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seruriermarshal
06-25-2004, 07:00 PM
Ivory Coast soldier kills French peacekeeper in unprovoked attack on convoy

ABIDJAN (AFP) Jun 25, 2004
A French soldier on patrol in restive Ivory Coast was fatally shot Friday by a member of the west African state's armed forces, the French military said.
Late Friday afternoon, an Ivorian soldier opened fire on a French military convoy traveling through Zambakro, a town south of the capital Yamoussoukro in the center of the country, a statement from the French military command said.

"A soldier from the Ivorian national armed forces FANCI fired unprovoked on a French military vehicle, shooting one of its occupants in the back," the statement said.

"The perpetrator of this isolated incident was immediately taken down by other FANCI soldiers in the area."

Some 4,000 French troops patrol a ceasefire in the former French colony, hoping to forestall a reprise of the civil war that erupted following a failed September 2002 coup against President Laurent Gbagbo.

The divided country has since been suspended in a state of near-war pocked by spurts of violence, the most recent being a violent state-sanctioned crackdown on an opposition rally that left at least 120 dead, a UN human rights team has said.

A joint investigation into the incident has been launched and the family of the victim has been notified. He has yet to be identified.

Friday's slaying brings to three the number of French soldiers killed since Operation Unicorn was launched more than a year ago. On August 25 last year, two French peacekeepers were killed by "renegade elements" of the rebel military force known as the New Forces while on boat patrol in Kossou Lake, which stretches along the ceasefire zone.

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REGIMENTAL PRAYER

Almighty, merciful, and loving Father,
you are the one who hears all our prayers and grants our petitions.

We ask you to remember, as we do,
the tremendous sacrifice made by those who went before us.
They have given their lives so that we might live and breathe freely.
We ask you to receive them into your hands.

Father, give us the strength and wisdom to learn from their example,
to uphold freedom and life at home and around the world.

Keep us vigilant as we guard the frontiers of freedom.

Give our leaders the wisdom and the strength to lead well.

Grant all of us courage and confidence.
Be, for all of us, troopers, a wise counsel in keeping peace
and a strong shield for us against our enemies.
Oh heavenly Father, give us the determination
that the peace and freedom won at such a high price be lasting!

Father, hold all of the troopers in the palm of your almighty hand
and protect them in the shadow of your wings.

Amen.

:(

Black Dots
06-25-2004, 08:04 PM
Being a peacekeeper has got to be the most frustrating thing on the planet. You have a weapon, you're being shot at, but 9 times out of 10 you can't shoot back.

MEGR
06-25-2004, 10:44 PM
Being a peacekeeper has got to be the most frustrating thing on the planet. You have a weapon, you're being shot at, but 9 times out of 10 you can't shoot back.

I agree, but that comes with the job unfortunately. God bless the people who do it though.

n4292936
06-25-2004, 11:10 PM
as they say, its hard to be a peacekeeper when there's no peace to keep. I was pretty glad to see the Australian force in East Timor wasn't hamstrung by overly restrictive ROE.

Pandy
06-26-2004, 12:10 AM
ROE for the US Military is and always will be... if you get shot at, you shoot back. You have to defend yourself whenever possible if attacked, not sit down and hope they go away.

RavenW
06-26-2004, 12:13 AM
devgru77! You changed your avater, man!

I didn't realize it was you for some time. (Kinda get used to old one ;) )

Bayonet
06-26-2004, 12:18 AM
Being a peacekeeper has got to be the most frustrating thing on the planet. You have a weapon, you're being shot at, but 9 times out of 10 you can't shoot back.


Yes.....these people died for peace.....RIP....

Secret Squirrel
06-26-2004, 12:26 AM
Being a peacekeeper has got to be the most frustrating thing on the planet. You have a weapon, you're being shot at, but 9 times out of 10 you can't shoot back.

Chapter six missions always have a clause for self-defense if you're fired upon. Where did you get what you wrote above?

Kilgor
06-26-2004, 02:07 AM
I was watching a documentry about British soldiers being taught the rules of engagement, and a example was given.

A man running towards them with a live grenade.

Aparently you can shoot him with the grenade in his hands comming towards you, but you cant shoot him after he has attempted to take your life and is running away.

Complete and utter bull**** IMO.

gilgoul
06-26-2004, 02:57 AM
RIP, It s always sad to hear.

gilgoul
06-26-2004, 03:01 AM
Question though, is the FANCI a international or UN mission?
Because the article doesn`t speak of the french returning fire and kicking the ass of the assaillant, do you have more details i`ll look for some too.

gilgoul
06-26-2004, 03:01 AM
Question though, is the FANCI a international or UN mission?
Because the article doesn`t speak of the french returning fire and kicking the ass of the assaillant, do you have more details i`ll look for some too.

