Barack Obama rejects Normandy trip to avoid offending Germany

[KVLG]

White House officials travelled to France at the start of March to discuss a visit by Mr Obama to Omaha Beach, the site of the American Cemetery, established in 1944 just after D-Day and where 9,387 American personnel are buried. Among them is Theodore Roosevelt Jr the eldest son of the 26th US President.
French officials and senior American military officers walked with White House staff through the cemetery discussing how the two presidents might follow the same route. But even before their trip, the White House had decided that Mr Obama would not travel there this week.

(Rest of the article below)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5096803/Barack-Obama-rejects-Normandy-trip-to-avoid-offending-Germany.html

[ZeroZen]

I'm very offended when Pres. Obama administration propose a reconciliation with the Taliban. Visiting the soldiers who died for the freedom of europe, not because of current Germany but against the Nazi. Well, lets not fracking celebrate independence cause were going to offend the British.

[wicked_hind]

My conscience will let this one slide just this once, just as long he doesn't miss the June 6th 65th anniversary ceremony.

[philbob]

My conscience will let this one slide just this once, just as long he doesn't miss the June 6th 65th anniversary ceremony.

that will be telling

[Havoc345]

Jesus ****ing Christ come the **** on with this bull****. It's not like modern day Germany holds the Nazi's in any esteem so what is his point ? I guess his common sense comes and goes

[little icebear]

I'm very offended when Pres. Obama administration propose a reconciliation with the Taliban. Visiting the soldiers who died for the freedom of europe, not because of current Germany but against the Nazi. Well, lets not fracking celebrate independence cause were going to offend the British.

You read the article in the link?

It´s about offending the Brits and the Germans if he had spent more time for bilateral talks with the French then with the Brits and Germans.


"We went through the motions to placate President Sarkozy but giving special treatment to France was not on our agenda.

"During this trip, we wanted to maintain a balance between the British, German and France".
"

It has NOTHING to do with sensitivities about WW2.

Makes me wonder about KVLGs intentions. To me, the title and the incomplete quote looks like he´s trying to mislead lazy readers like you folks.

Edit:

Had a look at the first page of the politics and rants section. 3 or 4 Anti-Obama Threads started by KVLG on the first page. Frankly I don´t care.
But selective quoting in order to make it look as if Obama ignored the sacrifice of allied soldiers in order to appease Germany (since when did anybody consider this to be neccessary anyway?) makes you my retard of the day. Congrats.

[Mu-Meson]

Oh noes KVLG! We've been discovered. Quick, back to the neo-con secret base to plan our next incomplete quotation attack!

[HR24]

Barry is becoming more and more "the gay" as each day passes......

[KVLG]

You read the article in the link?

It´s about offending the Brits and the Germans if he had spent more time for bilateral talks with the French then with the Brits and Germans.


"

It has NOTHING to do with sensitivities about WW2.

Makes me wonder about KVLGs intentions. To me, the title and the incomplete quote looks like he´s trying to mislead lazy readers like you folks.

Edit:

Had a look at the first page of the politics and rants section. 3 or 4 Anti-Obama Threads started by KVLG on the first page. Frankly I don´t care.
But selective quoting in order to make it look as if Obama ignored the sacrifice of allied soldiers in order to appease Germany (since when did anybody consider this to be neccessary anyway?) makes you my retard of the day. Congrats.

That was the title of the article. Blame the author of the piece, I just wanted to see what the people over here would think about it. And as for spending more time with the French than the Brits or Germans, couldn't he have paid a visit to the memorial and cemetery regardless? Or found a way to make it up to the Germans or British?

[KVLG]

Oh noes KVLG! We've been discovered. Quick, back to the neo-con secret base to plan our next incomplete quotation attack!

Curses and drat! We've been found out! Yes, we must fall back to the super secret neo-con/Illuminati/UN Black Helicopter base on the dark side of the moon and devise another EVIL PLAN FOR WORLD DOMINATION(tm).

[G-AWZT]

Nice one "O". Change we CAN believe in.

[millertime]

If Obama thinks that a visit to an American Cemetery is going to offend the British and the Germans... HE'S A ****ING MORON.

