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KVLG
04-07-2009, 12:30 AM
Barack Obama's foreign policy is beginning to take shape. Semantically, it's a sharp repudiation of the policies of the George W. Bush administration.
In reality, it's something like a continuation of Bush policies.
Or, if you want to distinguish between the allegedly confrontation-minded policies of Bush's first term and the more accommodationist policies of his second term — a distinction I think is exaggerated but has something to it — then it's something like the second Bush term.
With, of course, some differences.
On Iraq, for example, Obama has agreed to maintain large numbers of troops there for 19 months — longer than he promised during the 2008 campaign — and many for some indefinite time after that.
That's gotten antiwar protesters marching and must have left many of those Democratic voters who ached to see America defeated in "Bush's war" feeling frustrated — or inclined for now to change the subject.
On Afghanistan, Obama has ordered 21,000 more American troops to the theater — including 4,000 troops announced last month — and is continuing unmanned aerial strikes on unfriendly forces in Pakistan.
This is consistent with his long insistence that Afghanistan is the "good war" and with his surprising comment during the campaign that he would strike enemies in Pakistan.
But his decision also makes Afghanistan Obama's war and imposes on him the political necessity of securing favorable results within what voters consider a reasonable time, which Bush failed to do in Iraq.
And then there are those semantic changes. We're no longer fighting a "war on terror."
We're instead conducting "overseas contingency operations" and, as Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said, responding to "man-caused disasters."
We no longer hold for indefinite periods "enemy combatants." But we'll keep holding indefinitely those we catch on the battlefield who don't obey the laws of war (which is the definition of enemy combatants).
We're closing the prison at Guantanamo Bay and releasing some of those held there.
But the Bush administration released some of those held there, and we will keep holding those deemed dangerous somewhere or other.
We haven't quite determined where that is yet. But the town fathers of heavily pro-Obama Alexandria, Va., have let it be known that they don't want any held in their jail for trial in the local federal court.
On some matters, the Obama administration is trying to make substantive as well as semantic changes, some out of an impulse, common in most new administrations, to renounce the darn-fool ideas of the jerks in the previous administration.
Vice President Joseph Biden promised to push the "reset button" on Russia, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton presented the Russian foreign minister with a big, red reset button.
Wrong word, the Russian said, in what I'd guess was a bit of disinformation.
The president himself in a video saluted the Islamic Republic of Iran — not words Bush used — on the occasion of a (non-Islamic) new year's holiday and has ordered diplomatic approaches to that nation.
None of this has evoked even a grunt of emollience from the leaders of those countries.
But, as Obama said in his news conference, he didn't expect that, and he believes that in time, persistence will pay off.
Well, maybe.
In the meantime, an administration of a party that called for respecting our allies has shown disrespect to some and is not getting much respect from others.
The administration, at the behest of U.S. labor leaders, is not pushing the free-trade pact with Colombia, the third-largest nation in Latin America.
It has banned Mexican trucks from the United States, in violation of the North American Free Trade Agreement.
It has waffled on installing the antimissile batteries in Poland and the Czech Republic, which those nations accepted, risking the wrath of Russia.
It gave a frosty reception (and some nonplayable-in-the-United Kingdom DVDs) to British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and granted a quick Saturday meeting with Brazilian President Lula da Silva.
It sent a policy letter to the president of Italy, a head of state who plays no role in policymaking, thus ignoring the pro-American prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi.
These are rookie mistakes, perhaps, and probably mendable in time.
But as Obama embarked on his first presidential tour in Europe, he seemed to face a reception considerably less enthusiastic than he got from the ecstatic crowd in the Tiergarten in Berlin last summer.
Economic stimulus packages like America's? Most European leaders are not interested.
Military assistance in the "good war" in Afghanistan?
Sorry, our troops are occupied elsewhere, and many of those already there must observe rules of engagement considerably more restrictive than those of the NYPD.
So this new administration, like others, is running into reality.
Much of the Obama foreign policy seems sensible, and, well, every administration makes some mistakes.
But I wonder whether it will turn out to be a political asset. Continued military efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan could disillusion left-wing antiwar voters who flocked to the polls in 2008.
And to the extent that the Obama term is the Bush second term, recall that after his confrontationist first term, Bush won re-election, while after his accommodationist second term, his party got clobbered.
But prediction in these times is perilous, though not as perilous as the unknown dangers we may face ahead. Good luck, Mr. President.

