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Lazy Lob
04-12-2009, 03:46 AM
Let's not die for timid and misguided political correctness

Any aspiring jihadi would find our universities the ideal place to take cover and we have to confront this truth, warns Douglas Murray.

By Douglas Murray

Last Updated: 7:11PM BST 11 Apr 2009


The fact that the latest suspected terrorist threat involves students should come as no surprise. It is the predictable result of three things: an insatiably violent Islamist ideology; the politically-correct refusal of our political class to admit reality; and the comprehensive neglectfulness of our university authorities. This country has already produced a number of students who have gone on to become jihadist murderers. If this situation is not to get even worse, it is time not just to start asking questions, but to demand answers.

Greedy for the extra cash they bring, our universities desperately seek overseas students and often ask no questions when some of them fail to appear for classes. Following the introduction of tougher visa rules in the United States, the number of visas issued to students from Pakistan since 2001 has more than doubled in the UK. The problems that this brings with it are now being displayed.

In 2007, at Portsmouth University alone, 379 students from Pakistan were unaccounted for. Immigration minister Phil Woolas recently admitted that the student visa system is "the major loophole in Britain's border controls". It is a loophole that risks becoming a death-trap. Yet those like me who have repeatedly warned about the consequences of our appalling immigration policy and flawed border security policies, and the fact that our universities have become centres of Islamic radicalisation, have been ignored – even as we have been, sadly, vindicated.

Last summer. the Centre for Social Cohesion (CSC), in conjunction with the polling company YouGov, released a survey of Muslim student opinion in the UK. Forty per cent of Muslim students polled supported the introduction of sharia into British law for Muslims; a third supported the introduction of a worldwide caliphate instituted in accordance with sharia; and a third believed that killing in the name of their religion could be justified. This is the sea in which Muslim students who go on to carry out acts of terror are able to swim. But instead of engaging with the problem, Bill Rammell, the Minister for Higher Education, attacked the poll for finding out these things and declared that the problem of radicalism on campus was in fact "serious, but not widespread". It is just one example of a government that cannot make the moral distinction between firefighter and fire.
In its recently published counter-terrorism strategy, "Contest 2", the Government congratulated itself on its "key achievement" of promoting the UK as "a centre of excellence for Islamic studies outside the Muslim world". Yet – as the CSC again warned, two weeks ago, in a publication on the sources of foreign funding to UK universities – such courses are at huge risk of being sponsored by exactly the type of people who have caused the problem.

The Iranian government recently revealed that it was in talks with British Islamic studies departments – the same ones that the Government has described as a vital component of its counter-terrorism policy – in order to "train and educate experts on Islam". So now the Iranian regime, the world's largest sponsor of Islamic terror, is funding the very institutions the UK Government says are part of the means of stopping that terror.
Meanwhile, there is a situation on campus which not only radicalises British students, but says to Pakistani and other foreign students that the most backward ideas of their own societies – in relation to women, non-Muslims, homo******s and others – are entirely acceptable in Britain.

And so figures like the Hamas spokesman Azzam Tamimi repeatedly appear on UK campuses. Last month, after weeks of effort, we finally managed to prevent Hizbollah spokesman Ibrahim el-Moussawi from entering the UK to lecture at the School of Oriental and African Studies. He was only eventually barred when I threatened the Home Secretary with the issuing of an international arrest warrant if Moussawi were to enter the country.

Last month, Bilal Philips, barred from entering Australia because of security concerns, was scheduled as guest of honour at the Queen Mary University Islamic Society's (ISOC) annual dinner. The annual dinner of City University's ISOC last week had advertised guest speakers including Anwar al-Awlaki, the alleged spiritual leader of three of the 9/11 hijackers.

During the Gaza conflict, Islamic and far-Left student societies up and down the country held "sit-ins" to protest against Israel's defensive action. During a tense period some universities – including Cambridge – stood up to the protesters. Others – including Oxford – caved in and gave into the demands of the "occupying" students. Such small acts of appeasement on behalf of university authorities give the radicals the idea that right is on their side and that, given time, everyone will see this.

Muslim students who don't care about foreign conflicts are made to feel un-Islamic unless they endlessly whip themselves up into a fury against Israel and America. At the time that the Gaza demonstrations were going on up and down the country, I was due to fulfil a longstanding commitment to chair a discussion at the London School of Economics. Shortly before the event, I was contacted by the university and told not to come to campus because there was a threat of violence if I did.

