Mega chest rig/vest/RACK/LBE thread. Post all queries here.

[therifleman]

Does anyone know where I can get Tan/Green chicom AK-47 chest rigs under $30? Everywhere I look they seem to be sold out. Ebay doesn't have any at the moment except for some that were used during the war, but they're in really bad shape. These things seem to be impossible to get now.

[Hippo]

I bought my ak chest rig from cheaper than dirt for fairly cheap if i recall correctly; however, i cant seem to find it right now

[therifleman]

Yeah, I looked there and they're sold out.

[Polygon]

Yeah, I believe I bought mine from there for $10.

I guess you could try Googling some stores or keep browsing eBay.

[Enduring Freedom]

What about this (http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/odtcr1nx.html)?

[therifleman]

What about this (http://www.flecktarn.co.uk/odtcr1nx.html)?


Yes, I've seen that but I'm looking for a US based supplier. I need this by the end of the summer and the shipping times and costs from the UK are just to un-predictable.

[LaoSexMachine]

There's a surplus store near my house that has it for like 12 bucks. I bought mine from there.

[therifleman]

You're lucky. I have an army-navy store near my house, but they don't have them. I wonder if they could order one in for me from one of their suppliers if I asked.

[LaoSexMachine]

They have a buttload of them.

[Gunge]

i meant to buy one way back - but thought i could get one anytime, now it looks like the US supply of them has dried up?
i gotta check sportsmens guide online
and check back to let yall know
i saw them in cheaper than dirt too a while ago they were only like 11.95
dammit

[Createdeemcee]

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/AS-MAG-H20PKG.aspx

Not green or tan but both. Comes with free AS mags if youre a real player!

[Polygon]

Not a bad deal, but probably a cheap POS.

[Vince S]

http://airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=62019

[TallGuy]

Tactical Tailor makes a ChiCom style AK harness. I believe they were made for the Iraqis. I've seen them in OD, Woodland, Ranger Green and Multicam. An ebay store called Rainier Gear has been selling them. I remember seeing one for only $45.


Check out this thread on the AK forum:

http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23595

[jd123]

I got some SKS chest rigs, they only hold 20rd AK mags, otherwise, just 10rd clips.

[1911-a1]

You can use the rigs in other ways too - http://www.makeyourowngear.com/Articles.php?action=detail&g=content1179709352&pid=460

[therifleman]

Thanks for the link Vince.


I'm in the process of doing business with that Canadian guy. I'll let you guys know how it goes.

[Jass]

Hey Guys, Im making myself ready for deployment and Im now looking for a good vest ore chestrig.
I wil be driving an armored vehicle on deployment (eather YPR 756 ore Bushmaster). So I think a Chestrig will be better choice, keeping my back clear and give me space to move..I always used the standart Opsvest, but it sucks when you are. I also need to take consideration that Im going to walk alot of patrol, where I wil carry a vest.

So any recommandations?

If its Desert/DPM/OD and I can put M16 magazines init. Im happy.

thank you in advance:)

[ProPatria]

I think it will all depend on how much and what you have to carry. If you have to carry 10 mags, grenades, water, map, medical gear etc. I would recommend the Warlord V2 or the Warrior R.I.C.A.S Compact. Or you could piece together your own rig, it all depends on what you want and need.

[Gungnir]

I recommend a plain/blank system and you purchase the pouches etc.

I have the Rhodesian Reconnaissance Vest (blank)
-1x IFAK (unit issue and mandatory)
-4x 3-mag pouches (USUALLY, 2x pouiches for ammo, 1x pouch smoke grenade, 1x pouch NODs)
-1x SAW Pouch ("Leaders Pouch" - notebook, map, protractors, map pens, smart cards (IED, Language, 9-LINE), meal replacement bar, batteries [surefire, AA], small binos)
-2x flash bang pouches (1x GPS, batteries, 1x flashlight, batteries)
-MBITR pouch
-compass pouch (compass)

Everything I need. If I need hand grenades I still have room to attach 2 grenade pouches. Except for the IFAK which is unit issued, the other pouches were bought new or used from surplus store... or acuired. It works well. And not at all a gucci set.
I thought about removing the two center 3-mag pouches and putting in 2x 3-mag pouch, the one that 3x mags next to eachother left-right. 2 of those pouches on top of eachother.
However, I am comfortable with my set up...

I do have a SpecOps Over Armor Vest... what I used before the RRV. Also blank and had the same pouches. And if i wanted to go back to a vest, I could and use the same pouches.


The problem I see or at least for me, no matter what system you have (I've used or tried on)... it is bulky due to the body armor.

[nougabol]

TT MAV's are pretty good and cheap

[scttgillies]

If i was to buy a new one, i would go with artkis, only cause my chest rig i have had for 19 years is an original Artkis 7 pouch from Op Granby. But as a driver i would sack the idea of a vest or chest rig and go with a battle bag. Probably the blackhawk one, but decent ones can be bought in theatre for 10-20 bucks.

[MikeSierra151]

Diamondback Tactical also make two or three different models of there Low-Vis racks. I had the one that holds six mags. The only thing I didnt like was it didnt have tie downs on the straps.

[jsb]

Give me a pm back.
Oldskool army dude.
jeroen

[Roy Batty]

As a driver I would'nt worry about a rig. You'll never wear it.

[Jass]

Thanks for all the nice replys peaple!
Im lining up what I do need and dont need, Il post my choose later one.
The Battle bag scttgillies posted looks very intresting!
Il talk with the other drivers what they think about it.
Annyone know where I can buy a cheep "riflestock" magazine pouch,
Could realy use on of those also.

Thanks everybody!


As a driver I would'nt worry about a rig. You'll never wear it.

You should have a word with my co, we are all expacted to wear it.

[Roy Batty]

Just got back from Afghanistan and my LAV driver wore his vest once in 10 months man. As for the KAF-sack (mag pouch) it's usefulness depends on your weapon system. What type of rifle do you carry?

[Leaper]

just got back from afghanistan and my lav driver wore his vest once in 10 months man. As for the kaf-sack (mag pouch) it's usefulness depends on your weapon system. What type of rifle do you carry?


if its desert/dpm/od and i can put m16 magazines init. Im happy.


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[Niels]

Annyone know where I can buy a cheep "riflestock" magazine pouch,
http://www.countrystore.nl/main.php?id=UNIFACT_5e5c2e0d6200225e115a19143e4926bc
Or
http://www.countrystore.nl/main.php?id=UNIFACT_3156fd00900e3855024116273e91e4d8

[Roy Batty]

A short list of weapons that can share the Stanag mag system:

Armalite AR-18/Howa Type 89
Beretta AR70/90
Beretta ARX-160
Beretta Rx4 Storm
Bernardelli VB-SR
Bofors Carl Gustaf Ak 5
Bushmaster M17S
CETME Model L
CIS SAR-80
CIS SR-88
Colt M16/Diemaco C7
Colt M4/Diemaco C8
Daewoo K2/Daewoo K1
Daewoo K3
FAD assault rifle
FAMAS G2
FN F2000
FN FNC
FN Minimi/M249 SAW
FN SCAR
Heckler & Koch HK416
Heckler & Koch G41
Kel-Tec SU-16
IMBEL MD2
IMI Tavor TAR-21
Kel-Tec SU-16
Kel-Tec PLR-16
Khaybar KH2002
LAPA FA-03
Magpul Masada
Magpul PDR
Norinco CQ
Pindad SS2
Norinco QBZ-97
Remington Model 7615P "Police Patrol Rifle"
Robinson Armaments M-96 "Expeditionary Rifle"
Robinson Armaments XCR
SA80
SAR-21 (export models)[5]
SIG 556
Steyr AUG A3 (through conversion)
T2 MK5 rifle
Type 65
Type 86
Type 91
Ultimax 100
XM29 OICW

So it is not safe to assume that he carries an M16 varient. If he does, however, and it has a telescoping stock the "KAF-sack" can interfere with the charging handle and the forward assist of that rifle.

[Leaper]

You forgot the Swedish Ak5, FN FNC doesnt count

And he's Dutch, they carry the same rifles you guys (Canadians) do

[Roy Batty]

Then my advice counts. The stock-sacks for mags are a pain in the ass at best and a danger at worst.

[trunk_munkey28]

Then my advice counts. The stock-sacks for mags are a pain in the ass at best and a danger at worst.

Agreed. Theres nothing more painful then watching some knob fresh off of KAF try to ready his C7A2 with a Magpouch on his stock, and failing miserabley.
The only practical application I saw was our tank crews fixing the pouches to the front handguards; since they weren't wearing thier Tac vests in the turret at least they had 60 rounds for their carbines rather than 30.

[Troubadour]

He could always just double-mag it. It might be too wide, but I dont know the room you have to work with. Honestly, just talk with the other drivers you are going over with, especially ones who have already been over. They know your vehicles, your weapons, and the equipment easily available to you.

[tercio67]

Try this one, a webshop located in Assen.
http://www.vikingmilitarygear.com/

[crazyman]

Just my thoughts...if you don't know what you want, wait until you have spent a month or so in country, then go off and spend your hard earned money on what you need. I generally prefer Tactical Tailor or Diamondback, but thats just my opinion (an affection for TT comes with being stationed in Ft Lewis, its automatic). Ive found that when soldiers buy a bunch of stuff shortly before deployment, they end up wasting half their money. Soldiers who buy stuff while in country usually do a bit better.

