAT DIDNT HAVE NUKES IN THE FIRST PLACE, the reason millions of Americans are out of work, the reason we now have the largest defecit in history, the reason several environmental protective laws are now not even enforced, the reason the federal government now has the rights in place to invade our privacy, the reason over 800 young men are dead invading a country that didnt attack us, the reason the third largest contributor of forces in Iraq are "guns for hire" etc etc etc is GEORGE W. BUSH..........

Until George W.Bush, I didnt think any one man, even the worst most moronic and most incompetant leader in history, could bring such a great nation that I love so low......But now I understand and now I know that even America is subject to the lessons of history: Weak and incompetant leadership can destroy even the greatest of nations and turn the world against it in a matter of a few short years......I shudder to think what will happen to my beloved America if George Jr. gets another four years to destroy it......

Bush took one of the greatest outpoorings of sympathy from all over the world after 9/11 and in less than 4 short years he turned international feelings against us to the point that even the majority of the British people do not support us...and Tony Blair risks losing his job.....I mean, EVEN THE BRITISH PEOPLE HATE GEORGE W. BUSH...........WAKE UP FOR GODS SAKE AMERICA BEFORE BUSH MAKES US THE NEXT SOVIET UNION WHERE ALL TURN AGAINST US AND DESPISE US AND SEE US AS IMPERIALIST WARMONGERERS!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, we didnt elect that illegitimate leader Bush the first time so lets make sure he goes back to Texas in this election so we can show the world that Americans are more than just ignorant Bible thumpers.........

[nerdman]

the reason our economy is in shambles

Aside from the whole Iraq war thing... a sitting POTUS has very little impact on the current economy. His effects are felt after he's gone. Pretty much any person who has taken a college level macroeconomics course will tell you that. In the end, economies have their highs and lows... we were due for a low after the 90's... but generally move in an upward direction. A President’s policies are small speed bumps in the upward trend.

[American Patriot]

nice rant obd. did you forget to take your meds or what?

[nerdman]

P.S. If and when Kerry gets elected... and he takes credit for the improving economy after say a year... he will be full of sh*t. Just like Bush is full of sh*t for saying his tax cuts are making the economy turn around.

[RavenW]

Ad or not ad, I'm voting for Commander-in-Chief.

На переправе коней не меняют!
("Horses should not be changed during river crossing!")

I would vote for somebody else, but what is the alternative? Kerry? :roll: This PLO-lover sucker Nader? rofl

I feel the absence of true leaders like Sir Winston Churchill and Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Man, I miss old good days.

In G-d We Trust!

[usa320]

Im voting for bush as well.

Kerry can go have a sixsome with Secret Squirrel, Obd, Michael Moore, Al Gore and Hanoi Jane.

[RavenW]

Im voting for bush as well.

Kerry can go have a sixsome with Secret Squirrel, Obd, Michael Moore, Al Gore and Hanoi Jane.

don't forget ariwiener and weedman ;)

[obd]

No, I didnt forget my meds......but I did forget my stupid pills........Go ahead and vote for George W. Bush and lap up his lies one after another.......and when his 4 year term is up and the United States is in even deeper **** than we are now.....then we will talk again.......

Oh yeah, and "other than war" a sitting president has little effect on the economy........Yeah I would agree, its just that our sitting president has done EXACTLY THAT: get us into a wastefull war where we are currently spending billions of dollars of our treasure, getting hundreds of our finest men and women killed and thousands horribly wounded, and to top it off we are giving ourselves a bad name around the world which will be felt for generations to come.............

The Soviet Union used to be the "evil empire" to most of the rest of the world.....Now we are......wake up call people.....STOP BEING STUPID SHEEP AND VOTING FOR THE BIGGEST LIAR ON EARTH!!!!!

[Fintin]

No, I didnt forget my meds......but I did forget my stupid pills........Go ahead and vote for George W. Bush and lap up his lies one after another.......and when his 4 year term is up and the United States is in even deeper **** than we are now.....then we will talk again.......

Oh yeah, and "other than war" a sitting president has little effect on the economy........Yeah I would agree, its just that our sitting president has done EXACTLY THAT: get us into a wastefull war where we are currently spending billions of dollars of our treasure, getting hundreds of our finest men and women killed and thousands horribly wounded, and to top it off we are giving ourselves a bad name around the world which will be felt for generations to come.............

The Soviet Union used to be the "evil empire" to most of the rest of the world.....Now we are......wake up call people.....STOP BEING STUPID SHEEP AND VOTING FOR THE BIGGEST LIAR ON EARTH!!!!!

i **** in your general direction...good night

[NcDeuce]

STOP BEING STUPID SHEEP AND VOTING FOR THE BIGGEST LIAR ON EARTH!!!!!

http://www.screamingpickle.com/fromweb/clinton/bill-clinton.jpg

Didn't know he was running rofl


get us into a wastefull war where we are currently spending billions of dollars of our treasure

You mean the treasure buried underneath the White House? Crikey!

[RavenW]

The Soviet Union used to be the "evil empire" to most of the rest of the world.....Now we are......wake up call people.....STOP BEING STUPID SHEEP AND VOTING FOR THE BIGGEST LIAR ON EARTH!!!!!

This kind of rhetoric is preciseley why I would vote for Bush.

At least his crowd is honest about their goals.

[obd]

Are you kidding me Raven??!!??!?!?! Bush is the biggest liar on earth with regard to his goals.........Thats what amazes me about people like you.....How could you be so damn blind about Bush?? The only way I can explain it is that you must either just be blind or so much of a bible thumper than anybody even claiming to be a "born again" gets your vote......WAKE UP!!!

Just ask yourself this: Why is it that over 50% of America and most of the rest of the world disagree with Bush's policy and label him the "great divider (contrary to his self labeled "great unifier).....yet you vote for him??? It just doesnt add up...Maybe its because you and the 46% of people in America like you are the only ones who watch Fox News regularly LMAO.....