Uncle Chô
06-26-2004, 04:17 AM
From what I have read, it is an isolate incident that does have nothing to do with a military action. The guy was probably high on drugs, angry and/or drunk (as they often are) and only shot one time on a passing convoy. It is a ****ing stupid accident that took one life for no reason.

That is why the all convoy did not go into a horseshoe and fire all their weapons at the bystanders (US Army ROE according to Pandy ;) )

gilgoul
06-26-2004, 05:47 AM
From what I have read, it is an isolate incident that does have nothing to do with a military action. The guy was probably high on drugs, angry and/or drunk (as they often are) and only shot one time on a passing convoy. It is a f*** stupid accident that took one life for no reason.

That is why the all convoy did not go into a horseshoe and fire all their weapons at the bystanders (US Army ROE according to Pandy ;) )

So what, they still could arrest the shooter, or neutrlize him without having to flee or having to shoot the whole neighbourhood.
To my great pain I have experienced those kind of "retenue" in the ROE, they bring only more fear and a lack of confidence in your mission and your officers, since you know that you are a expendable piece.
I don`t know wnough about this particular incident, but have seen enough in for****u and DOM TOM deployment what kind of ROE was in practice in the french army, and it`s pretty sad to say that this army was a laugh stock for a lot of people, who knew that trying a shot at a convoy wasn`t brringing hell on one self, and especially in UN deployement, you could even kidnap or ransom french soldiers without too many risks, since the few who decided to resist where later put in trial and judged severely by their superiors who definitely prefered a humiliated soldier than a dead assaillant.
As for accusing the americans of loose ROE, at least do they protect their own, and so far I haven`t seen or heard of total loss of control in this sphere

anonymous individual
06-26-2004, 08:51 AM
RIP

OldRecon
06-26-2004, 12:44 PM
Being a peacekeeper has got to be the most frustrating thing on the planet. You have a weapon, you're being shot at, but 9 times out of 10 you can't shoot back.

Hm, is that the redneck way to look at it?

Well, in the immediate athmosphere it can sometimes be frustrating yes, but when you take some breaths and get a distance to it, knowing that those causing troubles would probably have behaved much worse if you weren't there in the middle to monitor them gives a sort of satisfaction.

Also when some **** empty a mag between your legs (and thus use up his argument), and you still stand there in front of him without moving away can be quite satisfying. Though you don't want to go through to many such experiences.

As for peacekeeping and killing, to discourage any illusions about lame ducks. If an armed element open fire on a peacekeeping unit and hit one of their number, it's well within the rules for the peacekeepers to fire back and kill the armed element in question (though in a disciplined way without too much indiscriminate gung-ho).

The demand for self discipline also gave me a sort of kick with regards to my UNIFIL service, and a sort of "better-safe-than-sorry-firepower-steamroller-approach-as-standard-are-for-paranoid-chicken" kudos.
If that way to look at it is common among other present and former Norwegian peacekeepers I don't know.

OldRecon
06-26-2004, 12:56 PM
From what I have read, it is an isolate incident that does have nothing to do with a military action. The guy was probably high on drugs, angry and/or drunk (as they often are) and only shot one time on a passing convoy. It is a f*** stupid accident that took one life for no reason.

That is why the all convoy did not go into a horseshoe and fire all their weapons at the bystanders (US Army ROE according to Pandy ;) )

So what, they still could arrest the shooter, or neutrlize him without having to flee or having to shoot the whole neighbourhood.
To my great pain I have experienced those kind of "retenue" in the ROE, they bring only more fear and a lack of confidence in your mission and your officers, since you know that you are a expendable piece.
I don`t know wnough about this particular incident, but have seen enough in for****u and DOM TOM deployment what kind of ROE was in practice in the french army, and it`s pretty sad to say that this army was a laugh stock for a lot of people, who knew that trying a shot at a convoy wasn`t brringing hell on one self, and especially in UN deployement, you could even kidnap or ransom french soldiers without too many risks, since the few who decided to resist where later put in trial and judged severely by their superiors who definitely prefered a humiliated soldier than a dead assaillant.
As for accusing the americans of loose ROE, at least do they protect their own, and so far I haven`t seen or heard of total loss of control in this sphere

With regards to reports from some of the uggly convoy ambush episodes involving UN military assets early on in Bosnia, I was somewhat amazed by what appeared to be a rather stricter ROE for convoy escorts in that relatively "hot" area, compared to the ROE for convoy escort that I operated under in then comparably "cold" Southern Lebanon.
If there was serious trouble we were left in no doubt indeed as for how to proceed.