[David]

we had people in my platoon come to iraq with chest rigs and vests, 90% of them don't use them anymore, it's way more convenient to just put the pouches straight on the iotv. but if your armored, like in a tank, i can't really relate, closest i get to being mounted is being in my humvee on the way to falafel stand. personally i think the best solution would be to have somebody walk along with me and carry all my ammo and crap, but that ain't going to happen. but maybe your situation is different, last deployment i had the old IBA and i wore a tactical tailor 1 piece chest rig and it worked fine for one reason, the snapping loops on the shoulders.

[Roy Batty]

A lot on nations dont have body armour that has Molle attachments. For them (like Canada) a seperate load bearing system is a must.

[Ipkiss]

The Dutch however have a vest with lots of molle loops. That is, if you get it issued because a lot of guys get the older vest that was designed for alice clips..
Most Dutch guys like to wear the vest over a t-shirt, then put on a smock jacket and on top of that a chest-rig or vest.. UBACS and other under bodyarmour shirts are still a bit unknown so it seems..
I have seen a nice Chestrig from Tasmanian Tiger somewhere..

http://intranet.tatonka.com/infosys/bilder/250/7616a.jpg

also in Tan and OD.

Or check www.uktactical.com

[LineDoggie]

Then my advice counts. The stock-sacks for mags are a pain in the ass at best and a danger at worst.Well,, Maybe type of Stock pouch is the problem.

I carried an M4, Usually I has a Specops brand stock Pouch attached.

http://www.specopsbrand.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductID=7#
Not the M4 "T-Bone" but the regular plain M16 version attached horizantally

Funnily enough, I never had an issue with it on patrols, either mounted or dismounted. However I can see where some other style might not allow the charging handle to be retracted properly if the stock if telescoped all the way inwards. Until I left I wound up using a T.A.G. Pouch with no issues either.


When I relief drove I wore My RACK chest rig, or took it off for better clearance with a Bandoleer within grabbing distance.

At one time, supply got us some of these for the drivers:

http://www.specopsbrand.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductID=32

and there are Lower profile versions out there. Eagle Industries makes one that hold 4 Mags.

[Seraphim]

The Dutch however have a vest with lots of molle loops. That is, if you get it issued because a lot of guys get the older vest that was designed for alice clips..
Most Dutch guys like to wear the vest over a t-shirt, then put on a smock jacket and on top of that a chest-rig or vest.. UBACS and other under bodyarmour shirts are still a bit unknown so it seems..
I have seen a nice Chestrig from Tasmanian Tiger somewhere..

http://intranet.tatonka.com/infosys/bilder/250/7616a.jpg

also in Tan and OD.

Or check www.uktactical.com (http://www.uktactical.com)

Looks like a interesting rig. Are there any other companys that make one similiar to it?

[Hammer27]

The price is right. I don't like where they make their stuff (Vietnam) and some people have voiced problems with the gear but I've never had a problem. DBT, Eagle, etc etc are better but I just think this is a good deal if money is an issue.

http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Chest-Pouches,852,2.htm

[scttgillies]

Thanks for all the nice replys peaple!
Im lining up what I do need and dont need, Il post my choose later one.
The Battle bag scttgillies posted looks very intresting!
Il talk with the other drivers what they think about it.
Annyone know where I can buy a cheep "riflestock" magazine pouch,
Could realy use on of those also.

Thanks everybody!



You should have a word with my co, we are all expacted to wear it.


Heres the specs on the blackhawk battle bag. We found them good for warrior crews in MQ.

http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Battle-Bag,872,1394.htm

[FoxRed-3]

Looks like a interesting rig. Are there any other companys that make one similiar to it?


High Speed Gear Inc. (HSGI) makes a plate carrier close to this. It is the Weesatch/Wasatch/Woosatch line. Internal mag pouches and plenty of molle real estate (especially when combined with the side plate carrier adapter kit).

Weesatch is The smallest carrying 6 mags, Wasatch carrying 8, and woosatch carrying ten, I BELIEVE. I used the Wasatch coupled with the side plate carrier adapter kit over top of my body armor on my last deployment. No problems, very adjustable to the wearer.

As for the butt stock mag pouch: the charging handle issue would be a great concern for me too. I carried my mag in the same manner, but instead of a pouch used a small diameter, 1 inch thick black rubber band that held the mag very secure. I just removed the buttstock and slid the band over the tubular portion of it. You can buy these bands under the name STRAC BANDS from Brigade Quartermaster.

As I left the wire, I pulled that mag and locked and loaded, leaving the rubberband around my buttstock. No prob.

[Dan2004]

Anybody know if the old ten-pouch SKS rigs will hold 20rnd AR mags?

Thought I might get one just for sh*ts-and-giggles at the range. p-)

[FoxRed-3]

Here are a couple of photos I dug up with the STRAC band mag holder. Made good for FOB boot cruising and was the mag I locked and loaded when I left on patrol.

[LineDoggie]

Anybody know if the old ten-pouch SKS rigs will hold 20rnd AR mags?

Thought I might get one just for sh*ts-and-giggles at the range. p-)
Yes it will. We used to use them for OPFOR gear, as a Sgt had about a dozen of them from his gunstore.

[BrianT]

Here are a couple of photos I dug up with the STRAC band mag holder. Made good for FOB boot cruising and was the mag I locked and loaded when I left on patrol.
I'm pretty sure you can do that with some retaining bands and not pay a dime.

[Troubadour]

Is there something wrong with mag-clamps? I haven't seen anyone recommend those yet.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

SADF vest/rig. That and a sewing awl covers all your needs.

[FoxRed-3]

I'm pretty sure you can do that with some retaining bands and not pay a dime.


Yeah I'm in a Stryker unit now, so a bag retaining bands from the rigger's shed would help me big time.

[ArYeS]

I need information about the type of vest that italian soldiers are using in Afghanistan-Herat.

Primary reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk35T78AoA4&feature=related (0:30)

Secondary reference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI0kamb3XuU&NR=1 (0:13-0:15 time)

Can somebody identify these vest? Do you know which ones are mainly used?

Thank you!

[Hippo]

if this is for airsoft, it belongs in the airsoft section

[Soldat_Américain]

The Vest is made by Defcon5...I did some searching for you, and their had been a thread on this earlier. However it seemed to only get 14 Posts with the last being a year ago.
http://www.defcon5italy.com/product_info.php?cPath=95&products_id=523

The other thread:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=132451

[budgie]

if this is for airsoft, it belongs in the airsoft section

Why is every question about gear for airsoft. Who exactly is qualified to ask about gear without being accused of airsofting?

Equipment and gear is equipment and gear. Buying selling and searching ffor the stuff doesn't presuppose any particular use does it?

[ArYeS]

Its not for airsoft, I just need information about their gear.

Thanks for answers, but this Defcon5 Raptor ( http://www.defcon5italy.com/product_info.php?cPath=95&products_id=270 ) on back side doesnt look anything like that soldier in first youtube video on left side at time 0:32.

Anyone knows whats that armor plate carrier?

Again, THANKS, u are really saving my day!

[corra]

the armor is the ap98.Luckly i read on a defence magazine that in the second part of this year a first order of 3600 new amor should be delivered.(fonte "tecnologia e difesa")

[easyand]

the armor is the ap98.Luckly i read on a defence magazine that in the second part of this year a first order of 3600 new amor should be delivered.(fonte "tecnologia e difesa")

more news about this?

[durandal1707]

I'm getting ready to buy a chest rig for train-up / and deployment to Afghanistan and I'm a bit hung up about what kind to buy (especially when a good one costs 200 / 300 dollars). I've been looking at the ones over at bdstacticalgear.com and deliberating . What's better, the x-harness? Hydration carrier back? Open/Bungee Pouches or velcro/buckle pouches? What would be the best for an 11B? Any help would be greatly appreciated! (I didn't see any dedicated thread to tactical gear so I figured this would be a good resource for anyone looking to buy some.)

[shuredgefan]

What chest rig are you currently issued and what is it about the issue gear that you don't like?

[durandal1707]

What chest rig are you currently issued and what is it about the issue gear that you don't like?

Currently just throwing my pouches directly on my IBA. I don't like the limited space I have (esp. around the sides) and limited carrying capacity the standard issue stuff has. Also I find myself having to switch out loadouts (bigger pouches / canteens etc.) to suit the situation, which is great except it takes years to weave and un-weave the pouches. Also, I love the bungee retention but the flaps and "covered" mag pouches would provide better protection against the elements.

[JJ_BPK]

As for gear & rigs for out-side the wire:

Use what your issued. You may even need to use the pouch format and placement mandated by you Bn or Bg. 11B's do not get choices. Your hot-shot wired-up bud with the NVG doesn't see your IR tag in the right spot,, your bagged..

In fact even 18B's don't get a lot of choices. It is all mission dependent and is determined by the Team-Sargent.

If you are in eminent deployment mode, spend time on the ancillary items that will make your tour tolerable. Work with 2nd & 3rd touristas on setting up a re-supply plan with/from your mama. Give her lists, sizes, brands, and cu vol per ship.

Brake your needs into units..


Carry on - what you need for the 1st week
Ship with unit - heaver or secure items (laptop/lawn chair)
Mail re-supply package - monkey-butt-wipes, toys
Oh,, use the "search" function,, There are a couple threads that list the "nice" stuff..

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=89915&highlight=deployment+gear

Just remember,, Your adversary does not get his tail in a twitter over gear.


Good luck & thank You for your service...

[shuredgefan]

What about a molle compatible platform pistol belt (http://www.opsgear.com/5-11-VTAC-LBE-Belt-p/511-58634.htm) for your extra pouches and stuff?

It would take weight off your already heavy armor vest.