Copyright 2008 Creators Syndicate, Inc

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budgie
04-07-2009, 01:22 AM
It's easy to pick at elements of foreign policy that have essentially remained the same and scream, "No change here!" But the real difference is in the attitude of the current administraion. Compared to the Bush days - especially the first term - there's less of a "f@#k you, we're America!" approach and more willingness to listen. Unfortunately in diplomatic circles sometimes words speak louder than actions.

khaz
04-07-2009, 02:02 AM
Really there is less listening and more self loathing and blaming his own country for everything. Soon he will come back to the states and all the leaders of europe will reflect back on how nice it was to have thier ass kissed.


Oh and that was a really nice of obama to bow to saudi King. Very dignified for the US Prez.

ase290406
04-07-2009, 05:24 PM
It just shows that.. changes take time. Well have to check back in a year or two, to see any really new U.S policy.

bugkill
04-07-2009, 09:57 PM
Why do people expect Obama to all of sudden make sweeping changes in foreign policy in his first 100 days? He has to DEAL with the issues from the past, not just ignore it and make up some new s**t. He made a decision about Iraq and he gave a timetable, how is that anything like Bush's policy?

People need to remember that it is only April and he took office in mid-janurary, so why would anyone would think that sweeping changes would be a good thing for this country that quick? Obama is very different from Bush and it shows in the way he is looking to do business with the world and our country. Obama is not going to be perfect and that applies to every president.

All we can hope for is that he is able to make the right decisions that will keep our country strong and safe, and I feel that way about every president, no matter what group they belong to.

KVLG
04-07-2009, 10:30 PM
Why do people expect Obama to all of sudden make sweeping changes in foreign policy in his first 100 days? He has to DEAL with the issues from the past, not just ignore it and make up some new s**t. He made a decision about Iraq and he gave a timetable, how is that anything like Bush's policy?

People need to remember that it is only April and he took office in mid-janurary, so why would anyone would think that sweeping changes would be a good thing for this country that quick? Obama is very different from Bush and it shows in the way he is looking to do business with the world and our country. Obama is not going to be perfect and that applies to every president.

All we can hope for is that he is able to make the right decisions that will keep our country strong and safe, and I feel that way about every president, no matter what group they belong to.

If i'm not mistaken, he promised the anti-war lobby that he'd make steps to pull out of Iraq, and now he hasn't. He also has treated some of our allies questionably-look at Colombia, for example.

Havoc345
04-07-2009, 11:27 PM
The only people who are disappointed by Obama's current stance on foreign policy are the aging radical baby boomers and radical college students who thought they were gonna get complete radical "change". Instead they got a good president with common sense

KVLG
04-07-2009, 11:28 PM
The only people who are disappointed by Obama's current stance on foreign policy are the aging radical baby boomers and radical college students who thought they were gonna get complete radical "change". Instead they got a good president with common sense

A "good president with common sense"? Maybe. We will see if that is the case.

Havoc345
04-07-2009, 11:37 PM
A "good president with common sense"? Maybe. We will see if that is the case.


Not the greatest POTUS but certainly better than the last, so far that is. :)

2Sheds_Jackson
04-07-2009, 11:51 PM
Not the greatest POTUS but certainly better than the last, so far that is. :)

Based on what? Obama has always talked a lot and done very little. If there's any foreign policy to be found, that's it right there. He talks and talks and talks and makes dramatic pauses - Christ at least he isn't biting his lower lip and taking staged walks on the beach like Clinton did. But the man hasn't done anything. I'm beginning to worry. He seems to be tring to continue this modus operandi of his, where he just rambles on endlessly in dramatic speeches, then plays hookey when it's time to exercise leadership. His job is now to lead, not just make nice speeches. He got his ass handed to him at the G20, North Korea tested an ICBM while he was talking about eliminating nuclear weapons from the world - it's as if he hasn't quite accepted the reality yet that if he's actually going to do his job, he's going to have to make enemies, and take the political damage.