[obd]

Oh waite, didnt notice your avatar of Israeli soldiers........Now I understand why you vote for Bush...........

[chauncy republicans]

What cracks me up is that Bush supporters claim to be the patriotic by standing by there commander in cheif, but yet they allow him to incarcerate American citizens without right to due process. So much for the "American freedoms" these so-called patriots claim to support.

[Tane Angle]

About this great divider thing...I, for one, think that we should bring back the practice of giving leaders titles that have "the" in them. Obviously "George the Great Divider" is one that has already mentioned, as has "Bill the Great Liar." p-) Just trying to keep things light. :D

[RavenW]

Oh waite, didnt notice your avatar of Israeli soldiers........Now I understand why you vote for Bush...........

:lol: oh wait... a Jew!... :lol:





man, that's sad. We are precisely at 1938... :(

[American Patriot]

It's John Kerry to the rescue! He will limit government and make sure the Constitution is adhered to!

That's a very weak argument IMO. If it wasn't for the Patriot Act you could be dead right now. The Islamist terrorists take advantage of our freedoms.

Bush has shown that he supports and respects the entire Constitution. The Liberals pick and choose parts which fit in with their agenda.

[chauncy republicans]

It's John Kerry to the rescue! He will limit government and make sure the Constitution is adhered to!

That's a very weak argument IMO. If it wasn't for the Patriot Act you could be dead right now. The Islamist terrorists take advantage of our freedoms.

Bush has shown that he supports and respects the entire Constitution. The Liberals pick and choose parts which fit in with their agenda.
First of all...I dont like John Kerry at all, you little prick! Second of all...where has Bush shown he suppoerts and respects the constitution?? Last I knew he was trying to manipulate it for all his bible-banging homophobic 700 club buddies!
As for your comment on the "Patriot Act", it reminds me of a well known cold war saying: "better red than dead". I dont know about you, but I would rather die in a free nation, than live in a police-state.
Though I quess theres bound to be people that don't appreciate what the the founders of our nation struggled and died for. I still don't understand it though... funny how you call yourself "American Patriot". :cantbeli:

[101st__and_1/2]

its called clear and present danger jack ass. determined by the supreme court case shenk v. united states. a persons civil liberities can be revoked, it it becomes aparent that a clear and present danger exists in that persons actions. ALSO a later rule was determined called the PROBABLE CAUSE rule. with probably cause the governement (according to the supreme courts interpritation of the constitution, so no jackass its not bush, bush was in pampers when this was made) can revoke civil liberities. before you **** on our president, know our the governemnt that he works through, and figure out just what your actual rights are.

[NcDeuce]

It's John Kerry to the rescue! He will limit government and make sure the Constitution is adhered to!

That's a very weak argument IMO. If it wasn't for the Patriot Act you could be dead right now. The Islamist terrorists take advantage of our freedoms.

Bush has shown that he supports and respects the entire Constitution. The Liberals pick and choose parts which fit in with their agenda.
First of all...I dont like John Kerry at all, you little prick! Second of all...where has Bush shown he suppoerts and respects the constitution?? Last I knew he was trying to manipulate it for all his bible-banging homophobic 700 club buddies!
As for your comment on the "Patriot Act", it reminds me of a well known cold war saying: "better red than dead". I dont know about you, but I would rather die in a free nation, than live in a police-state.
Though I quess theres bound to be people that don't appreciate what the the founders of our nation struggled and died for. I still don't understand it though... funny how you call yourself "American Patriot". :cantbeli:

Who the hell are you to judge one's patriotism? I doubt you are up at 0500 doing PT. Hey, but you know everything, you've been there, seen it, done it, right? Get a life.

[chauncy republicans]

its called clear and present danger jack ass. determined by the supreme court case shenk v. united states. a persons civil liberities can be revoked, it it becomes aparent that a clear and present danger exists in that persons actions.
When has it been [/i]aparent that a clear and preasent danger exists with Jose Padilla?? JACKASS There has been no "clear and preasent" danger outlined to the public, if there was a "clear and present danger" I doubt it would be very hard to prove, so why does'nt the administaration present this "clear and present danger" to the public??
If John Walker Lindh can be allowed a fair trial, why not Padilla??JACKASS.

[mocking_loudly_died]

Vote Carter...wait what year is this?

[RavenW]

Vote Carter...wait what year is this?

:lol: rofl

[chauncy republicans]

It's John Kerry to the rescue! He will limit government and make sure the Constitution is adhered to!

That's a very weak argument IMO. If it wasn't for the Patriot Act you could be dead right now. The Islamist terrorists take advantage of our freedoms.

Bush has shown that he supports and respects the entire Constitution. The Liberals pick and choose parts which fit in with their agenda.
First of all...I dont like John Kerry at all, you little prick! Second of all...where has Bush shown he suppoerts and respects the constitution?? Last I knew he was trying to manipulate it for all his bible-banging homophobic 700 club buddies!
As for your comment on the "Patriot Act", it reminds me of a well known cold war saying: "better red than dead". I dont know about you, but I would rather die in a free nation, than live in a police-state.
Though I quess theres bound to be people that don't appreciate what the the founders of our nation struggled and died for. I still don't understand it though... funny how you call yourself "American Patriot". :cantbeli:

Who the hell are you to judge one's patriotism? I doubt you are up at 0500 doing PT. Hey, but you know everything, you've been there, seen it, done it, right? Get a life.
I see, your left without an argument again duece. :lol: All you can do is try to smear my image, typical tactic of a Bush supporter.

[101st__and_1/2]

its called clear and present danger jack ass. determined by the supreme court case shenk v. united states. a persons civil liberities can be revoked, it it becomes aparent that a clear and present danger exists in that persons actions.
When has it been [/i]aparent that a clear and preasent danger exists with Jose Padilla?? JACKASS There has been no "clear and preasent" danger outlined to the public, if there was a "clear and present danger" I doubt it would be very hard to prove, so why does'nt the administaration present this "clear and present danger" to the public??
If John Walker Lindh can be allowed a fair trial, why not Padilla??JACKASS.