[TehSuig]

Find the Team Leader in your company that has the coolest looking gear and ask him. Don't worry, he won't get mad. Any real gear queer loves to talk about his **** and take you to ADS/Lightfighter to get your own. :)

[crazyman]

my advice, based on two trips to iraq: Keep it simple. Go to Afghan with what youre issued (the current RFI is a lot better than it used to be) and see what you really use/dont use. the IOTV is a lot better than the IBA when the time comes to upgrade, so dont go crazy wasting your money before you deploy. Whats the point of buying all sorts of cool guy **** when youre going to break it in training? I never wear my tactical tailor stuff in training.

Try finding a tactical gear store near you. Eagle, TT, quantico tactical, whichever, they all are great about letting soldiers bring in their gear on slow days and trying stuff on. Just prior to deploying for OIF 3 i went into TT in lewis during the week when no one was in there, and tried on a ton of their stuff. I ended up buying a couple 3 mag pouches for the initial trip over, and ordering a MAV, X harness, etc a bit later, once I had a clear picture of what I truly needed. This trip around I used the same rig until we got the IOTVs, at which point I put it all on that. Just think about it before you go spend half your months' pay on **** you dont use

[James]

Good advice in this thread. I can only repeat it - see what you think is deficient after training for a while and work on that. Don't buy a whole set of kit now, only to find out later "Gee, I could've just bought a few pouches and put them on my vest."

[Ol' Bob]

What about a molle compatible platform pistol belt (http://www.opsgear.com/5-11-VTAC-LBE-Belt-p/511-58634.htm) for your extra pouches and stuff?

It would take weight off your already heavy armor vest.


I agree with this....I don't want any more stuff on my flak than I have issued. Sure it looks cool and all, but just go with a utility belt. You can take stuff off of your flak and put it on there ie. IFAK, drop pouch. Or if you want to get gear queer get thigh rigs.

[TallGuy]

If you're going for a MOLLE belt, then I recommend the ATS war belt and ATS suspenders. The belt is actually a slip on cover that fits over most belts e.g. rigger belt. The suspenders are thin enough to wear under your armor vest. I got the belt in one size smaller so it wouldnt go all the way around to the front. That way it was more comfortable to sit, bend down etc....

http://www.supplycaptain.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=394&ParentCat=74

http://www.supplycaptain.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_ID=395&ParentCat=74

[Schad]

Get a set of SADF web gear, ruck, chest and vest for $40.00 - hell for that price get three sets and throw them away after the tour.

[James]

[QUOTE=Schad;4076748]Get a set of SADF web gear, ruck, chest and vest for $40.00 - hell for that price get three sets and throw them away after the tour.


Do you honestly think the U.S. Army would let him use such a thing?

[crazyman]

that looks like crap.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

that looks like crap.

What does? The SADF assault vest and chest rig?

[durandal1707]

Do you honestly think the U.S. Army would let him use such a thing?

Me- "Look Sgt. I got a new chest rig!" My SL- "... Just start pushing..."

[drunkpunk]

You can use the rigs in other ways too - http://www.makeyourowngear.com/Articles.php?action=detail&g=content1179709352&pid=460

nice DIY work. thanks for the link.

[Dan2004]

Leave it to the airsofters...*sigh*
http://www.airsoftextreme.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2514

Chicom SMG rig.
https://www.mainemilitary.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=0&idproduct=2345

^^These guys also have Chinese RPG packs.

[Ipkiss]

Did anyone notice that diamondback have dramatically lowered their prices on their gen 1 Predator vests? Now around the $ 200 mark. That's even cheaper than airsoft clones..

As for the topic-starter: this is the same vest our green berets are using so you might get away with wearing it (with your issued soft armour and plates)..

http://www.diamondbacktactical.com/PREDATOR1_sale/RCVB_CYT.jpg
www.diamondbacktactical.com

[Seraphim]

Thanks for the heads up. I'll be placing an order on Monday.

[James]

Thanks for the heads up. I'll be placing an order on Monday.

If you want a sweaty, as worn in A'Stan CB predator vest, let me know. No armor, just the carrier, I can't remember the size (probably XL). I'll be home in a few weeks.

[Dan2004]

Yes it will. We used to use them for OPFOR gear, as a Sgt had about a dozen of them from his gunstore.

From the looks of 'em, they look like they might also fit the old 15 rounders for the M1 Carbine.

[thesystem]

I while ago i bought this chestrig/vest from Arktis
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6619/nlrig.jpg
It's realy a nice vest and chestrig at the same time. You get it on as a vest but all the ready to use pouches are located as a chestrig. It's fully adjustable and i can noticed it is made to fit over a armor vest.
The vest itself consist over 3 parts, the yoke, the left and the right side.
Another nice thing about this vest is that you can drop it down and that all the weight is distributed over the hips, and when you need to wear a bergen, you can raise it up and you can use the hip strap of the bergen.
The only thing that i dislike is that i can only take 6 Diemaco 30rnd magazines. But you can carry 2 200rnd minimi boxes on the other hand..
Its a nice vest, good price but it would be nice if i could carry more magazines in it.

[flanker7]

Arktis ammo pouches can hold 4 STANAG magazines like the M-16 ones. I have an Arktis Advanced Chest Rig and I've tried it

[thesystem]

The problem is, in de dutch army we dont have the STANAG magazines but we got some plastics. They are from Diemaco, our gun manufacturer. THey are a bit wider so only 3 will fit in. But yeah, dutch governments choise to buy those mags

[ZoneOne]

Looks like a interesting rig. Are there any other companys that make one similiar to it?

http://www.bdstacticalgear.com/pd-bds-tactical-simple-stacker-chest-rig.cfm

BDS makes a bunch of different rig types, this one the "simple stacker" is pretty similar.

Does not hold soft inserts or plates.

[dacanadianbomb]

With all the options added in, its more expensive than it looks at first glance.

[DocHyde]

Does anyone know which vest this is? I know it's IDF, but it's not Hagor or Marom Dolphin. And if you do, does anyone know where to get one?

http://www.wickedreport.com/images/ReasonsToJoinArmy_01.jpg

[blacksheep]

Hey guys,

can any one tell me something about the qualitiy of the standart issued RACK from the army.

I first want to buy myself a paraclete rack but + shipping and custom it would be to expensive.

If any one had an old one he/she could pm me;)

Blacky

[PathFindeR[BE]]

anyone got experience with
Viking 4 Mag. Dutch Chest Rig ?

[JDP50]

A phrase I learned and took to real quick sufices here: "K.I.S.S."-Keep It Simple Stupid.

[DWG193]

Some time ago i got this vest from a supplier of military gear to the Malaysian armed forces. He didn't know much about it, aside from the fact that i that it was Indonesian and it was a plate carrier, plates inserted via two zips on the front of the vest, and had a tag which read TNI 2006.506

http://img29.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=tniplatecarrierplatesec.jpg

Months of attempted research came up with nothing, and i have yet to have seen a single Indonesian soldier wearing this vest.

Thx in advance

[Erki]

Do you brits use the hip-pad for the PLCE webbing and is it any good? I'm issued something similar to PLCE and thinking about getting a UK hip-pad.

[LineDoggie]

Hey guys,

can any one tell me something about the qualitiy of the standart issued RACK from the army.

I first want to buy myself a paraclete rack but + shipping and custom it would be to expensive.

If any one had an old one he/she could pm me;)

Blacky I used the SDS R.A.C.K. in Iraq, had no problems with it. I thought it much better than the Issued FLC.

Added to it 3 Specops Brand pouches (1X6mag, 1X4mag, 1X Folding knife pouch)
Quality was good, no problems with the stitching or buckles, snaps, etc. I used to fold the bib portion down when not carrying Frags.

Also used an Arktis 42 Cdo Chest rig in DPM which wasnt bad either.

[Bisley_Bob]

Do you brits use the hip-pad for the PLCE webbing and is it any good? I'm issued something similar to PLCE and thinking about getting a UK hip-pad.

Yea, I use a hip pad. It's great, makes it super comfy, but the main plus for me is because I'm not a fatty it adds more girth to my waist, so I can fit more on the belt without the pouches extending round to the front.

[Aldo Penniconi]

Issued to the MACV-SOG teams during the Vietnam War. How common are these? Did these ever also come in Tigerstripe patten?

http://www.modernforces.com/img/new_site/pm_man_17.jpg

http://www.modernforces.com/img/new_site/pm_man_10.jpg

[James]

I suspect that it was unlikely that these vests were issued in Tigerstripe. They're also pretty rare in pics of the old timers - usually they're wearing regular suspenders/cartridge belt, BAR belt, and/or NVA chest pouches.

[Aibeethoven]

I doubted between the Wasatch and the TT MkII, but I'm going for the TT.
http://www.hsgi.us/prodimages/WAS150.jpghttp://intranet.tatonka.com/infosys/bilder/250/7616036A.jpg

[Pete031]

my advice, based on two trips to iraq: Keep it simple. Go to Afghan with what youre issued (the current RFI is a lot better than it used to be) and see what you really use/dont use. the IOTV is a lot better than the IBA when the time comes to upgrade, so dont go crazy wasting your money before you deploy. Whats the point of buying all sorts of cool guy **** when youre going to break it in training? I never wear my tactical tailor stuff in training.

Try finding a tactical gear store near you. Eagle, TT, quantico tactical, whichever, they all are great about letting soldiers bring in their gear on slow days and trying stuff on. Just prior to deploying for OIF 3 i went into TT in lewis during the week when no one was in there, and tried on a ton of their stuff. I ended up buying a couple 3 mag pouches for the initial trip over, and ordering a MAV, X harness, etc a bit later, once I had a clear picture of what I truly needed. This trip around I used the same rig until we got the IOTVs, at which point I put it all on that. Just think about it before you go spend half your months' pay on **** you dont use

A lot of good advice, however, I recommend training on whatever rig you are going to be using. Get your muscle memory going on the rig.
Know where your kit is in your rig.