I doubt that anyone anywhere would look at a visit to a cemetery for American war heroes as spending too much time with the French. If they did.. they are the ****ing morons.

This touchy feely "don't want to offend anyone" **** has got to stop.

[G-AWZT]

This touchy feely "don't want to offend anyone" **** has got to stop.



It will only after we're attacked here at home I'm afraid.

[boone]

Did anyone read the article? Anyone?

[G-AWZT]

Obama better have June 6th marked. He owes it to the Allied vets. I'm sure he'll be there, it would be a huge slap in the face not to.

[WarDancer]

And yet BHO somehow found the time to visit a Muslim Mosque in Turkey.

[LoboCanada]

Did anyone read the article? Anyone?

LOL. I noticed that too. Why read the entire article then make a comment when you can just make a comment based on the title? Symbolic.

[Netzach]

White House officials travelled to France at the start of March to discuss a visit by Mr Obama to Omaha Beach, the site of the American
Cemetery, established in 1944 just after D-Day and where 9,387 American personnel are buried. Among them is Theodore Roosevelt Jr
the eldest son of the 26th US President. French officials and senior American military officers walked with White House staff through the
cemetery discussing how the two presidents might follow the same route. But even before their trip, the White House had decided that
Mr Obama would not travel there this week. "It wasn't going to happen," said an American official in Washington. "We went through the
motions to placate President Sarkozy but giving special treatment to France was not on our agenda. "During this trip, we wanted to
maintain a balance between the British, German and France". A White House spokesman in London declined to comment. Last month,
White House officials briefed that a Normandy visit had been considered but it had not been logistically possible. Mr Obama will arrive in
Strasbourg on Friday for the Nato summit. He will hold a meeting with Mr Sarkozy and a brief press appearance in Strasbourg and then fly
to Baden-Baden to do exactly the same with Chancellor Merkel of Germany. He will then fly to Prague on Saturday. Mr Sarkozy is said by
French officials to be piqued that Gordon Brown became the first European leader to meet Mr Obama and was then lavished with praise by
him at a 50-minute joint press conference in London on Wednesday. The French president tried unsuccessfully to meet Mr Obama before
he was sworn in after the G20 summit in Washington last November, even stationing a French military plane on 24-hour standby nearby to
whisk him to Chicago should the then US president-elect change his mind. He had also hoped Mr Obama would agree to a meeting before
attending the G20 summit in London on April 3. The French had suggested that Mr Obama fly from London to Normandy on Friday morning
for a stop before the Nato summit. Instead, he is going directly to Strasbourg. According to French reports, Mr Obama was to visit the
Normandy American Cemetery and Memorial at Colleville-sur-mer, just north of Omaha Beach. The pair were apparently to have dined at
the nearby chateau de Bénouville in Caen. The White House rejected the offer, but Mr Sarkozy's most senior aide said Mr Obama
had agreed to come back in June for the 65th anniversary of the June 6th 1944, D-Day landings. A White House spokesman declined to
comment on whether Mr Obama would travel to France in June. "This will allow for a longer conversation and a more ambitious bilateral visit,"
said Claude Gueant, the secretary general of the Elysée Palace, last week. He denied any strains and said the two held an hour-long
videoconference, which the Elysée hyped up as a "mini-summit", on the economic crisis. "Relations between the presidents are excellent
and very productive," he said. "Mr Sarkozy is not courting Mr Obama," he said.





This is a total disgrace.

Obama must be staffed by advisors who have no sense of history, or the sacrifices made by British, Canadian, and American servicemen on the
Normandy Landing Beaches. This would also be also be hugely offensive to the French. Even President Bush made the journey to pay his respects
at the allied cemetary in Normandy in 2002. The cost of the security operation would be high, but so was the cost of lives sacrificed on our behalf
to protect and preserve our freedom back in 1944.

Bush Speaks of Heroism and Sacrifice in Normandy (http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/28/world/bush-speaks-of-heroism-and-sacrifice-at-cemetery-in-normandy.html?fta=y&pagewanted=all)

[Telmar]

According to the article, it's more something against meeting with Sarkozy than about offending the Germans.