Dude, i mean Jackass, all i'm sayin is study our constitution before you say you know what your rights are. When you assume, you just make an ass out of yourself. Most the people in the country don't know **** about what makes our governement work. ( and yes, it does work) face it there are people out there who want us dead, they made that apparent on 9/11. Any one apart of that group of people who wants us dead, or MAY BE apart of that group of people, should be detained, if not for the saftey of every one around.

p.s. jackass, cough cough

[Russian Texan]

Bush is an idiot by birth...
Kerry is a shifty politician...

This country needs a man like FDR or at least Ross Perot.

I do think that Bush will win one way or the other just like in 2000...

[jlanni]

hey chauncy you wana know they clear and present danger with jose padilla? here ya be... the punk plotted to set off a dirty bomb, and was also associated with al-Queda.. i dont know about you but i shure as hell dont want him wandering around my neighborhood... so theres your clear and present danger

[chauncy republicans]

hey chauncy you wana know they clear and present danger with jose padilla? here ya be... the punk plotted to set off a dirty bomb, and was also associated with al-Queda.. i dont know about you but i shure as hell dont want him wandering around my neighborhood... so theres your clear and present danger
You little dip-****, how do you know what he plotted to do? How do you know he was linked to Al-qaida?? There has not been anyway to prove any of this, due to Bush and his super-secret club house.
I see you put a lot of blind faith into what the Govornment says...

[BlackRain]

The reason 70% of Europeans polled think we are the greatest threat to world security... the reason millions of Americans are out of work, the reason we now have the largest defecit in history,... the reason over 800 young men are dead invading a country that didnt attack us, the reason the third largest contributor of forces in Iraq are "guns for hire" etc etc etc is GEORGE W. BUSH..........

Until George W.Bush, I didnt think any one man, even the worst most moronic and most incompetant leader in history, could bring such a great nation that I love so low

Well, we didnt elect that illegitimate leader Bush the first time so lets make sure he goes back to Texas in this election so we can show the world that Americans are more than just ignorant Bible thumpers.........

Your post is factually wrong on many accounts and displays hatred toward Chrisitians and the president of the USA. Your views are very similiar to how the terrorist view the USA and our president. Striking coincidence?


Millions unemployed? False. Interestingly, the number of Americans in the workforce has now reached a record-shattering 138.5 million, the most ever in the history of the U.S. Actually, the 5.6 unemployment rate is lower than the 7.3 percent average in the 1980s and the 5.8 percent average in the 1990s. The current unemployment rate is nearly identical to what former President Bill Clinton had when he ran for reelection in 1996. Unemployment stood at 5.5 percent in February 1996.

Biggest Deficit in History? False. Kerry said Feb. 26 that Bush’s budget deficit is “the largest in history.” But by the most important measure that’s not quite true. This year the deficit is projected to be in the neighborhood of half a trillion dollars, a record. That’s 4.5% of the entire economy. The biggest deficits by far -- measured as a percentage of the economy -- came during World War II. In 1943 the deficit was $54.3 billion -- which today would amount to little more than rounding error. But back then it amounted to more than 30% of the wartime economy. Nothing since the war years has come close.

Iraq did not attack us? False. I don't know who "you" are but Iraq did attack the US. Iraq attacked Kuwait. Tortured US POW's in GW1 and every US female serviceman POW was ******ly assualted by Iraqi's. Did you forget the USS Stark? How about violation 16 or so UN Resolutions. Saddam also violated the Cease Fire agreement at the end of the GW1. Saddam actively tried to shoot down US/Brit warplanes patroling the UN No Fly zones protecting Kurds and Shia civilians.

As far as the moronic leader comment goes... Did you finish high school yet? Did you go to Yale? Did you fly fighters for the USA? Did you get elected govenor of one of the largest states in the USA and get elected president of the USA. A moron could not accomplish those tasks and it is tres facile to make that assertion. It displays you do not have facts to buttress your arguments but rely on school yard insults.

Very sad.

[chauncy republicans]

its called clear and present danger jack ass. determined by the supreme court case shenk v. united states. a persons civil liberities can be revoked, it it becomes aparent that a clear and present danger exists in that persons actions.
When has it been [/i]aparent that a clear and preasent danger exists with Jose Padilla?? JACKASS There has been no "clear and preasent" danger outlined to the public, if there was a "clear and present danger" I doubt it would be very hard to prove, so why does'nt the administaration present this "clear and present danger" to the public??
If John Walker Lindh can be allowed a fair trial, why not Padilla??JACKASS.

Dude, i mean Jackass, all i'm sayin is study our constitution before you say you know what your rights are. When you assume, you just make an ass out of yourself. Most the people in the country don't know **** about what makes our governement work. ( and yes, it does work) face it there are people out there who want us dead, they made that apparent on 9/11. Any one apart of that group of people who wants us dead, or MAY BE apart of that group of people, should be detained, if not for the saftey of every one around.

p.s. jackass, cough cough
Yes, I know how the Govornment works, our constitution can even be suspended indefinately, so just because Bush has the power means it's right to invoke? There has been no proof at all about Padilla's link to Islamic Terrorism, sure the administration does'nt need it,(lawfully) but does it make it right? Bush does a great dis-service to our country when he blatantly abuses his executive privelages. He has the nerve to say we need to protect freedom from people like UBL, then turn around and use a supreme-court ruling to lock a young-man in a naval brig for allegations that have yet to be proven. So while Bush is at it (and since you believe it's o.k. to abuse executive-privelage in this matter) why doesnt he just suspend the whole entire constitution? After all...he has the power, and we are in a state of "clear and present danger".