[crazyman]

A lot of good advice, however, I recommend training on whatever rig you are going to be using. Get your muscle memory going on the rig.
Know where your kit is in your rig.


I'd definetly agree on training with what you have, I just hate to see young soldiers go out and buy all sorts of junk, and then realize they don't like it, don't need it, etc. In training I wore most of the same pouches as I did in combat, but I didnt bother with the TT MAV that I was issued back in the day when in Ft. Lewis. Just some thoughts on preserving your better stuff

[SoundOFaGun]

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6482/0704090227.jpg

[ShotOver]

You're going to want to cut that massive Rambo knife away pretty quicky and get a nice foldup one in your pocket for all your cutting needs...

[SoundOFaGun]

na, its not that big and its a fixed just in case.. what if there is no time for a foldup?

[ShotOver]

No time to grab a knife from your pocket with your free hand, but you have time to sling your weapon, grab a massive upside down Rambo knife from it's sheath and lop off terrys head? Haha, no worries mate. When you start lugging 50+kg of kit around Afghanistan up and down mountains you are going to start checking your kit for stupid useless crap and you will cut it down to shed weight, that claymore sword will be the first to go.

[SoundOFaGun]

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8083/0704090228.jpg

Hey, im open to what you have to say.. im considering any changes i need to make before deployment to iraq... do you have any other tips?

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

do you have any other tips?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=143371

[Bisley_Bob]

That huge knife will get annoying when you need to carry a daysack or bergen more than a few metres

[Pete031]

Especially when the only thing you will be using your knife for will be cutting 550 cord and opening ration boxes.

[Roy Batty]

Nah Pete. He's gonna hold it in his teeth while doing a single man charge on whole cells of insurgents..................

[SoundOFaGun]

I lost the knife, and the chest rig.. just put it all on my IBA so all i have on my IBA is an IFAK, NVG Pouch, 6 Mag pouches, Flashlight and Gerber..at first I figured I would keep a fixed blade, because EPW serches, and you hear about close combat in iraq.. Im way pased the what looks cool stage and im not an airsofter ha, thanks

[Pete031]

The best advice I can give you, is find something that works for you. Decide on it and then train on it. If you want an anti aircraft knife on it, put one on it. But make sure that you get used to your rig before you deploy.

[SoundOFaGun]

hooah! .. AA knife is gone i have a tanto folder

[Pete031]

Have a good tour.

[SoundOFaGun]

Should be fun, not sure whats going on in Iraq.. the news is back on afghanistan... from what everyone is saying.. it will be boring.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Yeah well, be careful for what you wish for...

Otherwise have a safe trip.

[cvanwort]

I've got a general question about the LBE/Tactical LBE.

http://www.darknessecho.net/roster/members/gear/Enhanced%20Shoulder%20Load%20Bearing%20Vest%20Black.jpg

In the bottom picture, is it possible to take the section that is on the man's lower back and fit it into a regular LBE like this one below, so that the 2 horizontal straps coming down would connect to the back piece about where the butt pack would be?

http://www.freewebs.com/firebird_one/M-1956%20Combat%20rig.jpg

[MikeSierra151]

I've got a general question about the LBE/Tactical LBE.

In the bottom picture, is it possible to take the section that is on the man's lower back and fit it into a regular LBE like this one below, so that the 2 horizontal straps coming down would connect to the back piece about where the butt pack would be?



That LBV was designed to work with the ALICE belt. Dont really understand why you would try to mix them. But Im sure with some imagination and needle thread anything is possible.

[11B101ABN]

I lost the knife, and the chest rig.. just put it all on my IBA so all i have on my IBA is an IFAK, NVG Pouch, 6 Mag pouches, Flashlight and Gerber..at first I figured I would keep a fixed blade, because EPW serches, and you hear about close combat in iraq.. Im way pased the what looks cool stage and im not an airsofter ha, thanks


Dont dump the chest rig. Do NOT.


Being able to dump your gear and retain your armor is a very handy capability. There is more inherant versitility in having them seperate.

Reduce the mag count to 8 keep spares in a bug out bag in your vehicle.

Adjust the mag count dependant on your position. I have no idea what you do as far as your MOS, but if it involves being vehicle borne, keep the clutter to a minimum. You might even consider two different rigs: one for mounted/gunner one for dismounted.


Dude, if you want some no s h i t info, go to Lightfighter.net and get it there. You might be surprised at the good info you will find, since most of us there are Soldiers, Marines and other assorted knucledraggers.

[lucky1380]

<----REMF, I'm "deployed" to Korea, best look will be Qatar, closes I'll ever see, but RFI does give plenty of kit and more than you'll need for most places. I agree that when you get there you'll find out more of what you need and what can stay locked in a toughbox.

[lucky1380]

I wear my gear on the issued vest over my OTV, because I'm an equipment operator. When we start setting up the equipment I lose the over vest and have a lot more mobility and don't have snag issues. If you're gonna be issued the IOTV it will definately hinder the tear away aspect though.

[ktk.ace]

would like to enquire what kinds of foreseeable advantages/problems that a vest of this design and layout will bring:

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1210/26030707.th.jpg (http://img443.imageshack.us/i/26030707.jpg/)
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/993/38521822.th.jpg (http://img74.imageshack.us/i/38521822.jpg/)
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1382/seppar0016image.th.jpg (http://img443.imageshack.us/i/seppar0016image.jpg/)

[Bisley_Bob]

The vest seems ok but its a bit odd to have the pouches spaced out like that. Imagine hitting the deck with your triple mag pouch slightly off centre. If you're going to put stuff across the front of your belly you want a solid block of pouches. Or alternatively push them to the sides so the chest is clear and you can lay down easily.

[ktk.ace]

The vest seems ok but its a bit odd to have the pouches spaced out like that. Imagine hitting the deck with your triple mag pouch slightly off centre. If you're going to put stuff across the front of your belly you want a solid block of pouches. Or alternatively push them to the sides so the chest is clear and you can lay down easily.

thanks for the input, i'll keep it in mind! woot

[victor1-1actual]

does anyone know of any units that used this vest or if it was ever used at all?

http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/305_load_bearing/iifs_01/load_bearing_mc_06.jpg

[flanker7]

Yes, early in the Afgan war by US SF

[Hispeed1]

Don't think any unit would use a vest with a red X on it..

[CamoDeafie]

actually....I'd think not in early 2000s.........it was a prototype/commercial system i believe....that particular one was an attempt at making a modular vest on the old LBV-88 platform, before the SPEAR/ELCS/MOLLE series...the webbing on it is meant for ALICE clips or the company's version of it....i'd like to say, around 1990s, mid 90s at most? is there a tag on it if you have it in hand? it's most likely used by a few people, but i honestly dont know. compared to the SPEAR series and the normal LBVs, that unit looks to be more of a hassle to work with and around..especially with the clips and such.

[Socrates187]

I think I've seen some photos with Marines using those in training, I'll have to check.

[profall]

That's the standard knock around LBV used for training across all of the branches. You'll see Army ROTC cadets wearing those, guys in training pretty much, etc... It's not really meant to be used in combat. It was at one time, but now it's just old equipment laying around to be used for training as I don't think the military wants you to ruin expensive equipment and such in basic training crawling around in the mud and all that. Your just issued it so they can load you up with ammo/weight etc... and make you go out on a patrol in basic training etc... Or when you do your water survival training they'll load LBV's like that up with weights.

[victor1-1actual]

That's the standard knock around LBV used for training across all of the branches. You'll see Army ROTC cadets wearing those, guys in training pretty much, etc... It's not really meant to be used in combat. It was at one time, but now it's just old equipment laying around to be used for training as I don't think the military wants you to ruin expensive equipment and such in basic training crawling around in the mud and all that. Your just issued it so they can load you up with ammo/weight etc... and make you go out on a patrol in basic training etc... Or when you do your water survival training they'll load LBV's like that up with weights.

this is a modular version from the late 90s not the standard one. it was going to replace the lbv your talking about but spears and molle vests came around the same time and it was fased out i was just wondering if anyone ever used it

[4thPointOfContact]

I used the LBV for a while before ETS'ing in 91. MOLLE came online and the LBV faded out rapidly after that.

If that one is modular then it's more than likely from a vendor rather than Big Army. IIRC (can't say for sure as my vest is buried in a shed) the issue vest had two vertical pockets on each side for a total of 6 (2+1) magazines. There was a vendor that had in improved version with angled pockets.

[James]

I used the LBV for a while before ETS'ing in 91. MOLLE came online and the LBV faded out rapidly after that.

If that one is modular then it's more than likely from a vendor rather than Big Army. IIRC (can't say for sure as my vest is buried in a shed) the issue vest had two vertical pockets on each side for a total of 6 (2+1) magazines. There was a vendor that had in improved version with angled pockets.

That same LBV was used by the USMC in the mid/late 90s.

[Canadian Bommer]

The paltfrom is of TT design, made by a friend, I made the bib (today as a last min add on), all pouchs are TT expect the 9mm and multi tool;

2 x 3 mag;
2 x 3 mag flat panel;
2 x frag;
1 x Smk;
2 x utility;
1 x 9mm;
1 x Multi tool:

Only thing i don't like is with the bib its hard to get to the flat panel mag pouch's. I know it's green but thats what spray paint is for.

What do you guys think,

Cheers

[Bisley_Bob]

Looks pretty interesting, it's quite hard to see how it sits from it being in a pile on the floor. Got any shots of it being worn? I've only ever used our issue beltkit so I'm interested in what advantages you get from a rig like this.