But it is a shame. And I'm sure many French people would have been happy about Obama visiting the beaches, not as Obama, but as the the President of the United States.

In a way, his non-visit is more offensive to France than his visit being offensive to Germany.

[Netzach]

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[millertime]

Did anyone read the article? Anyone?


Yes.

Blah blah blah... didn't want to spend too much time with Sarkozy.

Good excuse to avoid spending time somewhere that won't be filled with the screaming masses. Who's going to stroke his ego at a cemetery?

[millertime]

LOL. I noticed that too. Why read the entire article then make a comment when you can just make a comment based on the title? Symbolic.

I read it, but the fact that he didn't go when he was that close is what pissed me off.

It's his duty as the POTUS to pay his respects to those that died in service of this country.

[Sufficient]

I am starting to like the new American president more and more. Let's face it, the D-day is mostly a very symbolic event (for Americans more than for Europeans) rather than one that truly "changed the war". What is the point in offending Germany for something that lacks relevance in the modern 21th century European context?

Look at the amount of casualties, a few thousand soldiers died during the Normandy landings. While that is high number compared to the battlefields of today, it's hardly anything in the world war two context. At the same time Operation Overlord was launched in the West Soviet Union launched the Fourth strategic offensive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_strategic_offensive) on the Eastern front with (I would say) an outcome of equal strategic importance.

The Europe of today is different from the Europe during the Cold War. There's no reason to continue Cold War traditions in a post-Cold War world.


It's his duty as the POTUS to pay his respects to those that died in service of this country.

Then again he didn't show any disrespect either. He just likes to do things differently, in the 21th century way.

[AL-Khalid]

And yet BHO somehow found the time to visit a Muslim Mosque in Turkey.

And what if he paid a visit to some jewish synagouge, i am sure u would be dancing with joy. Why u people are so sensitive about anti semnitism when u hate muslims so much ?

[muck]

In 2004 then Chancellor Gerhard Schröder took part in the official festivities and each year the German military sends delegations to the Normandy. Basically to commemorate the defeat of their own country, you might argue. It's the other way around I'd say: We can commemorate the 6th of June 1944 too: It was the day where our liberation began as well.

Funny manipulative way of writing though: The headline the Telegraph editors have picked is utterly misleading.

[toki]

Did anyone read the article? Anyone?

Nobody. The general retardation is offending. Someone close this thread.

[LoboCanada]

Agreed^ Do people not realize that he did not want to show any preferential treatment to any country, and by visiting Normandy it would show that he was more concerned with France than others. Plus it was logistics wouldn't allow.\

Edit: F it, no point arguing if nobody read the article.

[Telmar]

I am starting to like the new American president more and more. Let's face it, the D-day is mostly a very symbolic event (for Americans more than for Europeans) rather than one that truly "changed the war". What is the point in offending Germany for something that lacks relevance in the modern 21th century European context?

Look at the amount of casualties, a few thousand soldiers died during the Normandy landings. While that is high number compared to the battlefields of today, it's hardly anything in the world war two context. At the same time Operation Overlord was launched in the West Soviet Union launched the Fourth strategic offensive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_strategic_offensive) on the Eastern front with (I would say) an outcome of equal strategic importance.

The Europe of today is different from the Europe during the Cold War. There's no reason to continue Cold War traditions in a post-Cold War world.



Then again he didn't show any disrespect either. He just likes to do things differently, in the 21th century way.

When honouring the soldiers fallen in Normandy, we honour all the soldiers fallen for the liberation of Europe against nazism. Granted more the US, British and Canadian than others, but it is quite self evident why, and it has nothing to do with the Cold War.

One day, the fate of such celebrations will tone down, as the celebrations for the end of WWI will do, but now is still not the time. Veterans and their Fallen Fellows should continue to be honoured.