[chauncy republicans]

Millions unemployed? False. Interestingly, the number of Americans in the workforce has now reached a record-shattering 138.5 million, the most ever in the history of the U.S. Actually, the 5.6 unemployment rate is lower than the 7.3 percent average in the 1980s and the 5.8 percent average in the 1990s. The current unemployment rate is nearly identical to what former President Bill Clinton had when he ran for reelection in 1996. Unemployment stood at 5.5 percent in February 1996.
You suprise me with your gross display of ignorance.

[BlackRain]

You suprise me with your gross display of ignorance.

Prove me wrong with facts!

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/UNRATE_Max.png

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/CE16OV_Max.png

Cite some US Bureau of Labor Stats that refute my statements about unemployment.

The sky is not falling as per the propoganda many of you spew forth.

On 02/07/2004 the US government reported the GDP rose at a 6.1 percent in the second half of 2003, the fastest pace in nearly 20 years. Inflation remains low, and our nation's home ownership rate just reached an all-time high. For the first time in our history, more than half of minority households own their own homes.

How could this be attained in such a poor economy?


US Citizens Better Off Financially Under Bush
In addition, inflation-adjusted disposable personal income has jumped by 4.4 percent over the past four quarters, a rate of increase more than double the 2.1 percent achieved during the comparable four-quarter period in the first Clinton-Gore term. This is not just a recent development. Through the first 13 quarters of Bush-Cheney, real disposable personal income, which takes into consideration the Bush tax cuts, has climbed more than 10 percent, while it grew by less than 7 percent during the first 13 quarters of Clinton-Gore.

[BlackRain]

Bankers: U.S. economy looking good
By Dar Haddix
UPI Business Correspondent
Published 6/24/2004 12:17 PM


WASHINGTON, June 23 (UPI) -- Economists at the American Bankers Association projected strong economic growth at their twice-yearly meeting Wednesday, barring unpredictable geopolitical risks such as higher oil prices and China's struggle to cool off its red-hot economy, as well as some risk of housing prices overheating in some regions of the country.

The future holds mild inflation and moderate interest rate hikes for the U.S. economy, the ABA's Economic Advisory Committee said. Moderate wage gains and continuing productivity advances as well as stabilizing commodity prices will help stem inflation. The EAC predicts the underlying inflation rate will stabilize around 2 percent.

While consumers have seen mortgage rates bottom out for the year, they are expected to rise only slightly for the rest of 2004, ending up in the range of 6.5 percent to 7 percent, the committee said.

U.S. gross domestic product is expected to grow at an annual rate of just under 4.5 percent for the rest of 2004, and almost 4 percent during 2005. And unemployment is expected to drop only slightly -- to 5.4 percent from its current rate of 5.6 percent -- by the end of 2004, but should drop to 5 percent by the end of next year.

"Moderate inflation should allow the Fed to pursue a strategy of gradually raising rates for the balance of the year," said Lynn Reaser, EAC chairwoman, chief economist and managing director of Banc of America Capital Management in St. Louis. "The Fed's commitment to stable prices should help keep long-term interest rates at historically low levels by curbing inflationary expectations." Interest rates are currently at a 40-plus-year low of 1 percent.

The EAC said the economy is set to weather the expected rate increases, with projected monthly job gains averaging 250,000 or more for the rest of 2004. The economy added nearly a quarter-million jobs in May, and has added almost 1 million jobs in the past three months.

"Increased spending by the business sector has now joined consumer spending," Reaser said. "The economic expansion now appears to have staying power and we expect job growth to remain strong.

The Federal Reserve will likely raise rates by 25 basis points at the June meeting to stop inflation from rising, the EAC said. Higher inflation could pose a threat to ongoing economic growth. The Fed is likely to raise rates to 1.5 percent in September, and to 2 percent in December, the EAC said.

The Fed's rate increase means that borrowing rates for consumers and small businesses are likely to rise gradually, while those with CDs and other investments will gain from the higher interest rates.

The interest rate rise should help cool off overheated housing markets, Reaser said. "The rise in interest rates should cause a cooling of the housing market with a small decline in sales and the rate of new building activity and construction. Home prices are also likely to see a slower rate of appreciation, but rising employment should ensure an orderly slowdown in the housing industry."

However, ongoing demand for homes should persist even in the face of rising interest rates, insuring against any collapse of the housing market, according to a study released June 7 by the Joint Center for Housing Studies at Harvard University. The study predicted that housing prices would continue to go up despite rising interest rates, reflecting a continued demand for housing fueled by the increasing number of women and immigrants that are buying homes, the study said.

Consumer and business credit quality and availability should also improve, with fewer delinquencies, according to EAC. Consumer charge-offs are expected to decline slightly to 2.8 percent in 2004, down from 2.9 percent last year. Consumer delinquencies are also expected to fall to 3 percent this year, down from 3.3 percent in 2003.

Commercial and industrial charge-offs are expected to drop to 1 percent, down from 1.2 percent in 2003; delinquencies should decrease to 3 percent from 3.3 percent.

[chauncy republicans]

And today's unemployment rate could be much higher -- if the 4.7 million people who want a job but have given up looking all started looking for work again, thus rejoining the labor force, the unemployment rate would skyrocket to 9.1 percent.

CNN money

[Seoulstriker]

Nice job, BlackRain. :D

[BlackRain]

Nice try, but CNN Money is not the Bureau of Labor Stats by which all president's economic policies are measured.

But since you brought up CNN Money, here are some recent stories:



Strong jobs growth could trim profits: With nearly 1 million jobs added in last 3 months and wages rising, profit growth may cool.
June 4, 2004: 12:39 PM EDT
By Chris Isidore, CNN/Money senior writer



NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Employers are adding jobs at the fastest pace in four years, a government report showed Friday, which is great for workers but could worry investors if it slows recent white-hot gains in corporate earnings.

