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MaverickCowboy
04-06-2009, 09:21 PM
http://www.flatheadbeacon.com/articles/article/montana_poised_to_buck_federal_gun_control/9392/

HELENA – Montana-made guns may form the basis for a court showdown over states' rights if the governor signs a bill to release some firearms in the state from federal regulation.

The proposed law aims to exempt firearms, weapons components and ammunition made in Montana and kept in Montana from federal gun laws. Since the state has few gun laws of its own, the legislation would allow some gunowners and sellers in the state to skirt registration, licensing requirements and background checks entirely.

"We'd like to just be able to make our own guns here in Montana and have the feds stay out of it," said Gary Marbut of the Montana Shooting Sports Association, which helped draft the bill.

The real target, though, is the U.S. Supreme Court. And Marbut and others believe they can hit that mark with a simple Montana-made youth-model single-shot bolt-action .22 rifle.

In particular, they plan to find a "squeaky clean" Montanan who wants to send a note to the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives threatening to build and sell about 20 such rifles without federal dealership licensing. If the ATF tells them it's illegal, they will then file a lawsuit in federal court — with any luck triggering a legal battle that lands in the nation's highest court.

House Bill 246 sailed through the Montana Legislature, but Democratic Gov. Brian Schweitzer has not yet offered a position on the measure, which awaits his action.

The federal enforcement agency for gun laws has also not taken a firm stand.

"ATF is not going to take a position on this because we don't make any of the laws, we just enforce the laws that Congress makes," said Carrie DiPirro, spokeswoman for the Denver field division, which oversees Montana.

Through the Constitution, Congress has authority to regulate interstate commerce, which serves as the legal basis for gun regulation in the United States.

Efforts to bypass that authority have been heard before by the U.S. Supreme Court. In 2005, the court upheld federal regulation of marijuana in California, even if its use is limited to noncommercial purposes — such as medical reasons — and it is grown and used within a state's borders.

However, Randy Barnett, the lawyer and constitutional scholar who represented the plaintiff in the California case, said the introduction of a "Made in Montana' stamp — and stay in Montana guideline — might give some mettle to Montana's latest pitch for sovereignty.

In the Gonzalez v. Raich case argued by Barnett, the court said that because marijuana produced within and outside of California is essentially indistinguishable, the government must regulate both to enforce national drug laws. Montana, though, could potentially argue that its guns are sufficiently unique and segregated as to lie outside of overarching federal regulatory schemes, Barnett said.

The Montana effort follows fears here and elsewhere that the election of Barack Obama as president would trigger more gun regulation, sparking a rush to stock up on firearms in the months following the inauguration.

But supporters insist House Bill 246 has been tailored to hit a different bull's eye than gun freedoms.

"Firearms are inextricably linked to the history and culture of Montana, and I'd like to support that," said bill sponsor Rep. Joel Boniek, R-Livingston, during its House debate. "But I want to point out that the issue here is not about firearms. It's about state rights."

Irons
04-06-2009, 09:23 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again with regard to stuff like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgNU2NQd7d0

Awesome! Let the grudge-match begin. I'm rootin' for 'em! Nothin' like sticking your boot off in the ATF's a*s. It's always a good time; always a show! :)

MaverickCowboy
04-06-2009, 09:25 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again with regard to stuff like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgNU2NQd7d0

Awesome! Let the grudge-match begin. I'm rootin' for 'em! :)

LOL WTF?

like bark much?

vryhpyammoadded
04-06-2009, 11:36 PM
So now we get to see the FEMA trains used eh? p-)

gaijinsamurai
04-06-2009, 11:42 PM
Cool.
But do they actually manufacture anything in Montana?

Irons
04-06-2009, 11:44 PM
Cool.
But do they actually manufacture anything in Montana?

Trees, Peckers, Cowboys, and Awesomeness the last I heard. They're good to go. Good to go enough that Texas will take notice. :)

gaijinsamurai
04-06-2009, 11:52 PM
As someone from a Western state, I have positive feelings towards Montana in general.
Just seems like this is more symbolic than substance.

Not that there's anything wrong with that....

...way to go Montana!

Irons
04-07-2009, 12:10 AM
As someone from a Western state, I have positive feelings towards Montana in general.
Just seems like this is more symbolic than substance.

Not that there's anything wrong with that....

...way to go Montana!


Montana sees what you did there. Montana doesn't take any sh*t off of Hippie, pretend, western states! Montana feels hurt, and backed into a corner now; and what was once a joke, must now be carried through for honors sake! Montana will one step toward "the line" now. Texas will follow. It shall be ANARCHY! Just know that it was you who did this. For shame!