The French will hold celebrations as planned, but I think it is a shame that the President of the USA does not want to come, especially only because he does not want to see Sarkozy. Granted Sarko can be very annoying, but he is not the only annoying person Obama will have to face in his presidency.

http://www.franceguide.com/bd_doc/241_200901292414.pdf

[Netzach]

Actually, the Telegraph article is well written, and to the point. A week is a long time in politics. Seven days ago Mr Obama was enjoying
hospitality from the Queen at Buckingham palace. This is a formal tradition of courtesy and respect between respective Heads of State.
However, some in this thread would advocate that it is a more valuable use of time for Obama to attend a ceremonial tea party, rather
than make a gesture that most of his predecessors would have considered both a duty and an honour. “A few thousand” says ‘Sufficient’
More like ‘Insufficient’ as far as I’m concerned.

The timing would not coincide with the June anniversary date, or even the Liberation anniversary date, but it is a missed opportunity. If it's
that important for Obama to personally exert pressure on NATO for more troops, rather than delegate the task to his Foreign Secretary, he
will have the boom lowered on him by Merkel and Sarkozy in no uncertain terms.

[Sufficient]

The timing does not coincide with the June anniversary date, or even the Liberation anniversary date, but it is a missed opportunity.

And here we have it. Had he been there it would have been a missed opportunity for something else (of equal importance?). When the appropriate time comes I am sure Mr. Obama will be where he is supposed to be.

[futurepilot2004]

This is a total disgrace.

Obama must be staffed by advisors who have no sense of history, or the sacrifices made by British, Canadian, and American servicemen on the
Normandy Landing Beaches. This would also be also be hugely offensive to the French. Even President Bush made the journey to pay his respects
at the allied cemetary in Normandy in 2002. The cost of the security operation would be high, but so was the cost of lives sacrificed on our behalf
to protect and preserve our freedom back in 1944.

Bush Speaks of Heroism and Sacrifice in Normandy (http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/28/world/bush-speaks-of-heroism-and-sacrifice-at-cemetery-in-normandy.html?fta=y&pagewanted=all)

well done for clearly not bothering to read the article :roll:


The White House rejected the offer, but Mr Sarkozy's most senior aide said Mr Obama had agreed to come back in June for the 65th anniversary of the June 6th 1944, D-Day landings.

[Arfah]

Well, lets not fracking celebrate independence cause were going to offend the British.

We're not bothered about the 4th July or American Independence. We're only upset that the Spanish, Dutch and especially the French aren't invited as they more than played their part. :)p-)

2014 is the 70th Anniversary of Op. Overlord. That's probably the best time to have a massive comemoration of 'D-Day'

As for cancelling a visit because of upsetting the Germans... The war was fought against Nazism, Fascism and oppression. I believe that modern Germany is democratic so why would they have a problem ? The German people were victims of Hitler too.

As long as 'the people' remember. That's the important bit.

[toki]

The timing does not coincide with the June anniversary date, or even the Liberation anniversary date, but it is a missed opportunity. If it is
that important for Obama to personally exert pressure on NATO for more troops, rather than delegate the task to his Foreign Secretary, he
will have the boom lowered on him by Merkel and Sarkozy in no uncertain terms.

It's simply about a tightly scheduled trip to visit a few leaders in Europe. You do not simply delay one or two days for an unplanned trip and let the next country/leader wait and cut it from their precious time. That's it.

White House officials briefed that a Normandy visit had been considered but it had not been logistically possible.

If the visit to Normandy would have been that imortant this time, it would have been scheduled beforehand. Those presidential trips are a pain in the arse for the host, organisation wise and it's simply not nice to let them wait. I think it's that easy.

[Netzach]

well done for clearly not bothering to read the article

You may have noticed I quoted the entire article for those too idle to follow the link.


The French president tried unsuccessfully to meet Mr Obama before he was sworn in after the G20 summit in Washington last November,
even stationing a French military plane on 24-hour standby nearby to whisk him to Chicago should the then US president-elect change
his mind. He had also hoped Mr Obama would agree to a meeting before attending the G20 summit in London on April 3. The French had
suggested that Mr Obama fly from London to Normandy on Friday morning for a stop before the Nato summit. Instead, he is going directly
to Strasbourg.

Of course the June date allows more time to arrange for security. We shall have to wait and see if that visit is approved by the White House.
However, this was a missed opportunity, particularly in advance of the NATO summit, which would have focused priorities on the similarities of
the mission today, and the mission sixty five years ago, which eventually lead to formation of the NATO Alliance.

