Interesting dogfight over Serbia

[shadowsrider]

Unfortunatelly I cannot share any link but maybe someone can do this.
Yesterday in History Channel I saw the description of a very interesting dogfight.
F-15 was escorting F-117s in raid to Belgrade while they were informed about incoming foe aircraft from 9 o'clock. F-15 turned and detected a MiG-29 at distance 40km. Immediatelly the pilot launched 2 AMRAAMs.
Now interesting part comes. On the way between MiG and Eagle there was a hidden F-117 seen by no other pilot. AMRAAMs nearly hit the Nighthawk - it was reported that one missed F-117 cockpit by 0,5 meter and the other went next to engine.
Did you meet this incident?

To finish up: both AMRAAMs missed and Eagle and Fulcrum started seeing each other. Eagle launched another AMRAAM and both aircraft started maneuvring: Fulcrum was incoming for close combat. Finally AMRAAM found the target and Serb pilot was downed.

[flanker7]

Passing 0.5 metres from the F-117 would trigger the proximity fuze

[Briggs]

Did they also give a date as to when that incident occured?

Are you trying to imply that perhaps the Serbian shot down F-117 might have been a 'Blue on Blue' / Friendly Fire incident?

[Get_It]

I have seen this on a documentary on the History Channel. I think that it was on "Dogfights". By your description of the events I think that it was the same one.

Cheers,

[khalifah]

i think i know which one your talking about, did this happen during the night?

well, either way I cant find the one im thinking about on youtube, but im certian your talking about the show "dogfights"

[Hispeed1]

Maybe that's how that one F-117 was really shot down-oops!

[thend]

Yes there were dogfights also over Macedonias sky

[loganinkosovo]

One mig burned in not to far from the wire of the camp I was on in Bosnia.

They didn't last long.

[budgie]

Passing 0.5 metres from the F-117 would trigger the proximity fuze

I often find these history channel and other docs can be loose with stats when compared to Janes etc... perpaps it wasn't that close after all? Or perhaps the prox fuse was disabled?

[Bulletproof]

Unfortunatelly I cannot share any link but maybe someone can do this.
Yesterday in History Channel I saw the description of a very interesting dogfight.
F-15 was escorting F-117s in raid to Belgrade while they were informed about incoming foe aircraft from 9 o'clock. F-15 turned and detected a MiG-29 at distance 40km. Immediatelly the pilot launched 2 AMRAAMs.
Now interesting part comes. On the way between MiG and Eagle there was a hidden F-117 seen by no other pilot. AMRAAMs nearly hit the Nighthawk - it was reported that one missed F-117 cockpit by 0,5 meter and the other went next to engine.
Did you meet this incident?

To finish up: both AMRAAMs missed and Eagle and Fulcrum started seeing each other. Eagle launched another AMRAAM and both aircraft started maneuvring: Fulcrum was incoming for close combat. Finally AMRAAM found the target and Serb pilot was downed.

Hahaha! You're lucking man, I just read this story this morning! I was looking for the meaning of "Splash One" and ended up on this page. How strange.

It's the third story:
http://www.iamfritz.com/Fritzfx/miltales.html

[shadowsrider]

Thans, yes this story is there :)
And yes, it was "Dogfights"

[Rapier55]

There was a blog/website about air combat engagements and first hand accounts from the pilots. It was kind of a list or detailed breakdown of engagements. I read this long before this episode came out. I'll search for it. However, on the website the F-15 pilot recounts how he fired in the direction of the F-117, knowing they (F-117s) were out front but not being able to see them on radar. The F-117 pilot reported that he saw the missile exhaust above his aircraft. No where did he mention proximity or any alarm to the closeness of the missile. Maybe they spiced it up for TV? Now let me find that article.

[Rapier55]

The website's down but I found reference to the incident.


