Vermont Legislature legalizes gay marriage

[Bringer of Greater Things]

Vermont legalizes gay marriage with veto override


MONTPELIER, Vt. – Vermont on Tuesday became the fourth state to legalize gay marriage — and the first to do so with a legislature's vote.
The House recorded a dramatic 100-49 vote — the minimum needed — to override Gov. Jim Douglas' veto. Its vote followed a much easier override vote in the Senate, which rebuffed the Republican governor with a vote of 23-5.
Vermont was the first state to legalize civil unions for same-*** couples and joins Connecticut, Massachusetts and Iowa in giving gays the right to marry. Their approval of gay marriage came from the courts.
Tuesday morning's legislative action came less than a day after Douglas issued a veto message saying the bill would not improve the lot of gay and lesbian couples because it still would not provide them rights under federal and other states' laws.
House Speaker Shap Smith's announcement of the vote brought an outburst of jubilation from some of the hundreds packed into the gallery and the lobby outside the House chamber, despite the speaker's admonishment against such displays.
Among the celebrants in the lobby were former Rep. Robert Dostis, D-Waterbury, and his longtime partner, Chuck Kletecka. Dostis recalled efforts to expand gay rights dating to an anti-discrimination law passed in 1992.
"It's been a very long battle. It's been almost 20 years to get to this point," Dostis said. "I think finally, most people in Vermont understand that we're a couple like any other couple. We're as good and as bad as any other group of people. And now I think we have a chance to prove ourselves here on forward that we're good members of our community."
Dostis said he and Kletecka will celebrate their 25th year together in September.
"Is that a proposal?" Kletecka asked.
"Yeah," Dostis replied. "Twenty-five years together, I think it's time we finally got married."
Craig Bensen, a gay marriage opponent who had lobbied unsuccessfully for a nonbinding referendum on the question, said he was disappointed but believed gay marriage opponents were outspent by supporters by a 20-1 margin.
"The other side had a highly funded, extremely well-oiled machine with all the political leadership except the governor pushing to make this happen," he said. "The fact that it came down to this tight a vote is really astounding."
Also in the crowd was Michael Feiner, a farmer from Roxbury and gay marriage supporter, who took a break from collecting sap for maple syrup-making to come to the Statehouse.
"I'm taking a break to come and basically make sure that I was here to witness history," he said.
The House had initially passed the bill last week with a 95-52 vote.
(This version CORRECTS the spelling of Bensen.)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/gay_marriage_vermont

Good news for people who want to get hitched.
Especially since this was an act of the legislature, not a court decision.

[Lau]

What's the problem?

[Invisigoth]

Good on them, no reason not to.

[ayanami_tard]

how is the majority opinion?

[cone256]

how is the majority opinion?

Most people in my state are far left wing. However, people I've talked to just don't care if they can get married or not, because in reality it doesn't affect them at all. It was put best by one of my friends, "Why shouldn't gay people feel the pain, frustration, and unhappiness of marriage just like the rest of us poor bas***ds." haha

[WolverineBlue]

Cali Joe rejoices!

[el borracho]

Interesting, I'm surprised Iowa is on the legal list. If the people are satisfied with how their elected leaders voted, then I have no problem with it.

[Bringer of Greater Things]

how is the majority opinion?

I guess we'll find out at the next legislative election.

[WolverineBlue]

Interesting, I'm surprised Iowa is on the legal list. If the people are satisfied with how their elected leaders voted, then I have no problem with it.

You know how we roll here in Iowa...

[philbob]

good for them Im glad the state decieded too and not the federal goverment

[Aerosoul]

17 year old Vermont youth speaking on the issue.

http://www.youtube.com/v/QIoj0erp0RQ

[philbob]

someone sounds bitterp-)

honestly that sounds more like a shot to the girls in his class then the guys in the locker room.
I think he is the 'bottom' in the realtionship

[tomonator]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb255/tomosail/hosting%20photos/2005031101_Display-35.gif

[California Joe]

Cali Joe rejoices!