[Holycrusader]

And yet BHO somehow found the time to visit a Muslim Mosque in Turkey.


Haja Sophia is a MUSEUM, not a mosque!!!!

[gaijinsamurai]

Damn! Now Wardancer will have to find another way to try to convince us that Obama's a secret Muslim! Maybe he can write his middle name every time he mentions him!

[Migs]

haha.....its only been a few months, can't wait to see what he does in the next 4 yrs
(i wonder what the German's think about this)

[toki]

well done for clearly not bothering to read the article :roll:


Did anyone read the article? Anyone?


Nobody. The general retardation is offending. Someone close this thread.


Agreed^ Do people not realize that he did not want to show any preferential treatment to any country, and by visiting Normandy it would show that he was more concerned with France than others. Plus it was logistics wouldn't allow.\

Edit: F it, no point arguing if nobody read the article.


haha.....its only been a few months, can't wait to see what he does in the next 4 yrs
(i wonder what the German's think about this)

The Germans think, that you should read the article.

[Holycrusader]

Damn! Now Wardancer will have to find another way to try to convince us that Obama's a secret Muslim! Maybe he can write his middle name every time he mentions him!

He should write middle name in green color using capital letters. That would convice me ;)

Hagia Sopia its museum from 1935 :)

[Itachi]

thats a very nice move of obama, but not necessary.

[muck]

thats a very nice move of obama, but not necessary.Yeah, because we sickos from Europe love him anyway. 200,000 people came to see his speech in Berlin. Probably not even the half of that number watch the Chancellor's anual speech in television.

[Gordon]

Well, the bit I would find offensive, if I was French is this


"We went through the motions to placate President Sarkozy but giving special treatment to France was not on our agenda."

So basically they all got strung along and everyone wasted a bunch of time working out routes and crap just to placate the French President! What a great way to do business ... especially when you decide to issue a press release saying exactly that. Usually when you're trying to placate someone you don't actually tell them that's what you're doing.

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[Netzach]

^
You mean France Vingt Quatre p-)

[ZeroZen]

We're not bothered about the 4th July or American Independence. We're only upset that the Spanish, Dutch and especially the French aren't invited as they more than played their part. :)p-)

2014 is the 70th Anniversary of Op. Overlord. That's probably the best time to have a massive comemoration of 'D-Day'

As for cancelling a visit because of upsetting the Germans... The war was fought against Nazism, Fascism and oppression. I believe that modern Germany is democratic so why would they have a problem ? The German people were victims of Hitler too.

As long as 'the people' remember. That's the important bit.

lol..1234567890

[millertime]

I read the article!... and still think he's a pretentious asshole.


Why is it that if anyone feels he was in the wrong, they are immediately accused of not reading the article.

[Connaught Ranger]

I read the whole article linked and nowhere does it say the President of the United Sates refused to go to Normandy!!

It does say "the White House" and "White House Officials" rejected the visit.

So as the President didn't refuse to do anything,

perhaps it would be better if the thread title was changed to sooth the

Anti-Obama Crew :roll:

[AL-Khalid]

Like wardancer.

[muck]

Why is it that if anyone feels he was in the wrong, they are immediately accused of not reading the article.Because the headline, the cited bits of the articles and most member comments in here sound like Obama had refused to participate in the June 6th commemoration festivities to avoid offending the heirs of Nazi Germany?

[millertime]

If he really wanted to go, regardless to what his staff suggested, he could have gone.

Like I said... not enough flash bulbs or screaming fans.

[muck]

Bollocks, the explanation for the refusal has been given and sounds quite reasonable to me.
I'm no fan of the guy either but I'd try constructive criticism instead of hypocritical rants.

[LazerLordz]

If he really wanted to go, regardless to what his staff suggested, he could have gone.

Like I said... not enough flash bulbs or screaming fans.

When you have served time in a position that you don't have full independance of movement, due to protocol, security and logisitical reasons.. perhaps then you will understand.

Like many have said, read the whole article to get the whole gist of the issue. Too many people are letting headlines mediate the view of the world for them.