[Canadian Bommer]

Can't load pic for some reason but will later tonight, but the flat panel mag pouch's sit behind the ones you can see in the front

[Canadian Bommer]

Hey Bisley,

Here is another pic as asked, as for the differance from this and a belt kit. kit placement !!!!!, and getting to it in a hurry while under fire is a must. I can speak of our issued Vest is well junk, and it only carry's 4 mags, but this one up to 15, Normally 10 with one in the gun, or 6 for a small OP

[MaverickCowboy]

Whats best for Snow,winter mountainous terrain?

[Bisley_Bob]

Yea, that looks good. I'd be concerned with crawling about with all the bits and bobs like pens you've got on the outside, but maybe that's not your role. With my beltkit I can't really get to the rear pouches without taking it off. But then the Q bloke gave it me for free and if it breaks he replaces it for free. I am quite attracted by a chest rig though, it'd allow me to wear my daysack lower and with the waist band so that it doesn't smack me on the back of the head when I hit the ground.

[Canadian Bommer]

Oh I am sure I'll be kissing alot of dirt with the job lol. As for the pens and markers, I need them handy for marking maps and writing orders. As for hard to get on my chest, very good point, that's why I Moved over to this rig and I don't have 4 3 x mag pouchs on the front. The two I have on the front are for DAGR and The other is for readly accessqble items while hunting. With my IBA on it sits higher and my radio bag sits perfect, I am using the Camel bak bfm, best bag on the market, all my peers use it as well.

[Roy Batty]

That Camelbak bag is a non-starter as a radio bag. It's a great bag (I have one and did try it overseas) but does'nt provide the support necessary for carrying a 117 for long periods of time or distance comfortably. Look into Mystery Ranch........

[Canadian Bommer]

I find if you take out the surf board support in the back it works better, I used in on my lst tour and recently on my last course for 10 weeks, but I'll check it out, cheers

[Sabre]

I used the LBV for a while before ETS'ing in 91. MOLLE came online and the LBV faded out rapidly after that.

If that one is modular then it's more than likely from a vendor rather than Big Army. IIRC (can't say for sure as my vest is buried in a shed) the issue vest had two vertical pockets on each side for a total of 6 (2+1) magazines. There was a vendor that had in improved version with angled pockets.

I proffed one of those angled lbvs a while ago. I use it instead of the uk issue yoke. Mainly because the shoulders are more comfortable when not wearing body armour than actually putting mags in. Useful for putting extra ammo in though, or smoke etc.

[TacoDelRio]

Whats best for Snow,winter mountainous terrain?

Depends on whether you're required to carry specialized tools (mountaineering), or not.

[trunk_munkey28]

http://www.eagleindustries.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=76&page=1

Hey all,
With the above belt, does the velcro mentioned in the description travel around the length of the belt for wearing a duty belt over top of it?
That seems to make sense to me, but the page doesn't really seem to say?

[MaverickCowboy]

Depends on whether you're required to carry specialized tools (mountaineering), or not.

yes, plus body armor, solft and hard. +magazines

[Pete031]

http://www.eagleindustries.com/product.php?productid=660&cat=76&page=1

Hey all,
With the above belt, does the velcro mentioned in the description travel around the length of the belt for wearing a duty belt over top of it?
That seems to make sense to me, but the page doesn't really seem to say?


I have a rigger belt which is the same design... The velcro doesn't travel the whole way around, only about 12 inches or so. But it may with the Eagle brand.

[ayanami_tard]

since i kinda shy to start a new thread just to ID stuff i think this place would be the best to ask a question

i would like to know the proper name of such vest below(it looks generic and i see such is issued to many UN peacekeepers)

http://www.planetb.net/phpix/albums/Gulfwar/iraqi-soldiers.jpg
(this is iraqi personnel btw)

and i also would like to know
1-how do this vest compare to IOTV(i know there's a certain level in ballistic vest but i just want to know general comparison between the two,and it's drawback,something like that)

2-the purpose of the front "pocket"(to put ceramic plate?)

thanks

[Bisley_Bob]

2-the purpose of the front "pocket"(to put ceramic plate?)


Correct, that's where the plate goes.
Can't help you with your other questions as I've not used it or any of the yank armour.

[OmegaTheory]

Can someone ID this rig?

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj4/Theonlythingworsethandragons/pfh_meb_d2_650.jpg

[Sand Man]

Looks like RAV in MC.

... and rehost your pic. Your hotlinking to TADGear's website.

[OmegaTheory]

Looks like RAV in MC.

... and rehost your pic. Your hotlinking to TADGear's website.


Gotcha, fixed.

Could be although I looked at the RAV, it looks a little bigger then that, what about a CIRAS?

[Catch22]

It's RAV, look at the cable/tube tunnels, and its complete with stok MSA Paraclete pouches. And these vests do come in sizes - I know L-sized people who prefer to wear M-sized BALCS vests for the sake of compactness and mobility, this one could well be the case.

[Troubadour]

Having owned a RAV, I can confirm that is definitely a RAV.

[Sand Man]

Could be although I looked at the RAV, it looks a little bigger then that, what about a CIRAS?

Like what Catch and Troub said. Here's a closer look of a RAV. Notice the similarities.

http://manoreight.free.fr/SBS/rav.jpg

[OmegaTheory]

It's RAV, look at the cable/tube tunnels, and its complete with stok MSA Paraclete pouches. And these vests do come in sizes - I know L-sized people who prefer to wear M-sized BALCS vests for the sake of compactness and mobility, this one could well be the case.I do know they come in sizes but the thought of it being worn small didn't occur to me. :cantbeli:


Having owned a RAV, I can confirm that is definitely a RAV.Well that’s pretty definitive.


Like what Catch and Troub said. Here's a closer look of a RAV. Notice the similarities.

http://manoreight.free.fr/SBS/rav.jpgAhh yeah, I can see it better with this picture then the one's I was comparing.

Thanks much guys.

[unthinking]

http://manoreight.free.fr/SBS/rav.jpg
Do you have any other photos of this vest which show a better angle of the pistol? I'd like to see what holster it is and how it's mounted.

[Sand Man]

Probably something like this... Holster model may vary. (Pics not mine)

http://i34.tinypic.com/2cik50y.jpg

http://i34.tinypic.com/33eo3li.jpg

[Catch22]

On this British SF RAV there's a Blackhawk Serpa holster mounted, via their modular platform.

[Sand Man]

Yeah, Couldn't find a pic with a Serpa that I wouldn't get infracted with.

[Manstein]

Sorry to add yet another "What type of gear" question, but came across this picture in the news today. Would anyone by chance know, what kind of chest rigs these Afghan (special) police forces (guy on the left and middle-right) are using? Seems to be a big step up from their usual chi-com gear.
Also, I have never seen them using tiger-stripe like uniforms.

[Aibeethoven]

Some pix of my TT chestrig.
The rig holds 8 M4 magazines, but there are only 4 on the picture. I have the Ghost holster which I can mount on a dropleg platform also.

http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae124/Aibeethoven/TasmanianTiger2.jpg

http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae124/Aibeethoven/TasmanianTiger1.jpg

[Greek soldier]

Very good and practical chest rig. I bought it because it can also carry G3 magazines. :)

[slaveman]

I'm a big fan of the Rhodesian-style rigs. Both Blackhawk and Eagle make very nice (well-padded) versions. They're comfortable and easily support heavy loads, but you can also set them up with low-profile pouches for a lightweight, minimalist rig. I guess more than anything, I like the flexibility they give you (X or H straps, full vest, plates, no plates, etc.)... And they're pretty affordable.

Another affordable option is the Tactical Tailor MAV. It's a very high-quality rig for under $100 with lots of options. But from my experience, they're not nearly as comfortable as the latter. They're designed to be worn over your IBA, and do not accept plates.

If you're wearing issued armored, the MAV might be your best bet. It comes in all military-compatible colors as well. More than anything though, just make sure you buy the best you can afford the first time around.

Cheaply manufactured, low-quality gear that breaks is totally unacceptable for equipment that your life depends on (yet it's found everywear). A $10 Chicom rig is better than some of the junk I've seen. Just stick to the good stuff and you'll be happy.

[slaveman]

By the way Manstein, those rigs in your picture are very similar to the Rhodesian-style rigs that I was talking about. It's really hard to say exactly what they are though. There's such a variety of gear being used in Afghanistan. It could be anything from a mass-produced vest made somewhere in Asian, to a limited-production rig from an American contractor (made specifically for that unit).

There's also a lot of AK vests and rigs that were made in France for Central Asian and Arab nations. The Russian-made designs are common as well, but those don't look Russian to me. I'm curious as to what they're wearing as well. Maybe someone from one of those regions could give us some insight.

[thesystem]

Please....please dump all those patches, only put the NLD in the middle!
Those all around look crap. The chestrig itself looks cool!

[Greek soldier]

Please....please dump all those patches, only put the NLD in the middle!
Those all around look crap. The chestrig itself looks cool!

Not only cool (black is even cooler) but also perfect for all sizes.

The NLD patch is at the right side 'cos the newer versions (OD and Khaki ones) have 2 velcro bases there.

[G3SG1]

Very good and practical chest rig. I bought it because it can also carry G3 magazines. :)

i am thinking of bying it also, any other options to carry with g3 mags?

You bought it in ENEDRA?

[Greek soldier]

i am thinking of bying it also, any other options to carry with g3 mags?

You bought it in ENEDRA?