Just as, internationally, the Islamists give us the offer "say my religion is peaceful or I will kill you", so domestically we are told "say there's no radicalism or we'll be radical".
Like the Government, the Conservative Party refuses to identify – let alone deal with – the problem. Our politicians are stuck in what some think is complacency but which is in reality simple cowardice. David Cameron and shadow security spokeswoman Dame Pauline Neville-Jones try to make the Tories appear tough by saying a Conservative government would ban the extremist group Hizb ut-Tahrir. But Tony Blair said exactly the same thing in 2005. Our politicians are keener to position themselves than to take vital decisions.

The Government knows that three quarters of all terror plots being investigated in Britain originate in Pakistan. With such a colossal Pakistani community in the UK it is unsurprisingly tough working out who poses a problem and who is part of the non-extremist mainstream. They could make a start by working out who is actually here.
In February, it transpired that the Foreign Office is spending £400,000 on television adverts to be aired in Pakistan, explaining that Britain is not "anti-Islamic". Even by the standards of this Government, that strikes one as ignoble as well as ineffectual. This country should look like a less attractive proposition than it currently does, not a more attractive one.

As it is, any aspiring jihadi would not only currently find it easy to come to Britain, they would find in our universities the ideal place to take cover and, indeed, inspiration. It is why you are more likely to become a terrorist in this country if you have been to university.

There are many messages that we should be giving out. But one in particular should go straight away to our political class: political correctness may be something that they are willing to fight for, but it is not something that most of us are willing to die for.
Douglas Murray is director of the Centre for Social Cohesion

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/5141728/Lets-not-die-for-timid-and-misguided-political-correctness.html

Mu-Meson
04-12-2009, 03:57 AM
Forty per cent of Muslim students polled supported the introduction of sharia into British law for Muslims; a third supported the introduction of a worldwide caliphate instituted in accordance with sharia; and a third believed that killing in the name of their religion could be justified.

Ye Gads! 40-30-30? That's all of them!?!?

Just Kidding. Unfortunately, this stuff is not being made up.


The Iranian government recently revealed that it was in talks with British Islamic studies departments – the same ones that the Government has described as a vital component of its counter-terrorism policy – in order to "train and educate experts on Islam".

That is the f**king craziest thing I have ever heard. Terrorists must be incredibly incompetent, because it seems like the UK govt is doing everything in its power not to defend Britain.

Lazarou
04-12-2009, 04:16 AM
UK Gov's Islamic Terror Strategy
Why not Mormon Terror Strategy or Buddhist Terror Strategy?


Reported for racism. Praise Allah.

RoyB
04-12-2009, 04:22 AM
Hey, don't generalize.. its just a 'small' number of extremists!

CMNot
04-12-2009, 04:23 AM
He was only eventually barred when I threatened the Home Secretary with the issuing of an international arrest warrant if Moussawi were to enter the country

All hail the hero :roll:

I am not by a long ****ing distance a supporter of this Government. But any numpty can stand around bandying opinion. Good of Douglas Murray to offer solutions to his thesis. Which is exactly what this is...

AmandlaEwetu
04-12-2009, 05:19 AM
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UK is still in its Chamberlin "peace in our time"phase-struggling to see any Churchills though....:-(

Arfah
04-12-2009, 08:33 AM
We're Lions led by Donkeys !

ggk
04-12-2009, 08:45 AM
alot of article with weird title lately

Mr Gently Benevolent
04-12-2009, 09:25 AM
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UK is still in its Chamberlin "peace in our time"phase-struggling to see any Churchills though....:-(Care to elaborate on this comment.

wotsnext
04-12-2009, 09:36 AM
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UK is still in its Chamberlin "peace in our time"phase-struggling to see any Churchills though....:-(
Maybe no Churchhills, but we do have the largest percapita force in the world in Afghanistan.

Mr Gently Benevolent
04-12-2009, 09:39 AM
The Iranian government recently revealed that it was in talks with British Islamic studies departments – the same ones that the Government has described as a vital component of its counter-terrorism policy – in order to "train and educate experts on Islam". So now the Iranian regime, the world's largest sponsor of Islamic terror, is funding the very institutions the UK Government says are part of the means of stopping that terror.
Meanwhile, there is a situation on campus which not only radicalises British students, but says to Pakistani and other foreign students that the most backward ideas of their own societies – in relation to women, non-Muslims, homo******s and others – are entirely acceptable in Britain.The article even manages to throw the Iranian bogeyman in which is kinda weird as nearly every last radical Islamic student group seems to err towards Wahhabism.