Cstafford
04-07-2009, 11:54 PM
Based on what? Obama has always talked a lot and done very little. If there's any foreign policy to be found, that's it right there. He talks and talks and talks and makes dramatic pauses - Christ at least he isn't biting his lower lip and taking staged walks on the beach like Clinton did. But the man hasn't done anything. I'm beginning to worry. He seems to be tring to continue this modus operandi of his, where he just rambles on endlessly in dramatic speeches, then plays hookey when it's time to exercise leadership. His job is now to lead, not just make nice speeches. He got his ass handed to him at the G20, North Korea tested an ICBM while he was talking about eliminating nuclear weapons from the world - it's as if he hasn't quite accepted the reality yet that if he's actually going to do his job, he's going to have to make enemies, and take the political damage.
get ready for the HE HASNT BEEN IN OFFICE THAT LONG DURRR speech. I damn well guarantee in 3 years obama kool-aide drinkers will still be using that line.

Havoc345
04-07-2009, 11:55 PM
Based on what? Obama has always talked a lot and done very little. If there's any foreign policy to be found, that's it right there. He talks and talks and talks and makes dramatic pauses - Christ at least he isn't biting his lower lip and taking staged walks on the beach like Clinton did. But the man hasn't done anything. I'm beginning to worry. He seems to be tring to continue this modus operandi of his, where he just rambles on endlessly in dramatic speeches, then plays hookey when it's time to exercise leadership. His job is now to lead, not just make nice speeches. He got his ass handed to him at the G20, North Korea tested an ICBM while he was talking about eliminating nuclear weapons from the world - it's as if he hasn't quite accepted the reality yet that if he's actually going to do his job, he's going to have to make enemies, and take the political damage.

Your right and I was referring to Bush's presidency as a whole and not just his foreign policy stance.

HR24
04-08-2009, 12:39 AM
Based on what? Obama has always talked a lot and done very little. If there's any foreign policy to be found, that's it right there. He talks and talks and talks and makes dramatic pauses - Christ at least he isn't biting his lower lip and taking staged walks on the beach like Clinton did. But the man hasn't done anything. I'm beginning to worry. He seems to be tring to continue this modus operandi of his, where he just rambles on endlessly in dramatic speeches, then plays hookey when it's time to exercise leadership. His job is now to lead, not just make nice speeches. He got his ass handed to him at the G20, North Korea tested an ICBM while he was talking about eliminating nuclear weapons from the world - it's as if he hasn't quite accepted the reality yet that if he's actually going to do his job, he's going to have to make enemies, and take the political damage.

Too true. He is still in campaign mode, which I am beginning to think is his ONLY mode. But hey, if there is a problem, give a f*cking speech.....that will make things better.

KVLG
04-08-2009, 01:20 AM
Not the greatest POTUS but certainly better than the last, so far that is. :)

With all due respect, shouldn't you wait until at least 4 years before making that judgement?

khaz
04-08-2009, 01:33 AM
I personally think he is the greatest kenyan born President in American history and has set a new path to power with his madrasah education. President Sotero will make us all proud. Join with me and support this former drug abuser who now leads the free world.

KVLG
04-08-2009, 02:24 AM
I personally think he is the greatest kenyan born President in American history and has set a new path to power with his madrasah education. President Sotero will make us all proud. Join with me and support this former drug abuser who now leads the free world.

ROTFLMFAOBT!woot

bugkill
04-08-2009, 11:43 AM
I personally think he is the greatest kenyan born President in American history and has set a new path to power with his madrasah education. President Sotero will make us all proud. Join with me and support this former drug abuser who now leads the free world.

First of all, he is not the first president to experiment with drugs and alcohol, and let us not forget that the last president had a DUI on his record and he happened to be a republican.


If i'm not mistaken, he promised the anti-war lobby that he'd make steps to pull out of Iraq, and now he hasn't. He also has treated some of our allies questionably-look at Colombia, for example.