The other option is a Tactical Tailor MAV with the 7.62 mag pouches, and the Eagle Rhodesian Recon Vest

http://www.tacticaltailor.com/mavvestcomplete.aspx

http://www.optactical.com/eainmostrhre.html

No, I bought it from Monastiraki last year for 130 Euros (I know I know, Ballis is expensive).

The OD version is currently out of stock. I believe they have some pieces here in Greece.

Better buy it either from Germany or from the Netherlands.

[G3SG1]

The other option is a Tactical Tailor MAV with the 7.62 mag pouches, and the Eagle Rhodesian Recon Vest

http://www.tacticaltailor.com/mavvestcomplete.aspx

http://www.optactical.com/eainmostrhre.html

No, I bought it from Monastiraki last year for 130 Euros (I know I know, Ballis is expensive).

The OD version is currently out of stock. I believe they have some pieces here in Greece.

Better buy it either from Germany or from the Netherlands.


Τhanks a lot for the insight friend.:hug:


Doesn't the TT ammo vest carry 7,62 also?

[Greek soldier]

Tasmanian Tiger vest/rigs/vest bases carry all types of magazines (G3, G36, M4, AK, MP5 etc.).

You can also add additional mag pouches at extra cost.

Mind you however that the vest and vest bases don't have height adjustment. If you're tall it's OK, but if short (like me) then it's a problem.

[TrOX]

This will be my new one http://www.atxs.de/Seiten/produkte.htm.
Hopefully for the next years,because the most is really crap.
Have used it for 2 months from a fellow and the storage space is good. Could be used for 2 M4 mag (with a little more space than for a G36 mag) per pouch and behind every pouch 1 aditional mag.

[1911-a1]

So this thread is just about vests etc? I guess I can post mine here then... Serbian M99A2 made by Mile Dragic.

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/1392/vest0.jpg

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/9742/vest2.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2875/vest3.jpg

[TrOX]

So this thread is just about vests etc? I guess I can post mine here then... Serbian M99A2 made by Mile Dragic.


Hmm interesting one. For what is the upper multipocket on the back?

[1911-a1]

Rifle grenades. You attach a rifle grenade to a nylon band, and then put it in the pouch. The nylon band goes over your shoulder and attaches on the front of the vest, and when you need a rifle grenade you just pull the band and you get one!

[TrOX]

Rifle grenades. You attach a rifle grenade to a nylon band, and then put it in the pouch. The nylon band goes over your shoulder and attaches on the front of the vest, and when you need a rifle grenade you just pull the band and you get one!

Okay! Nice function.

[Sabre]

Rifle grenades. You attach a rifle grenade to a nylon band, and then put it in the pouch. The nylon band goes over your shoulder and attaches on the front of the vest, and when you need a rifle grenade you just pull the band and you get one!

Just remember to untie it before you fire it.... :)

[durandal1707]

Anyone have a good rig / set-up for a SAW gunner? Just got switched from M4 so I'm kind of lost. My Split front M4 rig isn't working too well.

[ShotOver]

What do you guys carry? Loose link, or those horrid plastic 200rnd box mags? Also, how much link all up do you carry. I'm sure your load would of been totally different to mine and I carried the LSW for a year. I'm Australian Infantry by the way.

The yanks I came across overseas usually had 2 link pouches attached right on to their vests and that was about it.

[Goldfishsoldier]

What do you guys carry? Loose link, or those horrid plastic 200rnd box mags? Also, how much link all up do you carry. I'm sure your load would of been totally different to mine and I carried the LSW for a year. I'm Australian Infantry by the way.

The yanks I came across overseas usually had 2 link pouches attached right on to their vests and that was about it.


How many rounds do you carry in the Ghan? I've heard up to 1600 in the earlier trips but I couldn't see how you would carry that many rounds unless your number 2 is bearing some weight.


Anyone have a good rig / set-up for a SAW gunner? Just got switched from M4 so I'm kind of lost. My Split front M4 rig isn't working too well.

If you can use a belt rig, it sits better around you hips than all the weight to your front.

[ShotOver]

Early trips they would stomp from Kamp Holland in to TK with packs full of Ammo, we didn't feel the need to carry that much, since we had 2ASLAVs with our Platoon at all times, plus a Bunch of Bushmasters bombed up to the max.

What I carried fluctuated between 600-1000 in 100 and 50rnd coils, we cut away our MAG58 after a couple of months and everyone else in the section carried 50-100rounds of link on them in case.

Remembering our section comprised of 1Driver, 1Crewie, Secco, 2ic, CFA/Scout, #1Rifleman/Scout, 1Scout, 2Gunners on the LSW. For awhile there we didn't have a Scout so we had to have 1LSW and the #1Rifleman up front.

[Goldfishsoldier]

Early trips they would stomp from Kamp Holland in to TK with packs full of Ammo, we didn't feel the need to carry that much, since we had 2ASLAVs with our Platoon at all times, plus a Bunch of Bushmasters bombed up to the max.

What I carried fluctuated between 600-1000 in 100 and 50rnd coils, we cut away our MAG58 after a couple of months and everyone else in the section carried 50-100rounds of link on them in case.

Remembering our section comprised of 1Driver, 1Crewie, Secco, 2ic, CFA/Scout, #1Rifleman/Scout, 1Scout, 2Gunners on the LSW. For awhile there we didn't have a Scout so we had to have 1LSW and the #1Rifleman up front.

Yeah I usually carry 800. 700 in 50 round coils in my webbing and a 100 in a magazine. What caused you to cut away the MAG58's?

[ayanami_tard]

Rifle grenades.

...

rifle grenade still in use today?

[1911-a1]

rifle grenade still in use today?


Yeah...
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9806/yugoakmspigot.jpg

[BlackhawkCY]

Has anyone tried the NFM TRYM QRS vest?
How does it compare to the Eagle CIRAS? Im talking more on ergonomics rather than ballistic capabilities since that depends on the plates you put in

[Lasse]

That's what we Norwegians call "M07". Personally I haven't used it yet, but I've seen some people who struggle to get it on properly without help. Not sure if that is very different from the CIRAS.

But unless you get it from your unit, you have to shell out atleast €370 ($535, and this is without any ballistic material) if not more, and I'm not even sure if they sell it commercially yet (or ever will).

[Marsuitor]

Todays M07/Trym does not have a very intelligent design IMO. Put some pouches on it and you'll need help from someone to put it on properly, because of the way the velcro and fastening works. In addition it's a little too long, going too far down, too wide over the shoulders and some people have problems with the chest being too wide as well, obstructing their arms when moving in front.
From what i'm told they have a Mk2 coming out pretty shortly where they've improved on these issues and the new vest is supposed to be quite alright.

Personally i don't like the M07. I'm still using the older M04 which i've modified by fastening a MOLLE panel on the front with zipties and webbing (3xmag pouches on this, that's all), putting sleeping-mat material over the plates to protect these as well as fastening some plain webbing+clips on the back if i need to carry a radio.
The M07 is just too big and bulky for me, and i don't really have the MOLLE-mania i guess...

[BlackhawkCY]

actually it has the M10 Body armour system, that's why i'm asking whether or not it is better...

This is the one im talking about:
http://www.nfm.no/Default.aspx?PagId=166

[Lasse]

I think it's an 90% identical rig, but with a quick release system (QRS).
(Count the molle rows, it's the same height (11 inches) on both)

[Arctic1]

That is a different vest from the M/07, and uses a separate armor package (both plates and soft armor). This is the new M/07, and uses the same ballistics as the old one (RENA: http://www.nfm.no/Default.aspx?PagId=168 ):

http://www.nfm.no/Default.aspx?PagId=165

The new vests are pretty nice, and they improved alot of the issues that came with the RENA carrier. Ergonmically compared to the CIRAS I think the new vest is almost equal, although there is alot more room for adjustment on the CIRAS platform.

Are you sure that your soft armor package will fit? With the vest you linked to?

[BlackhawkCY]

the soft armor is inserted by nfm afaik not by the user. When you say almost who is in the lead and why?

[Arctic1]

the soft armor is inserted by nfm afaik not by the user. When you say almost who is in the lead and why?

NFM will not sell body armor, except to the military and domestic military personell. You will be able to buy the carrier itself.

It you are talking about acquisitions for your military, you will probably be able to get a contract for a body armor system tailored to your needs.

After using the CIRAS for quite some time, and on operations in Afghanistan, I would prefer the CIRAS. Like I said, there is more room for adjustments, it is a bit smaller than the NFM vest (a medium CIRAS equals a small NFM vest). The new Trym vest and the Trym QRS are close seconds though.

[BlackhawkCY]

cool thnx for your input

[Sinchi]

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1586/img3571e.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5255/img3558w.jpg

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5366/img3575y.jpg

-Plate Carrier by Pantac
-Some Pouches
-Headlight
-Selfmade Sling to fix weapon
-CRKT ABC Operator Knife
-Mechanix Gloves

Still waiting for the MAP...

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1586/img3571e.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5255/img3558w.jpg

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5366/img3575y.jpg

-Plate Carrier by Pantac
-Some Pouches
-Headlight
-Selfmade Sling to fix weapon
-CRKT ABC Operator Knife
-Mechanix Gloves

Still waiting for the MAP...

Is this an airsoft "loadout"?

[Sinchi]

hm yeah somehow, I actually don't really play airsoft, but I don't use it for realsteel neither....
am I in the wrong section? sorry if yes.

[StuRat]

Is this an airsoft "loadout"?

No need to quote all the pics

*runs*

[Wendigo]

Good day all,
This is my rig
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9771/dsc05827gd1.jpg

It's an HSGI Wasatch in AridCadpat
Pretty straight forward.
2 HSGI Mini-Eod pouches (Carry NVGs gloves light and in the other TCCC medial stuff)
3 grenade pouches
An american "spec ops" cheapie pouch on the chest bib which I use for an admin pouch. (Radio programming instructions, 9 liner)
I had a tailor sew up some bungie mag release thingies instead of the velcro ones the cest comes with.