Friday's Labor Department report showed an increase of 248,000 jobs outside the farm sector in May, compared with a revised gain of 346,000 for April. Economists surveyed by Briefing.com forecast the May report would show a 225,000-job gain.

The unemployment rate held steady at 5.6 percent, in line with economists' forecasts.

And the strength in the job market is starting to be seen in workers' paychecks.

For the second straight month average hourly wages rose 0.3 percent, last month to $15.64.

April job growth was revised up from a previous reading of 288,000 new jobs. The department also revised the number of jobs created in March, to 353,000 from a previous reading of 337,000.

That means the economy created 947,000 jobs the past three months, the best since 1.03 million jobs were added during the same three months of 2000, when the U.S. jobs market was the strongest in recent memory.





Consumer confidence on the rise: Citing perceived better job prospects and falling gas prices, already high levels climb even higher.
June 25, 2004: 12:01 PM EDT

NEW YORK (*******) - U.S. consumer sentiment rose in June, with some feeling the economy is back on track after several years of stumbling, according to a survey on Friday.

The University of Michigan's final survey of consumer confidence for June showed its sentiment index rose to 95.6 from a reading of 90.2 in May, according to sources who saw the subscription-only report.

Economists polled by ******* had forecast a rise to 95.5 with increased optimism due to an improved employment picture, a generally healthy economy and a moderate decrease in lofty gasoline prices.

The expectations index rose to 88.5 in June from 81.6 in May, most likely in line with the pickup in the jobs market over the past few months.

The current conditions component rose to 106.7 from 103.6.



Economic indicators post solid gain: Conference Board says its index rose 0.5 percent in May, coming in a shade above forecasts.
June 17, 2004: 10:17 AM EDT

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - A gauge meant to forecast the economy's direction in the next several months rose at a solid clip in May, a research group said Thursday.

The Conference Board said its index of leading indictors rose 0.5 percent to 116.5 last month after rising in each of the last two months.

Economists on average had forecast an increase of 0.4 percent for May, according to a survey by Briefing.com.

Eight of the ten indicators that make up the leading index increased in May, the business research group said.

The biggest positive contributors were increases in weekly manufacturing hours and real money supply.

The negative factors were consumer expectations and stock prices




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[chauncy republicans]

I never said the economy wasnt getting better. :cantbeli: Just how many people are out of work right now anyway?
Typical of a Bush supporter to act like the economic drop during the first years of his administration never happenend.

[budanski]

Let me give ole chauncy republicans a hand... ;)

http://data.bls.gov/labjava/servlets/graphics/generated_graphs/lns14000000_51281_1088350370508.gif
Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics, Current Population Survey (http://data.bls.gov/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=LN_cpsbref3)


http://www.savefile.com/users/uploads/chart.jpg
Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics, Current Population Survey (http://data.bls.gov/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=LN_cpsbref3)

As BlackRain has pointed out that the current unemployment rate is within .02 percent of where it was in March 1996! Hmm, wonder if we were hearing all this fearmongering and hysteria about Jobs in our "Objective News Media" and useful idiots ala 'chauncy republicans' in 1996?

[chauncy republicans]

Did you two know that those figures only represents people presently drawing un-employment? :cantbeli:
What about those whos benefits have expired?

[BlackRain]

Bush

The number of unemployed persons was essentially unchanged at 8.2 million in May 2004, and the unemployment rate held at 5.6 percent.

Total employment was 138.8 million in May 2004, and the employment-population ratio--the proportion of the population age 16 and over with jobs--remained at 62.2 percent.

Employment Level
http://data.bls.gov/labjava/servlets/graphics/generated_graphs/LNS12000000_52647_1088351618292.gif

More Americans are employed now than during the Clinton Administration

Clinton

[chauncy republicans]

More Americans are employed now than during the Clinton Administration
So is Bush's economy stronger than the Clinton economy?

[tacticalmanta]

More Americans are employed now than during the Clinton Administration
So is Bush's economy stronger than the Clinton economy or not?

Clinton didn't have an economy. He rode the benefits of Bush '41's policies. However, Clinton had no policies of his own, which started the recession that began, as a point of fact, during his last year in office.

[OB Kenobi]

Bush

Employment Level
http://data.bls.gov/labjava/servlets/graphics/generated_graphs/LNS12000000_52647_1088351618292.gif

More Americans are employed now than during the Clinton Administration

Clinton

Let's also take a look at how Bu$h measures these so-called "employed" people:


The April and May employment figures indicate that more than 532,000 jobs were created, when one factors in March it brings the total new jobs to nearly 1 million. Of the

280,000 jobs created in April, more than half were in part-time and temporary work that offered no health benefits.

The May job figures show a similar trend. Even more striking is the fact that, while the administration talks about economic growth and jobs created, unemployment remains unchanged at 5.6 percent.

There are more people unable to find work than four years ago. One of the major reasons for unemployment stagnation during the April/May period is that more than 1 million individuals were removed from the unemployment rolls. These individuals have been removed not because they have found work, but rather they have exhausted the amount of time the government considers them to be "unemployed."

http://www.timesstar.com/Stories/0,1413,125~1511~2238385,00.html

Bu$h and his kind want slaves, not citizen workers with rights and benefits. Outsourcing, illegal aliens, temp jobs, and a phony tax cut that only helps the rich, it's pretty obvious what Bu$h is all about.

[chauncy republicans]

One of the major reasons for unemployment stagnation during the April/May period is that more than 1 million individuals were removed from the unemployment rolls. These individuals have been removed not because they have found work, but rather they have exhausted the amount of time the government considers them to be "unemployed."
I,m glad Kenobi adressed this issue, since blackrain and budanski either could'nt or would'nt.

[chauncy republicans]

Did you two know that those figures only represents people presently drawing un-employment? :cantbeli:
What about those whos benefits have expired?