While shooting the Mig-29, there happened to be a F-117 between Capt. Shower's F-15C and the Mig-29. The next night, the F-117 pilot told Capt. Shower the first time he knew he was in an engagement with the Mig-29 was when he saw the first two missiles come across the top of his aircraft. Going into a defensive posture, the Mig-29 gave the impression of defending itself.
"The F-117 was in the middle of the engagement," said CApt. Shower. "We had to be willing to push inside and kill'em."
"He (the Mig-29) was about six miles away and I'm up pretty high pointing at him when I took my last shot," Capt. Shower said.
CApt Shower said the final shot illuminated his (Shower's F-15C) aircraft from the rocket plume so the F-117 pilot could tell the two aircraft were approximately 2,000 feet from each other. The missile went right across the front of his aircraft down to the Mig-29 which blows up about 7,000 feet underneath the F-117.
http://www.f-117a.com/AFMissions.html

[shadowsrider]

Yes, it seems that it was spiced in TV. It looked like it was F-117 pilot story: missiles missed my cockpit by half a meter. Propably it was not true.

[Lokos]

They didn't last long.

No, they didn't. Thanks for pointing that out.

L.

[V.I.D.]

No, they didn't. Thanks for pointing that out.

L.

Some people clearly don't see any problems in calling the attack of several hundred vastly superior aircraft against two dozen inferior aircraft a "heroic deed". There's hardly any point in discussing this issue with such a brainiac.

[Midav]

Some people clearly don't see any problems in calling the attack of several hundred vastly superior aircraft against two dozen inferior aircraft a "heroic deed". There's hardly any point in discussing this issue with such a brainiac.

That's a problem with todays society in general. Everyone's a hero...

Btw, I still remain steadfast in my belief that this attack should never have occured, however, I digress and will get back on topic.

I doubt the story is true for reasons already explained.

[K0m1t4]

Since when is engaging with an AMRAAM from 40Km called a "Dogfight" ???

[Bulletproof]

Since when is engaging with an AMRAAM from 40Km called a "Dogfight" ???

Now now my friend, don't get confuse, the only possible conclusion is:

F-15 > Mig 29

[Kilgor]

Some people clearly don't see any problems in calling the attack of several hundred vastly superior aircraft against two dozen inferior aircraft a "heroic deed". There's hardly any point in discussing this issue with such a brainiac.

Here's the news.

Aerial combat involves taking down opponents with little or no knowledge of what is about to happen to them. Rarely has it been fair or chivalrous.

Anyway, with a missile flying past at mach 3-4, how can you tell when it misses the cockpit by half a metre ? It is flying past at the speed of a bullet. Sounds like bunk.

[V.I.D.]

Here's the news.

Aerial combat involves taking down opponents with little or no knowledge of what is about to happen to them. Rarely has it been fair or chivalrous.

Anyway, with a missile flying past at mach 3-4, how can you tell when it misses the cockpit by half a metre ? It is flying past at the speed of a bullet. Sounds like bunk.

Here's more news. It does not have to be fair or chivalrous, but sure as hell is not heroic either. Do you get the difference between the two?

[Lokos]

Those pilots went up in badly maintained, run-down MiGs, most without working radars. They went up against absolutely overwhelming odds. They understood the likely consequences.

And you know... they still went up. If you're looking for heroism, you don't need to look any further.

L.

[V.I.D.]

Those pilots went up in badly maintained, run-down MiGs, most without working radars. They went up against absolutely overwhelming odds. They understood the likely consequences.

And you know... they still went up. If you're looking for heroism, you don't need to look any further.

L.

That's exactly what I implying, albeit in not so many words. Yet some people here are devoid of understanding of difference between 1 one against 200 versus 200 against 1. Thank you for further clarifying my point, Lokos. Hope they get it now.

[Kilgor]

Some people clearly don't see any problems in calling the attack of several hundred vastly superior aircraft against two dozen inferior aircraft a "heroic deed". There's hardly any point in discussing this issue with such a brainiac.

Who is throwing the term "heroic deed" around?

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Yet another Balkans thread down in flames.

Pardon the pun...