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2RHPZ
06-26-2004, 09:05 AM
'Taliban' rule imposed on Fallujah

By Borzou Daragahi
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

BAGHDAD — Residents of Fallujah say foreign insurgents have banned drinking and music, imposed their own courts to enforce strict Islamic law and killed more than a dozen people suspected of collaborating with U.S. forces.
U.S. military officials, who turned the city over to an Iraqi-led "Fallujah Brigade" last month, say they have only anecdotal information about conditions in the city but remain concerned about the influence of fighters loyal to terror chief Abu Musab Zarqawi.

Regular travelers between Baghdad and Fallujah say various groups of mujahideen, or holy warriors, have turned the city 30 miles west of Baghdad into a haven for Islamist radicals.
Foreign fighters from Yemen, Syria and even Pakistan have set up checkpoints in many parts of the city, said Adnan Abdi, a Baghdad businessman who frequently visits Fallujah.
The mujahideen have imposed occasionally harsh versions of Islamic law, said several residents, some of whom were interviewed when disembarking at the Fallujah bus terminal in Baghdad.
Untroubled by members of the U.S.-backed military force known as the Fallujah Brigade, they said, the extremists have banned liquor and popular music and have established a special 6-week-old "mujahideen court" to dispense justice.
In the case of people suspected of passing information to U.S. forces, the "justice" is even more peremptory.
On Tuesday, witnesses said, a vehicle painted like a police car but probably operated by mujahideen pulled up to a stoplight next to a man suspected of helping the Americans find militants' safe houses. The "police," their faces covered, opened fire.
"I must have heard over a hundreds rounds," said Naqoz, a Fallujah resident and employee of a Western nonprofit group who asked that his family name not be published.
U.S. military officials and Iraqis struck a deal in May after weeks of intense combat that placed security in the city in the hands of the all-Iraqi Fallujah Brigade commanded by a former Saddam-era general.
But a senior military officer reached by telephone from Washington said yesterday, "We remain concerned [that Fallujah] is not under Iraqi government controls. ... Most of Fallujah remains under the control of foreign fighters, extremists and the Zarqawi network."
Zarqawi and his followers are blamed in the beheadings of two civilians and a string of suicide bombings. U.S. forces twice in the past week have rocketed houses in Fallujah that had been identified to them as Zarqawi safe houses.
The U.S. officer said the Fallujah Brigade was "making incremental progress" against the radicals, but that Marine commanders in charge of the region "are not completely satisfied with the pace of progress."
"There is anecdotal evidence of the [extremists] trying to set up a court system and harassing citizens. But there is no evidence their influence is dominant," the officer said.
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, interviewed last night on Fox News, said officers on the ground deserved credit for trying to work with local leaders to get the resistance in Fallujah "to behave itself."
"Was it worth the try? Probably. Did it work? Not yet," he said.
Thomas V. Johnson, public-affairs officer for the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force in Anbar province, which includes Fallujah, answered indirectly when asked about reports that extremists have killed more than a dozen people suspected of passing information to the Americans.
"We know that the latest tactic of anti-Iraqi forces is to intimidate and attack the will of the Iraqi people," he said.
Asked about the religious court, he said, "I have heard of some enforcement of religious codes, but I am not familiar with a special court."
But several residents said the courts dispense their punishments quickly and harshly upon those who violate their rules.
"If you steal, you will get your hand cut off. If you kill, you are killed. If you drink alcohol, you get lashed 80 times," said Amar Jassem, a 25-year-old Fallujah driver who shuttles passengers between the capital and his hometown in his minivan.
As many as 14 suspected collaborators had been fatally shot on the streets for giving information to Americans, said Fallujah resident Saad Najam Abdullah, who visits Baghdad to drink alcohol without fear of being arrested.
"We saw corpses all over the city," he said. "They put a piece of paper on the man's corpse with his name and citing evidence that he spied for Americans."
Like many of those interviewed, Mr. Abdullah spoke with surprising approval of the new regime.
"The mujahideen are applying Islamic laws very precisely against the criminals," he said.
"It's true that all music stores must sell only religious music, not other music," said Mostafa Javad, a 25-year-old university student who commutes daily between Baghdad and Fallujah. "But people in Fallujah are going into religion more and more every day."
Several said the residents tolerate the mujahideen, even allowing their own sons to join them, because of their rage against the American forces — whom they accuse of killing hundreds of civilians during the fighting that began in April.
Even before that, U.S. forces raided houses and made mass arrests in the city, which was a fiercely independent and hard-line stronghold even under Saddam Hussein's rule.
One of the few to object to the mujahideen presence was the man who identified himself only as Naqoz.
"There are Arabs from Syria, Yemen, Libya, Egypt," he said. "They come for jihad. They see Fallujah as a battleground between themselves and the Americans. ... The people of Fallujah are afraid of them."

Operation Ivy
06-26-2004, 09:09 AM
Go back in and help these people :(

iflu
06-26-2004, 09:24 AM
do not make the same mistake as that in the first gulf war...dont leave at the critical time, or inocent people get killed by those bastards

usa320
06-26-2004, 01:15 PM
Once we off Zarquawi then i think it would be an appropriate time to send the Marines back in and clean up.

