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Bayonet
06-26-2004, 12:34 PM
Hello Everyone.....nice to meet you in this interesting forum :D
We are military fans from China and want to communicate with
foreign friends here.....
We are XINGBAKE, J-10,CHENGWUDI , 75th_rangerhk, popeye.lee
OMZ222, AE5, Wy, Bayonet(me ;) )
Any new chinese brothers, if you are in this forum , connect us ASAP
Please please respect each other.
Do not insult my motherland..I love her just like you love your motherland..
You can discuss any topics here...
To celebrate the 50th birthday of Chinese Navy Submarines....
Ming level submarines
http://www.dongjidao.com/upload/files/006.jpg
http://www.dongjidao.com/upload/files/2wa.jpg
http://www.dongjidao.com/upload/files/021.jpg
http://www.dongjidao.com/upload/files/018.jpg
Xia Level Submarines
http://www.dongjidao.com/upload/files/22wa.jpg
http://www.dongjidao.com/upload/files/222wa.jpg
http://www.dongjidao.com/upload/files/2222wa.jpg
Han Level Submarines
http://www.dongjidao.com/upload/files/3wa.jpg
http://www.dongjidao.com/upload/files/33wa.jpg
http://www.dongjidao.com/upload/files/333wa.jpg
Song Level Submarines
http://www.dongjidao.com/upload/files/11wa.jpg
http://www.dongjidao.com/upload/files/111wa.jpg
http://www.dongjidao.com/upload/files/12wa.jpg
KILO !!!!!!!!Bought from Russia....Thank you russian..
http://www.dongjidao.com/upload/files/4wa.jpg
http://www.dongjidao.com/upload/files/4444wa.jpg
http://www.dongjidao.com/upload/files/44444wa.jpg
Tell us what do you think about them???? :D
It's 0:32 in Shanghai ,China...It's time for sleep...... woot woot woot
easyand
06-26-2004, 12:41 PM
How many submarines PLA have?
Jehuty
06-26-2004, 12:44 PM
Recently, my government announced a military cooperation with China.
Do you know exactly what will be these excercices?
ZeroPositive
06-26-2004, 12:45 PM
can any of them fire nuclear weapons?
Bayonet
06-26-2004, 12:46 PM
How many submarines PLA have?
according to the official reports
PLA has more than 100 submarines..
At least 5 Han level
2-3 Xia level
5 Song level
Rest are R level,,etc
I dont konw how many KILO we have ...... Who knows?
Bayonet
06-26-2004, 12:49 PM
Recently, my government announced a military cooperation with China.
Do you know exactly what will be these excercices?
We hope to know that ,too....
Thank you for your hard working on allow european countries export
weapons to China...Many thanks French
法兰西万岁！
popeye.lee
06-26-2004, 12:52 PM
还有俺！表忘了！
nice pics!!!
Bayonet
06-26-2004, 12:52 PM
can any of them fire nuclear weapons?
Xia level submarines can do that
How many submarines PLA have?
according to the official reports
PLA has more than 100 submarines..
At least 5 Han level
2-3 Xia level
5 Song level
Rest are R level,,etc
I dont konw how many KILO we have ...... Who knows?
R level?
Bayonet
06-26-2004, 12:57 PM
Yes, R level
Very very old one ....is being washed out now
http://www.beijing101.com/101/jun****iandi/images/R.jpg
perdurabo
06-26-2004, 01:19 PM
first: this first pic of Xia niece!
second: what project877 (Kilo) china has? 877E? 877EKM? its very important because E wersion was russian sold for eksport(Poland has one that) and EKM was special eksport version with inferior systems like sonars.
third: can you give us more data about this subs?
Omz222
06-26-2004, 01:25 PM
first: this first pic of Xia niece!
second: what project877 (Kilo) china has? 877E? 877EKM? its very important because E wersion was russian sold for eksport(Poland has one that) and EKM was special eksport version with inferior systems like sonars.
third: can you give us more data about this subs?
http://sinodefence.com/navy/sub/kilo.asp
2 877EKM and 2 Project 636
Bayonet
06-26-2004, 01:26 PM
first: this first pic of Xia niece!
second: what project877 (Kilo) china has? 877E? 877EKM? its very important because E wersion was russian sold for eksport(Poland has one that) and EKM was special eksport version with inferior systems like sonars.
third: can you give us more data about this subs?
1) you mean nice,right?
2) I found some further information .PLA have 4 KILO subs
First 2 we bought in 1995 are 877KEM .they are 364 and 365..Service in south sea marine.
The other 2 KILO subs,,,I cant find any information about them....Damn
3) You mean data about KILO ?
Bayonet
06-26-2004, 01:28 PM
Good job OMZ222
U are chinese?
Omz222
06-26-2004, 01:30 PM
Good job OMZ222
U are chinese?
Yeah, as I said from Beijing here, but now in Canada.
The site that the link links too is a pretty good English site about PLA equipment, pretty interesting page.
Bayonet
06-26-2004, 01:32 PM
Good job OMZ222
U are chinese?
Yeah, as I said from Beijing here, but now in Canada.
The site that the link links too is a pretty good English site about PLA equipment, pretty interesting page.
So do you allow me to add your name into our chinese team here?
That's a really good website...
Omz222
06-26-2004, 01:34 PM
So do you allow me to add your name into our chinese team here?
That's a really good website...
Sure, thanks... I'll try to have more information and pictures.
Another English/"foreign" Chinese military forum I gotta recommend: http://forum.china-defense.com/
Register there, and a lot of photos... A huge database of them.
Bayonet
06-26-2004, 01:41 PM
It's very late in shanghai ,china .........ohooooooooo
Good Night everyone..... :D :D :D
You americans and europeans are in the day,right?
Keep working,,,post moe and moe great pics to this forum.....
Good night...晚安．．．．
perdurabo
06-26-2004, 01:42 PM
first: this first pic of Xia niece!
second: what project877 (Kilo) china has? 877E? 877EKM? its very important because E wersion was russian sold for eksport(Poland has one that) and EKM was special eksport version with inferior systems like sonars.
third: can you give us more data about this subs?
1) you mean nice,right?
2) I found some further information .PLA have 4 KILO subs
First 2 we bought in 1995 are 877KEM .they are 364 and 365..Service in south sea marine.
The other 2 KILO subs,,,I cant find any information about them....Damn
3) You mean data about KILO ?
1) yeah :)
2) Omz said it's 636 so its hmm Amur (russian members can corret me if i'm wrong) much upgraded version
3) i have enough data on Kilo :D (Poland have one we should have more but stupid politics:( ) but about others and even those R level ....
Omz222
06-26-2004, 01:49 PM
1) yeah :)
2) Omz said it's 636 so its hmm Amur (russian members can corret me if i'm wrong) much upgraded version
3) i have enough data on Kilo :D (Poland have one we should have more but stupid politics:( ) but about others and even those R level ....
The "R level" are Type 033 Romeo Class (http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/sub/033.asp), a much improved version of the Soviet descendent of WWII-vintage German U-Boats. Though they are still in service, I'd rcall that sometimes ago one of these sank during an exercise. But unfortunately, all crews onboard sank with it...
Xingbake
06-26-2004, 10:36 PM
Actually the first submarine that China imported from Russia was W class:
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3800/js0907013s.jpg
Then followed by "R" class. China also copies R class with the blueprint provided by Russia. The PLA's SN is 035. At the peak time, China owned >50 R class:
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/6971/2242.jpg
China improved the R class in 1980s' and called it Ming Class. Now Ming Class is the backborne of the PLA submarine:
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4892/28_901.jpg
This is the latest improved version of Ming class:
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/hj/mj/018.jpg
China improved one R class and equiped it with C-801 anti-ship missile. It was called Wu Han class(053C):
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8530/035C.jpg
China also import one Golf class from Russia as the first ballistic missile submarine:
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7518/20034181842148060.jpg
(from left to right: Golf class, Wu Han class, R class*2)
Song class(039) was designed by China in 1990s'. The early version has a ladder shape bridge on the hull:
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/hj/sj/aa.jpg
http://member.netease.com/~rxj/pic/song1.jpg
This is the latest version of Song class(039A） with a new designed bridge:
http://jngs.3322.org/mymemo/arms/naval/song_2.jpg
tacticalmanta
06-26-2004, 10:39 PM
what is the safey record of China's submarine fleet? Any accidents or loses?
Xingbake
06-26-2004, 10:49 PM
what is the safey record of China's submarine fleet? Any accidents or loses?
Two major accidents: one happened in 1959, a R class crashed with a frigate in the maneuver when it raised. This accident caused the death of 38 soliders. The other one just happend last year. No.361(Ming Class) submarine, due to the diesel engineer failure, caused the asphyxia of 70 crew.
tacticalmanta
06-26-2004, 10:54 PM
Interesting.. and scarey.. The Song Class looks like a nice boat... are submarine crews volunteers?
Bayonet
06-26-2004, 10:54 PM
what is the safey record of China's submarine fleet? Any accidents or loses?
We lost a Ming class submarine last year...It's no.361....76 crews died...
This was the first time that chinese government tell the accident of subs
to the public...
http://image2.sina.com.cn/dy/c/2003-08-14/1_1-1-23-338_20030814104027.jpg
Bayonet
06-26-2004, 10:57 PM
Interesting.. and scarey.. The Song Class looks like a nice boat... are submarine crews volunteers?
All crews graduated from the NAVY SUBMARINE COLLEGE in Qingdao,Shandong province..
n4292936
06-26-2004, 11:03 PM
cool, nice posts Bayonet.... you keep refering to your "chinese brothers". What if I want to be a chinese brother?!! Is it like joining a college fraternity or is some genetic predisposition required? :D ;)
Its good to have some input from China on the forum. I hope you will also contribute to the General Discussion section - your opinions are valuable because they represent a non-western opinion. It may help broaden perspectives, both yours and ours.
cheers
Bayonet
06-26-2004, 11:19 PM
cool, nice posts Bayonet.... you keep refering to your "chinese brothers". What if I want to be a chinese brother?!! Is it like joining a college fraternity or is some genetic predisposition required? :D ;)
Its good to have some input from China on the forum. I hope you will also contribute to the General Discussion section - your opinions are valuable because they represent a non-western opinion. It may help broaden perspectives, both yours and ours.
cheers
Thank you very much N4292936..... :D
About "chinese brother" , there is a chinese saying
"People all over the world are brothers and sisters"..