Here's what I need help with.
I don't really like the HSGI Wasatch/weesatch. I've lied to myself and tried to convince myself how good it was but ultimately I just don't like it. It's just too front heavy. Not being a complete wrap around vest like an eagle job it rides up in the back. I moved my plates from my some bodyarmor to the plate carrier itself and that helped BUT it's still lop sided. Also the "mini" eod pouch is just too big and it moves around too much being placed over the front of the internal mag slots.
I want to buy another chest rig. Whats the going consensus on a good chest rig these days? I'm really leaning towards a TT Mav 2 piece chest rig. I seen a really nice set up. Their very reminiscent to what we (Canadians) used from 1982 to about 2003. I think a TT Mav is also in the new list of possible chest rigs we might get issued too.

Any recommendations? My wife won't let me dump $1600 on that Paraclete super chest rig system I've seen a few places lol
I need to have the capacity for 10 mags, 2 grenades, 1 smoke grenade. A large medical pouch, possibly something that can accommodate a pistol (I hate carrying **** on my thighs) and another pouch for GPS,NVGs surefire and flexcuffs. maybe a gerber mark 2 somewhere on it that looks good in pictures j.k
thanks

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

am I in the wrong section?

Yes..........

[trunk_munkey28]

I want to buy another chest rig. Whats the going consensus on a good chest rig these days? I'm really leaning towards a TT Mav 2 piece chest rig. I seen a really nice set up. Their very reminiscent to what we (Canadians) used from 1982 to about 2003. I think a TT Mav is also in the new list of possible chest rigs we might get issued too.

Any recommendations? My wife won't let me dump $1600 on that Paraclete super chest rig system I've seen a few places lol
I need to have the capacity for 10 mags, 2 grenades, 1 smoke grenade. A large medical pouch, possibly something that can accommodate a pistol (I hate carrying **** on my thighs) and another pouch for GPS,NVGs surefire and flexcuffs. maybe a gerber mark 2 somewhere on it that looks good in pictures j.k
thanks

I run a CPGear KISS rig for Army work, which is pretty much a CADPAT knock off of the 2 piece MAV. Its good to go, easy to put on, wears well over armour, balances nice. I run a triple mage shingle with bungee on the left front, with 2x 9mm pouches and an attachment point for my holster. Further to the left is my Adm pouch, with 2 frag pouches mounted low on the outside. If need be I could get a smoke pouch on the adm pouch too.
On the right side is 2x triple mag pouches up front, then a gap to clear my draw stroke, then mounted at about my 0400 is my IFAK, in an ATS tear away pouch.
It works well for what I do with it. My only specific complaint is that I can't mount my IFAK close to my centersine so I can reach it with either hand, without severely changing where my mags sit. I get around it my mounting a CAT right on the side of the first triple mag pouch, at least I could get at that if my right arm is N/S.


The holster is a G Code from Eagle Industries, and has the MOLLE mount and a dropped offset belt mount, as I too hate having sh!t strapped to my thighs. The IFAK is ATS from One Shot Tactical, and the rest of it is CP Gear. I bought all the stuff from CP Gear as each pouch came on sale, so I managed to build it for cheaper than buying it in one go. Also, CP Gear has come a long way. I would easily put it on par with Tactical Tailor, and I prefer buying Canadian when possible.
All told, less than $400.

[Ipkiss]

Although I'm no fan of chest harnasses maybe I can provide some links you might like:
Uktactical has some versatile ones, however build quality seems to vary now and then. On the other hand, it's relatively cheap
http://www.uktactical.com/acatalog/Warrior_Chest_Rigs.html

or tasmanian tiger has a nice one. No worries about quality issues with them.
http://intranet.tatonka.com/infosys/infocgi/artintt9.dll?7616

You mentioned the front heavyness. I believe in more or lesser ways, this goes for al chest harnasses. Is a plate carrier an option? This would expand your options a lot.
last thing that comes to mind is this:
http://eagleindustries.com/product.php?productid=370&cat=49&page=1
If you combine this with a bladder pouch you might be able to balance the weight

Hope this helps a bit..

[Aibeethoven]

Hey Wendigo,
Here are some things I've posted, maybe you've seen them already..

I doubted between the Wasatch and the TT MkII, but I'm going for the TT.
http://www.hsgi.us/prodimages/WAS150.jpghttp://intranet.tatonka.com/infosys/bilder/250/7616036A.jpg

Some pix of my TT chestrig.
The rig holds 8 M4 magazines, but there are only 4 on the picture. I have the Ghost holster which I can mount on a dropleg platform also.

http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae124/Aibeethoven/TasmanianTiger2.jpg

http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae124/Aibeethoven/TasmanianTiger1.jpg

I'm now buying an plate carrier from Flyye Industries. I'm getting rid of the TT chest rig. I have to say the Ipkiss is right and a chest rig is likely to have al the weight in front....

Hope it helps you. I have the same money issues with my girl... ;)

[Greek soldier]

Hey Wendigo,
Here are some things I've posted, maybe you've seen them already..



I'm now buying an plate carrier from Flyye Industries. I'm getting rid of the TT chest rig. I have to say the Ipkiss is right and a chest rig is likely to have al the weight in front....


If you carry a ballistic plate (ca. 3.3 kg), some 12 mags (with additional mag pouches) etc. you'll need a backpack to balance the weight.

[Ipkiss]

If you carry a ballistic plate (ca. 3.3 kg), some 12 mags (with additional mag pouches) etc. you'll need a backpack to balance the weight.

Or at least a bladder with 2-3 liters of water.

[Sloppy Joe2]

does anyone have experience or comments on the Blackhawk LRAK?

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/1964/14194853.jpg (http://img690.imageshack.us/i/14194853.jpg/)
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8126/65793545.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/65793545.jpg/)
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7329/94405646.jpg (http://img690.imageshack.us/i/94405646.jpg/)
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5470/30787680.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/i/30787680.jpg/)
• Four M-16/M4 magazine pouches (each holds 3 magazines)
• Two radio pouches (2 M-16 pouches double as radio pouches)
• Two large utility pouches (hold 200 rds M-60 / SAW box, NVGs, etc.)
• Two pop flare pouches
• Two 1qt canteen pouches w/mesh bottoms
• One enhanced butt pack
• Elastic retention strap for fins or slung rifle
• Strobe/compass pouch
• Gunners tool pouch (knife, multi-tool, etc.)
• Flashlight Pouch

I had one of my Sgt's from my old Platoon who just recently used this in A-stan and he said he loved it, anyone else use it?

[Catch22]

It's a copy of LBT 1195 series which itself is americanized Israeli A-10 Ephod beltkit type webbing offspring. The thing is optimized for waterborne ops/foot patrols - works esp well as a platform for belt-fed weapons as you can place the large ammo pouches more conveniently than in typical TAC-V/LBV or chestrig layout. You may have less positive experiences when using it off vehicles as it is rather bulky, so better consider a chestrig fo that task. Assuming you'd need to wear that with some ballistic protection, my advice would be to get yourself an alternative neat low profile armor carrier, such as a one James once reccommended to wear under it (it was Beez Combat Systems if I remember well), as it wont work too well with more bulky modular armor carriers not to mention integrated vests. Hope this helps.

[Sloppy Joe2]

It's a copy of LBT 1195 series which itself is americanized Israeli A-10 Ephod beltkit type webbing offspring. The thing is optimized for waterborne ops/foot patrols - works esp well as a platform for belt-fed weapons as you can place the large ammo pouches more conveniently than in typical TAC-V/LBV or chestrig layout. You may have less positive experiences when using it off vehicles as it is rather bulky, so better consider a chestrig fo that task. Assuming you'd need to wear that with some ballistic protection, my advice would be to get yourself an alternative neat low profile armor carrier, such as a one James once reccommended to wear under it (it was Beez Combat Systems if I remember well), as it wont work too well with more bulky modular armor carriers not to mention integrated vests. Hope this helps.appreciate the insight, i would be wearing the U.S Army OTV Body Armor unless my unit is real cool.

[Catch22]

Then I wouldn't expect that to fit too well over IBA/IOTV (the padded belt's too wide, as it was supposed to sit over your hips/low waist), not to mention the pita with getting it all on and fastened - see if you'd be allowed to wear an alternate carrier for the OTV soft ballistic and plates, or look for something better fitting over OTV - as I mentioned various chestrigs seem to be popular choice. It may, just may work better with a high riding Plate Carrier, but as you mentioned - it may depend on if you get the KDH thingy (which is another story itself) or not. Look into these carriers as and option if you are considering the LRAK http://www.beezcombatsystems.bigcartel.com/category/bcs-i-iotv-interceptor-carriers

[ARk]

Excuses me if I write in the wrong place:oops:
Please someone can say me that type of set up has the person to right.
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/8999/48404.jpg (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/48404.jpg/)
I do not understand if it has something similar one to a FLC worn over to the IBA:-|:roll:

[Bisley_Bob]

It looks like he has put MOLLE pouches directly onto his body armour.

[Aibeethoven]

The holster looks like this one from IMI defence

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I know the Spec Ops brand has a medic pouch with a red webbing strap.

107120
It also looks like he has his MBITR radio in a magazine pouch.

[Catch22]

Its a SERPA holster from Blackhawk FFS!

[Pappy]

What it looks like is my Battalion Commander last deployment. Good freakin' guy.

And no, there is no FLC. Bisley_bob is right.