MaverickCowboy
04-07-2009, 12:37 AM
As someone from a Western state, I have positive feelings towards Montana in general.
Just seems like this is more symbolic than substance.

Not that there's anything wrong with that....

...way to go Montana!

How dare you......

You've never been to Gallatin have you?...

gaijinsamurai
04-07-2009, 12:44 AM
Hey, I'm from rural Oregon originally. My dad was a cowboy.

So, what DOES Montana make?

Leather goods?

Lumber products?

Irons
04-07-2009, 12:48 AM
What do they make? They make Cattle, Sheep, Kelly-Moore Paint, and Schlong; the kind that pokes the ATF in the ear. Winter Wheat, Wind Power, and ICBM's run a close second however.

Oregon is only a "Western State" in The Oregon Trail, and everybody dies of typhoid getting there, so nobody likes that place even then! Oregon is ersatz western state! Oregon doesn't get to sit at the "cool kids" western table.

ronnieraygun
04-07-2009, 12:49 AM
I've done some travelling and some places are all about mythologizing an idea of the American west. Most, in fact. Here's what's worth reading about the article:



"Firearms are inextricably linked to the history and culture of Montana, and I'd like to support that," said bill sponsor Rep. Joel Boniek, R-Livingston, during its House debate. "But I want to point out that the issue here is not about firearms. It's about state rights."

ronnieraygun
04-07-2009, 12:55 AM
Oregon is only a "Western State" in The Oregon Trail, and everybody dies of typhoid getting there, so nobody likes that place even then! Oregon is ersatz western state!


Hmm. Lewis and Clark, Currier and Ives, etc. Actually, most of Oregon if you've travelled there is quite rural, plenty of ranchers and don't forget the high desert. Just like everywhere else west there is one town that is kind of the yuppie ****stain (Bend) but I don't think that's fair to say it's an ersatz western state unless you're thinking Portland and along the touristed portions of the pacific coast highway or the whole i-5 experience.

Irons
04-07-2009, 12:57 AM
You listen to DEVO and you just said that to me? I can't get me no...

gaijinsamurai
04-07-2009, 12:58 AM
When most outsiders visit Oregon, they go to Portland, and maybe somewhere else along Interstate 5, then they think they know all about the state.

ronnieraygun
04-07-2009, 12:58 AM
you listen to devo and you just said that to me? I can't get me no...

satisfaction

Irons
04-07-2009, 01:10 AM
Stick men with...Stick men with...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJsXH4FcreQ

It's like Montana, and Cowboys...somehow.

LRPV
04-07-2009, 06:50 AM
If you urban cowboys keep on track this could be an interesting thread. :)
Back home firearms laws were the purview of each State (except import/export) but they rolled over under President Howard in 1996...

I'll be interested to see how Montana goes in this little tiff..

MaverickCowboy
04-07-2009, 07:41 AM
I'm surprised this hasn't broken out into a gun control debate. I'm proud of you people.

MaverickCowboy
04-07-2009, 07:42 AM
Hey, I'm from rural Oregon originally. My dad was a cowboy.

So, what DOES Montana make?

Leather goods?

Lumber products?

LOL, Ted Turner.
and Star Trek.

Soldat_Américain
04-07-2009, 07:51 AM
I'm all for gun control in my wonderful state of California where little kids die in drive bys every year. But in Montana, it's Big Sky Country, by all means screw with the feds. Uncle lives up there, but it's my aunt who is the gun nut. Ted Turner's Ranch is up in Montana.

MaverickCowboy
04-07-2009, 07:56 AM
I'm all for gun control in my wonderful state of California where little kids die in drive bys every year.

Not working is it?

Soldat_Américain
04-07-2009, 08:07 AM
Not working is it?
The problem is there hasn't been enough money for years to combat gang violence, when I am home I live to the north of a town called Pomona, and well the place is gang country, they don't have enough cops and don't have any money to fund youth programs and the like, whereas in the relatively affluent towns to the north there's relatively little crime beyond habitual drug use.

MaverickCowboy
04-07-2009, 08:09 AM
The problem is there hasn't been enough money for years to combat gang violence, when I am home I live to the north of a town called Pomona, and well the place is gang country, they don't have enough cops and don't have any money to fund youth programs and the like, whereas in the relatively affluent towns to the north there's relatively little crime beyond habitual drug use.

Pretty much how it rolls where I'm at.Tho we get to have Concealed and Semi autos like anyone else. They calling for a BAN on everywhere in Miami now. but oh well. I'm moving to Big sky this year.