It's chinses is '四海一家'....so if you want ,, I can call you brother,too.. :D
ZeroPositive
06-26-2004, 11:19 PM
so you want to be a chinese Brother... fine by me mate :)
Yes I am Part Chinese :D
tacticalmanta
06-26-2004, 11:22 PM
..
It's chinses is '四海一家'....so if you want ,, I can call you brother,too.. :D
Four Oceans, one house/ family....
nice
Bayonet
06-26-2004, 11:24 PM
so you want to be a chinese Brother... fine by me mate :)
Yes I am Part Chinese :D
What means part chinese?? :D
Joke ?
Bayonet
06-26-2004, 11:25 PM
..
It's chinses is '四海一家'....so if you want ,, I can call you brother,too.. :D
Four Oceans, one house/ family....
nice
God....you are hidden chinese brother here or a foreign friend can read chinese?
tacticalmanta
06-26-2004, 11:28 PM
part = 陰莖
ZeroPositive
06-26-2004, 11:28 PM
so you want to be a chinese Brother... fine by me mate :)
Yes I am Part Chinese :D
What means part chinese?? :D
Joke ?
My dad is white :)
great great work. keep going bros. impressive those deep blue sharks!!! i think it is a good idea to import more submarins from russia.
n4292936
06-26-2004, 11:34 PM
SWEET! Im in! When I used to live in the US I always tried to get my black friend Tyrone to call me Brutha but he just couldnt bring himself to do it ;)
what is the safey record of China's submarine fleet? Any accidents or loses?
We lost a Ming class submarine last year...It's no.361....76 crews died...
This was the first time that chinese government tell the accident of subs
to the public...
http://image2.sina.com.cn/dy/c/2003-08-14/1_1-1-23-338_20030814104027.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/66503089390.jpg
Bayonet
06-26-2004, 11:41 PM
SWEET! Im in! When I used to live in the US I always tried to get my black friend Tyrone to call me Brutha but he just couldnt bring himself to do it ;)
Ok..Brother---兄弟
:D :D :D
Bayonet
06-26-2004, 11:43 PM
great great work. keep going bros. impressive those deep blue sharks!!! i think it is a good idea to import more submarins from russia.
I think so, too....KILO is very good...
But....it need alot of money..... :(
More Kilo class pics
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/41748548583.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/40376841712.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/41748548581.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/37526372673.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/37526372672.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/36543710574.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/36543710573.jpg
Bayonet
06-26-2004, 11:43 PM
great great work. keep going bros. impressive those deep blue sharks!!! i think it is a good idea to import more submarins from russia.
I think so, too....KILO is very good...
But....it will cost alot of money..... :(
great great work. keep going bros. impressive those deep blue sharks!!! i think it is a good idea to import more submarins from russia.
I think so, too....KILO is very good...
But....it will cost alot of money..... :(
PLA have four Kilo class Submarines.
China bought other eight Kilo class Submarines from Russia, I heard the first subs already launched.
Bayonet
06-26-2004, 11:53 PM
great great work. keep going bros. impressive those deep blue sharks!!! i think it is a good idea to import more submarins from russia.
I think so, too....KILO is very good...
But....it will cost alot of money..... :(
China bought other eight Kilo class Submarines from Russia, I heard the first subs already launched.
Really?!?!?! That's great!!!!!
Viva CHINA!!!!Viva Russia!!!!
万岁!!!万岁!!!万岁!!!!!!!!!!!
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Omz222
06-26-2004, 11:54 PM
Nice page about the Kilo and other PLAN submarines: http://www.stormpages.com/jetfight/han_xia_kilo_song.htm . Pretty nice submarine. Very quiet diesel one it is.
Great info about PLAAF planes too. My personal favourite there would be the J-11/Su-27, quite a beautiful plane...
tacticalmanta
06-26-2004, 11:58 PM
满洲有足够的石油为这?
Bayonet
06-27-2004, 12:01 AM
满洲有足够的石油为这?
You mean in DaQing??
No ..we dont have enough petroleum there...we even dont have enough petroleum in China now.
So we import petroleum from middle east...middle asia...Russia....
Where are you from??? :D
Bayonet
06-27-2004, 12:24 AM
PLA Navy's Lovercrafts Landing Rehearse
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/34988902021.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/34988902022.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/34988902023.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/34265353771.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/34265353772.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/34265353773.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/34988902024.jpg
http://www.cjdby.com/showimg.asp?BoardID=5&filename=2004-6/2004627122925.jpg
type 039G submarinehttp://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-4/200443022442765.jpg
http://pic.tiexue.net/origin/2004_4/2004_4_30_62266.jpg
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Bayonet
06-27-2004, 12:20 PM
Cool Pics
Where is the last sub?
Whp can give some information about 2 ships behind the sub???
McLane
06-27-2004, 12:44 PM
Great Pics overall! Like the chinese stuff. :) How many soldiers are really in the PLA? 1.000.000? Or more? Less? I don't know, but it is a fu*king big Army *lol* So....
Bayonet
06-27-2004, 01:00 PM
Great Pics overall! Like the chinese stuff. :) How many soldiers are really in the PLA? 1.000.000? Or more? Less? I don't know, but it is a fu*king big Army *lol* So....
The number of PLA soldiers is 1.5 million....
Maybe it looks ****ing big for Germany or some other countries
But its suitable for China which is one of the biggest country in the world..
Xingbake
06-27-2004, 01:08 PM
Great Pics overall! Like the chinese stuff. :) How many soldiers are really in the PLA? 1.000.000? Or more? Less? I don't know, but it is a fu*king big Army *lol* So....
no matter how many soliders of PLA, if you divide it by 1.4 billion, it will be a very very small number. Considering China's population, I don't think PLA is really big.
McLane
06-27-2004, 01:10 PM
Okay, that's true. But you have a big army, without any enemies :roll: No missunderstanding, but you spend a lot of money to the army and so... sounds to me like the 'paranoid americans' (just kidding) *lol*
Xingbake
06-27-2004, 01:17 PM
Okay, that's true. But you have a big army, without any enemies :roll: No missunderstanding, but you spend a lot of money to the army and so... sounds to me like the 'paranoid americans' (just kidding) *lol*
Well, it is hard to explain to you since it is more philosophic question.
Have you ever read <The Art of War> written by the famous Chinse militarist Sun Zi about 2000 years ago? Sun Zi thought the highest ambit of the War is "To Win Without Fighting".
And you can avoid war only if you have a overwhelming military power.
Hope you can understand what I mean. ;) ;)
McLane
06-27-2004, 01:24 PM
Yes i understand, thanks. But... a big army costs extremly much money. I think china has other problems instead of 'enemies', right? But it it not the right point to discuss that ;) Post more pics from your great army :)
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-06-24/1088088737168HX.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-06-28/1088385500jian2.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-06-27/1088341477DSC00105.JPG
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs2/11018521/20040622/images/11743959_197830.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs/11018441/20040627/images/11751683_199297.jpg
http://www.cjdby.com/UploadFile/2003990104960351.jpg
http://www.cjdby.com/showimg.asp?BoardID=4&filename=2004-6/2004617155354562.jpg
http://armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-6/200462223179153.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-06-21/108782963808390108430.jpg
http://www.cjdby.com/showimg.asp?BoardID=4&filename=2004-6/2004621203848701.jpg
http://www.cjdby.com/showimg.asp?BoardID=4&filename=2004-6/2004621203936297.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/24621543860.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/03915112612.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/99398396594.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/47386516010.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/66537315743.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/69323083371.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/66537315744.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-06-27/1088320647AAA-2300.jpg
ohadbx
06-28-2004, 03:34 AM
sllllooooooowwwwwwww server....
can anyone please tell me what missile is this?
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/66537315743.jpg
sllllooooooowwwwwwww server....
can anyone please tell me what missile is this?
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/66537315743.jpg
Its C-801(YJ-8 Eagle Strike) anti-ship missile.
Total length 5.81 m
Diameter 0.36 m
Wingspan 1.18 m
Weight 625 kg (not including booster)
Warhead Weight 165 kg HE
Propulsion one solid rocket engine, one solid booster
Maximum effective range 8-42 km
Guidance mode automatic control + homing
Single-shot hit probability 75%
McLane
06-28-2004, 05:09 AM
Hell ya!
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-06-28/1088385500jian2.jpg
This is a ****ing sexy Ship! Like russians Frigates and Destroyes you build them very flat and.... don't know the right word, they look really sexy to me! Not the german-bulk-design :roll:
http://www.cjdby.com/UploadFile/2003990104960351.jpg
And that is a very nice Plane... a fighter? Or a Fighterbomber? Looks like a modern F-16 Pendant *lol* Little question: Which caliber do you use to outfit your Fighters? In Europe it is almost 20mm or 27mm - the Americans uses 20mm and the russians 30mm-Guns for their planes. What's with Chinese fighters?
Bayonet
06-28-2004, 09:49 AM
Hell ya!
This is a f*** sexy Ship! Like russians Frigates and Destroyes you build them very flat and.... don't know the right word, they look really sexy to me! Not the german-bulk-design :roll:
Now I know that when foreign friends said **** or ****ing doesn't mean that they are angry..... :D :D :D
And the fighter....That's our J-10...Have you heard of that???
Xingbake
06-28-2004, 10:00 AM
Hell ya!
This is a f*** sexy Ship! Like russians Frigates and Destroyes you build them very flat and.... don't know the right word, they look really sexy to me! Not the german-bulk-design :roll:
This is the new 052B Frigates. Jiangnan Shipyard is currently building two new 6500t class multipurpose missile destroyers for the PLA Navy. The ships, reportedly designated as Type 052B, are likely based on the hull design of the Type 051B (Luhai class) destroyer, but fitted with Russian surface-to-air missile (SAM) and fire-control radar systems.
Compared to the PLA Navy’s current Type 052 (Luhu class) and Type 051B (Luhai class) destroyers, the new Type 052B destroyers possess much better air defence capabilities, which comprises two Russian-made SA-N-12 Grizzly medium-range SAM launchers and two indigenously developed Type 730 close in weapon systems (CIWSs). Despite the lack of more sophisticated systems such as the phased array radar and vertical launch system (VLS), the destroyers are generally capable of providing limited medium-range fleet air defence.
PROGRAMME
The Type 052B is the PLA Navy’s yet another major procurement programme following the purchase of two Russian-built Sovremenny class missile destroyers in 1999 and 2000. The existence of programme like this suggests that despite the warship purchase deals with Russia, China is unlikely to depart from the self-reliance policy to reply on domestic shipbuilders to design and build modern and sophisticated warships. In fact, imported technologies are being integrated into indigenous designs to save the development costs and time.