Omz222
06-26-2004, 01:38 PM
I suspect this to be another Iran or Taliban Afghanistan here. Only thing is, even worse, and it's no suprise. We had a money and luxury-loving dictator ruling the city, and it's now this radical Islamic "government".

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06-26-2004, 02:08 PM
I suspect this to be another Iran or Taliban Afghanistan here. Only thing is, even worse, and it's no suprise. We had a money and luxury-loving dictator ruling the city, and it's now this radical Islamic "government".

Kill one problem and a new one arise's....

LordHalbert
06-27-2004, 03:58 AM
It's my belief that the fate of Iraq lies in the future of Fallujah.

How can you have a free stable Iraq, when the insurgents/terrorists have a huge base to operate out of?

The few airstrikes that have happpened in the last week or so is inadequate.

Much more must be done.

It's time to bring in the heavy stuff - B-52s and 155mm artillery.

Disband the "Fallujah Brigade" - to date, they have not captured a single insurgent or found any weapons of significance. They're absolutely useless and even complicit.

n4292936
06-27-2004, 04:09 AM
Once we off Zarquawi then i think it would be an appropriate time to send the Marines back in and clean up.
when we off Zarqauwi, and I sincerely hope that day is soon in coming, someone else will step in and take his place. His death will change little in Fallujah.

vikingblade
06-27-2004, 05:48 AM
i knew this crap was gonna happen when we pulled out. really pisses me off. how the hell can we be talking about a handover, with foreign terrorists having free reign in an entire city in iraq. this is insane.

as far as just bombing the city, unfortunately, its a fukin city, not a terrorist training camp. so, wayy too many civilian casualities. but, we cannot just leave this situation. this is our enemy....right here. this falluja problem is not iraqi people not wanting to be occupied by us. this is foreign, terrorist insurgents using the iraq situation. if we cant take care of this, destroy terrorists here, then, the entire war on terror thing is political bull. we need to bite the bullet, go in hard and clean this city out house by house. bombs are not gonna do it. unfortunately, this isnt gonna be pretty. a large group of well trained, highly motivated terrorist fighters, dug in and living among a population of scared, uneducated, angry civilians is about the worse case scenario imaginable. AND with an election just around the corner, im starting to worry about this being ignored.

Fredd00
06-27-2004, 06:20 AM
Foreign fighters from Yemen, Syria and even Pakistan have set up checkpoints in many parts of the city, said Adnan Abdi, a Baghdad businessman who frequently visits Fallujah.

I have a strong feeling that govs of above mentioned countries jumped at occasion to dispose of all trouble makers from own playground. Two birds with one stone – disposed of fanatics and added problem to US.

n4292936
06-27-2004, 08:23 AM
Foreign fighters from Yemen, Syria and even Pakistan have set up checkpoints in many parts of the city, said Adnan Abdi, a Baghdad businessman who frequently visits Fallujah.

I have a strong feeling that govs of above mentioned countries jumped at occasion to dispose of all trouble makers from own playground. Two birds with one stone – disposed of fanatics and added problem to US.
and I have a strong feeling that you're going to continue to get questions about your avatar. I suggest you remedy this in the following way.
you can either change the avatar... OR
start a thread called "Fredd00's White Power Avatar" in which you list a series of likely questions that you're going to receive during your stay here at the forum. Answer each question in depth, and then keep the link to the thread. Next time someone asks you if you are a racist white supremacist (you gotta admit, the avatar is mighty suggestive :| ) all you have to do is reply with that link - no fuss no muss. :D

Fredd00
06-27-2004, 09:56 AM
Look dude my previous post was solely about situation in Iraq


I have a strong feeling that govs of above mentioned countries jumped at occasion to dispose of all trouble makers from own playground. Two birds with one stone – disposed of fanatics and added problem to US.

Did I mention my av in the above post? Furthermore I am not going start any tread about it. It's my personal matter. It is not violation of any forum's rules nor is offensive to anyone IMHO. So end of story, you are free to start any threads you like however don't tell what to do.

With best regards!

talib_killa34
06-27-2004, 05:08 PM
Bad news to hear out of Fallujah. :(

You had to know it was going to happen. It will be just another mess the politicians leave for the military to clean up.

Where is the outrage from the international community on the intrusions by these fighters upon the people of Fallujah and their human rights?

I see, the CNN's of the world want this to fester and rot nicely so that one day when Iraq is just another Taliban-like controlled country like Afghanistan was (and could again be), they can send Christianne Amanpour to the country to do a story about their plight:

"Women here have no rights and are forced to be covered in head to toe coverings"

And..

"Justice here is quick and summary. All criminals are killed or mutilated to the full extent of Islamic courts or Sharia law"

Then, CNN would have a chest thumping, "oh look how terrible this is" moment and say the world did not care about Iraq or its people subjected to this type of harsh, draconian law.

Again, where is the outrage now????? :roll: