Mega chest rig/vest/RACK/LBE thread. Post all queries here.

[Lasse]

You don't see the point in buying gear that uses mil-spec material with proper IRR specs and all the other things that are under the mil-spec quals for fabrics?
You might end up breaking whatever gear you run, but I'd rather have a rig that I can trust until the day it retires compared to having to ask people to evac me by my arms instead of the drag handle because it might break.
You get what you pay for, the quality of workmanship, working conditions, raw materials used etc.

If you are poor, the buy used quality gear instead of new POS gear.
Buy once, cry once, and don't ****ing jeopardize your team since you light up like an 250 lumen flashlight seen with NVGs since you didn't care about IRR properties.

[kayaker]

last time I checked AS gear fell apart as soon as it saw any real use.

[Pete031]

I think the Voodoo I saw was $50, I don't know why people care if the gear is airsoft oriented, at my unit the people who drop the 350, 400 get the **** for wasting money, everyone here buys 'airsoft gear' cause A) soldiers are broke as hell the way it is, B) we're just going to ruin them.. I don't see a point in dropping 200+ dollars on a chest rig that's going to tear up
65$ total for a rig that'll last as much as a TT MAV or LBT vest/rig
I'm making my choices mission oriented,
1x for our special missions/guerrilla missions (ATS Low Profile) that's it


Pure Gold....

[Bisley_Bob]

Pure Gold....

Agreed, I smell walt

[TacoDelRio]

Crap gear falls apart much sooner, guerrilla ops or not. ;-)

[Bisley_Bob]

If it falls apart during an operation and the gorilla sees you've bought cheap kit.... well he's not going to be best pleased!

[Pete031]

I don't know what type of special/guerilla op unit you are from, but if anyone showed up with airsoft kit in my unit, you would be laughed out of it... There is a reason that people pay good money for fighting kit. Your life depends on it.

[James]

I think the Voodoo I saw was $50, I don't know why people care if the gear is airsoft oriented, at my unit the people who drop the 350, 400 get the **** for wasting money, everyone here buys 'airsoft gear' cause A) soldiers are broke as hell the way it is, B) we're just going to ruin them.. I don't see a point in dropping 200+ dollars on a chest rig that's going to tear up

Airsoft stuff is for a kids game, not for men going to a real war. If I need to say anything beyond that, never mind.

[matticus]

it's funny how 'high speed' people try to be on the internet. and to lasse with the drill sgt quote it's quite hilarious

like i said, i have buddies with tactical tailer, lbt, etc. and their stuff has fallen apart, 'being dragged and a strap broke', which is ironic since IBA's are known to fall apart and they're mil-spec
i'm not even going to get into this topic, but for all you 25b's with 100 pouches, you can keep buying your 300$ chest rigs that wont get used :)

[TacoDelRio]

What's a 25B doing with Gorillas? Going to the Congo? ;-)

[Lasse]

I'm not a drill sgt., I just sew gear and care about other soldiers.

The key to good gear is quality control and quality raw material, airsoft **** doesn't have any of those, but LBT, Eagle, TT and the other premium manufactures got that, and they will replace your gear if you break it.

Gear is like an AR15, they might look the same, but somehow the more expensive ones seem to be better of some unknown reason.

[Pete031]

Tell us more about the Guerilla Ops.

[Ipkiss]

@Lasse. Guess you never tried anything from Flyye then.

Yes they make exact replica's of other brands' stuff BUT that also includes the material used, the stitching quality and proper quality checks. I was sceptical at first because how on earth could a € 100 Flyye CIRAS be on par with a € 400 Eagle CIRAS? Reality is that it's just as good.

With a lot of stuff I get the feeling that 2/3 of the price is paying for the brand. Especially with Eagle and TAD.

I guess that for a lot of people it's important that stuff is made in the USA. I couldn't care less, being a Eurowussie. If stuff works, I'll buy it. If I can find the same thing for less, I'm up for it.
Some examples:
I own a € 200 Softshell from Tasmanian Tiger and a € 90 softshell from Condor. Their both awesome pieces of clothing, but I would hesitate to buy from condor for my MOLLE gear since the materials used are not on par.
My CIRAS is made by Flyye and the majority of the pouches on it are from Eagle. Why? Because Flyye didn't make them in DPM and the kydex on the Eagle is better. But $ 200 for an Eagle modular assault pack??
Truth is, Flyye stuff is even better built than what my MOD gives me..

Yes there's a lot of airsoft crap but there's also a lot of overpriced good stuff. The key is to make choices you can live by. I like to keep some cash to feed my kid and put some diesel in my car ;-)

Just my 2 cents

[Kap]

Flyye is very good surprisingly. I would use that stuff on deployment too, just because the price is 3/4ths less!

[Ipkiss]

I'm planning to do so as well.. But I guess that might take some time. There are other members on this forum who did, I believe.
On Flyye: a while ago I read that they're also making stuff for the PLA now, which was the main reason why orders took so long. I just wish their website was managed a bit better.

[sgtfcm]

I was in active duty long time ago and these expensive pieces of kit didn't even exist.
Softair was not popular too so no softair cheapos around.
I wouldn have not bought expensive stuff anyway though because that stuff tend to be stolen in a warp, over here. I learnt it the hard way with a good blade I used to carry. The first time I got injuried it took the flight with other pieces of gear.
I am pretty sure this happens in all the armed forces around the world.
Our standard issue gear was real crap and tend to fell apart.
Most of us used to trade with other foreign marines for gear or buy simple and effective kits.
I had a south african VIPER I traded with a Royal Marine Commando and later I bought an Arktis chest rig. They both served me well and the VIPER is enjoying his retirement here with me, still combat fit after so many years.
I have to add that if today in 2010 I had to be deployed abroad, I would choose something simple but combat tested. Wouldn't go for cheap wannabes or lookalikes of the gear I want. But it all depends for what you need it for. I've seen soldiers who will never see combat action purchase in a friend store gear for €2000, that's just a show-off :)

[Lasse]

Ipkiss, we have an Flyye CIRAS at work, that some other china company sent us when we gave them an RFI.
Off-spec pals grids (anywhere from 1" wide to 2", while they should be 1,5" wide) and sure as hell not mil-spec materials (while their MC probably is mil-spec, since Crye doesn't make non-mil-spec cordura). And what's the deal with their stuff being so stiff?
If they'd just make their own stuff, then I'd have nothing against them, but right now they are just a chicom copy factory which doesn't deserve my money, even if it's only $10.

[Lasse]

Oh, and I have nothing against some of the gear from Warrior Assault Systems (Uktactical.com), they at least have the balls to admit that they haven't used proper mil-spec materials up until now when they released their "Elite Ops" collection. While they do have some copies from EI etc., they have at least improved over the years with new designs and improvements.
Cheap china made gear, which is ok.

[Ipkiss]

I agree that it's good that companies like WAS are taking the next step and designing stuff on their own. Flyye could learn from that and for a lot of the stuff they produce they don't even know how it's supposed to be handled. Funny thing is I've had some lesser experiences with WAS (PALS on a backpack not properly sewn, flap letting loose) and Maxpedition and tactical tailor (PALS off-grid) and none of these issues with flyye. But I also read that this happened with flyye stuff in the past, when they also used inferior materials. Guess they have improved on that then..
Yes the cordura they use is pretty stiff at first, but I guess it just needs some time to break-in. But for some items like mag pouches and backpacks, I prefer it that way. I just wish they'd make their stuff in DPM, but what company does nowadays..
Noorloos in the Netherlands had a bunch of stuff from Eagle made for them in DPM. Pricey as hell and limited in stock, but a CIRAS in DPM is to be very rare!

[gaijinsamurai]

Flyye is very good surprisingly. I would use that stuff on deployment too, just because the price is 3/4ths less!

I checked out their website, http://flyyeindustries.com/index.asp ,but find it annoying that they don't show the prices.

[Ipkiss]

Yup that sucks. You have to email to flyye2008@hotmail.com to get a quote, or find a retailer that sells their stuff. I'm not promoting anyone but I know royal tiger gear sells flyye stuff. Never bought from them though.

[Odassea]

they are just a chicom copy factory which doesn't deserve my money, even if it's only $10.

Its not even humorous. Even Flyye's webpage is a rip from Eagle. the logo, product images everything. Even if they're products where amazing and high quality I still couldn't buy them. Regardless what country you're from you should support companies that actually spend the capital to develop and design this stuff. What Flyye does is nothing shy of thievery.

While some people here call it over priced "name brand" gear, its all I buy. Why? Because when things go south I know I can trust my gear. I know the plates in my CIRAS are secure and won't shift, the drag handle won't rip off, molle won't tear, mags won't fall out etc etc.

When the bullets start flying it doesn't mater if you're sof or a cook, you're getting shot at, and personally I like to have as much stacked in my favor as possible. If spending $400 on a vest can increases my chances of seeing my wife again its money well spent in my mind.

There is a difference between airsoft gear and the real deal.

[Ipkiss]

I agree that it's totally wrong that Flyye uses a logo that is a 90% copy of Eagle's logo. For the other part I totally have to disagree with Osedda. Unless you have a patent, there's not much you can do.

For instance, let's take a simple item like a M4 pouch. How many US companies sell m4 pouches that are virtually the same? A lot, and there's nothing wrong with that. The consumer decides which one to take based on price, recommendations and previous experiences with said company. If it's crap, word gets around quickly these days and sales are going down.

There are a lot of US companies that sell good stuff and I own quite some US-branded stuff. But let's face it; we are attracted to big brands and there's a fashion sense going on nowadays within units. But buying something from a known brand doesn't automaticly make it better. Like I said even branded stuff sometimes might fail.

Another example I mentioned earlier: a Eagle modular assault pack that fits on a CIRAS: there might be around $10 dollar worth of cordura in this product. Then it has to be sewn together using good materials, good zippers and a skilled worker. Maybe that's another $20 if it's sewn in the US and $ 10 if it's being put together in China. Then you have to make profit from it, so the value if it's made in the US will be around $60 and $ 40 if it's made in Chine. But by putting a Eagle Industries logo on it they now ask a little over $ 200 for it. I'm sorry but that's just insane. Now I know some folks in the US are willing to pay a bit more for a product when they know it's made in the US and that's fine. But a lot of companies are transferring their production to China, Mexico, India or wherever to lower production costs.. But do you see a drop in retail prices for, let's say a TAD softshell/hardshell?
Like I said earlier, I own a lot of US made stuff from brands like Blackhawk, Kelty, Tactial tailor, Safariland etc and I love it. But for every item I intend to buy I want to make fore It's worth my money. I was sceptical for stuff from Flyye in the beginning as well. so I ordered a small item to see how it's put together. After that I ordered a CIRAS from them to see if it would fit my needs. I know now that it's the same as Eagles CIRAS on almost every aspect and I'm more than confident will hold up during a future deployment. (it's better in any way than my MOD vest).

I paid €200 for my Kelty backpack and it's the sh!t. Would I buy it from Flyye if they could make it for half the price? Probably so, and it would force Kelty to re-evaluate their prices and production line. And that's how the market works.

[Lasse]

The CIRAS is a patented product... Only reason they keep going is because US based companies have a hard time suing companies in China... Most of Eagles unique designs are patented as well. What's bad about a patent is that chicoms get full access to them (patents are public, so you basically give them the blueprints).

Here is a material calculator I made for my business:
http://noratactical.com/files/chestrigex.xlsx
(for this (http://noratactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/lowprofile01.jpg) rig)
As you see, the materials only make up a really, really small portion of the actual cost. It's the hours spent on the design, cutting fabrics and sewing it that really get expensive. And this is where China (and many other countries) beat the US, because their wages are really low, like unethical low in many cases. Add an additional QC to that mix, where someone goes over all the stitches, items get thrown away etc. you end up with an even higher price.
(that rig didn't cost my customer $275, hours are random, because I didn't track them, don't be scared ;))

A good article from Kit Up!:

A Lifetime Guarantee Doesn’t Mean Much When Your Gear Fails in the Field
http://kitup.military.com/2010/12/a-lifetime-guarantee-doesnt-mean-much-when-your-gear-fails-in-the-field.html#ixzz19Vyg4flT

[Catch22]

It seemed to me that the purchasers of the "piracy" brands like Flyye always seemed to turn blind eye on what is in fact a common theft. The more funny thing is - I doubt they'd would like to spray themselves with fake Hugo Boss fragrance or wear a fake Tommy Hillfiger clothing... while they do the same with gear.

[Odassea]

Unless you have a patent, there's not much you can do.



They ARE patented, yet the still reproduce these items. Some companies, like Crye who has become one of the largest fabric and uniform contractors of the US armed services, have the finical capital to fight back. But most companies don't have that ability. I'm sure LBT and Eagle bring in good money, but I doubt they have the millions of dollars and political capital to pierce the Chinese's governments protective shield and pay for the legal fees.

http://www.flyyeindustries.com/ArticleShow.asp?ProdID=0328

Flyye makes a knock off of their Chassis. If you look at that product (link above) there is now a disclaimer urging resales and explaining to customers that selling that chassis is illegal. And even if there isn't a patient it is still unethical to ride the coat tails of someone else's labor and ingenuity.

American products don't just cost more because they are made in the US or we're greedy or something. Its because R&D costs a bloody fortune, and the companies need to recoup that cost so its added onto the retail price. Since companies like Flyye never had to design the product in the first place they don't have to add that cost. From my personal experiences with plastic molds I can tell you the prototype molds for the rubberized stock rest on the cyre chassis could have easily cost tens of thousands of dollars. Also these are VERY specialized products, meaning the limited long term demand needs to be added onto the price as well. In the end the china knock off companies are probably making almost the same amount of profit on each item since they're overhead is almost non-existent and a large amount of their customers are 15yo's with daddy's credit card.

@Lasse great article. The irony is at first I thought it was written by the owner of Blackhawk. If you've ever read the cover page of the old blackhawk catalogues the owner tells a story about being on patrol in ODS w/ his seal unit when his pack failed in a mine field. I guess he forgot that lesson in a hurry.

[Ipkiss]

Cheers for the comments. I think you (Odessea & Lasse) brought up some valid points there. Funny thing is that Flyye does sell official multicam produts.
I agree with the points of good gear designing is expensive. I still feel however that a lot of products are priced that high just because of the brand.
I also think that a lot of US companies make products that strongly look like those of their fellow companies. I already pointed this out with a simple item like a M4 pouch, but this goes to vests as well.
A few years back; you had the CIRAS and the Paraclete RAV. Now the RAV has changed appearance meanwhile and resembles the CIRAS more and more. So what part is patented, just the release system?
If you take the Warrior RICAS (what's in a name..) they have actually improved the design of the CIRAS over the years and that's something that needs praise.
I guess if Flyye would change their logo and put in some own design we all would be happy.
Please comment.

[Ipkiss]

So if we look at the vests available today, and I mean vests that carry both soft armour & tiles, what parts of the vests we like and what not? All in all; if you were to design a new vest, what features would it have?

To start off: I like how the new Warrior vests close; not overlapping like the CIRAS land, but the flaps next to eachother.
I'm not sure about the zippers on the back of the RAV, might be useful to some.
I would like to see some built-in pockets for admin stuff in the top front part of the vest.
I like how a semi-rigid cumberbund distributes the weight. Having some small pockets on it (on the inside) might be useful for side tiles (we don't have 'em) or extra mags.
a single-wire release is a must, I don't really care where the release pad is. As long as I can reach for it.

[Lasse]

Ipkiss, I could agree on that... But own designs often require some knowhow about the use of the product, which is a lot harder to gain than to hire tons of asian ladies and buy them sewing machines ;)
Also, MC is Cryes property, but it's sold by Duro Textiles, so even if you copy Cryes products, "they" still sell you MC fabric.

Personally, I'm not fan of full blown body armor vests, they are heavy and limit mobility. I'm a bigger fan of plate carriers, even though they offer less protection in terms of soft armor coverage (which is basically just behind the plates).

[Ipkiss]

Well our Dutch issued vests contain both the soft armour and the tiles in a cotton-ish shell. A lot of guys wear it beneath their smocks and put a chestrig on top so they can ditch their chestrig but still have protection. Good thing is that the armour package also fits my CIRAS. For the job I did in A-stan, I found it more practical to have one package with all my pouches on. We're not allowed to remove armor and in my function I didn't plan to do so either. I have considered using a seperate soft armour carrier and a plate carrier but I need the space (In terms of molle)..

[Odassea]

a paraclete RAV-CV uses the same BALCS soft armor as the RAV and has a plate holder. just toss one of those suckers on and grab a LBT chest rig. saves weight, frees up your sides and gives you same same protection, minus a front yoke option. that is.

so you use to wear a chest rig over your CIRAS? i see a lot of guys wearing harnesses over their IBA's. never really made sense to me cause if you ditch the harness you still have a 35lbs vest and no ammo.

[trunk_munkey28]

so you use to wear a chest rig over your CIRAS? i see a lot of guys wearing harnesses over their IBA's. never really made sense to me cause if you ditch the harness you still have a 35lbs vest and no ammo.
Granted, the Canadian armour carrier doesn't have MOLLE, but in the case of guys who are vehilce mounted, and may be employed as vehicle gunners, drivers,etc, one day and do a dismounted patrol the next, its nice to be able to go slick and still have armour protection without having the rest of the weight of your fighting load. Also,its nice to be able to throw on your armour and not have to hump 9 mags, 2 frags, etc across the FOB to use the internet.

[Ipkiss]

so you use to wear a chest rig over your CIRAS? i see a lot of guys wearing harnesses over their IBA's. never really made sense to me cause if you ditch the harness you still have a 35lbs vest and no ammo.

No I had all my stuff on my vest (not a CIRAS at that time but MOD issue)
Like trunk monkey said for a lot of guys it was more practical to have a seperate chestrig for vehicle ops. They would hang the chestrigs over the hatches, and when they needed to disembark it's quick to put on. These guys also mostly had their vests under their smocks so they could benefit from all the pouches of the smock.
All in all that means a lot of layers; t-shirt-armor-smock-chestrig. UBAC shirts were only introduced in the Dutch forces in 2008 I believe. Missed out on that one..

[kayaker]

thats the one thing I dont like about chest rigs... how fidgety it is to get them on or off compared to the traditional 95 webbing. I was looking to add buckles to the shoulder straps but with osprey and other modular body armour now in theatre that went out the window...

[cavtroop4]

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask but I have managed to acquire IOTV soft armor plus plates is there any other carrier covers other than the original ACU IOTV cover out there? Does anyone know if any BALCS or CIRAS size covers fit?

[Ipkiss]

Pics would help in my case. I'm not familiar with IOTV armor

[cavtroop4]

The main difference is that the soft armor is two pieces rather than three as the previous OTV was jacket type. If you want measurements I can reply that later.

[dacanadianbomb]

thats the one thing I dont like about chest rigs... how fidgety it is to get them on or off compared to the traditional 95 webbing. I was looking to add buckles to the shoulder straps but with osprey and other modular body armour now in theatre that went out the window...

Thats why 2 piece rigs were made.
Sort of Like the two piece Tactical Tailor MAV.

But yes, getting a chest rig that is properly seated and settled off in a hurry with radio and rifle sling attached makes for some funny twister moves.
Or if your rig has fastex buckles to actually hold up the rig itself, then you can use those, but still have to untangle the shoulder straps then from under the rifle sling etc.

[Lasse]

That's why smart people use H-harnesses. I only use the left 45 buckle and left waist strap buckle on my rig for donning or doffing, and if I need it in a hurry, I don't have to use the buckles, I'll just throw it over my head.
But I'm skinny and flexible, and not at a fat fobbit.

[James]

Thats why 2 piece rigs were made.
Sort of Like the two piece Tactical Tailor MAV.

But yes, getting a chest rig that is properly seated and settled off in a hurry with radio and rifle sling attached makes for some funny twister moves.
Or if your rig has fastex buckles to actually hold up the rig itself, then you can use those, but still have to untangle the shoulder straps then from under the rifle sling etc.

For about 4 years now my Afghan rig has been:

Slick Body Armor
TT MAV
Rifle with sling

all separate

for a year plus I've also used a belt rig with a couple of rifle mags, dump pouch, etc.

Sometimes I do stuff where it's nice to have some extra gear, but not everything.

[dacanadianbomb]

Out of interest , ere you wearing a one piece or two? with or without X harness?

[kayaker]

Thats why 2 piece rigs were made.
Sort of Like the two piece Tactical Tailor MAV.

But yes, getting a chest rig that is properly seated and settled off in a hurry with radio and rifle sling attached makes for some funny twister moves.
Or if your rig has fastex buckles to actually hold up the rig itself, then you can use those, but still have to untangle the shoulder straps then from under the rifle sling etc.

Indeed, add to that a day sack and helmet and it gets really annoying.

[Lasse]

Keep your gear set up clean, with no loose crap (like hoses or wires), learn how to put it on, and in what order. For me it would be in this order; Belt, chestrig, weapon, helmet and backpack. Why?:
Belt and rig first, they are the closest to my body, then "crawl" into the sling, because it's a pain to do with the helmet on, and it goes under my backpack. Helmet before the backpack because the backpack is heavier than my helmet, it's easier to bend down with a helmet than a backpack. I place the sternum strap "under" the sling so that I have the maximum possible movement for my weapon.

I don't have all my gear here, but when I do, I'll do a timed run and post results..

[removemebeforeflight]

Hello.
I found this rig in my cellar. Cordura in British DPM and black 25mm webbing, made by an British Company, well used.
Just company tag, no issue stamps or name tags, ...

Absolutely strange, all pouches are lined with clear plastic-foil.
148224
148225
148226
148227
148228

Anybody saw such a rig before ?
Can anyone tell me a bit about the rigs age ?

Best regards.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Looks very much like a copy of the old Arktis 42 pattern chest rig. Google it and see.

Don't know specifics about this one though.

[James]

Out of interest , ere you wearing a one piece or two? with or without X harness?

One piece, with X harness. I don't have any trouble getting in our out of it - takes all of five seconds.

[flanker7]

Anyone has info on a brand named 75Tactical? German I think

[Aibeethoven]

Anyone has info on a brand named 75Tactical? German I think

Did you already check out their website? (stupid question, it's in German only...)
I have some small cellphone pouches I use for my flashlights. I also have a foldable dumppouch and a molle legrig.
I think it's good / resonable quality, but I've heard others say it's a cheap rip-off of 5.11....

Anyway I like the items I own from them. The only store I know who sells 75Tactical is Viking Military Gear in Assen.
I hope this helps (a bit).

[flanker7]

Thanks. I saw some vests today and they seemed a bit fragile

[Greek soldier]

Take a look here

75Tactical @ Riehl-Military.de (http://www.riehl-military.com/shop/catalog/index.php?osCsid=51e19ffd91b51aed06d0a8838e1b0fd6&manufacturers_id=248&osCsid=51e19ffd91b51aed06d0a8838e1b0fd6)

[matticus]

Its not even humorous. Even Flyye's webpage is a rip from Eagle. the logo, product images everything. Even if they're products where amazing and high quality I still couldn't buy them. Regardless what country you're from you should support companies that actually spend the capital to develop and design this stuff. What Flyye does is nothing shy of thievery.

While some people here call it over priced "name brand" gear, its all I buy. Why? Because when things go south I know I can trust my gear. I know the plates in my CIRAS are secure and won't shift, the drag handle won't rip off, molle won't tear, mags won't fall out etc etc.

When the bullets start flying it doesn't mater if you're sof or a cook, you're getting shot at, and personally I like to have as much stacked in my favor as possible. If spending $400 on a vest can increases my chances of seeing my wife again its money well spent in my mind.

There is a difference between airsoft gear and the real deal.

Bahahah this is almost as lame as 1sg's saying if you don't get a 300 on your APFT you're going to Die in Combat
$400 chest rigs get worn down out of 1 deployment just as bad as the $50 GI Molle Vests.

How do I know? Cause every unit whether SO/SF/MARSOC/SEAL's to Regular Divisions to Foreign forces come to us to train, and we teach them every known trick to man to survive in combat. And it doesn't matter if you have the best rig in the world, a bullet, rocket, i.e.d, etc. doesn't have a name and doesn't discriminate.

Half the guys spitting information are spitting non sense in here.

I've seen the best gear get torn up on deployments, all your holy grail MAV2 TT rig's get ruined in just 2 months of fire fights. Not every GI is made of gold and can spend 1000$ on gear. Get what YOU need, not what people on the internet who you might not even known to be infantrymen, or soldiers tell you to buy.

If you want to go buy your chest rig with 300 pouches and huge machete's hanging upside down by your neck and 30 radio pouches, 200 frag pouches, etc. Be my guest, look to the guys in your unit for support, and I bet they wont tell you to be buying tons of stupid high priced gear and pouches.

In fact, best bet, is talk to any NCO in your unit (not the LT's cause theyre the ones buying all the fancy gear for no reason), and ask them what to do.

[kayaker]

What's that smell http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/RyanWoods/icon_scratch.gif

[validtumoralarm]

Time for a picture!

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u119/validtumoralarm/P1020183.jpg

Eagle 6mag LE chest rig
-2x ATS vertical GP
-HSGI small radio pouch
-TAG shingle
-HSGI double pistol
-Maxped? Gadget pouch (I found this in a practice room at my music school)

I have since moved the Grimloks to the tabs on the mag pouches, as this actually makes sense, as opposed to having them tossed all over the rig.

Oh, and my Blackhawk SERPA for 5-7

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Is that an airsoft 'loadout'?

[validtumoralarm]

Is that an airsoft 'loadout'?

Negative. I just use it for casual shooting and I'll admit I do a little bit of collecting. As far as shooting at the range goes, it's just nice to have everything within reach, wouldn't you agree?

I'm curious, what did I do to make you jump to that conclusion?

[TheSteve]

Whats a few good manufacturers of chest rigs and pouches?

We just got issued the new IOTV and I'm heading to Iraq soon, so I'll be needing a few things to add to the standard issue stuff.

[Lasse]

TT, Mayflower, LBT, Eagle etc.

[BlackhawkCY]

has anyone heard of a company called Warrior Assault Systems. they seem to be a uk based company.

[Bisley_Bob]

has anyone heard of a company called Warrior Assault Systems. they seem to be a uk based company.

Yea, I know a few guys who have their kit. They aren't quite up there with the best like Blackhawk but they are pretty solid and certainly aren't a waste of time like web-tex or something!

[BlackhawkCY]

Thanks for the info, so they are more of a value for money kinda thing?

[Bisley_Bob]

They do offer value for money, not the absolute best, but significantly cheaper than the absolute best. Good enough for a professional soldier. It's not going to all fall apart on you after a few weeks in the field.
Just realised I've actually got 2 of their pouches on my Motherlode, showing no signs of wearing out.

[Lasse]

Yea, I know a few guys who have their kit. They aren't quite up there with the best like Blackhawk but they are pretty solid and certainly aren't a waste of time like web-tex or something!Blackhawk haven't been the best in at least 10 years... WAS is ok, you get what you pay for...

[Greek soldier]

has anyone heard of a company called Warrior Assault Systems. they seem to be a uk based company.

Ask flanker7 who has this

http://www.uktactical.com/acatalog/Warrior_Centurion_Rigs_CHEST_RIG.html

[BlackhawkCY]

right I saw that last time, did not realize it was from W.A.S. seemed built well though

[thesystem]

Yeah, i got that rig.

You can use it in 2 ways...
With the back panel or just as a chest rig.
I like that i can carry 8 mag's without adding pouches, they also can be used for 7.62 magazines.
by adding pouches you can carry allot of ammunition...allot.
Its a sturdy rig and a use it also for speed marching and so on.
the only drawback is (imo) when adding pouches, they will stick out at the bottom of the rig...because there are only 3 molle loops (vertically) and not four....i would like to have it a bit larger, nicer for the pouches, i hate it when they stick out. Now i fixed that by first looping it through the first one of the pouch and then through the vest...

The back panel is a nice addition, especialy for a water bladder. The downside is, you need to be a bit beefier will it fit snug

[Peabird]

http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u322/FattyImages/LBT2584A-Rig-front.jpg

[kayaker]

Interestin but anything revolutionary?

I'm surprised no one has marketed an ELITE SPECIAL FORCES BURNING FLAME BLACK STENCIL LETTERED PACKAGING tourniquet quick release pouch instead of using elastic bands..... hang on a minute... ;)

[Lasse]

Airsoft in the airsoft section... Even though it's an nice looking LBT rig.

[Sabre]

Yea, I know a few guys who have their kit. They aren't quite up there with the best like Blackhawk but they are pretty solid and certainly aren't a waste of time like web-tex or something!

Both Blackhawk! and W.A.S. are made in Vietnam from similar materials, probably in the same factory.

In my opinion, WAS ammo pouches are better designed and more robust. Each to their own.

As for good manufacturers, I use Eagle Industries and Tactical Assault Gear pouches and haven't got a bad word to say for them...bombproof.

[dacanadianbomb]

I must say, it has been a really long time since I saw anything that was truely amazingly innovative in a tacgear way.
There are always a few nifty little things where you say " thats a nifty little modification they made there " or " hmm thats kind like that but just a little different in that.." , but I have not seen something that really surprised me out of my socks.
WAS chest rig is a copy of a BHI enhanced chest rig , this plate carrier is like that plate carrier and so on and so forth.


[EDIT]
I just saw this little gem by "matticus" two pages back
"How do I know? Cause every unit whether SO/SF/MARSOC/SEAL's to Regular Divisions to Foreign forces come to us to train, and we teach them every known trick to man to survive in combat."
Sorry, your profile doesnt say much, who are you again ? and who is "We" who is training who ?

[sepia]

A short list of weapons that can share the Stanag mag system:

Armalite AR-18/Howa Type 89
Beretta AR70/90
Beretta ARX-160
Beretta Rx4 Storm
Bernardelli VB-SR
Bofors Carl Gustaf Ak 5
Bushmaster M17S
CETME Model L
CIS SAR-80
CIS SR-88
Colt M16/Diemaco C7
Colt M4/Diemaco C8
Daewoo K2/Daewoo K1
Daewoo K3
FAD assault rifle
FAMAS G2
FN F2000
FN FNC
FN Minimi/M249 SAW
FN SCAR
Heckler & Koch HK416
Heckler & Koch G41
Kel-Tec SU-16
IMBEL MD2
IMI Tavor TAR-21
Kel-Tec SU-16
Kel-Tec PLR-16
Khaybar KH2002
LAPA FA-03
Magpul Masada
Magpul PDR
Norinco CQ
Pindad SS2
Norinco QBZ-97
Remington Model 7615P "Police Patrol Rifle"
Robinson Armaments M-96 "Expeditionary Rifle"
Robinson Armaments XCR
SA80
SAR-21 (export models)[5]
SIG 556
Steyr AUG A3 (through conversion)
T2 MK5 rifle
Type 65
Type 86
Type 91
Ultimax 100
XM29 OICW

So it is not safe to assume that he carries an M16 varient. If he does, however, and it has a telescoping stock the "KAF-sack" can interfere with the charging handle and the forward assist of that rifle.
IMI Galil (special models or use adapter)
IMI Negev (special models or use adapter)

[DasBoost]

I have combed this thread and got a lot of great info from it. My rig currently consists of Arktis M173/1624 NL, with Camelbak Sixbak attached to the back via MOLLE Lashing Straps. Also along the back is my USGI MSS Bivy and first layer light bag. In the pockets, I have supplies that will last me up to 2 days before I need to replenish or resupply. This was designed as a smaller, more mobile rig to supplement my GHB/BOB. Have taken it out on a few short trips so far, no quality issues, rides very comfortably. I know MOLLE gear was an option, but for the price and quality, I feel I got a good deal and the size is perfect though there is little room to expand.
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq23/VeeDubberGLI/84e9b348.jpg
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq23/VeeDubberGLI/5fbcdbb9.jpg
Mine: http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq23/VeeDubberGLI/IMG00077-20110307-1601.jpg
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq23/VeeDubberGLI/IMG00076-20110307-1601.jpg
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq23/VeeDubberGLI/IMG00075-20110307-1600.jpg

[Bisley_Bob]

Surely items like sleeping systems would be better off in a daysack. Would you really want to carry it around all the time, including inside vehicles etc..?

[flanker7]

I agree. I have the Arktis Advanced Chest Rig(very similiar). I used it for some years and I like it, mainly because you can carry a lot and it allows you to carry a bergen or a smaller pack without problems

[kayaker]

Surely items like sleeping systems would be better off in a daysack. Would you really want to carry it around all the time, including inside vehicles etc..?

I carry it in my bergan. Daysack is valuable space reserved for link, NVG's, batts, camelback, softie and waterproofs.

[kayaker]

Interestin but anything revolutionary?

I'm surprised no one has marketed an ELITE SPECIAL FORCES BURNING FLAME BLACK STENCIL LETTERED PACKAGING tourniquet quick release pouch instead of using elastic bands..... hang on a minute... ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNLedZf4uHY

Bollcoks... this time next year I could have been a millionaire ..

[Bisley_Bob]

I carry it in my bergan. Daysack is valuable space reserved for link, NVG's, batts, camelback, softie and waterproofs.

So do I usually, but he clearly wants it in his fighting order. If you're doing long patrols over multiple days, or setting up OPs or even really long ambushes where you go into routine then you might want a lightweight dossbag in your daysack with you.

[DasBoost]

Surely items like sleeping systems would be better off in a daysack. Would you really want to carry it around all the time, including inside vehicles etc..?

I should have mentioned this is used when I go backpacking/camping and to supplement my GHB. My apologies. Yes, usually the camelbak and bivy/first layer bag are in the bag, but I was trying different configurations.


I agree. I have the Arktis Advanced Chest Rig(very similiar). I used it for some years and I like it, mainly because you can carry a lot and it allows you to carry a bergen or a smaller pack without problems

The size of this was very deceptive! I fit way more into it than I had thought possible.


I carry it in my bergan. Daysack is valuable space reserved for link, NVG's, batts, camelback, softie and waterproofs. Bivy will probably be moved, I saw an Arktis stock photo set up like that and was trying it out to see how well it worked.

Bisley_Bob: No ambushes for me :D Unless it's a hunting trip ;) I got screwed out of my chance to serve when my pancreas crapped out over a decade ago.

*Disclaimer* This is not an airsoft loadout. It's to supplement my GHB/BOB and for camping/backpacking/hunting trips. If anyone has any objections to this being in this thread, let me know and I will take it down. I don't want to cause problems, but was curious to see what the board though of this rig setup. Thanks.

[entheogen]

Has anyone used ESSTAC gear ? Mainly the Boar.
http://milspecmonkey.com/weargear/vests/187-esstac-boar-chest-rig-kit
Got it on order been waiting for about a month now.
Looks like a really low-profile rig, will be easier to get in/out the turret with a full load. Supposedly the stiching is really good, and made in the states.
I got Blackhawk vest-type rig, and with full load (m4/ebr, not even gonna bring up the saw, lol)+mag dump+ifac+other bs I can barely get in the damn turret, let alone turn around in it, lol

Anyway, I'll write something up once it gets here and I have a chance to use it.

[Lasse]

Esstac is good ****.

[Jameten]

@ Lasse, when are you going to post some of your creations?

[Lasse]

I don't really feel like filling the modifications thread with all the stuff I do, and nobody else contributing with their work or just ghetto mods...
Also, I'm currently set up as a company and do this "fulltime" (I'm dead poor, but still), so I'd consider it more as advertising rather than contributing to what I had hoped would become a real cool thread filled with tons of ghetto mods...

[entheogen]

What kinda gear you make ? website ?

[Lasse]

I make nylon stuff.. My company is named Nora Tactical.

Mods: If you feel like this is in violation of rule 14, then feel free to remove it. I have no intention of using MP.Net as a "free advertising" forum...

[ESOGSteel]

I am looking for recommendations for a Mollie single M4 mag pouch/retainer. Application will be on a battle belt for when I'm at the range so I don't have to walk back to the table or watch my gear. Also will be doing some shoot-move-communicate drills sometime down the road, for the fun of it. I was looking at something like the ITW Fastmag system, but they are expensive not really sold on the idea of spending more the pouch then I did the mag. I would ideally like only 1/4 to 1/2 of the mag in the pouch.

[kayaker]

http://www.deathvalleymag.com/2011/03/02/tactical-gear-–-field-tested-zulu-nylon-gear-m4-double-magazine-pouch-–-an-innovative-m-4-mag-pouch-in-a-sea-of-mundane/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+deathvalleymag%2FHrFY+(DEATH+VALLEY+MAGAZINE)

[Lasse]

I'd look into some kydex options, they might be a bit cheaper than what fastmags are..
Or the classic Eagle FB pouches, they have them at SKD...

[ESOGSteel]

Thank you for the input. All those options are still more then I'd like to spend, I'm a cheapskate. I was surprised that the Fastmags area actually cheaper then most kydex products. I'll keep looking...

[Lasse]

Try a surplus shop or look for something used online, you might be able to get a good deal.
Forgot one option, the HSGI TACO, they also fit a bunch of different mags and calibers (USGI, Pmag, AK, M14 etc.), so if you have several weapon platforms it's an great option.

[red6bravo6]

Red6Bravo6 here with yet another ID question (sorry if this bothers anyone, please don't hang me)

I've been looking everywhere for the exact make and model of the rig the dude on the left is wearing:

151938
And the dude on the right in this one (same guy):
151939

Also, I would really much appreciate it if someone could help me ID the make and model (exact, please) of these vests. They look like PROLITE armor carriers, but I'm not entirely sure.
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I know that this is more of an LE type thing, and I duly apologize if I'm in the wrong thread. I will remove if directed. Any help is much appreciated for this enthusiast right here. Thanks much.

[MikeSierra151]

Your links do not work.

[red6bravo6]

Apologies. For some reason, the links only work on my computer. I will link directly to the sites.

dude on the right (again, looking for exact make/model)
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/flashpoint/photos/photos.php?v=7212&offset=0&s=2&p=1 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=151938)
And the dude on the right in this one (same guy):
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/flashpoint/photos/photos.php?v=7212&offset=4&s=7&p=1

Also, I would really much appreciate it if someone could help me ID the make and model (exact, please) of these vests. They look like PROLITE armor carriers, but I'm not entirely sure.
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/numb3rs/photos/photos.php?v=38624
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/numb3rs/photos/photos.php?v=25166&offset=4&s=4&p=1
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/numb3rs/photos/photos.php?v=25166&offset=0&s=1&p=1
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/numb3rs/photos/photos.php?v=24793&offset=4&s=4&p=1
There are more on the site (for mediocre TV shows, please no debates/comments about the quality of the series)
I know that this is more of an LE type thing, and I duly apologize if I'm in the wrong thread. I will remove if directed. Any help is much appreciated for this enthusiast right here. Thanks much.

[HR24]

Apologies. For some reason, the links only work on my computer. I will link directly to the sites.

dude on the right (again, looking for exact make/model)
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/flashpoint/photos/photos.php?v=7212&offset=0&s=2&p=1 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=151938)
And the dude on the right in this one (same guy):
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/flashpoint/photos/photos.php?v=7212&offset=4&s=7&p=1

Also, I would really much appreciate it if someone could help me ID the make and model (exact, please) of these vests. They look like PROLITE armor carriers, but I'm not entirely sure.
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/numb3rs/photos/photos.php?v=38624
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/numb3rs/photos/photos.php?v=25166&offset=4&s=4&p=1
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/numb3rs/photos/photos.php?v=25166&offset=0&s=1&p=1
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/numb3rs/photos/photos.php?v=24793&offset=4&s=4&p=1
There are more on the site (for mediocre TV shows, please no debates/comments about the quality of the series)
I know that this is more of an LE type thing, and I duly apologize if I'm in the wrong thread. I will remove if directed. Any help is much appreciated for this enthusiast right here. Thanks much.

Looks like an old US Armor carrier system.

http://usarmor.com/ourproducts.htm

[Lasse]

ESOG, I forgot about the Esstac KYWI, basically a kydex insert for a normal pouch. $6 a pop.
http://www.skdtac.com/Esstac_556_KYWI_Kydex_Wedge_Insert_p/ess.213.htm

[removemebeforeflight]

Hi.
I know the thread is a bit old.

@thecoops
You´re sure with the 6 mag pouches ?

153074153075

@jsb

The marines also used a rig I will put pictures later.

Can you post the pictures of the marines rig ?

Thanks.

[thecoops]

That is a pic of a marines rig they made by Arktis who are based in Dorset I think.

[Dan2004]

Anybody here have any experience with the BCM 03 MSF chest harness? It looks like a pretty decent grab-n-go rig.

[gaijinsamurai]

Looks like a great "strictly tactical" harness, if you are going to a firearms class or about to engage in a shoot-out. I prefer Tactical Tailor's MAV.

[MikeSierra151]

I was thinking it looked alot like a TT split MAV.

[Dan2004]

Looks like a great "strictly tactical" harness, if you are going to a firearms class or about to engage in a shoot-out. I prefer Tactical Tailor's MAV.

That's what I was thinking. Mount a drop pouch on one side, a BOK on the other, and BOOM! You've got a nice "Minuteman" rig.

[Royal]

there are two types the 42 (with 6 ammo pouches) and 49 (with 4 ammo pouches and 2 utillty pouches) the numbers are after 42 and 49 R.M commando. you can pick them up from Arktis new or if you drop this place a line (ukkitmonster) he mite be able to help you out.

The 42 (named after 42 Commando) had 3 ammo pouches and 2 utility pouches.
The 45 (named after 45 Commando) had 5 ammo pouches.

There is not and never has been a 49 Commando.

[thecoops]

Your right there is no 49 comando my bad

[TallGuy]

Here's mine:

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/5640/chestwebbingiv3.jpg

[occamsrazor]

Hi, new forum member here. I have a bunch of questions about RBAV, CIRAS, LVAC, and MTV armor vests, both recomendations and sizing questions. I have searched the forum a lot already.
Is this thread the best place to post such questions, or would I be better off creating a new thread?
Thanks...

[Lasse]

Post them here. In general, body armor is sized to the soft armor that is supposed to go inside..

[occamsrazor]

Thanks Lasse. OK here goes....

I currently own a pretty basic covert/concealed cut vest with fairly thin ceramic level IV plates, and a size Large PPI MTV vest (http://www.body-armor.com/mtv.php) with size Large ESAPI plates. The covert vest is very comfortable but obviously offers limited protection. The MTV offers great protection, but I often find too bulky, even without the side plates.

Therefore I am looking for something inbetween the two in terms of protection. Some factors to be taken into consideration:

I am 6'4" and pretty thin. The size L MTV is a little too wide for me at the chest I would say. Length is OK when standing, but I often wear a utility belt and so when sat in a vehicle the top of the vest pushes up a little against my throat. I did once try on the size M MTV, which was better at the chest, but I remember feeling it was a little short. I am in and out of vehicles a lot, so that is a factor. Also the ability to easily put the vest on and off is fairly important - I find the MTV bad in this respect, both because of the closure mechanism, and because the hole at the top seems quite narrow for my (apparently) large head. I do need the soft armor, so pure plate-carriers are out for me.

1. Ideally I was hoping to use the MTV soft armor and plates in a more low-profile carrier, thinking maybe this might solve both the bulk and sizing problems. Advantage obviously would be minimal extra cost. However the MTV soft armor seems to be a fairly unique cut that isn't comptible with BALCS carriers. BCS (http://beezcombatsystems.com/) tell me they can make a custom carrier based on the MTV-cut, but am not sure if I want to go down the custom route. I believe the Spartan II (http://www.optactical.com/taapgrsp2iba.html) does, but it looks pretty much the same as the MTV to me. Does anyone know of any other carriers that will fit MTV-cut armor? I know BALCS carriers will not work, but what about a RAV-cut carrier - any ideas?

2. If I forget about keeping the MTV-cut soft armor and go down the BALCS route, keeping only the ESAPI plates, any thoughts on the following CIRAS-type vests:

Eclipse RBAV
Eagle LVAC

I do not particularly need the MOLLE rigging, I don't need to keep lots of pouches on the vest, but it's not a problem either. For this reason I am quite tempted by either the RBAV-HS or LVAC.

3. In terms of sizing... being fairly tall and thin, do you think BALCS-cut vests generally would be a good solution? My only concern is what appears to be decreased coverage at the sides of the vest under the arms, and neck/shoulders, but I guess mobility has its price, right?

Any other ideas are most welcome....If any of this ought to have been posted elsewhere in the forum, apologies and let me know.

Thanks...

[Choi117]

Do anyone or any members of the U.S. Marshal Service's Special Operations Group (SOG) can tell me the manufacturers name of the tactical vests that they are issued with? It's a CIRAS like tactical vest only its in a light gray color, and has side velcro in the upper part of the front chest plate where they can place velcro patches. As seen in this photo http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=100745

[Lasse]

I think that is an Eagle LE CIRAS, in RANGER GREEN.
http://www.skdtac.com/Eagle_LE_Molle_Armor_Carrier_NonReleasable_p/eag.561.htm


Occ, afaik the RAV uses a concealment cut. And the cut of the soft armor will often determine if the carrier is low profile or not, and not the actual nylon vest itself.
Being tall and thin is often a problem for soft armor, since you would in theory need a small and tall cut, and not a large or similar. I would advice you to try on several different vests if you are able to, with different armor cuts and decide on which you like the best.

[razorback 7.62x51]

Dpm is still a very efective camo

[razorback 7.62x51]

has any one received a rig or vest from uscav iv had thing on backorder for going on 3 months i hope they send them soon leave back to Okinawa in july

[Lasse]

Have you tried to call them and ask?

[razorback 7.62x51]

yes i have but every time the shipment date moves back weeks at a time
i have lots of patience but my time in the state is ticking way

[Kingcobra]

This question is probably for all the gear heads about the sizing on the BlackHawk Low Vis Plate Carrier ?


To start off I am 5'8 156lb -/+ , medium average build. In the past I bought a diamondback fast attack PC Medium and it seem to fit me just right in all the right places. would going to a large size be suitable to gain more real-state. I hope all of my questions make sense.

I would like to buy a BlackHawk Low Vis Plate Carrier but from what I read the version I want got 1 bad review from what I could find this is what I found from the review:

"Not what I expected from Blackhawk. The plate sleeves are different sizes for front and back. description stated will hold 10.5X13.5 plates. The front holds this sizes but the back was made for 9.5x11.5. Not what I wanted."
(Is this true?))))

()Has anyone had any experience or came across this plate carrier that can shed some light on my question.

()What is the proper sizing and placement of this type of PC.?

()How accurate is the OD color? From the pictures online the OD seems to be a bit on the lighter side.?

[James]

Skip Blackhawk, get something from London Bridge instead.

[Bacon]

Mayflower and Tyr Tactical make a nice PC.

[Col.O'neill]

I second mayflower RC . Just bought this beast.

http://www.mayflower-rc.org/store/7016/63/Assault-Plate-Carrier.html

[Kingcobra]

I like the Mayflower RC molle webbing, very similar in style too.

[Kilo1-1]

I got a set of the BH low-vis PC, and they're ok considering the price (don't pay over $40 for them). I like it because of the minimalistic design and light weight. As for fitting, I bought the large size, and it holds my large-sized SAPI plates (Ceradyne) snugly. There are different sizing for the PCs, so if you do go that route, make sure you get the right size.

You say you want "real-estate", do you mean by room for adding pouches/stuff on it? If so, forget the BH, it's 100% slick side front and back.

I have no experience with the OD color version, only the FDE.

The open sides and small package is a plus for ventilation in hotter weather. Because there are no cummerbunds or sides, using a hip/waist mounted holster is efficient.

[Kingcobra]

Really good info Kilo 1-1. Thanks!
real-state= coverage/protection
currently found them for $28+
as far as the fabric would it stand a bit of neglect/abuse worn over a chest rig by some crawling/dragging?

[Lasse]

That's actually wrong. Real estate does not equal protection. Your plates are a fixed size, they give the protection. The carrier is just a thin nylon shell, and it could be 100x100", and you'd still only get 12x10" of protection due to the size of your plates.

I'd also check out the Velocity Systems plate carriers, they are made by Mayflower.
http://www.velsyst.com/
Their plate carriers that pair of up with chestrigs, that would give you the option of expanding your real estate and running different set-ups if you have multiple firearms.

[Roy Batty]

Skip Blackhawk, get something from London Bridge instead.


^^^^^ This ^^^^^

[GoSka37]

I'll say this bluntly. Does anyone make a plate carrier for fat, tall folks? I basically just need one that's a little longer. Looking for something kinda like this. (http://www.condoroutdoor.com/cpc_compact_platecarrier.aspx) It'd basically just be used for when I go shooting for magazines and such. If anything I might just look into a MOLLE Chest rig.

[Lasse]

Do you have plates\armor sized for a tall and fat person? Or are you basically looking for extra load bearing capabilities?
The SKD PIG (http://www.skdtac.com/PIG_Plate_Carrier_p/pig.502.htm) might fit your bill? Or an full blown CIRAS?

[kayaker]

post phot's to show how well it fits...

[GoSka37]

Do you have plates\armor sized for a tall and fat person? Or are you basically looking for extra load bearing capabilities?
The SKD PIG (http://www.skdtac.com/PIG_Plate_Carrier_p/pig.502.htm) might fit your bill? Or an full blown CIRAS?

I just want to use it for load bearing capabilities.

Also... way out of my price range. Shiiiit. I might just go for the Condor one I posted. I'm not looking for anything super MILSPEC. It could be a cheap Airsoft vest for all I care. I'll just be using it for magazine pouches and a camel back pouch.

[Lasse]

Get a chestrig then.... If you aren't wearing armor, then there is no need for a plate carrier.
SKD has a bunch of high quality chestrigs which are also pretty cheap; http://www.skdtac.com/Chest_Rig_s/202.htm
There are also several hydration systems that integrate with a normal chestrig H-harness, I know that ATS makes a simple one.

[tactical73]

158537158536158535158534

Mayflower APC !!!!!!!!!

[GoSka37]

Get a chestrig then.... If you aren't wearing armor, then there is no need for a plate carrier.
SKD has a bunch of high quality chestrigs which are also pretty cheap; http://www.skdtac.com/Chest_Rig_s/202.htm
There are also several hydration systems that integrate with a normal chestrig H-harness, I know that ATS makes a simple one.

Alright. I'll just look into a chest rig... If all else fails I'm gonna try on that Condor plate carrier next time I'm at Agency Firearms. I was thinking about rethreading the straps to give me more length. All else fails I'll just get a chest rig of sorts.

[MikeSierra151]

I am envious 73!

[Ryan Boyd]

http://www.skdtac.com/Eagle_LE_Plate_Carrier_Cummerbund_p/eag.571.htm

What do you guys think? Im considering buying this one.

[Catch22]

Decent, innovative in 2005 ;-) Look for something mesh lined, with better adjustment and possibly a in-bulit QR. Dunno your budget but try Velocity or Mayflower, or if for real lightweight - Crye JPC

[Ryan Boyd]

Wouldnt mesh lining compromise strength? im somewhat new to plate carriers, but im looking for something sturdy and solid.

[tactical73]

I am envious 73!
MS is my store but I have the APC coyote ;-)

[GoSka37]

Well I've gone around the Web looking for something I want... And have come to the conclusion that I'll just get the 5.11 Tactical Vest. I'll probably end up getting this package from L.A. Police Gear (http://www.lapolicegear.com/5taloandlove.html). I figure since It's just a plain ass vest, I could use it for conceal and for range time. I can probably fit a good few 10/22 mags in those AR pouches. Also with that deal, I get the stow away pouches so... why not?! I figure it's a decent enough deal.

It's also been wife approved. They only have the Tan version though... which is fine by me... but she wants me to get the black one. We'll see.

[Lasse]

Wouldnt mesh lining compromise strength? im somewhat new to plate carriers, but im looking for something sturdy and solid.Well, the mesh isn't going to be as solid as 1000 denier (or even 330 denier) Cordura, but it's probably going to be strong enough. But mesh doesn't do much good with a plate carrier, since plates doesn't really breathe a whole lot, so the only thing I could think of would be a 3d spacer mesh, which would act as a padding in addition to giving you the idea that the carrier breathes, even though it doesn't.
The Eagle PC is good, it's a bit bulky compared to a lot of 2010- PCs. Personally, I'd rather spend a few more bucks and get a Mayflower APC.

Of course, the Eagle one can be used without plates, the MF one would be a sloppy saggy tit without plates.

[Henke556]

The new Swedish Stridsväst 08(Combat vest 08), issued to the soldiers in Afghanistan and some other units. This vest is a prototype for Stridsväst 12 which will be fielded in all units in the armed forces next year. The vest can be used both as a vest and a chest rig.

Vest:
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3637/imagevaulthandleraspx20.jpg

Vest/Chest rig:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6876/sv08.jpg

Chest rig:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn151/Coveise/DSCN1262.jpg

The vest comes with a variety of pouches, including:
3x Mag puch(2 or 3 mags)
6x Single mag pouch (Shingle type)
2x Big multi use pouch
1x Small multi use pouch
2x Hand grenade pouch
2x Mag dump pouch(with zipper, can be attached at the back and used as a small backpack)

The standard hydration system used in the armed forces can also be fitted in the back of the vest..

http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Internationella-insatser/Afghanistan--Isaf/Nyheter/Ny-stridsvast-i-Afghanistan/
http://forum.soldf.com/index.php?/topic/47708-stridsvaest-08-detaljer-och-bilder/page__st__60

How common is it with systems that can be used both as a vest and a chest rig? I haven't heard of it before, but reports says it works damn good!

[kayaker]

getting an item to do more than one thing normally leads to compromises. Be interesting to see how this one fares.

[MikeSierra151]

This is exactly what I have been thinking of having custom made.

[red6bravo6]

Hey guys, red6 reporting with another what the vest query, this time from FBI Los Angeles SWAT. The PC's are different, and was wondering who made them. Thanks in advance.159897
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikesphotos_us/5009995640/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikesphotos_us/3737100713/sizes/l/in/photostream/
159898 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikesphotos_us/3737100713/)

[Lasse]

The first one looks like a DBT vest, I'm not sure about the name, since their website is being rebuilt. The buttons of the flap-pouch are a typical DBT feature.
I'm not sure about the 2nd one, I think I've seen it before, but I cannot remember where..

[Odassea]

Hey guys, red6 reporting with another what the vest query, this time from FBI Los Angeles SWAT. The PC's are different, and was wondering who made them. Thanks in advance.


That first one is defiantly a DBT Predator. I've got one sitting 3 feet from me and they are practically identical. However, the operator has done a little personal tweaking on the straps, last I checked they didn't come standard with that much plastic top side.

The second one looks like an older low drag version MSA PC but I haven't come across a lot of vests that have side closure like that other than the marciras.

gl

[Kaskito]

Good afternoon guys.

Need a little bit of advice with a harness. Looking forward to a harness a little bit more complex than standard ALICE stuff with various pouches and ALICE/MOLLE compatible, but not tacticool, plain old pratical.

More specifically with room for an IFAK, shotgun ammunition, medkits, small essentials, tools, canteens, etc.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7603/110515mjg138014.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/110515mjg138014.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[thecoops]

Is it something like this that your after https://www.dragonsupplies.co.uk/catalogue/913-Multicam-Patrol-Yoke

[MikeSierra151]

Standard issue Fighting Load Carrier (FLC)?

[Lasse]

The pictured vest is an FLC, they are dirt cheap.

[panzermk4]

I never liked the standard issue FLC, it tore in Afghanistan and I had a Tactical tailor 2-piece MAV sent and have used that since.

[Kaskito]

Right now I own myself a Russian Tarzan M21 vest. Its got space for my shotgun shells and it has belt atachments but I feel somehow I dont need that vest, thats why im asking for something less complex. Its possible that I will buy some ALICE pouches on ebay (unless I find another cheap source) and integrate them to an existing LC-2 along some large-ass Russian pouches.

Im also getting rid of most of my canteens to buy a good camelback and have more space in my harness.

You might say "Oh sacrilege! mixing russian and american gear!" but I dont have many options down here in the third world.

[WinG_HU]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Bundeswehr_G36.jpg/759px-Bundeswehr_G36.jpg

Does anyone know the exact type of this BW chest rig (or tactical vest)? Thanks in advance.

[matticus]

BDS Tactical Custom Made Vests, Woot! Can't wait til mine is done

[Kaskito]

Does anyone know the exact type of this BW chest rig (or tactical vest)? Thanks in advance.

Hmmm I think this is not a particular chest rig but maybe add-on pouches for standard issue German bulletproof vests.

[Seek]

it's the German Mehler ST ("Bristol") vest. those pouches are sewn on top of it.

[BlackhawkCY]

with all the NIR hype that has been going around with uniforms has anyone heard of an NIR vest/plate carrier/chest rig?

[Lasse]

with all the NIR hype that has been going around with uniforms has anyone heard of an NIR vest/plate carrier/chest rig?Yes... Stuff that is proper US mil-spec should have both cordura and webbing that is NIR. One easy thing to look for is gear that is Berry compliant.

[hackenslash]

1st Pic: SORD chest rig front, with (L to R):

SORD accessories Small pouch - holds issue canteen if needed, OTW miscellaneous
SORD utility small pouch - for NVG, also usually I kept a spoon here
3x Australian Army issued LAND 125 double Mag pouches (I used to have, and much preferred, the FUP pouch Platatac makes, but then the CDF said we could only use issued ammo pouches, so I was lucky to get these http://lightfighter.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif )
SORD dump pouch
SORD accessories Small pouch - again, for a canteen or admin.

On my right shoulder there's a weapon retention strap, and on the left some elastic cord to hold a Tourniquet.

I'll post more as I go.
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[hackenslash]

Ok, here's the back, it's actually a Platatac MAC back panel, that a friend got for me cheap, with the shoulder pad things, and a Platatac Hydration carrier ( I run a Source 3L bladded), and a US woodland pouch I got off a mate who was throwing it out.

163940

[hackenslash]

My Frankenrig configured as a chest rig:
163944

The SORD shoulder straps came with it.
The rear strap is one I made myself since the one that came with it was not adjustable on-the-go or even one-handed.

[hackenslash]

Note that I ran the chest slick, for easy mag withdrawals, and kept it down as a chest rig, due to heat retention. It's bloody hot here in Aus!

[Elemental666]

This is not what I usually use since it is missing some of the things I need on daily basis, and doesn't allow adding/removing of ceramic plates into it, but it's still my favorite vest. Custome made by the battalion's appointed vest maker (Just a grunt that is really good with a sewing machine).

Front:

http://up353.siz.co.il/up2/zntxziyqe4mx.jpg (http://www.siz.co.il/)

1 - 4 pouches for 8 mags.
2 - Grenade pouch.
3 -Personal bandage pouch.
4 - Tourniquet pouch.
5 - Dedicated battery pouch, rolls out in a pretty cool way.
6 - Little side pouches, for sticklights/miscellaneous tools.
7 - Part of the hydration system.

Back:

http://up353.siz.co.il/up2/mzmqhxmbn2mg.jpg (http://www.siz.co.il/)

1 - WhateverYouCanFitIn pouch. Maps, cleaning kit, etc etc.
2 - Hydration system.
3 - ^.
4 - Where helmet is held when there's no need for it in a long walk.

That's about it.

[MikeSierra151]

Ever seen one of these?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=164600&d=1320982589

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=165127&d=1321475399

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=165128&d=1321475399

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=165126&d=1321475398

[Lasse]

Might be a custom AWS vest. Could probably rack up quite a lot of money if you sell it to the proper audience.

edit: not "strike".

[Lasse]

Here is a picture of an AWS SF rig:
http://i.imgur.com/NyGHN.jpg

Looks similar, but yours is a split front and full harness..

[MikeSierra151]

I was specifically asking if anyone has seen this vest model. I need to know if it was customized other than the hydration panel. It has a holster and a frag pouch which I have never seen on AWS SF rigs.

[Lasse]

You where asking if anyone had ever seen one of those...
Have you tried to contact AWS?

[MikeSierra151]

Last time I checked their email was down.

[Troubadour]

Looks like an extremely custom job.

[Ivan Kesja]

anyone know of some good pouches for ak mags that can attach to a belt or work for a chest rig or both, that holds 1 or 2 mags stacked, because I don't want it to stick out a lot since going ****e would be annoying. also can work with 20 round mags since I can't go any bigger.

[Lerch]

Eagle Industries AK pouches? I could stack two 30rnd mags in them. They're somewhat tall though and take up alot of space if you're using them on a vest.

[kayaker]

anyone know of some good pouches for ak mags that can attach to a belt or work for a chest rig or both, that holds 1 or 2 mags stacked, because I don't want it to stick out a lot since going ****e would be annoying. also can work with 20 round mags since I can't go any bigger.

http://www.deathvalleymag.com/2011/03/02/tactical-gear-–-field-tested-zulu-nylon-gear-m4-double-magazine-pouch-–-an-innovative-m-4-mag-pouch-in-a-sea-of-mundane/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+deathvalleymag%2FHrFY+(DEATH+VALLEY+MAGAZINE) (http://www.deathvalleymag.com/2011/03/02/tactical-gear-%E2%80%93-field-tested-zulu-nylon-gear-m4-double-magazine-pouch-%E2%80%93-an-innovative-m-4-mag-pouch-in-a-sea-of-mundane/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+deathvalleymag%2FHrFY+%28DEATH+VALLEY+MAGAZINE%29)

I know it says M4 but the author tested them with AK mags... and not in his mummy's back yard either.

[Airborne controller]

I am need of some ideas. I am moving away from DA to LRP. I have always used a heavily modified TT MAV 2 Piece or plate carrier, I even modified the MAV to use the Blackhawk yoke and butt pouch but with a 100lb rucksack the two do not work well at all, the shoulder straps on the rucksack always push in the rig to wear you can’t access anything and or you can’t do up the hip belt.

I now have a Blackhawk LBE webbing and even an old issued webbing too, I am leaning towards webbing because i like being able to have it sit low enough to be able to still use my hip belt. Does anyone out here have any ideas as to any checked rig's to use with a rucksack, as well it was to be small and compactable enough to pack in my rucksack to jump.

[Airborne controller]

Improved Blackhawk yoke with two rear archor straps. The molle is great for the mic and the GPS but the drag handel is a must.

I attached straps to recive the butt pack from the LBE.

Not so much for LRP, but I have 4 buckels to attach a 24 small Pack when doing DA, note when conducting DA the Blackhawk yoke is replaced with the normal TT straps but with a improved H harness.

You can see the LBE beside the TT. My only issue with the LBE is that it is bulky and IOT pack it in my rucksack for Airborne operations i have to remove the butt pack.

Again your input would be great


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[Greek soldier]

Have a look at these designs

http://www.kitmonster.co.uk/index.php/cPath/149

Another, much simpler design is this

http://www.rvops.co.uk/molle-yoke-with-molle-battle-belt-tan-2148.html

The other set up would be chest rig + hip pad + rucksack. With a chest rig your back is free and you can easily carry a rucksack. The hip pad is independent from the system, thus you can set it up and adjust accordingly. This is however much more expensive and also much more complex than the previous two designs.

Please note that I'm not a professional soldier, and the experience I have with such systems is minimal.

[Virus]

I second mayflower RC . Just bought this beast.

http://www.mayflower-rc.org/store/7016/63/Assault-Plate-Carrier.html

Same here, just purchased one for my upcoming deployment.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l282/palatin/M1090003.jpg

[Airborne controller]

Same here, just purchased one for my upcoming deployment.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l282/palatin/M1090003.jpg

Does this carrier come with soft Kevlar inserts? (not to be confused with plates)or is it extra?

[razorback 7.62x51]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzGZkNNfwZc
Would be a great rig to keep in the jeep.

[MikeSierra151]

Does this carrier come with soft Kevlar inserts? (not to be confused with plates)or is it extra?

No armor included.

Nice score Virus, I just picked one up myself. Im leaning toward getting a Recce rig for it.

[FenderJoshBass]

Oh Esstac, why must the weather prohibit you from sending me my shotgun cards? :|
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k9/JLD_II/Stuff/Shooting/DSC03685.jpg

[razorback 7.62x51]

Nice hsgi rig.

[kayaker]

Gucci...! But wouldnt you rather have the med pouch (black angel medical?) right out the way?

[FenderJoshBass]

Thnx, pack and rig are actually TT and pouches are HSGI. :D Med kit is no issue since it's the same size as an M4 pouch.

Have not taken this all to the range yet but it definitely carries all I need. Have found the pack size is perfect for "3 day" use for me when outdoors or traveling, just add chest rig and weapon for firepower. p-)

[JC545X39]

Does anyone know where I can (currently) find a "Rhodesian chest rig"? (Also called a "Rhodesian Recon Vest" or "Rhodesian Plate Carrier"!)
Its the one that has the bib in the front that can fold down in the front if you aren't using it, or it can hold a ceramic plate if need be.
The only place I have seen them lately is SKDTactical and they only have the BLACK color in stock...since this is an older design, I'm not too sure if they will continue making more.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

http://www.tacticalkit.co.nz/index.php/vests/rrv-vest/

[Greek soldier]

If you want the one Eagle Industries used to make, it'll be like treasure hunting. If you're lucky, you'll find it on eBay.

[steyr_88]

Oh Esstac, why must the weather prohibit you from sending me my shotgun cards? :|
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k9/JLD_II/Stuff/Shooting/DSC03685.jpg

Nice chest rig but buy a tube cover to cam the blue tube. There like 5 bucks on ebay and they work well.

[digrar]

Half a meter of inch tube tape does it too.

[JC545X39]

http://www.tacticalkit.co.nz/index.php/vests/rrv-vest/

Thanks very much. I was wanting the Eagle Industries model, but this looks very nice as well.
Never been too picky about brands as long as it works, but I'm too ignorant about all this stuff. Are these guys any good?

And are there any other options out there in cyberland?

EDIT: I guess I should have said this:
I'm trying to put together an "extreme" hot weather kit that will hold some rifle mags, a ceramic plate, a med kit, and a dump pouch. (Its not actually as hot as some of the stuff our troops have to deal with, but I have a condition that make me more sensitive to heat. Its called being a wussy.)
I thought I would put the dump pouch on a "battle belt" as well as the med kit and probably a small pistol holster, and put the mag pouches on the vest you linked to.
Sound like a plan?

[Leaper]

I just got me a BHI Cutaway vest for my upcoming deployment. Anybody here who have used one?

http://images1.opticsplanet.com/640-640/opplanet-blackhawk-strike-cutaway-3d-mesh-lining-armor-7.jpg

[Royal]

Thanks very much. I was wanting the Eagle Industries model, but this looks very nice as well.
Never been too picky about brands as long as it works, but I'm too ignorant about all this stuff. Are these guys any good?

They're good.

[Greek soldier]

Thanks very much. I was wanting the Eagle Industries model, but this looks very nice as well.
Never been too picky about brands as long as it works, but I'm too ignorant about all this stuff. Are these guys any good?

And are there any other options out there in cyberland?

EDIT: I guess I should have said this:
I'm trying to put together an "extreme" hot weather kit that will hold some rifle mags, a ceramic plate, a med kit, and a dump pouch. (Its not actually as hot as some of the stuff our troops have to deal with, but I have a condition that make me more sensitive to heat. Its called being a wussy.)
I thought I would put the dump pouch on a "battle belt" as well as the med kit and probably a small pistol holster, and put the mag pouches on the vest you linked to.
Sound like a plan?


If it's an ALICE belt + chest rig, no problem. If it's a 2-row PALS webbing belt + chest rig, the same. With a 3-row PALS webbing belt you might have issues with ergonomics, i.e. place the chest rig a bit higher on your body.

My kind of set-up I have made (no airsoft and sh!t, in case you might ask):

LC1 ALICE belt with attached dump pouch (Viper), 2 3/4 canteens, a shovel, and a Gerber Steadfast. There's enough space for a IFAK drop-leg/belt attached pouch.

http://i.imgur.com/VhIq0.jpg

Tasmanian Tiger Chest Rig (1st edition) with 4 Double Mag pouches, and 1 Radio Pouch. An IFAK pouch can optionally be placed at the side.

http://i.imgur.com/xaNoz.jpg

This is the back with expanded upper panel and the ballistic plate

http://i.imgur.com/fsJBP.jpg

Can't tell how suitable is it with a large backpack.

There are hundreds of this type chest rigs, in different colors. Also some manufacturers offer several tailor-made options.

[JC545X39]

Thanks for the pics. I wish I weren't so ignorant about all this crap, but I guess you gotta start somewhere.
Better late than never.
You say there are many brand that offer a rig with the capability to hold a ceramic plate...Who makes your current favorites?
EDIT: are any of them much better than any others, or are they all about the same?

[Greek soldier]

Some manufacturers you can search include:

Tasmanian Tiger (Germany)
Tactical Tailor (USA)
Condor Tactical (USA)
Blackhawk Industries (USA)
BDS Tactical (USA)
Warrior Assault Systems (UK)
Templar Assault (UK)
Defcon5 (Italy)

Can't say which is better or not 'cos I haven't used them in combat operations. Members here you are far more experienced than me can give you a solid feedback. I chose the Tasmanian Tiger 'cos the mag pouches are compatible for G3A3-G3A4 mags.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Are these guys any good?

New Zealand Defence Force contracts for their pouches and vests.

Those contracts were issued on advice of soldiers experiences with the companys products.

They ship worldwide.

[Lasse]

I just got me a BHI Cutaway vest for my upcoming deployment. Anybody here who have used one?

http://images1.opticsplanet.com/640-640/opplanet-blackhawk-strike-cutaway-3d-mesh-lining-armor-7.jpgDoes your armor fit? If not, it's pretty pointless.

[Leaper]

Yes it does. I checked it before I bought it.

[digrar]

New Zealand Defence Force contracts for their pouches and vests.

Those contracts were issued on advice of soldiers experiences with the companys products.

They ship worldwide.

I hear it comes with life time immunity from being banned from mpnet too.

[Sloppy Joe2]

assorted spammy selling stuff type post

This isn't ****ing ebay. Read the forum rules

[boscoman]

My apologies

[BLUE THOR]

I hear it comes with life time immunity from being banned from mpnet too.

Do you get 2 for $200? I just want to know if theres a purchase cost/immunity ratio...

[boscoman]

If banning me will make you feel better than knock your socks off. I have apologized, yes I was wrong, but you continue on like my ex wife used too & just shows a level of immaturity.

[digrar]

What are you on about? The post after your apology has nothing to do with you or your post.

[sgtfcm]

Good day, any suggestion for a good alternative to a LC2 belt ? I am currently using a british belt with metal buckle (sometimes called para belt) but I'd like to replace it with something closer to the LC2 belt I used to wear.

[Greek soldier]

Why don't you go for the original LC2 instead? There are scores of them in several surplus stores.

If you want an alternative to the one you were issued, search for Austrian Army's Pistol Belt, almost the same as the LC2. If you don't mind for the stamped eagle...

http://niedbalskioutfitters.com/belts-suspenders/austrian-army-web-belt-used/
http://www.asmc.de/en/Gear/Military/Tactical-equipment/Belts-accessories/Austrian-BH-pistol-belt-olivgreen-used-p.html

There's also the USMC-style LC2

http://www.asmc.de/en/Gear/Military/Tactical-equipment/Belts-accessories/Pistol-belt-USMC-style-olivgreen-p.html

[sgtfcm]

thank you greek soldier! the austrian belt looks nice, i can get them 1 hour driving from here in their country.
How about the USMC-style LC2? all those I've found on the net looks pretty cheap and possibly made for softair? Can you show me a real issue?

[Greek soldier]

If they don't have these belts in surplus stores, try searching on ebay. Most of them are sold with the suspenders, and also have the NSN number.

For instance:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/USGI-USMC-MILITARY-LARGE-LC2-PISTOL-WEB-BELT-LBE-SUSPENDERS-/370587838889?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5648c1a9a9

[JC545X39]

Some manufacturers you can search include:

Tasmanian Tiger (Germany)
Tactical Tailor (USA)
Condor Tactical (USA)
Blackhawk Industries (USA)
BDS Tactical (USA)
Warrior Assault Systems (UK)
Templar Assault (UK)
Defcon5 (Italy)

Can't say which is better or not 'cos I haven't used them in combat operations. Members here you are far more experienced than me can give you a solid feedback. I chose the Tasmanian Tiger 'cos the mag pouches are compatible for G3A3-G3A4 mags.
Okay, I'm a big boy and I can look for myself, but it would be silly for me to have this resource available and not use it to ask...
Who has the cheapest one?

[Greek soldier]

Were I a salesperson in this field, I could have been able to direct you, but I'm not. Thus, unless other members can help you, Google is your friend. ;)

[razorback 7.62x51]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pva8xq-Bo7E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVCLu3jEjPE

[kayaker]

KISS solution... I like it.

[razorback 7.62x51]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROb2qE5p5Y&feature=g-u-u&context=G252b115FUAAAAAAAEAA

[razorback 7.62x51]

Build a chest rig online.
http://www.vestbuilder.com/

[suhsjake]

Hey folks, need help in looking for H-harness/suspenders to use with MOLLE belt. Must be Coyote Brown in color and not a cheap/knockoff brand. No Chinese stuff. I like the PLCE style as it gives more support and stabilization as compared to the US Y spenders and it can be worn under the armor. Probably looking to talk to our European/AU/NZ friends.

[razorback 7.62x51]

Sushjake.

Botach tactical has free shipping on everything
http://botachtactical.commerce-search.net/search?keywords=harness
Also try USCAV and Cheaper than Dirt.

[egm]

Blue force gear and Emdom make great suspenders.

The emdom's have a front buckle (similar to most day packs) that will prevent them from slipping off your shoulders. Problem is they have a ton of extra metal retainers that make it uncomfortable when worn under body armor. You can simply remove the extra ones and use gorilla tape to secure the cordura. PS the L/XL has plently of extra material, so if you're tall these will be great. Make sure to cut away the excess if wearing under body armor. Also, cut a small piece of padding to cover the metal button that holds the cross section in the back together. Or just remove it. The basic concept of these are great, but they went with too much extra hardware in my opinion. I used these in Afghanistan and they held up great.

The bfg suspenders are easily worn under armor, super low profile, half the price of the emdom's, but if you're taller than 6"2", they may not be long enough. They don't have the front strap, but I'm sure you can easily make one. These are lighter than the emdoms and are pretty simple so there isn't much modding that needs to be done so you don't get rubbed raw when they're under armor.
http://prostores2.carrierzone.com/servlet/emdomusa/Detail?no=54
http://www.blueforcegear.com/soc-c-low-profile-suspenders/

[Dirty-Dutch]

Anybody here got any experience with the Warrior Assault systems vests/rigs? I'm planning to buy a centurion chest rig from this manufacturer.

[Aibeethoven]

Anybody here got any experience with the Warrior Assault systems vests/rigs? I'm planning to buy a centurion chest rig from this manufacturer.

I own a couple of pouches from them. They are good qualitiy, and I guess there PC and chestrigs are the same.
It's not high end AAA brand stuff, but I think it'll work just fine.
A company from 13Infbat AASLT bought there PC and pouches for their tour in A-stan.

[Dirty-Dutch]

and it did hold together for the entire tour? if so, it will be fine to use just in the woods ;) Also the prices on the WAS stuff isnt that bad.

[Aibeethoven]

and it did hold together for the entire tour? if so, it will be fine to use just in the woods ;) Also the prices on the WAS stuff isnt that bad.

You should ask Tercio67 if you need more info....
I only used the pouches in NL, but I think it'll last. The sewing of our issued vest etc looks **** compared to the WAS products.

[Dirty-Dutch]

You should ask Tercio67 if you need more info....
I only used the pouches in NL, but I think it'll last. The sewing of our issued vest etc looks **** compared to the WAS products.

thats exactly the reason for me to buy my own gear. the issues vests just hold 1 week in the field, and after that week i can get a new one :P

[Ipkiss]

@Dirty Dutch; check your PM.
Just realized you just wanted a plate carrier. Nevermind then, the Centurion also has my interest.

[thesystem]

Anybody here got any experience with the Warrior Assault systems vests/rigs? I'm planning to buy a centurion chest rig from this manufacturer.

Yeah, i got it....

Good quality and not that expensive. Only issue i have with the vest is that the top part of the MOLLE system is a bit off.
But yeah, it works and thats the only issue i have with it and when you carry just 8 mags, you dont need any mag pouches!

[SwiftandSure]

I have the Centurion Rig Mk1, and I'm very happy with it. I find the mag bank a little awkward as I'm a Steyr shooter, and the mags have small hooks on them which catch from time to time. If you have any specific questions, feel free to PM me.

Here's a photo of me in mine, and if you'd be so kind, please 'like' the photo too, as I'm trying to win stuff on Facebook. Cheers.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150823974746878&set=o.211819085532306&type=1&theater

[Dirty-Dutch]

thanks Swift, im using polymer magazines for diemaco, so i thinks they will fit fine ;) its a cheap rig with lots of good carying capacity. (also liked the pic for ya!)

[cwlod033]

Just putting the finishing touches on my vest. What do you guys think?179388

[SwiftandSure]

Thanks Dirty Dutch, yeah STANAG mags are grand in it.

Here's a clearer pic of me in mine...

I tend to do away with the front pouches if I don't need them, otherwise they're a bitch to wear in the ****e position.

[flanker7]

Ι put G3 mags in mine. Up to 6. It can take all 8 of them but that makes extraction difficult at the 2 and 7 positions

[Dirty-Dutch]

if i choose to go and use front pockets on the rig, it most certainly will be open top pouches with bungee straps, same as used on the rig itself, further a radio pouch on it and 2 utility pouches on the sides, wit a PRR on the middle chest pocket.