The two ships have been built at Jiangnan Shipyard, Shanghai since 2000. The first ship (pennant number 168) was launched in May 2002, followed by the second ship (pennant number 169) in January 2003. Currently the two ships are stationed in Jiangnan Shipyard for weapon and other equipment installations. If the serial numbers of these ships are genuine, they will be deployed in the PLA Navy South Sea Fleet.
DESIGN
The displacement of the ship is about 6,500 tonne, which is roughly comparable to the Russian-made Sovremenny class. Compared to the Type 051B (Luhai class) destroyer introduced in 1999, the Type 052B apparently incorporates even more stealth features -- the sides of the vessel are sloped to minimise radar cross section, surfaces have been coated in radar-absorbent paint and the profiles of external features have been reduced. There is a stern helicopter flight deck and a hanger which can accommodate two Russian Ka-28 Helix-A ASW/SAR helicopters.
WEAPONS
The main air defence weapon systems onboard the Type 052B are two (1 front and 1 rear) Russian-made SA-N-12 Grizzly medium-range SAM launchers, guided by four Front Dome indication radars and a Top Plate 3D air-search radar. For short range air defence, two indigenous Type 730 CIWS similar to the Dutch Goalkeeper are located on both sides behind the bridge.
The 100mm single-barrel main gun on the front deck seems to be a copy of the French Creusot-Loire 100 mm gun. Four 4-cell YJ-83 (C-803) anti-ship missile launchers are fitted at midship behind the funnel. In addition, four unique multiple rocket launchers (MRLs) are fitted on the front deck to launch decoys, antisubmarine rockets, and land-attack ammunitions.
PROPULSION
The propulsion system in the form of CODOG consists of two Ukraine-made DA80/DN80 gas turbines and two indigenous diesels.
And that is a very nice Plane... a fighter? Or a Fighterbomber? Looks like a modern F-16 Pendant *lol* Little question: Which caliber do you use to outfit your Fighters? In Europe it is almost 20mm or 27mm - the Americans uses 20mm and the russians 30mm-Guns for their planes. What's with Chinese fighters?
It's the J-10 Fighter. http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/fighter/j10.asp
Bayonet
06-28-2004, 10:02 AM
Hell ya!
Little question: Which caliber do you use to outfit your Fighters? In Europe it is almost 20mm or 27mm - the Americans uses 20mm and the russians 30mm-Guns for their planes. What's with Chinese fighters?
The fixed weapon on the J-10 is a 23 mm internal cannon.
The J-8B is equipped with a two-barrel 23 mm Type 23-III (a copy of the Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-23L) cannon
The J-8 is equiped with a twin-barrel 23 mm Type 23-III cannon.
The J-7e is equiped with two 30 mm Type 30-1 cannon with 60 rounds per gun
The J-7 is equiped with one 30 mm cannon.
Xingbake
06-28-2004, 10:22 AM
Chinese cannons:
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/ldp/034.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/ldp/016.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/ldp/033.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/ldp/031.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/ldp/030.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/ldp/035.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/ftkgs/010.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/ftkgs/006.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/ftkgs/002.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/hp/005.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/hp/007.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/hp/ws9.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/hp/WS-2.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/hp/004.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/hp/ws80.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/gs/004.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/gs/011.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/gs/002.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/gs/012.jpg
Xingbake
06-28-2004, 10:45 AM
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/65175720411.jpghttp://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/84129995910.gifhttp://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/63385903180.jpghttp://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/41200563180.jpghttp://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/77654139520.jpghttp://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/32047451170.jpghttp://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/64263747430.jpg
Bayonet
06-28-2004, 10:56 AM
Cool Pics.......Xingbake...
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/blade/zg/lj/hp/ws80.jpg
What's this name?
OMG, so impressive. J10,xingbake, bayonet maybe more...sorry, u must spend a lot of time to get those sharp pics. to tell u the truth, i think maybe only one of a hundred people in western countries could be said knowing sth about china. bielive it or not, propoganda is not the ''specialized asset''( :D ) of communism, everybody uses it, especially in military( :D ). so u have made people know more about china. great work and keep going. btw, if there is any problem with english, send me pm (no oicq pls, it is not safe), i will try to help u guys out. and i may be in china from the end of july to the end of aug. :)
Bayonet
06-28-2004, 11:35 AM
OMG, so impressive. J10,xingbake, bayonet maybe more...sorry, u must spend a lot of time to get those sharp pics. to tell u the truth, i think maybe only one of a hundred people in western countries could be said knowing sth about china. bielive it or not, propoganda is not the ''specialized asset''( :D ) of communism, everybody uses it, especially in military( :D ). so u have made people know more about china. great work and keep going. btw, if there is any problem with english, send me pm (no oicq pls, it is not safe), i will try to help u guys out. and i may be in china from the end of july to the end of aug. :)
Thank you so much......Which city will you go to???
Xingbake and I live in Shanghai and J-10 lives in Beijing....
Welcome To My Motherland...And please introduce the real China you see
to your friends around you....Thank you .....
I think probably your words is much trustier than ours, beacuse you are not chinese.....Many people think that guys who are from China mainland must have been "brainwashed" :D :D :D
d0n0tm0ve
06-28-2004, 11:57 AM
http://jczsbbs1.sina.com.cn/upload/5/34/20040503/163914/183571.jpg
2000 year ago
d0n0tm0ve
06-28-2004, 11:59 AM
http://jczsbbs1.sina.com.cn/upload/5/34/20040503/163914/186891.jpg
1000 year ago
d0n0tm0ve
06-28-2004, 12:01 PM
http://jczsbbs1.sina.com.cn/upload/5/34/20040503/163914/187058.jpg
60 year ago
Bayonet
06-28-2004, 12:08 PM
these great pictures make me bethink our great
Han Dynasty and Tang Dynasty..... :( :( :(
Chinese Brothers,,,,
we shuold work much harder to build our morden, stable, wealthy,
beautiful and peaceful motherland.
NU LI!!! Nu LI !!! NU LI!!!
:D :D :D :D
Great pictures. :D
Westen country people are knowing more about china and chinese people now. But we should put pictures on normal life not only militaries. :)
And Bayonet : just saw the message you put on the first post.
I am chinese too :D Regards ;)
Nizark
06-28-2004, 08:12 PM
Sick a couple of seawolf or los angeles class squadrons on them and bye bye chinese sub fleet
ZeroPositive
06-28-2004, 08:23 PM
Sick a couple of seawolf or los angeles class squadrons on them and bye bye chinese sub fleet
**** we the Brits got Nukes, the CHinese have Nukes most modern powers do... so say why should I say something really dumb like lets fire off a few nukes at ya and boom no more world :)
Shut it u troll
Sick a couple of seawolf or los angeles class squadrons on them and bye bye chinese sub fleet
This guy is chatting ****. We come to u with olive branch, but you reply us with your sick thinking. People gather here to introduce their own country, not for fighting. :bash: That is my goal any way ;)
Bayonet
06-28-2004, 09:47 PM
Sick a couple of seawolf or los angeles class squadrons on them and bye bye chinese sub fleet
................ :oops: OOPS?....
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/31729839352.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/28948710722.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/28948710723.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/69105314730.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/85502516620.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/67139129681.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/74379829650.jpg
Bayonet
06-28-2004, 10:37 PM
Great pictures. :D
Westen country people are knowing more about china and chinese people now. But we should put pictures on normal life not only militaries. :)
And Bayonet : just saw the message you put on the first post.
I am chinese too :D Regards ;)
Brother...so i added your name to our list.... :D
Bayonet
06-28-2004, 10:40 PM
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/85502516620.jpg
What's the name of the rocket?
What's the name of the rocket?
HQ-7 ground-to-air missile
ohadbx
06-28-2004, 11:09 PM
Im just full of question :)
What is the KA-27/29/32 towing?
And is this a Ming class submarine?
Ghostwolf
06-28-2004, 11:27 PM
Im just full of question :)
What is the KA-27/29/32 towing?
dipping sonar
And is this a Ming class submarine?
edited.
It's a Ming class alright.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/romeo-prc-DNST8908191.JPG
If I remember correct, this submarine shoule be the same one which invaded the Japanese territorial water near the Kagoshima island last year.
ohadbx
06-28-2004, 11:41 PM
Thaks for the info.
What is the bulge in the front of the Ming for?
Ghostwolf
06-29-2004, 12:51 AM
Thaks for the info.
What is the bulge in the front of the Ming for?
Bow mounted, medium frequency sonar(NATO codename: Pike Jaw) for passive/active search and attack. The later variants(Type 035A) were fitted with the DUUX-5 (low frequency) sonar.
Bayonet
06-29-2004, 01:19 AM
Im just full of question :)
What is the KA-27/29/32 towing?
If I remember correct, this submarine shoule be the same one which invaded the Japanese territorial water near the Kagoshima island last year.
No ,,,,,even Japanese admited that our sub were just sailing in the
international territorial water....we won't invade japanese territorial
water,,,,that's stupid and useless....
vryhpyammoadded
06-29-2004, 01:32 AM
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/romeo-prc-DNST8908191.JPG
If I remember correct, this submarine shoule be the same one which invaded the Japanese territorial water near the Kagoshima island last year.
Somebody mixed the red and white lead ;)
Does it come with a Chinese Tony Curtis and Cary Grant?
Seriously though, I love the sub pics on this thread. Great job! My father was in the US navy in the South China sea during the 60-70s. He's told me a few cool stories about Chinese subs. I'll see if I can dig up any old pictures.
Bayonet
06-29-2004, 01:59 AM
Seriously though, I love the sub pics on this thread. Great job! My father was in the US navy in the South China sea during the 60-70s. He's told me a few cool stories about Chinese subs. I'll see if I can dig up any old pictures.
Come on ....tell us those cool stories about our subs.... :D :D
Xingbake
06-29-2004, 02:13 AM
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/romeo-prc-DNST8908191.JPG
If I remember correct, this submarine shoule be the same one which invaded the Japanese territorial water near the Kagoshima island last year.
First of all, it is not "Invade". It was at mare liberum. Even the Japan didn't claim it was a "Invade".
Seondly, it was a Ming Class. And this picture is a R Class.
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs2/11018521/20040625/images/11749361_198882.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs2/11018521/20040625/images/11749403_198897.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/64869328902.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/63817148811.jpg
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http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/65755253271.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/74695264821.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/73633709151.jpg
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http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/73633709153.jpg[/img]
Bayonet
06-29-2004, 05:29 AM
Thats z-9
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/73633709151.jpg
Flight crew: One
Length (Without rotors): 13.46 m
Height (Without rotors): 3.47 m
Blades: Main rotor 4; tail rotor 13 (Z-9/A), or 11 (Z-9B)
Empty weight: 1,975 kg (Z-9), or 2,050 kg (Z-9A)
Maximum take-off weight: 3,850 kg (Z-9/A), or 4,100 kg (Z-9B)
Maximum payload: 1,900 kg
Maximum external payload on sling: 1,600 kg
Maximum speed: 305 km/h
Cruising speed: 250~260 km/h
Service ceiling: 4,500 m (Z-9/A), or 6,000 m (Z-9B)
Hover ceiling (out of ground effect): 1,020 m (Z-9/A), or 1,600 m (Z-9B)
Hover ceiling (in ground effect): 1,950 m (Z-9/A), or 2,600 m (Z-9B)
Range: 1,000 km
Flight endurance: 5 hours[/img]
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/28251671502.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/28251671504.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/28251671503.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/29127956263.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/29127956262.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/29127956261.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/56772308462.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/56772308461.jpg
ZeroPositive
06-29-2004, 01:21 PM
awesome photos as always :D
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-06-29/1088484039001.jpg[/url]
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs2/11018521/20040625/images/11749357_198881.jpg
039A
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs2/11018521/20040623/images/11745963_198135.jpg
K-8 trainer pilots.
b.scheller
06-30-2004, 12:39 AM
i know that you don't have to be in top physical shape in the airforce but goodness...those two guys there are kinda fat, dont you say?
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/34478696940.jpg
J-11(Su-27)
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/55306036961.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/39819317903.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/45885379934.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/45885379933.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/45885379932.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/49827169282.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/49827169281.jpg
i know that you don't have to be in top physical shape in the airforce but goodness...those two guys there are kinda fat, dont you say?
Hahah, kinda fat, I think so. :lol:
http://images.qianlong.com/mmsource/images/2003/09/17/P1010680m500logo.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/2003-07-24/3_27-1-3-667_20030724194240.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/2003-07-24/3_27-1-26-667_20030724194240.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/2003-07-24/3_27-1-318-667_20030724194240.jpg
http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/2003-07-24/3_27-1-319-667_20030724194240.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/15334097520.jpg
FBC-1
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/25113803510.jpg
Bayonet
06-30-2004, 07:23 AM
Maybe we need to post some pics about our anti-terriorist froce ... :D
J-11(Su-27) and pilots:
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/34741993300.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/34741993301.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/34741993304.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/14865270031.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/34741993303.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/34741993302.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/00427642472.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/00427642473.jpg
Biodegradation
07-01-2004, 01:49 AM
好多中国爷们儿啊
偶是冲着图片来的，看着自家东西好亲切
I`m from the village of Dalian.
Bayonet
07-01-2004, 05:30 AM
好多中国爷们儿啊
偶是冲着图片来的，看着自家东西好亲切
I`m from the village of Dalian.
Hello ....brother...welcome here...
but next time speak in English please.... :D
Xingbake
07-01-2004, 06:31 AM
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/96353706300.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/46142312820.jpg
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http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/38369829702.jpg[/url]
Lysander
07-01-2004, 09:07 AM
http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/2003-07-24/3_27-1-319-667_20030724194240.jpg
Is this a K8 off the Egyptian production line? Also, how does this plane compare to Western and Russian trainers (in terms of cost, maintenence, up keep, and capabilities)?
http://image2.sina.com.cn/jc/2003-07-24/3_27-1-319-667_20030724194240.jpg
Is this a K8 off the Egyptian production line? Also, how does this plane compare to Western and Russian trainers (in terms of cost, maintenence, up keep, and capabilities)?
Yeah, Egypt produce K-8E under licence.
SPECIFICATIONS
Crew: Two
Wingspan: 9.63 m
Length: 11.6 m
Height: 4.21 m
Maximum take-off weight: 4,332 kg
Maximum weapon payload: 1,000 kg
Maximum speed: 800 km/h
Range: Ferry range 2,140 km
Service ceiling: 13,600 m
I think K-8 trainer is on the same level of L－159B,eagle, MB339 and Mig-AT.
so many pics posted, and my contribution to this thread. some pics of exercises of PLA. some of them r taiwan related...(dont get over ensitive, its not NEW and not NEWS) :lol:
http://www.uploadimages.net/images/281923miliop1.jpg
http://www.uploadimages.net/images/145574miliop2.jpg
http://www.uploadimages.net/images/307560miliop3.jpg
http://www.uploadimages.net/images/994233miliop4.jpg
http://www.uploadimages.net/images/880223miliop5.jpg
http://www.uploadimages.net/images/125459miliop6.jpg
http://www.uploadimages.net/images/722813miliop7.jpg
http://www.uploadimages.net/images/391258miliop8.jpg
http://www.uploadimages.net/images/686963miliop9.jpg
buddies i am from hunan prov. i post our 95. :D
http://www.uploadimages.net/images/82383695.jpg[/quote]
Xingbake
07-02-2004, 01:56 AM
http://www.plapic.com.cn/photographer/a0025/images/long-1.jpg
http://www.plapic.com.cn/photographer/a0001/images/jmz_7.jpg
http://www.plapic.com.cn/photographer/a0001/images/jmz_2.jpg
http://www.plapic.com.cn/photographer/a0016/images/huangcaihong-15.jpg
http://www.plapic.com.cn/photographer/a0003/images/lf02.jpg
http://www.plapic.com.cn/photographer/a0003/images/lf09.jpg
http://www.plapic.com.cn/photographer/a0003/images/lf05.jpg
http://www.plapic.com.cn/photographer/a0009/images/qtf10.jpg
http://www.plapic.com.cn/photographer/a0009/images/qtf13.jpg
http://www.plapic.com.cn/photographer/a0009/images/qtf24.jpg
http://www.plapic.com.cn/photographer/a0009/images/qtf18.jpg
http://www.plapic.com.cn/photographer/a0018/images/yangyunfang_7.jpg
http://www.plapic.com.cn/photographer/a0018/images/yangyunfang_16.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/69912587483.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/01208710140.jpg
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McLane
07-03-2004, 03:59 AM
http://www.plapic.com.cn/photographer/a0003/images/lf09.jpg[/code]
What the hell is that? Is it for the soldiers to go 'straight'? For a parade or something else?
Great pics man!
Bayonet
07-03-2004, 04:18 AM
http://www.plapic.com.cn/photographer/a0003/images/lf09.jpg[/code]
Great pics man!
Great men in pics... :D
joakin
07-03-2004, 04:24 AM
q tal , Saludos:
-Por supuesto grandes hombres
-pero que curioso,que cosas
-Fotografias estupendas todas
-Salud.......................................................................
Bayonet
07-03-2004, 04:29 AM
q tal , Saludos:
-Por supuesto grandes hombres
-pero que curioso,que cosas
-Fotografias estupendas todas
-Salud.......................................................................
?Spanish?
joakin
07-03-2004, 04:33 AM
q tal , Saludos:Bayonet
-Exacto, Espańa
-Espańa es diferente
-Salud..............................................................................
Bayonet
07-03-2004, 04:36 AM
q tal , Saludos:Bayonet
-Exacto, Espańa
-Espańa es diferente
-Salud..............................................................................
?????????
............. :oops: I cant read it
Xingbake
07-03-2004, 04:55 AM
What the hell is that? Is it for the soldiers to go 'straight'? For a parade or something else?
Great pics man!
You are very smart, buddy!! It is a method to train the soldiers to stand straight during a parade exceise.
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/10911824574.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/12686507514.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/12686507513.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/03003371804.jpg
droopy
07-04-2004, 09:37 AM
sorry for the bad translation.
PeoplesPoster
07-04-2004, 12:38 PM
q tal , Saludos:
-Por supuesto grandes hombres
-pero que curioso,que cosas
-Fotografias estupendas todas
-Salud.......................................................................
My Spnaish is a little rusty but it said:
All pictures are stupid
I wonder whatever happened to the speak english only army that was running around couple of days b*tching at everyone to speak english.
edit: I'm glad he liked the pictures though. :)
droopy
07-04-2004, 03:47 PM
q tal , Saludos:
-Por supuesto grandes hombres
-pero que curioso,que cosas
-Fotografias estupendas todas
-Salud.......................................................................
My Spnaish is a little rusty but it said:
All pictures are stupid
EDIT: or it could mean Amazing Pictures.Maea culpa :slap:
I`m sorry if i`m wrong :roll:
Tengu
07-04-2004, 04:39 PM
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/34265353772.jpg
now THAT is impressive
b.scheller
07-04-2004, 05:48 PM
They're prep-ing for the invasion of some nudist resorts... ;)
rofl
DizBukHaPeter
07-04-2004, 08:32 PM
If thats a nudist resort, than its one crappy nudist resort.
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-04/1088932990111.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-04/1088933226111.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/35596233464.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-04/1088949079200432016501182966.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/69105243540.jpg
http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/200452913215420.jpg
2RHPZ
07-05-2004, 02:17 AM
I am not clue if this has been already posted ´cause I have no time to go thru tons of PLA pix here at the forum ... if it was sorry for that ...
http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/tjc.jpg
Xingbake
07-05-2004, 10:52 AM
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-03/10888648011088845048IMG0166.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-03/1088863431219522003-11-1111-50-47.jpg
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http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs/11018441/20040628/images/11753341_199597.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs/11018441/20040628/images/11753341_199595.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-06/108907042334659480440.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs/11018441/20040628/images/11753351_199598.jpg
http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs/11018441/20040627/images/11751655_199284.jpg
FC-1
ZeroPositive
07-06-2004, 05:09 AM
wow awesome photos as always :D
ZeroPositive
07-06-2004, 05:10 AM
wow awesome photos as always :D
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/52706826840.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/04625268290.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/19720100982.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/50571861613.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/50571861611.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/36714026132.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/36714026130.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/12749158920.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/00605271730.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/89536673340.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-06/108911762401-AA38.jpg
don't post some outmoded blurry pic .
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-04/1088922172921.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-04/1088921844QLZ874.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-04/1088920593038smJWyZaVvOOO.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-03/1088845257009V7YfofSKTl7H.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-03/1088844558006BTKal8kn1PLD.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-03/1088847733018JYvSa75Lprhu.jpg
type 56 submachine gun
http://www.cjdby.com/showimg.asp?BoardID=10&filename=2003125056989753.jpg
type QBZ56C submachine gun
http://www.cjdby.com/showimg.asp?BoardID=10&filename=2003125112279452.jpg
http://www.cjdby.com/showimg.asp?BoardID=10&filename=2003125113763987.jpg
type 63 automatic rifle
http://www.cjdby.com/showimg.asp?BoardID=10&filename=2003125134073517.jpg
type 81 automatic rifle
http://www.cjdby.com/showimg.asp?BoardID=10&filename=2003125163760818.jpg
type 87 automatic rifle
http://www.cjdby.com/showimg.asp?BoardID=10&filename=20031260434369947.jpg
type 95 automatic rifle
http://www.cjdby.com/showimg.asp?BoardID=10&filename=20031260492940217.jpg
http://www.cjdby.com/showimg.asp?BoardID=10&filename=20031260491231722.jpg
http://www.cjdby.com/showimg.asp?BoardID=10&filename=20031260503920405.jpg
http://www.armycolor.com/bbs/UploadFile/20047612541389200.jpg
http://www.armycolor.com/bbs/UploadFile/20047612511540507.jpg
Bayonet
07-07-2004, 01:43 AM
Great work as well
Well done , chinese brothers,
I will take my final exams these days..(God bless me) ;)
So I have no time to update this thread
But I have told my code to some guys ,so they will help me to update this
topic..
wy: Nice pics :D
Bayonet: Do you pass all subjects. :P
Xingbake
07-07-2004, 04:56 AM
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http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/09242059650.jpg
Xingbake
07-07-2004, 05:08 AM
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http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/82287128453.jpg
Bayonet
07-08-2004, 07:59 AM
HAHA Great Pics...Great PLA.....and emmmm Great Poster! woot
SpikeATGM
07-08-2004, 08:06 AM
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/14147964322.jpg
How come fighter pilot dun wear G-suit?
Bayonet
07-08-2004, 08:24 AM
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/14147964322.jpg
How come fighter pilot dun wear G-suit?
Pay attention to his neck,,,may be he wear G-suit inside the uniform.I guess.
ZeroPositive
07-08-2004, 11:22 AM
Cool photos as always
http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/2004529104543435.jpg
http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/2004529104632810.jpg
http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/2004529104644642.jpg
http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/200452910413387.jpg
http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/2004529104843997.jpg
http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/2004529104543435.jpg
http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/2004529104632810.jpg
http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/2004529104644642.jpg
http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/200452910413387.jpg
http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/2004529104843997.jpg
http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/2004529104543435.jpg
http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/2004529104632810.jpg
http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/2004529104644642.jpg
http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/200452910413387.jpg
http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/2004529104843997.jpg
b.scheller
07-08-2004, 05:37 PM
http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/2004529104644642.jpg
some nasty ass-sweat stains... :lol:
sorry for resending these pictures so many times. can't find the cross to delete the post. :(
Durandal
07-08-2004, 06:33 PM
Nice pics, but can you supply some info on them when you post please?
Ghostwolf
07-08-2004, 08:48 PM
Got some new stuff here
Dock technicians onboard a Type 052C destroyer(ship number 170) loading what appears to
be SA-N-6 Grumble(S-300 Rif), or the HQ-9(Chinese licensed copy of S-300 Rif) onto a vertical
launcher, possibly the Russian B-303A vertical launch system.
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/48203076102.jpg
SA-N-6 missile canister(green) on deck, ready to be loaded.
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/46026838630.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/46026838631.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/46026838632.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/44609702120.jpg
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/44609702121.jpg
Two Type-730 CIWS(similar to the Dutch Goalkeeper CIWS) can be seen on the left of photo.
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/64071070212.jpg
phased array radar antenna?? (center)
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/64071070213.jpg
rodin_hsu
07-09-2004, 01:55 AM
Holy God! You guys probably have dumped all the pics from Chinese sites to here. Guess I don't need to visit Chinese military website anymore...
Ghostwolf
07-09-2004, 02:56 AM
Holy God! You guys probably have dumped all the pics from Chinese sites to here. Guess I don't need to visit Chinese military website anymore...
Nah not quite, I just went over to their website and dug up some
interesting ones that they did not show here, besides I'm kinda
tired of the old pics they show here.
ZeroPositive
07-09-2004, 04:12 AM
http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-5/2004529104644642.jpg
some nasty ass-sweat stains... :lol:
I wasn't looking out for that.... ur worrying me I dunno about the rest of you but isn't it worrying when a bloke picks out ass sweat???
tomcat1974
07-09-2004, 05:14 AM
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/14147964322.jpg
How come fighter pilot dun wear G-suit?
Maybe because he don't need it for a training exercice.
If they followed the russian Pilot recruitment procedures, then he doesn't need a G suit up to 5 G. The russian procedures was to test each phisical candidate to become pilot to a serie of tests. A candidate MUST have 5G natural resistence to be accepted.
Durandal
07-09-2004, 09:11 AM
I wasn't looking out for that.... ur worrying me I dunno about the rest of you but isn't it worrying when a bloke picks out ass sweat???
No, not really. That is after all the subject of the photo.
b.scheller
07-09-2004, 09:16 AM
haha, i only picked it out; because I though it was rather humourous. Anyway I've never had such a bad case of sweat-ass, even though once I had to stand at attention holding a paddle at a 180 degrees in the blazing sun...
ahh what fun... :lol:
Bayonet
07-09-2004, 09:34 AM
haha, i only picked it out; because I though it was rather humourous. Anyway I've never had such a bad case of sweat-ass, even though once I had to stand at attention holding a paddle at a 180 degrees in the blazing sun...
ahh what fun... :lol:
How long can you stand at attention holding a paddle at a 180 degrees in the blazing sun?
b.scheller
07-09-2004, 10:04 AM
i lasted a half an hour before, in 35 C (plus humidex)...of course we had to run a half a mile before that and with asthma...
ok, i think a better question would be:
what do you think that the first thing you can do when you get dismissed after a 30 minutes attention.
b.scheller
07-09-2004, 11:31 AM
either drop dead or run to the closest body of water... :lol:
either drop dead or run to the closest body of water... :lol:
but if you take PLA's traning, the first thing you could do is to try to feel your feet. :lol: you cant move at all if you have followed all rules for an attention. Officers use this to check if anybody shirks.
Bayonet
07-09-2004, 11:37 AM
i lasted a half an hour before, in 35 C (plus humidex)...of course we had to run a half a mile before that and with asthma...
I stood at attention for 30 minutes each time and about 6-7 times one day in military training in the first summer holiday of senior high school....
The first thing I want to do is to drink ,drink and drink........
i lasted a half an hour before, in 35 C (plus humidex)...of course we had to run a half a mile before that and with asthma...
I stood at attention for 30 minutes each time and about 6-7 times one day in military training in the first summer holiday of senior high school....
The first thing I want to do is to drink ,drink and drink........
BOY, if your instructor was good enough, you even cant move for water.. :lol: btw, good pics
Bayonet
07-09-2004, 12:05 PM
i lasted a half an hour before, in 35 C (plus humidex)...of course we had to run a half a mile before that and with asthma...
I stood at attention for 30 minutes each time and about 6-7 times one day in military training in the first summer holiday of senior high school....
The first thing I want to do is to drink ,drink and drink........
BOY, if your instructor was good enough, you even cant move for water.. :lol: btw, good pics
I was a senior high school student in the military training. not a PLA soldier.. :D .... Do you have a military training when you enter a senior high school?
Bayonet
07-10-2004, 09:34 AM
China's Special Forces...
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-10/10894201532004623171044553.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-10/108942138520047920481575.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-10/1089421353200462010150352.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-10/1089421313200476232018404.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-10/1089421334200462317115293.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-10/10894212382004619162652117.jpg
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-10/10894212112004617123331550.jpg[/b]
banjo302
07-10-2004, 11:49 AM
顶！各位老大辛苦啦…… ;)
Durandal
07-10-2004, 02:07 PM
Damn, is she rolling a Remington 870?
Standard Riot gun with an upper heat shield.
[http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-10/108942138520047920481575.jpg
khukuri
07-10-2004, 06:41 PM
Whats that strange smg im seeing in many china pics
regards
Durandal
07-10-2004, 07:07 PM
I believe that is a Type 79 SMG.
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/type79_submachine762_1.jpg
Older
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/type79_submachine762_3.jpg
Upgraded
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/type79_submachine762_2.jpg
w/Tactical Light and Laser
Edit: This shoots a 7.62x25mm pistol cartridge.
Some more photos, some from the series posted at the top of the page.
http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/CHN_Police_41.jpg
http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/12_4.jpg
http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/21_3.jpg
http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/20030510135222651611499072.jpg
http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard/uploads/CHN_Police_39.jpg
ZeroPositive
07-10-2004, 07:09 PM
cool never seen pics of the SMG with add on bits...
Joshisonfire
07-10-2004, 08:57 PM
How does it compare to other SMG?
Bayonet
07-10-2004, 10:22 PM
Type 79
http://test.yangzhong.net.cn/yzrwb/gfjy/gfkj/qwq/cfq/upload/1056943043953.jpg
designed in 1979
caliber: 7.62
span : 470/740(with gunstock)
weight :1.9kg
initial speed:515m/s
firing rate :1000/m
effective range:200m
Bayonet
07-10-2004, 10:26 PM
Type 85
http://photo.sohu.com/2004/03/26/57/Img219615766.jpg
caliber: 5.28mm/7.62mm
initial speed: 500m/s
weight : 1.95kg
span:444mm/682mm
range 200m
http://www.armysky.com/bbs/UploadFile/2004-7/200471012253409.jpg
http://www.cjdby.com/showimg.asp?BoardID=6&filename=2004-7/200473233328363.jpg
http://www.cjdby.com/showimg.asp?BoardID=6&filename=2004-7/200473233345806.jpg
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http://www.cjdby.com/showimg.asp?BoardID=6&filename=2004-7/200473235057384.jpg
http://www.cjdby.com/showimg.asp?BoardID=6&filename=2004-7/2004740624527.jpg
http://www.cjdby.com/showimg.asp?BoardID=6&filename=2004-7/2004740640363.jpg
good pics, and those r SWAT teams and anti-terrorism units of armed police force. (while not military special forces :lol: ) type 79 is widely used by police now. and the latest designed SMG may be this one.
http://www.uploadimages.net/images/704456200311923455344147.jpg
very good!
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.[/img]
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-10/1089424682Image42.jpg
http://img24.exs.cx/img24/1553/108947162120047102255470.jpg
UAV
Durandal
07-11-2004, 01:42 PM
How does it compare to other SMG?
My guess is that the stated effective range is probably less than the 200 meters quoted. Its a pistol cartridge subgun, just like any other, with possibly a longer barrel than most.
Having never shot the 7.62x25 Tokarev pistol cartridge I can only recite online and printed sources...so take it for what it is worth...
Crappy example...
Hornady 86gr FMJ
4.6 gr powder charge
1076 fps MV
8.1 f/s deviation
221 ft/lb energy
The best example...
85gr FMJ mag (Czech)
??? gr powder charge
1544 fps MV
10.7 ft/s deviation
450 ft/lb energy
So like "most" guns it sort of depends on what ammunition you use. Older Soviet 7.62x25 is considered highly "erratic" and VERY corrosive..as is a big a chunk of the Chinses stuff. There is also a lot of variation in the ammo. Some rounds are REALLY hot depending on what weapon it is to be used in (sort of like the difference between a Vickers .303 and the .303 used in Enfields. So be careful.
So, based on the information I have read, as a collector I would avoid it and anything of that caliber with possibly the exception of a the CZ 52 which is a "fairly" decent large frame handgun.
I think German subguns like the MP5 and UMP are probably a whole lot nicer and controllable and over all better designed...but are FAR more expensive for a law enforcement export market (even if the UMP was designed as a cheaper alternative to the MP5). Which may or may not matter.
The European PDWs are also comparable, such as the MP7 and the P90, both of which surpass the Type 79 in ballistics, penetration, and energy as well and ergonomics even though both shoot a much smaller round. The Chinese simply took an existing mass produced com-bloc cartridge and made their own gun to fit it.
Ultimately, I would hope the Chinese government would give their people the top of the line ammo, so the concerns for their national market are probably not even as dire as I make it seem to be.
Raistlin
07-11-2004, 01:59 PM
That's some cool looking UAV.
Durandal
07-11-2004, 02:09 PM
I've been thinking. We have seen a lot of cool pictures of new stuff that the Chinese are equipping their forces with OR in the middle of R&D, but how much of it REALLY works? Also, what level of training have their troops received to integrate new systems within their military force structure.
My favorite comparison is with the IBCT being deployed in Iraq were we see a massive integration from a new battle rifle/carbine, to APC concepts, to tactical control and independent operations, to information gathering and assets (each Brigade has a large number of UAVs...that you would normally see at Division level).
Which is ultimately the issue. Pictures are great...I know I love seeing them and is obviously the category of the portion of the Forums...but just exactly how will all this stuff play out?
To echo Tane,
"Just some thoughts."
Bayonet
07-12-2004, 09:54 AM
I've been thinking. We have seen a lot of cool pictures of new stuff that the Chinese are equipping their forces with OR in the middle of R&D, but how much of it REALLY works? Also, what level of training have their troops received to integrate new systems within their military force structure.
My favorite comparison is with the IBCT being deployed in Iraq were we see a massive integration from a new battle rifle/carbine, to APC concepts, to tactical control and independent operations, to information gathering and assets (each Brigade has a large number of UAVs...that you would normally see at Division level).
Which is ultimately the issue. Pictures are great...I know I love seeing them and is obviously the category of the portion of the Forums...but just exactly how will all this stuff play out?
To echo Tane,
"Just some thoughts."
p-) ......I should say sometimes we chinese people also worry about this..
We have many new , morden and powerful weapons now BUT .......
You know,PLA is a very mysterious organization...Even chinese people
dont know it clearly....And PLA havent fight for a long time...It's very hard
to evaluate it only depends on some new weapons...
SUREFIRE
07-12-2004, 01:38 PM
here is my thought on this:
whats the point posting all these vintage junks (for lack of a better term)? as far as I can recall, china hasnt been able to win any war or conflict ever since it became red in 1949.
PeoplesPoster
07-12-2004, 04:19 PM
here is my thought on this:
whats the point posting all these vintage junks (for lack of a better term)? as far as I can recall, china hasnt been able to win any war or conflict ever since it became red in 1949.
God just shutup, people like you embarass me to be an American.
SpikeATGM
07-12-2004, 04:22 PM
here is my thought on this:
whats the point posting all these vintage junks (for lack of a better term)? as far as I can recall, china hasnt been able to win any war or conflict ever since it became red in 1949.
I am impress with your historical knowledge. :D
Durandal
07-12-2004, 07:47 PM
here is my thought on this:
whats the point posting all these vintage junks (for lack of a better term)? as far as I can recall, china hasnt been able to win any war or conflict ever since it became red in 1949.
Ahhh ignorance is bliss.
First, this is a military PHOTOS forum. Now, I know most people have enough brain cells to scrape together to realize that the photos posted by the Chinese members of our forum...and those that are not Chinese but contributed (like myself)...are MILITARY photos.
I see that you, having joined a week or so ago and having only posted less than ten times may not realize that this what we do here...part of it at least...the big part.
I suggest you keep your trap shut and learn rather than jump in post inane comments and look like a jackass.
With that said...
You have something to learn form what is being posted here. For the longest period of time, China has been far behind the other world powers in terms of conventional military forces. Not to step of those of Chinese origins here, but Chi Com stuff was crap, period.
This was, in part a result of China focusing mostly on internal policing and security issues and acquiring a large nuclear capacity. Around 1979 China realized that its conventional military deficiencies were getting worse, as proved by their failed invasion of Vietnam and thus began focusing on a new style of development.
In 1985 they started "zaoda, dada, da he zhanzheng" translated, literally, if I am not mistaken as...an early war, an all-out war, and a nuclear war". Rather than focusing on one single arm the decided to tackle the whole deal and try to get it as well rounded as possible. Well, China's economy was in the crapper for a long time...you could probably say it finally got its head above water in the 90s. Which means it has the cash to actually start developing hi-tech, even if currently a generation behind us...example: The J-10 is a nice leap in aviation technology (thanks a lot Israel ;) ) but this is their, essentially, first F-15 or F-16. It is at least twenty years behind say...the F-22 and lacks the support to take advantage of its capabilities (one on one dogfighting is NOT what we are talking about here...but multi layered air doctrine which the CHinese lack almost as much as the do in Naval force projection).
It is however, a leap none the less. A big one. So what else is going on out there? Taiwan is a massive issue. China has never really looked at a multi-ocean navy and currently they can barely project into the Straits, but that is changing too. Their focus is STILL on the Straits, but they are no longer churning out SSN 688 (sorry guys, your Navy is CRAPFUL, period)...well possibly, since we know little about the ships other than look sort of high-tech and stealthy.
The point of all this is. Know thy enemy. I love the CHinese people, but I cannot stand their government and this forum lets me vent and discuss that a bit with the Chinese, as well as see some nice photos of their military and security forces. They have shared with us images that some of the members of this forum have NEVER seen simply because others focus, narrowly on European, American/Canadian, Russian, and/or Israeli. Well, hate to break it to you, low tech or not, China has a military, the largest in the world. Just because their jeeps look like pressed tin does not mean they cannot post.
So, repeat after me. "This is a MILITARY PHOTOS forum." "The Chinese members are posting MILITARY PHOTOS."
See it isn't THAT hard to understand. :D
Durandal
07-12-2004, 07:50 PM
For the CHinese Members of this forum...
Ni hao!
I took six years of Chinese between High School and College. That was 15 years ago. I have heard that Mandarin is no longer the national language. Is this true?
What is it now, Cantonese?
Xiexie in advance for the reply.
ZeroPositive
07-12-2004, 08:20 PM
errrr Cantonese is spoken in Hong Kong but to all I still know Mandarin is still the norm in Mainland China but saying that in the Mainland there are a lot of dialects...
Bayonet
07-12-2004, 08:30 PM
For the CHinese Members of this forum...
Ni hao!
I took six years of Chinese between High School and College. That was 15 years ago. I have heard that Mandarin is no longer the national language. Is this true?
What is it now, Cantonese?
Xiexie in advance for the reply.
Ni Hao.....I have many foreign teachers ...I like them..
Who told you Mandarin is no longer the national language??
But we dont call it Mandarin, we call it "Pu Tong Hua"----general language
In taiwan, they call it Guo Yu----National Language...the same to Pu Tong
Hua.
Most of chinese people speak in General Language to communicate with
people from other provinces, I dont know someone
who cant speak General language....Maybe only some people from
YunNan or XinJiang cant speak Pu Tong Hua very well..
15 years ago ,that's 1989....haha....we wont forget what happened
In this 15 years ,great changes happened in China.....
People are more open now.....Do not believe your ears now...
If you have time you can visit China again, that's not expensive... woot
I live in Shanghai...
Hen Gao Xing Ren Shi Ni..........
For the CHinese Members of this forum...
Ni hao!
I took six years of Chinese between High School and College. That was 15 years ago. I have heard that Mandarin is no longer the national language. Is this true?
What is it now, Cantonese?
Xiexie in advance for the reply.
OMG. u also study Chinese Durandal? it is difficult. Dont u think so? What a pity u have never been to china. GOD! u would like chinese food!!!! I have to say that there is no chance to eat REAL delicious chinese food except going to china. I will soon eat those in the end of this month. lucky. :D
btw, chinese girls r...god...gorgeous.
holy ****, these r all non-military related. :lol: sorry about these. as compensation
http://www.uploadimages.net/images/596654airmissle.jpg
http://www.uploadimages.net/images/204099apc551.jpg
rodin_hsu
07-13-2004, 01:19 AM
For the CHinese Members of this forum...
Ni hao!
I took six years of Chinese between High School and College. That was 15 years ago. I have heard that Mandarin is no longer the national language. Is this true?
Xiexie in advance for the reply.
You probably heard this rumor from some people from Taiwan.
Speaking Mandarin in Taiwan now is not political right, especially in the southern part of Taiwan. They got some paranoid to resist anything related to CHINA.
If the native Taiwanese successfully construct their "Republic of Taiwan", Madarin could be abandoned to be a National language.
Bayonet
07-13-2004, 08:13 AM
[OMG. u also study Chinese Durandal? it is difficult. Dont u think so? What a pity u have never been to china. GOD! u would like chinese food!!!! I have to say that there is no chance to eat REAL delicious chinese food except going to china. I will soon eat those in the end of this month. lucky. :D
btw, chinese girls r...god...gorgeous.
holy ****, these r all non-military related. :lol: sorry about these. as compensation
Welcome to CHINA. woot woot woot ...haha.....Which city will you visit?
Bayonet
07-13-2004, 08:15 AM
For the CHinese Members of this forum...
Ni hao!
I took six years of Chinese between High School and College. That was 15 years ago. I have heard that Mandarin is no longer the national language. Is this true?
Xiexie in advance for the reply.
You probably heard this rumor from some people from Taiwan.
Speaking Mandarin in Taiwan now is not political right, especially in the southern part of Taiwan. They got some paranoid to resist anything related to CHINA.
If the native Taiwanese successfully construct their "Republic of Taiwan", Madarin could be abandoned to be a National language.
Hello...taiwanese....May I call you brother? haha .....
Ni hao ....May I ask you wether you support the independence or not?
[OMG. u also study Chinese Durandal? it is difficult. Dont u think so? What a pity u have never been to china. GOD! u would like chinese food!!!! I have to say that there is no chance to eat REAL delicious chinese food except going to china. I will soon eat those in the end of this month. lucky. :D
btw, chinese girls r...god...gorgeous.
holy ****, these r all non-military related. :lol: sorry about these. as compensation
Welcome to CHINA. woot woot woot ...haha.....Which city will you visit?
Beijing
Durandal
07-13-2004, 09:28 AM
OMG. u also study Chinese Durandal? it is difficult. Dont u think so? What a pity u have never been to china. GOD! u would like chinese food!!!! I have to say that there is no chance to eat REAL delicious chinese food except going to china. I will soon eat those in the end of this month. lucky. :D
Yeah, my High School offered it along with Russian and Portuguese, in addition to the normal French, Spanish, and German. We also had to take three years of Latin as well...yep, language skills were considered VERY important there...and it was a public school to boot!
With that said, in college, my first two years, I was a dual major..Chinese Language/Culture and Modern European/Military history....I guess you could have called it 2 majors and 2 minors since Ohio State did not offer a military or culture majors...they were more like concentrations. I was in Army ROTC trying to get into aviation (helicopters) and my uncle was waiting for me to finish to get me hired on to AAI (a defence contractor here in the United States) as their commercial helicopter production rep in China. Then China crushed the the Student Democracy movement in 1989 and massive cut backs in our military spending during Bush Sr. sent me in a different direction. So, I became a graphic designer.
Oh, and I have visited Taiwan, though it was in 1988. My girl friend at the time was first generation Taiwanese American and had family that still lived there. That was a interesting experience. I was never introduced as her boy friend...just a friend that came along to meet folks that spoke Chinese to get practice. Her family REALLY did not approve of her dating a white guy, so she kept it quiet.
Food was great of course and I had hoped to make it to the mainland at the time, but that was a hassle, so I never did.
Now, my language skills are lacking with ten or so years of not using it, except when we were doing some stuff for P&G when they were opening up their division in Osaka, Japan...a lot of paper products were being printed there and sent to China, believe it or not, and we handled all the package designs.
So, with that said...
Wo bu hui shua Zhongguo hua...much. I know my numbers (yi, ar, sen, su wu....yi-shi-ar etc) and enough to be friendly or confused. :)
Hell, I probably got the numbers wrong.
As far as learning it goes. Speaking it is a snap so long as you can hit the tones correctly. It is one of the more simple languages to learn...and trust me, after three years of Latin, Chinese was a breeze. Two words...NO declensions! I always struggled with reading it though...I was good for a while, but THAT is what truly suffered from no longer studying or using it.
Zaijian, ming tian jian!
Yeah, my High School offered it along with Russian and Portuguese, in addition to the normal French, Spanish, and German. We also had to take three years of Latin as well...yep, language skills were considered VERY important there...and it was a public school to boot!
With that said, in college, my first two years, I was a dual major..Chinese Language/Culture and Modern European/Military history....I guess you could have called it 2 majors and 2 minors since Ohio State did not offer a military or culture majors...they were more like concentrations. I was in Army ROTC trying to get into aviation (helicopters) and my uncle was waiting for me to finish to get me hired on to AAI (a defence contractor here in the United States) as their commercial helicopter production rep in China. Then China crushed the the Student Democracy movement in 1989 and massive cut backs in our military spending during Bush Sr. sent me in a different direction. So, I became a graphic designer.
Oh, and I have visited Taiwan, though it was in 1988. My girl friend at the time was first generation Taiwanese American and had family that still lived there. That was a interesting experience. I was never introduced as her boy friend...just a friend that came along to meet folks that spoke Chinese to get practice. Her family REALLY did not approve of her dating a white guy, so she kept it quiet.
Food was great of course and I had hoped to make it to the mainland at the time, but that was a hassle, so I never did.
Now, my language skills are lacking with ten or so years of not using it, except when we were doing some stuff for P&G when they were opening up their division in Osaka, Japan...a lot of paper products were being printed there and sent to China, believe it or not, and we handled all the package designs.
So, with that said...
Wo bu hui shua Zhongguo hua...much. I know my numbers (yi, ar, sen, su wu....yi-shi-ar etc) and enough to be friendly or confused. :)
Hell, I probably got the numbers wrong.
As far as learning it goes. Speaking it is a snap so long as you can hit the tones correctly. It is one of the more simple languages to learn...and trust me, after three years of Latin, Chinese was a breeze. Two words...NO declensions! I always struggled with reading it though...I was good for a while, but THAT is what truly suffered from no longer studying or using it.
Zaijian, ming tian jian!
Well, very impressive. Durandal. u still remember those things after so many years and most important of all, u still keep ur passion on military for years!! GREAT!!u know although the politics sucks hard (that is why i never talk politics here or try to avoid it, but most businessmen doing biz in china have get used to it. those from GE, BOEING, GM, FORD, P&G, WALMART, companies of Fortune 500 whatever u can remember ), but chinese people r quite good and friendly. i mean they will treat u fair and well. and believe it or not, I ALMOST have worked for P&G, but things got changed... :lol:
I remember u asked something about chinese SMG, oh trust me, I would prefer MP5...(this is the truth guys, I have also got chance to shot type 79)
Xingbake
07-13-2004, 10:43 AM
here is my thought on this:
whats the point posting all these vintage junks (for lack of a better term)? as far as I can recall, china hasnt been able to win any war or conflict ever since it became red in 1949.
I am impress with your historical knowledge. :D\
Me too :lol: :lol:
Bayonet
07-13-2004, 07:50 PM
[OMG. u also study Chinese Durandal? it is difficult. Dont u think so? What a pity u have never been to china. GOD! u would like chinese food!!!! I have to say that there is no chance to eat REAL delicious chinese food except going to china. I will soon eat those in the end of this month. lucky. :D
btw, chinese girls r...god...gorgeous.
holy ****, these r all non-military related. :lol: sorry about these. as compensation
Welcome to CHINA. woot woot woot ...haha.....Which city will you visit?
Beijing
Beijing is very good...J-10 lives in Beijing...You can feel an real old China there.
But....I think Beijing people dont protect many historic sites very well..
If you have a chance to visit Shanghai,....HAHA.....WELCOME!!!
Chinese PLA
07-14-2004, 02:35 AM
Perfact pics
moughoun
07-14-2004, 02:53 AM
HAHA, your all doing exactly what us evil westerner's wanted you to, keeping all the Chinese forumer's in 1 thread p-)
rodin_hsu
07-14-2004, 03:02 AM
Hello...taiwanese....May I call you brother? haha .....
Ni hao ....May I ask you wether you support the independence or not?
I recognize myself as a Chinese so you can call me brother. No problem.
I don't support Taiwan independence but neither do I support reunification under PRC. I am pro-status-quo. However, the "status quo" is changing by Taiwan independence movement, and that would bring us with disaster.
I don't like Chinese communist party, especially Mao. The present PRC government is much more acceptable, but their political attitude to Hong Kong democracy is totally unacceptable. I promise you. If your government keep treating Hong-Kong politics in that way, you will face more and more hostile people here including me.
rodin_hsu
07-14-2004, 03:12 AM
HAHA, your all doing exactly what us evil westerner's wanted you to, keeping all the Chinese forumer's in 1 thread p-)
HA HA ... Wellcome to join us. :D
BTW, nice avatar ... ;)
Hello...taiwanese....May I call you brother? haha .....
Ni hao ....May I ask you wether you support the independence or not?
I recognize myself as a Chinese so you can call me brother. No problem.
I don't support Taiwan independence but neither do I support reunification under PRC. I am pro-status-quo. However, the "status quo" is changing by Taiwan independence movement, and that would bring us with disaster.
I don't like Chinese communist party, especially Mao. The present PRC government is much more acceptable, but their political attitude to Hong Kong democracy is totally unacceptable. I promise you. If your government keep treating Hong-Kong politics in that way, you will face more and more hostile people here including me.
Hehe, your comment is acceptable :lol: I support democracy progress in mainland.
Hello...taiwanese....May I call you brother? haha .....
Ni hao ....May I ask you wether you support the independence or not?
I recognize myself as a Chinese so you can call me brother. No problem.
I don't support Taiwan independence but neither do I support reunification under PRC. I am pro-status-quo. However, the "status quo" is changing by Taiwan independence movement, and that would bring us with disaster.
I don't like Chinese communist party, especially Mao. The present PRC government is much more acceptable, but their political attitude to Hong Kong democracy is totally unacceptable. I promise you. If your government keep treating Hong-Kong politics in that way, you will face more and more hostile people here including me.
I think if GCD government take taiwan peacefully, it will bring taiwan more freedom to develop. Because taiwan is different from HongKong any way.
But if taiwan is token by force, taiwaness have to take the bad damage from the war.
alscho
07-14-2004, 11:06 AM
Hello...taiwanese....May I call you brother? haha .....
Ni hao ....May I ask you wether you support the independence or not?
I recognize myself as a Chinese so you can call me brother. No problem.
I don't support Taiwan independence but neither do I support reunification under PRC. I am pro-status-quo. However, the "status quo" is changing by Taiwan independence movement, and that would bring us with disaster.
I don't like Chinese communist party, especially Mao. The present PRC government is much more acceptable, but their political attitude to Hong Kong democracy is totally unacceptable. I promise you. If your government keep treating Hong-Kong politics in that way, you will face more and more hostile people here including me.
I think if GCD government take taiwan peacefully, it will bring taiwan more freedom to develop. Because taiwan is different from HongKong any way.
But if taiwan is token by force, taiwaness have to take the bad damage from the war.
Yea Hkers are different. We are MAD AS HELL :fork:
We don't want independence, we just want the autonomy guarenteed in the basic laws. Yet Beijing refused to live up to the promise and produced a 1/2 million demonstration two years in a row! (HK population: 6 million) 1/12 of the population went to the streets two years in a row. Any democratic government would have collapsed after the first demonstration..