WooHoo!!!...er....I mean...EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW! :)

Hehe, actually up where I live in the boonies, there are less lefties and more loggers and deer hunters. Personally I don't care.

[Kilgor]

http://www.suspect-device.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01//this-is-an-outrage.jpg

[WarDancer]

And the unraveling of America's moral fiber continues.

[philbob]

And the unraveling of America's moral fiber continues.

common war dancer at least another 800 billion dollars wernt spent.....yet

[California Joe]

This part of the article made me giggle..."extremely well-oiled machine..."

[Kit]

So instead of gay people having ***, they will have *** with rings on their fingers. Thrilling.

People can get married in whatever way they please. But my Christian marriage will be my Christian marriage, and I intend to keep the sanctity of that marriage. It's all a part in living in a secular society, and that's cool by me.

Personally, I don't think it's the state's responsibility to monitor any marriage.

[philbob]

So instead of gay people having ***, they will have *** with rings on their fingers. Thrilling.

People can get married in whatever way they please. But my Christian marriage will be my Christian marriage, and I intend to keep the sanctity of that marriage. It's all a part in living in a secular society, and that's cool by me.

Personally, I don't think it's the state's responsibility to monitor any marriage.

agreed


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[budgie]

And the unraveling of America's moral fiber continues.

Get over it.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=802&pictureid=12065

[MaverickCowboy]

And the unraveling of America's moral fiber continues.

yes, because being gay and monogamous is immoral?

[Mofreaka]

There is nothing wrong with gay marriage, although, i'm from MA so i might be a little influenced by the culture around here. Seriously though, it's such a big deal when it really shouldn't be. For a country that is all about freedom of everything we still have a long way to go.

[WarDancer]

yes, because being gay and monogamous is immoral?

Gay = immoral. I dont give a sam hell if the homo****** is monogamous or has multiple partners. Immoral is immoral.

[plato]

Gay = immoral. I dont give a sam hell if the homo****** is monogamous or has multiple partners. Immoral is immoral.
Do you have another definition of "immoral"? Immoral is .....

[Blue_0]

Marriage is often an institution governed heavily by religion. By definition the state should not be involved with marriage as the states involvement violates the principle of the seperate of church and state in most cases.

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There is nothing morally wrong with what two or more consenting adults do on private property that does not violate the secular law of the land.

-- Bluelight

[Macs.]

Do you have another definition of "immoral"? Immoral is .....

I think it's pretty immoral to IGNORE YOUR WONDERFUL FREEDOM 100% USA, and take a ISRAELI FLAG as your avatar.

Highly disrespectful to the US and 100% immoral.

Oink oink.

[Cipher]

Gay = immoral. I dont give a sam hell if the homo****** is monogamous or has multiple partners. Immoral is immoral.
Why and how exactly is it immoral?

[Holycrusader]

Gay = immoral. I dont give a sam hell if the homo****** is monogamous or has multiple partners. Immoral is immoral.

Using "Idem per idem" definition makes all your arguments invalid...

Good job Vermont.

[PeterRJG]

Gay = immoral. I dont give a sam hell if the homo****** is monogamous or has multiple partners. Immoral is immoral.

If you think it's immoral here's a hint: don't marry a gay and don't bend over and take one for the team.

[Flagg]

And the unraveling of America's moral fiber continues.

I for one would like to see a diet including far more fibre to hopefully sh!t out the turds who are financially ruining the country......ya know....something actually important

I care far less about a man's weird personal desire to pack fudge with another dude than I do about his desire to see fair democracy and a sustainable economy.

[futurepilot2004]

Looks like Washington DC is next to legalize.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/07/dc.marriage/index.html

One quote from the piece

family Research Council President Tony Perkins on Tuesday condemned the votes in Vermont and Washington.
Don't Mis

"Same-*** 'marriage' is a movement driven by wealthy homo****** activists and a liberal elite determined to destroy not only the institution of marriage, but democracy as well. Time and again, we see when citizens have the opportunity to vote at the ballot box, they consistently opt to support traditional marriage," Perkins said.