[Netzach]

This was the original headline,

Barack Obama rejects Normandy trip to avoid offending Germany
I must admit to boarding the outrage bus, and hope it's duly noted.

Preparations to assemble world leaders at the Normandy Landing Beaches in 2002 lasted several weeks - airspace was increasingly restricted
until eventually, most of the Cherbourg Peninsula was prohibited. They even deployed SAM batteries at various locations - so I concede that
the Sarkozy proposal, however well intentioned, was not practical from a logistical point of view. I will be watching Obamas appointments diary
with more than passing interest on 6th June.

[millertime]

When you have served time in a position that you don't have full independance of movement, due to protocol, security and logisitical reasons.. perhaps then you will understand.

Like many have said, read the whole article to get the whole gist of the issue. Too many people are letting headlines mediate the view of the world for them.

I read it... still think its crap.

So his staff want's to be where the cameras are.

Since when did the POTUS not have the ability to tell people to FACK OFF! He's the "messiah" is he not untouchable. Besides with the love Europe has for him, what's there to worry about in regards to security. That he will be hugged to death.



AGAIN... I READ THE ****ING ARTICLE!!!!

I guess my disapproval of the current Spender in Chief/UN Puppet is preventing me from seeing any good in his actions, just as the Obama worshipers believe he can do no wrong.

[Macs.]

I read it... still think its crap.

So his staff want's to be where the cameras are.

Since when did the POTUS not have the ability to tell people to FACK OFF!

Because taxpayers of both continents are spending millions over millions for his safety which includes a set up route that has been pinned down months before.

It included thousands of police officers, security personnel and co, hundreds of security personnel have checked out locations that will be visited months before and have set up a clear plan on how things are to be organised.

He was there to visit the G20 and the NATO foremost.

So if we lock down a whole city, have dozens of helicopters in the air, snipers and special intervention teams, and not to speak of the thousands of people of "normal" workforce and the leaders of different nations on hold, you don't say "OH, can you put that back a bit, I decided to go somewhere else first."

[WarDancer]

I read the whole article linked and nowhere does it say the President of the United Sates refused to go to Normandy!!

It does say "the White House" and "White House Officials" rejected the visit.

So as the President didn't refuse to do anything,

perhaps it would be better if the thread title was changed to sooth the

Anti-Obama Crew :roll:

So you're saying he doesnt even have control of his handlers? Thats even more disturbing! Can anyone say "Puppet"?

[WarDancer]

Haja Sophia is a MUSEUM, not a mosque!!!!

Tomatoe, tomahtoh!

[Raptus_regaliter]

Tomatoe, tomahtoh!

Pull you head out of your ass. No offense.

[WarDancer]

This was the original headline,

Barack Obama rejects Normandy trip to avoid offending Germany
I must admit to boarding the outrage bus, and hope it's duly noted.

Preparations to assemble world leaders at the Normandy Landing Beaches in 2002 lasted several weeks - airspace was increasingly restricted
until eventually, most of the Cherbourg Peninsula was prohibited. They even deployed SAM batteries at various locations - so I concede that
the Sarkozy proposal, however well intentioned, was not practical from a logistical point of view. I will be watching Obamas appointments diary
with more than passing interest on 6th June.

Yet he was able to make a "surprise" visit to Baghdad, a friggin virtual warzone! Sorry, BHO's anti-military stance is becoming more and more evident each passing day.

[Macs.]

Yet he was able to make a "surprise" visit to Baghdad

Yeah, I bet they didn't plan it beforehand, you genius... :roll:

There are reasons they don't say it out loud before, these trips of VIP to such locations are always "surprises".

[Connaught Ranger]

So you're saying he doesnt even have control of his handlers? Thats even more disturbing! Can anyone say "Puppet"?

Like any head of State, he has a Staff, who plan an itinerary for him, you really think he has the time to plan his own routine on a day to day basis:roll:

Connaught Ranger.

[little icebear]

Oh my gosh... please just find some reason to impeach Obama for being a socialist/defeatist/muslim/illegal alien and put **** Cheney and the whole lot of the old neocon-regime back in the White House instead.
Let Condi be the President, she´s black AND a woman.
If it only ended the flood of borderline-retarded Anti-Obama threads, started and stirred by professional half-wits and fulltime morons like WarDancer, I´d be more than ready to offer my full support.