PeterG
04-12-2009, 10:04 AM
So why allow anyone from Pakistan a visa? No people allowed to and from there - it has been clearly demonstrated that a large number of terrorists travel to and from Pakistan. So, they represent a clear and present danger. No more visas, period.

The reality is of course that Britain will be hit HARD by islamic terrorists in the future - they have no real will to take the steps necessary, so it is unavoidable.

Mr Gently Benevolent
04-12-2009, 10:09 AM
So why allow anyone from Pakistan a visa? No people allowed to and from there - it has been clearly demonstrated that a large number of terrorists travel to and from Pakistan. So, they represent a clear and present danger. No more visas, period.

The reality is of course that Britain will be hit HARD by islamic terrorists in the future - they have no real will to take the steps necessary, so it is unavoidable.Lots of ties to Pakistan it's not going to be easy but screening should be more stringent.

PeterG
04-12-2009, 10:47 AM
Lots of ties to Pakistan it's not going to be easy but screening should be more stringent.

How? How can 'screening' prevent terrorists straight out of the madrassas in Pakistan from coming to the UK? 'screening' is worthless unless the person is already known to the security services for some reason. How many perfectly 'clean' potential terrorists are there in Pakistan, and how many potential recruits are being churned out every day of the hate factories that pass for 'schools' in Pakistan?

Of course they can simply use terrorists born and raised in the UK instead. Perhaps indoctrinated in one of the many radical mosques allowed to exist throughout the UK, where young british muslims are recruited and money is raised for global jihad.

CMNot
04-12-2009, 12:27 PM
UK is still in its Chamberlin "peace in our time"phase-struggling to see any Churchills though....:-(

Yeah, because we face a threat right up there on the scale with Nazi Germany :roll:

AL-Khalid
04-12-2009, 02:03 PM
No madrassa students apply for uk student visa sir bcz most of them are from very poor families and most of them opted to quit after learning quran and only english medium students apply for uk visas and lazylob i know u hate pakistan from your heart bcz either you are an indian or a pro indian.

PeterG
04-12-2009, 02:23 PM
No madrassa students apply for uk student visa sir bcz most of them are from very poor families and most of them opted to quit after learning quran and only english medium students apply for uk visa.

Well, this may be true for those who actually mean to study - but the issue is how easy it is for terrorists to enter..

Adux
04-12-2009, 03:52 PM
Oh yes, terrorist are poor uneducated youth!! /sarcasm!!!! See the pakistani defence forums, look at the location of its mem,bers and what they are@advocating, sharia, caliphate, death to jews, yanks, hindus and xtians etc..the article is right on !

ggk
04-12-2009, 04:02 PM
Oh yes, terrorist are poor uneducated youth!! /sarcasm!!!! See the pakistani defence forums, look at the location of its mem,bers and what they are@advocating, sharia, caliphate, death to jews, yanks, hindus and xtians etc..the article is right on !

so all of those members there are terrorist?...and since you advocate hate and death (by nuclear weapon) against all muslims...does that make you a terrorist?

Lazy Lob
04-12-2009, 04:26 PM
No madrassa students apply for uk student visa sir bcz most of them are from very poor families and most of them opted to quit after learning quran and only english medium students apply for uk visas and lazylob i know u hate pakistan from your heart bcz either you are an indian or a pro indian.

Only if you say so, then it must be true. Now where is my dastar. :)

Adux
04-12-2009, 04:46 PM
so all of those members there are terrorist?...and since you advocate hate and death (by nuclear weapon) against all muslims...does that make you a terrorist?

oh sugar...the leech is still on me! !! You better have something to back that up other than your usual taking out of context method!!!

AL-Khalid
04-12-2009, 05:36 PM
Well adux and all the indians hate us as much as we hate them.

Adux
04-12-2009, 11:54 PM
Well adux and all the indians hate us as much as we hate them.

dont make me part of your hate, i feel pity for people who follow the ideology of hate, it would be inconsiderate and foolish of me to hate every pakistani or muslim out there!!