[101st__and_1/2]

Millions unemployed? False. Interestingly, the number of Americans in the workforce has now reached a record-shattering 138.5 million, the most ever in the history of the U.S. Actually, the 5.6 unemployment rate is lower than the 7.3 percent average in the 1980s and the 5.8 percent average in the 1990s. The current unemployment rate is nearly identical to what former President Bill Clinton had when he ran for reelection in 1996. Unemployment stood at 5.5 percent in February 1996.
You suprise me with your gross display of ignorance.

you want abuse of executive priveledges? hows this, before clinton left the white house, he made hundreds of presidential pardons to full blown criminals. he did this at the end of his 8 year term so he couldn't be tried by the supreme court for abusing executive priveledge. bush ever done anything like that? last i checked he didn't declare war, congress did. clintons a jackass, all democrats are jackasses, you want all the change in the world, but you don't want to do it, you'd rather have somebody else think and spend your money for you, and decide whats best for you.
p.s. JACKASS

[OB Kenobi]

Millions unemployed? False. Interestingly, the number of Americans in the workforce has now reached a record-shattering 138.5 million, the most ever in the history of the U.S. Actually, the 5.6 unemployment rate is lower than the 7.3 percent average in the 1980s and the 5.8 percent average in the 1990s. The current unemployment rate is nearly identical to what former President Bill Clinton had when he ran for reelection in 1996. Unemployment stood at 5.5 percent in February 1996.
You suprise me with your gross display of ignorance.

you want abuse of executive priveledges? hows this, before clinton left the white house, he made hundreds of presidential pardons to full blown criminals. he did this at the end of his 8 year term so he couldn't be tried by the supreme court for abusing executive priveledge. bush ever done anything like that? last i checked he didn't declare war, congress did. clintons a jackass, all democrats are jackasses, you want all the change in the world, but you don't want to do it, you'd rather have somebody else think and spend your money for you, and decide whats best for you.
p.s. JACKASS

No answer about the unemployment question I see.

Ooh that big, bad Clinton, he's soooo evil, and Bu$h is Jesus reborn!

I like the last thing you said the most. Where the (%$*^@(@ do you think half a trillion of our tax $$$ went to!? George Bu$h is the biggest thief in the history of the United States!

[chauncy republicans]

Millions unemployed? False. Interestingly, the number of Americans in the workforce has now reached a record-shattering 138.5 million, the most ever in the history of the U.S. Actually, the 5.6 unemployment rate is lower than the 7.3 percent average in the 1980s and the 5.8 percent average in the 1990s. The current unemployment rate is nearly identical to what former President Bill Clinton had when he ran for reelection in 1996. Unemployment stood at 5.5 percent in February 1996.
You suprise me with your gross display of ignorance.

you want abuse of executive priveledges? hows this, before clinton left the white house, he made hundreds of presidential pardons to full blown criminals. he did this at the end of his 8 year term so he couldn't be tried by the supreme court for abusing executive priveledge. bush ever done anything like that? last i checked he didn't declare war, congress did. clintons a jackass, all democrats are jackasses, you want all the change in the world, but you don't want to do it, you'd rather have somebody else think and spend your money for you, and decide whats best for you.
p.s. JACKASS
I'm not even democrat. :lol: I like my weapons...

[obd]

LOL, I havnt been to this thread in awhile...Just read "American Patriots" comment which said "If not for the Patriot Act you could be dead, terrorists take advantage of your freedoms"......Jesus I have never read anything more idiotic in my life.......Our freedoms, in case you havnt noticed, are what make us Americans and what make our country so stable......If you actually did a little reading on Osama Bin Laden and other high ranking AQ you would know that one of his goals for the 9/11 attacks was not so much to kill people but to frighten Americans enough to make them change thier laws and destroy thier freedoms. In essence, Bin Laden had a long range goal: To destroy what makes America stable and strong.....and what makes us stable, what give us our sense of pride and nationalism and love of our country is FREEDOM FROM OPPRESSION!!!!!!............3,000 dead in a terror attack did not destroy America....... 60,000 dead in Vietnam did not destroy America.......100,000 people dead in another terror attack and America will survive....................BUT TAKE AWAY OUR FREEDOMS AND OUR RIGHTS AND GIVE RIGHTS OF OPPRESSION TO THE GOVERNMENT AND AT SOME POINT AMERICA IS DEAD.....GONE.....FINISHED.....OVER........IT IS NO LONGER A GREAT NATION AND A "CITY ON A HILL" BUT IT IS JUST ANOTHER THIRD WORLD ****HOLE.............

But what is interesting to me is that people who seek to destroy freedom use FEAR as an excuse as in "if we dont take away your rights, terrorists are going to kill you all"........They play us like a fiddle with the "terror alert warning sytem".........and you American Patiot are one of those people so easily played......wake up a little before you lose the very thing you seek to protect, even more important that your own life: YOUR FREEDOM......

GIVE ME FREEDOM OR GIVE ME DEATH

If it wasnt so sad, it would be funny.........

[obd]

LOL, I havnt been to this thread in awhile...Just read "American Patriots" comment which said "If not for the Patriot Act you could be dead, terrorists take advantage of your freedoms"......Jesus I have never read anything more idiotic in my life.......Our freedoms, in case you havnt noticed, are what make us Americans and what make our country so stable......If you actually did a little reading on Osama Bin Laden and other high ranking AQ you would know that one of his goals for the 9/11 attacks was not so much to kill people but to frighten Americans enough to make them change thier laws and destroy thier freedoms. In essence, Bin Laden had a long range goal: To destroy what makes America stable and strong.....and what makes us stable, what give us our sense of pride and nationalism and love of our country is FREEDOM FROM OPPRESSION!!!!!!............3,000 dead in a terror attack did not destroy America....... 60,000 dead in Vietnam did not destroy America.......100,000 people dead in another terror attack and America will survive....................BUT TAKE AWAY OUR FREEDOMS AND OUR RIGHTS AND GIVE RIGHTS OF OPPRESSION TO THE GOVERNMENT AND AT SOME POINT AMERICA IS DEAD.....GONE.....FINISHED.....OVER........IT IS NO LONGER A GREAT NATION AND A "CITY ON A HILL" BUT IT IS JUST ANOTHER THIRD WORLD ****HOLE.............

But what is interesting to me is that people who seek to destroy freedom use FEAR as an excuse as in "if we dont take away your rights, terrorists are going to kill you all"........They play us like a fiddle with the "terror alert warning sytem".........and you American Patiot are one of those people so easily played......wake up a little before you lose the very thing you seek to protect, even more important that your own life: YOUR FREEDOM......

GIVE ME FREEDOM OR GIVE ME DEATH

If it wasnt so sad, it would be funny.........

[obd]

Oh and "American Patriot", another simple minded tactic people (like you) use to discredit others is to link them, where no evidence exists, to "terrorists" such as in you saying to me "what you saying sounds anti Christian and exactly like what terrorists say"..........

To be frank with you, your an asshole of the highest order.....I supported and still support our troops through the whole thing.....I live near Ft. Bragg ("Fayetnam" as we North Carolinian's call it hehe) and most of the people I know are military or ex-military......Alot of my freinds went to A-stan and I supported them all the way. I was behind that was from the VERY BEGINNING and I STILL AM BEHIND A_STAN......Some of my old high school buddies are Christian, some are athiest, some agnostic and some are just simply not religious but "spiritual"......I am not "anti Christian" but what I am is anti-radical right wing "born again" Christian.......I think those people are just as bad as Al Queda and they espose the same radical ideology as any radical uncompromising religious group does......and they are destroying this country from within even as Al Queda tries to destroy us from outside and inside.........

Just because I hate Bush and just because I dont support his policy in Iraq at all does not mean Im not 100% behind my troops, some of whom are my freinds and believe me, I read the letters they write home.....and alot of them are questioning the war themselves......

Its easy for people like you who have nothing directly at stake in Iraq to support it.....I have freinds there and I want them home and they want to come home and get on with thier lives.....If your such a patriot then stop spouting off and sign up and go fight your own damn war instead of sitting on your ass while others kill and get killed for it.............Who knows, maybe if more kids like you volunteer knowing you will be sent to Iraq then maybe some of those kids that have had thier tours extended 6-12 months might get to go home and see thier parents and freinds before they get thier legs blown off or get killed for a war they dont believe in anymore and didnt sign up to fight (they signed up to defend this country, not to fight a war against a nation that never launched an attack against American soil because our president needed to do something before his poll numbers sunk through the floor....Wag the Dog anyone??)........actually I take that back, all of my freinds believe in the war, but what they are questioning now is leadership.....and not thier officers....Im talking about Bush and Rumsfeld..............They dont believe in thier leaders at the highest level and because of that they lose morale for the daily attacks they face............Maybe if you "American Patriot" signed up, it would take the burden off of people who have already shouldered it too long...............Hats off to you and much respect when and if you volunteer.......

[budanski]

Let's also take a look at how Bu$h measures these so-called "employed" people:
As opposed to Clinton's measurements (http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/05/jobless/)?


"The vast majority of the jobs added were in the service industry, including restaurants, bars, and agencies that place temporary workers."
Last checked, those jobs don't offer health benefits either.

BLS' CPI Inflation data here (ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/news.release/History/cpi.01152004.news).
You'll find a table about halfway down. CPI went up 3.3% in 1996, only 1.9% in 2003. (It's about the same today.)

The current average wage of $15.40 or so can be found here (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t17.htm).

The 1996 average wage of $11.82 was cited in a CNN article (http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/05/jobless/).

The unemployment level having been at "already-low 5.6%" in 1996 was also from CNN (http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/05/jobless/).

2004 unemployment rate (http://data.bls.gov/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=LN_cpsbref3) is also 5.6%, as shown on the Bureau of Labor Statistic's home page.

So, to summarize this important info very briefly:

During Clinton's Great Economy of 1996:
Unemployment was at 5.6%
Average wage was $11.82/hr.
Inflation was 3.3%

During George W. Bush's "miserable failure" economy of 2004:
Unemployment is at 5.6%
Average wage is $15.40/hr.
Inflation is 1.9%

What's wrong with this picture?

[BlackRain]

......I am not "anti Christian" but what I am is anti-radical right wing "born again" Christian.......I think those people are just as bad as Al Queda and they espose the same radical ideology as any radical uncompromising religious group does......and they are destroying this country from within even as Al Queda tries to destroy us from outside and inside.........


budanski, just leave them to their anti-Bush circle jerk.

You can't change a closed mind.

Hey OBD, the next time a member of the "right wing "born again" Christian" blows up a building in NY, kills thousands of Americans, beheads innocent civilians, you give us a call.

Debating you is boring as you appear very young by the tenor of your posts.

[obd]

Hey Balck Rain, a right wing Christian already commited the second most devestating terrorist strike in American history: His name was Timothy McVeigh and his target was Oaklahoma City.........

In addition, in case you did not know but this has been mentioned I believe on this forum and was covered in the national news, a Texas right wing Christian man was recently arrested by the FBI when he accidently sent a threatening letter to the wrong address and was reported.......

The FBI found a chemical bomb and a huge array of banned weapons and hate literature in his home (as well as right wing ideology pamphlets)......For some reason we are all worried, as well we should be, about Muslum extremists sneaking in weapons of mass destruction but we already have Christian extremists building them for use right here in the United States!!!! Thank God the FBI caught the man or alotta people would probably be dead right now and we would probably be blaming it on Al Queda when in fact it was that Texas Christian nutcase............

I suggest you look it up Black Rain....Its out there for you if you even want it.........

Muslum extremists are a huge threat to America but so are others......I suggest you take a look at some of the right wing Christian websites hosted in America by American right wing militia groups and others on the internet and take a look at what they write........Alot of thier literature is ten times more frightening than any Al Queda writtings.........

And there are many thousands of adherrants of this radical and violent Christian ideology right here in the United States.........Very scary......

[chauncy republicans]

Let's also take a look at how Bu$h measures these so-called "employed" people:
As opposed to Clinton's measurements (http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/05/jobless/)?


"The vast majority of the jobs added were in the service industry, including restaurants, bars, and agencies that place temporary workers."
Last checked, those jobs don't offer health benefits either.

BLS' CPI Inflation data here (ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/news.release/History/cpi.01152004.news).
You'll find a table about halfway down. CPI went up 3.3% in 1996, only 1.9% in 2003. (It's about the same today.)

The current average wage of $15.40 or so can be found here (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t17.htm).

The 1996 average wage of $11.82 was cited in a CNN article (http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/05/jobless/).

The unemployment level having been at "already-low 5.6%" in 1996 was also from CNN (http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/05/jobless/).

2004 unemployment rate (http://data.bls.gov/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=LN_cpsbref3) is also 5.6%, as shown on the Bureau of Labor Statistic's home page.

So, to summarize this important info very briefly:

During Clinton's Great Economy of 1996:
Unemployment was at 5.6%
Average wage was $11.82/hr.
Inflation was 3.3%

During George W. Bush's "miserable failure" economy of 2004:
Unemployment is at 5.6%
Average wage is $15.40/hr.
Inflation is 1.9%

What's wrong with this picture?
O.k. I've said it once, I'll say it again (only due to the ingnorance displayed by certain forum members) I AM NOT A DEMOCRAT!!!
Get it through your heads!! Clinton bashing does not help you argument at all!!! Clinton bashing can be funny as hell, but in debate it does no good, if anything it makes you look like you've lost the argument.
Besides...if Clinton is such an Idiot why do you constantly compare George W to him?? Seems to me you would compare you ever glorious leader to somebody a little more admirable. ;)

[tacticalmanta]

because Clinton left a huge mess for Bush Jr. to clean-up. Most people serving in the US military know this.

[chauncy republicans]

because Clinton left a huge mess for Bush Jr. to clean-up. Most people serving in the US military know this.
Was that some sort of an attemp at answering my question? :cantbeli:

[tacticalmanta]

Yes, it answers why Bush Jr. is juxtaposed with Clinton. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand this.

[Trigger]

Yes, it answers why Bush Jr. is juxtaposed with Clinton. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand this.
You must keep in mind that chauncy works in the black ops world of McDonalds (secret sauce dept./tinfoil hat division) p-)

[chauncy republicans]

Yes, it answers why Bush Jr. is juxtaposed with Clinton. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand this.
You must keep in mind that chauncy works in the black ops world of McDonalds (secret sauce dept./tinfoil hat division) p-)
Your just jealous of my secret I.D. badge.

[rob]

first off im not exactly a republican, i agree withthe right on certain issues and with the left on other ones. but i guess i do lean a bit right over all.

first i would like to say that after reading this i get the feeling that only budansky and i think one other person who brought up the graphs where actually basing their oppinion on facts. im sorry but that is the truth.

do i like bush? not really, but i hate kerry i dont even think he should be aloud to run becuase of what he did during and following vietnam.

but the "horrible economy" is something which does not exist and looking at fact i can tell you that economically bush isnt doing bad, it just i dont think he went about iraq the right way. and i think he infringed on every citizens rights with he patriot act.

i guess now with voting is more of voting for the lesser evil then anything else.

as for the add i think it works.

[101st__and_1/2]

Yes, it answers why Bush Jr. is juxtaposed with Clinton. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand this.
You must keep in mind that chauncy works in the black ops world of McDonalds (secret sauce dept./tinfoil hat division) p-)

well if thats true, chauncy must really be a smart guy, and we should all respect his opinions, because, afterall, they've gotten him this far in life. (that and a few bad choices during and after highschool)

[vryhpyammoadded]

The Soviet Union used to be the "evil empire" to most of the rest of the world.....Now we are......wake up call people.....STOP BEING STUPID SHEEP AND VOTING FOR THE BIGGEST LIAR ON EARTH!!!!!
Ok, then please tell the US political parties to provide someone who isn't or is less of one.

[chauncy republicans]

Yes, it answers why Bush Jr. is juxtaposed with Clinton. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand this.
You must keep in mind that chauncy works in the black ops world of McDonalds (secret sauce dept./tinfoil hat division) p-)

well if thats true, chauncy must really be a smart guy, and we should all respect his opinions, because, afterall, they've gotten him this far in life. (that and a few bad choices during and after highschool)
It's always funny when people end up insulting me. I enjoy it, it's always humorous when people resort to insults, probably due to lack of argument.
Gee I wonder why that is...

[Trigger]

Yes, it answers why Bush Jr. is juxtaposed with Clinton. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand this.
You must keep in mind that chauncy works in the black ops world of McDonalds (secret sauce dept./tinfoil hat division) p-)

well if thats true, chauncy must really be a smart guy, and we should all respect his opinions, because, afterall, they've gotten him this far in life. (that and a few bad choices during and after highschool)
It's always funny when people end up insulting me. I enjoy it, it's always humorous when people resort to insults, probably due to lack of argument.
Gee I wonder why that is...

chauncy republicans wrote on page 2:

First of all...I dont like John Kerry at all, you little prick! Second of all...
Yeah, it's always funny when that happens. Especially when it's unprovoked and you're there on the moral high ground...
You're clueless. :roll:

[budanski]

You're clueless. :roll:
I'm beginning to think that chauncy republican isnt really a republican. ;)

[Trigger]

You're clueless. :roll:
I'm beginning to think that chauncy republican isnt really a republican. ;)
What a coincidence.... :D