What is it with the gay marriage thing that brings out the crazies???? Gays are trying to kill democracy??? thats a new one :D

[Eztyga]

Weeeeee, Vermont is on the gay plane...

Ah, good on 'em, who cares what consenting adults do.

[LuKaZz]

That's a step in the right direction.

[khukuri]

Welcome to 20th century

[tomonator]

Do you have another definition of "immoral"? Immoral is .....

Immoral- is one of those words holy rollers use to judge other peoples behavior. Like "evil doers". Apparently they have the "moral" authority to apply these words to people they don't know. Sounds very Christian.

[toki]

WarDancer, it's ok that you think homo******ity is immoral, but why do you spend so much time on a predominantly gay website like militaryphotos.net?

We love ourselves a ToF (http://archive.salon.com/health/***/urge/2000/04/08/tom_finland/story.gif).

[IanSolo]

But everyone should tell what he thinks pro-gay or against-gay, in these days if someone is against gays is marked like a medieval person.

[MaverickCowboy]

Immoral- is one of those words holy rollers use to judge other peoples behavior. Like "evil doers". Apparently they have the "moral" authority to apply these words to people they don't know. Sounds very Christian.

there are alot of gay Christians and gay churches that would disagree.

[Holycrusader]

WarDancer, it's ok that you think homo******ity is immoral, but why do you spend so much time on a predominantly gay website like militaryphotos.net?

We love ourselves a ToF (http://archive.salon.com/health/***/urge/2000/04/08/tom_finland/story.gif).


Good question...
I think most of those gayphobes are cryptogay's. In other case why they will be care so much about the gay's issues.

[MaverickCowboy]

Good question...
I think most of those gayphobes are cryptogay's. In other case why they will be care so much about the gay's issues.

lets ask em on a date then'

[Lau]

Good question...
I think most of those gayphobes are cryptogay's. In other case why they will be care so much about the gay's issues.

WarDancer is gay? Nooooo... ;)

Anyway, I cant find one single reason why anyone should give a **** about gay marriage.

[tomonator]

there are alot of gay Christians and gay churches that would disagree.

That is true. I was speaking of the hypocrisy of "religious" people using their vocabulary buzz words as objections to gays having equal rights.

[Kilgor]

I for one would like to see a diet including far more fibre to hopefully sh!t out the turds who are financially ruining the country......ya know....something actually important

I care far less about a man's weird personal desire to pack fudge with another dude than I do about his desire to see fair democracy and a sustainable economy.

X2 chocolate love is nothing compared to the mass carnage and destruction of society caused by the GFC.

[Kit]

Gay = immoral. I dont give a sam hell if the homo****** is monogamous or has multiple partners. Immoral is immoral.

"Immoral" things you can do in the United States:
-One night stands
-Swear like a sailor
-Lie
-Cheat on your spouse
-Masturbate to ****ography
-Smoke till your lungs are black
-Give your parents the finger
-Have orgies
-Get married in Vegas
-Watch reality shows
...I could go on

Go ahead. Throw gay marriage on the pile. It's not like our nation is holy and pious. Those who are pious be pious and those who aren't, do what you do. Be concerned with the moral fiber within the church.

[pascalywood]

Those homos will take our rights in a swift and fabulous manner. Just wanted to let you know.

But by the way, good job Vermont, who cares if two men want to get married. Theyll ask for a divorce when they realise how much trouble it is.

[toki]

"Immoral" things you can do in the United States:

give 14 year olds hooker haircuts, put ****star makeup on them and put them in a Disney show called Hannah Montana.

Then be outraged for the decay of virtues when said actress has a picture in the papers where she is a bit bareback, but looks rather natural.

Just my observation :)

Don't they also have those baby-doll child beauty pageants in the most conservative places in the US? THAT is immoral as well.