[Wendigo]

Looks like an officer speaking to an SNCO

[Wendigo]

Although I'm no fan of chest harnasses maybe I can provide some links you might like:
Uktactical has some versatile ones, however build quality seems to vary now and then. On the other hand, it's relatively cheap
http://www.uktactical.com/acatalog/Warrior_Chest_Rigs.html

or tasmanian tiger has a nice one. No worries about quality issues with them.
http://intranet.tatonka.com/infosys/infocgi/artintt9.dll?7616

You mentioned the front heavyness. I believe in more or lesser ways, this goes for al chest harnasses. Is a plate carrier an option? This would expand your options a lot.
last thing that comes to mind is this:
http://eagleindustries.com/product.php?productid=370&cat=49&page=1
If you combine this with a bladder pouch you might be able to balance the weight

Hope this helps a bit..

I'm not sure if you're Canadian or not?
For the sake of argument I'll assume you're not.

In Canada we have a habit of telling our soldiers if they use non-issued kit they will NOT be covered by insurance upon injury of death. This is not true. Members have spoken directly with our insurance dudes and asked them and they have said "It doesn matter what you wear, you pay for insurance so you get insurance." You're covered upon death or injury if you're driving to work in Petawawa or if you killed overseas. IF overseas and you get hurt or killed naked in sure shower you are just as covered as if you were wearing your full fighting gear"

Our leadership tells the troops they are NOT covered as an excuse to justify not wearing after-market gear.
"Why the hell can't I wear it if it's 10 times better?"
'Uhhh because your wife and children won't get life insurance if you die! Ya thatis it, it's not we don't have a better answer".

Our Canadian issue body armor has slots for our plates. We CAN put plates in plate carries (Which I agree totally helps with balance issue) but it's a constant headache from the chain of command who order not to.

As for balancing chest rigs that are front heavy- putting plates in or a camelbak will help with balance but rigs that have internal magazines like the Wasatch make anything you put on the front kinda wobbly. Pockets are less cure and floppy because of the internal slots, even on the side.

[Ipkiss]

No I'm not Canadian, but my grandfather was liberated by them in somewhere around 1945 ;-)

You're absolutely right about the higher desktop officers telling everyone they cannot buy their own gear, and perhaps they should. For me personally, I couldn't care less and I'm an officer too. If it works and it's more or less the same camouflage (we use DPM) it's totally fine with me. I recently bought a CIRAS since I discovered on my last tour our issued vest is not the best solution. And I NEVER want to have the experience again where I find out in a combat zone that my gear isn't working. And I'll be very glad to tell any general or whatever why I bought and what HE should do to make sure everybody else get's better stuff too.
That being said, the Dutch MOD is working to improve our gear constantly, but 1. they lack funds and 2. they can never keep up with the market.

6 years ago we (tankers) couldn't wear drop leg holsters but did anyway, (too much high-speed factor) now we get them issued
6 years ago we couldn't wear shemaghs (but did anyway), now they're issued
6 years ago we couldn't wear sleeka jackes (but did anyway), now they're issued
see where this is going? Therefore I really can't be bothered. If I think I need it, I'll buy it. When I set one foot outside the fence nobody will care anymore.
I believe there are smarter ways for higher officiers to deal with these issues, just saying "no" is quick but that doesn't take away the problem. It's just ignorance.

[Vince S]

Thought I'd post that here.

Remember all that fuss years ago about the Dragonskin armor? How every airsofter was wanking to the mere thought of touching this absolutely amazing armor presented by The Mac himself on Discovery??

Well you can now own this piece of awsomeness for... *drum rolls*

60$!!!!!!

Here (http://cgi.ebay.com/DRAGON-SKIN-SOV-2000-Tactical-BODY-ARMOR-CARRIER-VEST_W0QQitemZ310198024987QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item48393e3b1b)

I had a good lulz


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[click]

Thats for the carrier only

[Vince S]

Yeah but still funny no?

[click]

Yes. Still quite humorous. :D

[Catch22]

Well, thats surely ironic, besides its a really crappy carrier.

[RHALLOO]

I'm a collector of every sort of military gear, but there is one quesion I have. Where can I get NL pattern Chest Rigs? I've been looking for them for a while, but I can't find anything. Could somebody help me?

Luca

[flanker7]

Do you mean like the Arktis NL Rig? If so, at Arktis :-)

[RHALLOO]

I mean ones like this: http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/camouflage/equipment/image/arktis_rig.jpg. Just NL pattern.

[scttgillies]

That just looks like a bog standard 42 pattern artkis chest rig in OG. Had one about 18 years ago. try some of the online surplus stores.

[flanker7]

I thought that "NL Rig" is the "Nore Loose Rig" or something like that. That above is a classic chest rig and I guess you could find UK issue ones at e-bay or surplus stores

[RHALLOO]

I know that there are some of the Arktis Classics in NL pattern.
Thanks guys

[FireNL]

Try www.noorloos-se.com, contact him, he sells stuff from arktis. If not, go to a local dump store.

[jsb]

I think I know what he means. Around 1994 1998 there was a Dutch army chestrig with Dutch nsn[17] I have one lying around .
They are a bit rare they where only given to the KCT .
jeroen

[Wendigo]

6 years ago we (tankers) couldn't wear drop leg holsters but did anyway, (too much high-speed factor) now we get them issued
6 years ago we couldn't wear shemaghs (but did anyway), now they're issued
6 years ago we couldn't wear sleeka jackes (but did anyway), now they're issued
see where this is going? Therefore I really can't be bothered. If I think I need it, I'll buy it. When I set one foot outside the fence nobody will care anymore.
I believe there are smarter ways for higher officiers to deal with these issues, just saying "no" is quick but that doesn't take away the problem. It's just ignorance.

Yup!
I'll play one up ;)
We were told to take our pistols off while on base because the higher officers didn't want non-officers being mistaken for officers
and
We were ordered not to wear the sleeka jackets with our civilian clothes. The ones you buy at the British PX... I guess someone somewhere wasn't told that it wasn't an issued jacket (to us anyways).

[jsb]

This Is the only Original Dutch army chestrig.There are others used NOT with a nsn.
The marines also used a rig I will put pictures later.
jeroen

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[RHALLOO]

Yes I think the one I search for is the one which was used by the marines.

[greenbean giant]

Can anyone please tell me what vest/plate carrier this SOF operator is wearing?
http://www.afsoc.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/090303-F-1511R-002.JPG

[Peanut]

You'll need a conversion kit for BDP pants. I wouldn't do it myself, find a local BDP shaman.

[greenbean giant]

what in name of all that is holy, is a A BDP conversion kit?

[greenbean giant]

http://www.afsoc.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/090303-F-1511R-001.JPGhttp://www.afsoc.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/090303-F-1511R-001.JPG
HELL, what about this one, same guy i think

[BLUE THOR]

You'll need a conversion kit for BDP pants. I wouldn't do it myself, find a local BDP shaman.
HAAHAHAHAHAHAHA, BLOODY BRILLIANT!!! wish I had of thought of that, was looking for something witty, but won't top that.

welcome to the the forum, you poor bugger.
no idea on the rig. have fun with that.

[greenbean giant]

ya ya well new to this stuff haha, but the bottom line is, does anyone know?

[greenbean giant]

CAN anyone tell me what Vest/plate carrier this SOF opperator is wearing?

[Derfel]

It's the sort of question that's frowned upon here. The reasoning being,

Why do you want to know?

Do you need one? besides the picture isn't very clear

Could be blackhawk, SOCOm, or a number of other brands, doesn't matter does it?

[greenbean giant]

i wanted to know because i wanted to get one

[Derfel]

Ok fair enough, it's the reason why you wanted to get one that's sort of the issue.
There's been a few people here who don't need these sort of stuff being very adamant about wanting them, and many of the BTDTs here who know or actually use them just think that it's a waste of time and money

But like I said, do you have a clearer picture of the vest in question?

[Catch22]

Its either LBT or Eagle carrier - they're basically the same construction so each will be fine. Here you go:

http://www.londonbridgetrading.com/specsheets/Fact_Sheet_Personal_Protection_LBT-6094A.pdf

Pouches on it seem to be from several manufaturers.

[greenbean giant]

This is probably the best its gonna get for any other pics

[BLUE THOR]

I'll save everyone the hassle. Eagle Industries plate carrier, google that, took me all of 3 minutes, just wrote plate carrier in and rolled from there..... its as close as you'll get based on those piss poor pictures.
Enjoy looking SF. hope your credit card forgives you soon p-)
if you want the exact pouches youre going to have a bit of a hard time, Are you Military or "enthusiast"?
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[Catch22]

Sorry BT its another model - its like the with BDP's - only the specially trained personnel can spot them among hundred other similiarly looking trousers.

[BLUE THOR]

I see where I went wrong, where can I buy BDP's?

[Catch22]

Search Vertx its as close as it gets to the real thing

[xiso]

From this pictures it could be anything.
But i would say its a EI RAV. Just my idea, maybe the next one will throw me out the window for that.

[18SASS]

Search Vertx its as close as it gets to the real thing

timberland have a expedition pant that looks just like the BDPs. Same color, pockets, the whole 9y. Made in Sri Lanka = good stitching...

[CQB_Operator]

the mag pouches are tactical tailor, but the vest...

[KEEPER0311]

Why start another thread on the same subject. If you didn't like the answer you got in the Equipment section go do some searching of your own.

****ing airsofters.

[dacanadianbomb]

I have a sufrefire hint for you, Eagle PC with CB , but to be sure, pm "Macs"
He will be able to help you out.

[GG]

Search Vertx its as close as it gets to the real thing

That's not really fair to Vertx.