[Netzach]

...BHO's anti-military stance is becoming more and more evident each passing day.

With the assistance of his current Secretary of Defence.

[Fuschimuschi]

Some of you Anti-Obama guys don't sound a lot more rational than the nutjobs at stormfront these days.

[khukuri]

the rightwingers here are simply pissed off with the fact that bush got a lot of flak from the world and media. To give obama the same, they have make **** up instead.

[G-AWZT]

the rightwingers here are simply pissed off with the fact that bush got a lot of flak from the world and media. To give obama the same, they have make **** up instead.




Nobody said being Pres. was easy. Develop some thick skin Mr Obama, not everyone's gonna love you.

[budgie]

Damn! Now Wardancer will have to find another way to try to convince us that Obama's a secret Muslim! Maybe he can write his middle name every time he mentions him!


Well I have noticed the BHO acronym has become popular amongst a certain set at mp.net. It's not quite the same as screaming HUSSEIN! all the time, but we get the message.

[Netzach]

How is it possible to construe from any of these posts if a member has a particular political orientation. In broader terms, what I've noticed
is a more tolerant approach on this site toward members who express criticism of either administration. Previously, it was near impossible to
make any negative comment on the Bush government, but in the context of the subject under discussion here, I wish he were still in office,
at least he would have had the judgement to consider a visit to the Normandy American Cemetery a higher priority than attending the fish
and goose soiree in Baden Baden, or indeed, swanning around in a Turkish museum.

[charpan]

this probably comes along other foreign policy reforms like talks to cuba and so.

[KVLG]

How is it possible to construe from any of these posts if a member has a particular political orientation. In broader terms, what I've noticed
is a more tolerant approach on this site toward members who express criticism of either administration. Previously, it was near impossible to
make any negative comment on the Bush government, but in the context of the subject under discussion here, I wish he were still in office,
at least he would have had the judgement to consider a visit to the Normandy American Cemetery a higher priority than attending the fish
and goose soiree in Baden Baden, or indeed, swanning around in a Turkish museum.

Maybe. Even though I'm no fan of some of Bush's policies.

[toki]

I wish he were still in office,
at least he would have had the judgement to consider a visit to the Normandy American Cemetery a higher priority than attending the fish
and goose soiree in Baden Baden, or indeed, swanning around in a Turkish museum.
Of course a fish and goose soiree in Baden Baden is more important than an extended trip inside France if you want to work out routes with Germany, which is also on the list of visits. If an American president wants to be heard, he can't simply come in a day late and walk out after dinner.
This is called foreign policy.

And who said, a visit to the normandy isn't scheduled this year? Do YOU know?
Everything has its time.

[Netzach]

And who said, a visit to the normandy isn't scheduled this year? Do YOU know?
Everything has its time.

As soon as they start to NOTAM the airspace like the last time, I will let you know.

[Late edit]

Well, wouldn't you know. I checked in on Basesops this evening, where this subject is also under discussion,
(although their concerns were more over the exaggerated bow made by Obama when he was presented to
Saudi King Abdullah at the G20) and discovered a link which confirms that there will probably be a visit.

That information was in the public domain over a period of several days, before this thread was generated.

This thread was started on 7th April, with a link to a newspaper article printed on 2nd April, however, it has
emerged that a statement agreed between Sarkozy and Obama was released to the Associated Press on
3rd April which would seem to indicate that they plan to visit Normandy for the D-Day anniversary in June.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iOmBrSJce9WwmkDD2o9EU8KT0RxAD97AVDP80

So, we can all stand easy, and focus on that Obama genuflection to the Saudi King.

.

[LazerLordz]

Methinks that paradigm shifts, even subtle ones, tend to inspire allergy outbreaks of some sort.

Also, headlines and news articles are never the most accurate, nor neutral sources of news. Perhaps his staff buggered the planning, perhaps he merely intended to visit Normandy another time, perhaps he felt he had to visit the troops in Baghdad..

Many things, but we may never have the whole picture, will we.