Uhm, have you been watching the news lately? President Obama has already announced his plans of withdrawal/drawdown from Iraq and those plans are being carried out. It takes time to get out of Iraq and you do it through a slow transition, not a full blown retreat. This drawdown will take a couple of years and leaving a force of 50,000 to help with training and security is the absolute right move because it suits a new mission for our armed forces.

It is very important that we give up this occupation mission in Iraq because that is exactly what we have become over the years. It is not in our best interests to referee iraqi affairs at the level that we are doing it now, we need to scale back. The problem with President Bush was that he never conveyed any cohesive reasoning behind our committment to keeping over 150,000 troops there for so many years. He always hid behind the commanders on the ground, but he forgot that HE was the Commander in Cheif, not General Patraeus or other military commanders.

What I see from Obama is that he is listening to his commanders but that he is setting policy himself. Basically, he is handling the political end and he is having the commanders on the ground strategize around what he wants seen done and that is something that Bush did not do.

budgie
04-08-2009, 08:33 PM
If i'm not mistaken, he promised the anti-war lobby that he'd make steps to pull out of Iraq, and now he hasn't.


Hasn't pulled out or hasn't taken any steps? Because only one of those is correct.

little icebear
04-08-2009, 08:52 PM
But the Bush administration released some of those held there, and we will keep holding those deemed dangerous somewhere or other.
We haven't quite determined where that is yet. But the town fathers of heavily pro-Obama Alexandria, Va., have let it be known that they don't want any held in their jail for trial in the local federal court.


Now that´s some great piece of logic. Obama wants to close Gitmo down, so his voters should take care of them...
Now how about that: Send ´em all to Bush´s Ranch. He can hold them right there. 1583 acres and certainly a lot of work to do. Honest work and fresh air... I guess even Amnesty International wont object to this idea.

budgie
04-08-2009, 09:16 PM
Hear hear. We get all the republitards complaining that those who wanted Delta closed should take care of the "poor widdle tewwowists" as if our gushy touchy-feeliness were the reason and not our commitment to the rule of law. How about an AQ operative in the basement of every neocon supporter?

Yep Right-wingers now's your chance to do your part for the Global war on Reason. Feed them, clothe them and foot the bill. You can even interrogate them if you like but unfortunately with Bushy-Boy out of office you can't torture them anymore. If you lot are so sure they should be held indefinitely, cowboy up.

little icebear
04-08-2009, 09:35 PM
How about an AQ operative in the basement of every neocon supporter?

Yep Right-wingers now's your chance to do your part for the Global war on Reason. Feed them, clothe them and foot the bill. You can even interrogate them if you like but unfortunately with Bushy-Boy out of office you can't torture them anymore. If you lot are so sure they should be held indefinitely, cowboy up.

Ja. Like this brave American, who did his duty. http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/216621/january-26-2009/stephen-s-secret-prison

"Come on out, Omar! They´re shutting us down!"

shocker1
04-08-2009, 09:39 PM
Hear hear. We get all the republitards complaining that those who wanted Delta closed should take care of the "poor widdle tewwowists" as if our gushy touchy-feeliness were the reason and not our commitment to the rule of law. How about an AQ operative in the basement of every neocon supporter?

Yep Right-wingers now's your chance to do your part for the Global war on Reason. Feed them, clothe them and foot the bill. You can even interrogate them if you like but unfortunately with Bushy-Boy out of office you can't torture them anymore. If you lot are so sure they should be held indefinitely, cowboy up.
Ah the name calling, arrogance and belittling of those you disagree with. Reminds me of George W Bush.

budgie
04-08-2009, 09:58 PM
I like to think of myself as not dissimilar at times.

Actually in this case those I disagree with deserve to be belittled if their only suggestion is that liberals each take home a Gitmo captive. It's a stupid suggestion. There are plenty of options on the table for handling detainees after Gitmo and each has its merits and drawbacks. But there's this element of the "Keep it open!" crowd that seeks to suggest there's no other place for them to go* "What are we going to do with them? Will YOU take them in?" It detracts from the real arguments.

So yeah I poke fun.