They even blackmailed the 3 political mouthpieces of hk. They ar silented now to protect their family.. More so, mainland government officials told HK-visitors to China to vote for this pro-China party in the up coming election.. The chief executive of HK, the puppet of Beijing was re-elected 'democraticlly' by 700 pro-China political elites of HK.. Dispite the fact we all want him dead.
If mainland is to win the hearts and minds of Tawain, it won't be this generation.
Sorry for this outburst.
Cheers,
OMG. u also study Chinese Durandal? it is difficult. Dont u think so? What a pity u have never been to china. GOD! u would like chinese food!!!! I have to say that there is no chance to eat REAL delicious chinese food except going to china. I will soon eat those in the end of this month. lucky. :D
Yeah, my High School offered it along with Russian and Portuguese, in addition to the normal French, Spanish, and German. We also had to take three years of Latin as well...yep, language skills were considered VERY important there...and it was a public school to boot!
With that said, in college, my first two years, I was a dual major..Chinese Language/Culture and Modern European/Military history....I guess you could have called it 2 majors and 2 minors since Ohio State did not offer a military or culture majors...they were more like concentrations. I was in Army ROTC trying to get into aviation (helicopters) and my uncle was waiting for me to finish to get me hired on to AAI (a defence contractor here in the United States) as their commercial helicopter production rep in China. Then China crushed the the Student Democracy movement in 1989 and massive cut backs in our military spending during Bush Sr. sent me in a different direction. So, I became a graphic designer.
Oh, and I have visited Taiwan, though it was in 1988. My girl friend at the time was first generation Taiwanese American and had family that still lived there. That was a interesting experience. I was never introduced as her boy friend...just a friend that came along to meet folks that spoke Chinese to get practice. Her family REALLY did not approve of her dating a white guy, so she kept it quiet.
Food was great of course and I had hoped to make it to the mainland at the time, but that was a hassle, so I never did.
Now, my language skills are lacking with ten or so years of not using it, except when we were doing some stuff for P&G when they were opening up their division in Osaka, Japan...a lot of paper products were being printed there and sent to China, believe it or not, and we handled all the package designs.
So, with that said...
Wo bu hui shua Zhongguo hua...much. I know my numbers (yi, ar, sen, su wu....yi-shi-ar etc) and enough to be friendly or confused. :)
Hell, I probably got the numbers wrong.
As far as learning it goes. Speaking it is a snap so long as you can hit the tones correctly. It is one of the more simple languages to learn...and trust me, after three years of Latin, Chinese was a breeze. Two words...NO declensions! I always struggled with reading it though...I was good for a while, but THAT is what truly suffered from no longer studying or using it.
Zaijian, ming tian jian!
Hi Durandal, I think your Chinese enough to read Chinese websites directly :D Here is the biggest Chinese entrance website: http://news.sohu.com/ If you use a Chinese-English translating software, it will be helpful. BTW, welcome to Beijing. :D :hug:
http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/43496975140.jpg
Type 95 Squad Machine Gun
Length: 800mm
Weight: 3.95kg
Bore Diameter: 5.8 mm
Max Effective Range: 600m
Muzzle Velocity: 970 m/s
Rate of Fire: N/A
Cartridge Drum Capacity: 75 rounds
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http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/55017890251.jpg
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Type 87 35mm automatic grenade launcher
Calibre: 35 mm
Muzzle velocity: 200 m/s
Max range: 1,750 m
Weight: (Light config, with scope) 12 kg; (Heavy config) 20 kg
Elevation: 10 to 70 degrees
Horizontal: 360 degrees
Fire rate: 500 rds/ min
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http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/66008550144.jpg
Type 89, 12.7 mm Heavy Machine Gun
Calibre: 12.7 mm
Overall Length: 1,192 mm
Barrel Length: 1,003 mm
Combat Weight: 26.5 kg
Barrel Weight: 17.5 kg
Tripod Weight: 8.5 kg
Muzzle Velocity: 825 m/s
Rate of Fire: (Maximum) 450~600 r/min
Firing Range: 1,500 m
Cartridge Capacity: 50 rounds
Rounds: Type 84 armour piercing discarding sabot; Type 89 armour piercing and incendiary; Type 89 HE armour piercing incendiary
http://bbs.china.com/images/2004-07-13/10896896601360000000015B.jpg
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http://61.132.72.44/dswc/upload/images/00502410263.jpg
Durandal
07-14-2004, 01:13 PM
Looks like a T-72 with a modified/applique turret...
Hello...taiwanese....May I call you brother? haha .....
Ni hao ....May I ask you wether you support the independence or not?
I recognize myself as a Chinese so you can call me brother. No problem.
I don't support Taiwan independence but neither do I support reunification under PRC. I am pro-status-quo. However, the "status quo" is changing by Taiwan independence movement, and that would bring us with disaster.
I don't like Chinese communist party, especially Mao. The present PRC government is much more acceptable, but their political attitude to Hong Kong democracy is totally unacceptable. I promise you. If your government keep treating Hong-Kong politics in that way, you will face more and more hostile people here including me.
I think if GCD government take taiwan peacefully, it will bring taiwan more freedom to develop. Because taiwan is different from HongKong any way.
But if taiwan is token by force, taiwaness have to take the bad damage from the war.
Yea Hkers are different. We are MAD AS HELL :fork:
We don't want independence, we just want the autonomy guarenteed in the basic laws. Yet Beijing refused to live up to the promise and produced a 1/2 million demonstration two years in a row! (HK population: 6 million) 1/12 of the population went to the streets two years in a row. Any democratic government would have collapsed after the first demonstration..
They even blackmailed the 3 political mouthpieces of hk. They ar silented now to protect their family.. More so, mainland government officials told HK-visitors to China to vote for this pro-China party in the up coming election.. The chief executive of HK, the puppet of Beijing was re-elected 'democraticlly' by 700 pro-China political elites of HK.. Dispite the fact we all want him dead.
If mainland is to win the hearts and minds of Tawain, it won't be this generation.
Sorry for this outburst.
Cheers,
:) . I have seen too much displeasure from HK people. First, I admit the policy GCD government used in HK is not that sucessful or flexible.
What I realise is GCD government want to get experience on how to rule a democratic world like HK, and use this experience on Taiwan after China is unified. Because at that moment GCD government still thinking they can take Taiwan in a peaceful way. But obviously, this try didn't make every one happy, and Taiwan is going to independant further and further. In future, GCD will make its policy more flexible.
And on the other hand, GCD also want to learn from democracy to improve the party itself. If you know the dark side of china, the reason is very obvious.
Nothing in the world is perfect. What we can do is to make it better. :D
Durandal
07-14-2004, 07:52 PM
I have seen too much displeasure from HK people.
And I think rightfully so. If anything corruption is more rampant in Chinese (and Hong Kong) governments than before 1949...I mean, its crazy. Then of course there is the whole democracy thing.
But obviously, this try didn't make every one happy, and Taiwan is going to independant further and further. In future, GCD will make its policy more flexible.
The need to fix the problems or at least try.
And on the other hand, GCD also want to learn from democracy to improve the party itself. If you know the dark side of china, the reason is very obvious.
I am not a religious man myself, but I heard a rather interesting interview on NPR in regards to Christians in China. One of the main driving motivations for mainland Chinese to become Christian is because they understand that the concepts of democracy are written within the Bible. They are quite literally becoming Christians ini hope to attain a democracy in the future.
An interesting take. Maybe the PRC needs to be a little bit more allowing when it comes to religion there.
Nothing in the world is perfect. What we can do is to make it better. :D
Too true, no government is close to perfect. Nor do I think any of us could come to a consensus to what what a perfect government is. The point remains, however, that some governments are preferred over others and the PRC does not rank to high in the "Oh yeah, I want to live under their rule" chart. ;)
Ahhh ignorance is bliss.
First, this is a military PHOTOS forum. ..
See it isn't THAT hard to understand. :D
GREAT POST! is great to see an international shared appreciation of these pics
anyway onto something more important
J-10, who is your Avatar of?? if that is you - either way I will be a chinese brother!!@! ;)
Bayonet
07-14-2004, 10:57 PM
Hello...taiwanese....May I call you brother? haha .....
Ni hao ....May I ask you wether you support the independence or not?
I recognize myself as a Chinese so you can call me brother. No problem.
I don't support Taiwan independence but neither do I support reunification under PRC. I am pro-status-quo. However, the "status quo" is changing by Taiwan independence movement, and that would bring us with disaster.
I don't like Chinese communist party, especially Mao. The present PRC government is much more acceptable, but their political attitude to Hong Kong democracy is totally unacceptable. I promise you. If your government keep treating Hong-Kong politics in that way, you will face more and more hostile people here including me.
Brother..brother...my dear brother.....
glad to see u here....Its very hard to find some taiwanese who is not crazy
Which city do you live in ?
Someone told me that people who dont supprot independence live in North Taiwan..people who support independence live in South taiwan..
true???
We also dont pleasure with the situation of democracy in mainland
but what we should do is not to pull down the current government
we should help the GCD government to promote the democracy.
The situation has been much much much better,right?
Ok....keep doing ......
I dont want to see a foolish war burn out between taiwan and mainland......I think that if mainland government doesnt have enough power to reunified China,,,we should wait and wait......
Both sides should wait .....
You dont declare the independence,
We dont use the force.....
Peace is the most important......
War will bring death
Peace can bring money....HAHAHAHA........
Do you like President Hu Jin Tao and Wen Jia Bao?
Who want to see their photos when they were young???
[quote="rodin_hsu"][quote=Bayonet]
War will bring death
Peace can bring money....
F'N'A
great pics J10, but it seems that the final pic u posted today is a pic of a model, while not a real one, but still very cool. thx
http://military.china.com//zh_cn/bbs2/11018521/20040712/images/11777893_203904.jpg
http://military.china.com//zh_cn/bbs2/11018521/20040712/images/11777893_203905.jpg
http://military.china.com//zh_cn/bbs2/11018521/20040712/images/11777893_203906.jpg
Bayonet
07-15-2004, 12:35 AM
http://military.china.com//zh_cn/bbs2/11018521/20040712/images/11777893_203904.jpg
http://military.china.com//zh_cn/bbs2/11018521/20040712/images/11777893_203905.jpg
http://military.china.com//zh_cn/bbs2/11018521/20040712/images/11777893_203906.jpg
hello...brother....WY
No background information???/
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