Get over it

[Dominique]

OK people, I'll start off by stating that 1) I didn't vote for President Obama, 2) I don't agree with many of his economic or defense policies, 3) but no matter what, he is the LEGALLY ELECTED LEADER OF THE U.S. (And don't start with the he's yet to produce a birth certificate crap). It's fine that you may or may not like the fact he's President, it's fine to have a problem with the way you think he's running the country (or running it into the ground), but all of the crying, whining, and finger pointing every time he so much as farts is getting ridiculous.

Every day, there's a new Obama uses salad fork to eat main course, or Obama looks right, when he should have looked left: U.S. IS DOOOOMED!!!!!! thread. Get the phuck over it, and grow up. I find it amazing how many pages are posted about "him" giving a freaking Ipod, or some damn DVDs to a foreign leader, but when asked to respond, with an informed answer (and by that I don't mean dig up info from conspiracy nut.com), about a specific point, many of the same people crying, are left dumbfounded. If you've got a legitimate beef, post away, and do it in an intelligent manner. Sit down, do some actual research, and try to articulate why you think he's doing a bad job, not just OBH/Hussain Obama is a closet terrorist/Muslim, or because he's a Democrat, etc. etc. All you do is make yourselves look like idiots.

Most of you sound like nothing more than bitter old cranks holed up in your basement, waiting for him to either drop dead, or leave office. He hasn't been in office for six months, and people are crying HE'S THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER!!!!! Get real people, even a broken clock is right twice a day. While I don't agree with a lot of his politics, I'm at least willing to give him a chance to do something before I condemn him.

[wagon]

Ah... yep.

[Chulo]

True, but yet at the same time, that is all the news we get from the "main" "news" agencies. It seems like there is no other news but "Him"

[Dominique]

True, but yet at the same time, that is all the news we get from the "main" "news" agencies. It seems like there is no other news but "Him"

Chulo, quite frankly, that's BS, and sounds like nothing for than a cop out. There's plenty of ligit news, if you choose to look for it. You're going to have to do better than that.

[California Joe]

I watch the news and I don't even see half of the bullsh*t stories posted here.

"Obama's a pussy for not killing the pirates quick enough."

"Oh look, the Navy killed the pirates, they probably didn't bother to tell Obama before they did it."

"Who does he think he is OKing military action, he was never in the military."

:roll:

[Soldat_Américain]

On point Dom, good stuff.

[Aerosoul]

Agreed for the most part.

At the same time I find it funny how some others are giving Obama credit for the rescue today and other things - when he as f*ck all to do with it.

EVERYONE needs to get over "it."

[California Joe]

Of course he was in the frigging loop. He was probably briefed on what assets were available and who would be handling it and told them to handle it. WTF? that's what the President does.

[bd popeye]

I generally do not respond to political threads. But I shall make an exception.

I also did not vote for Pres. Obama. And I agree with Dom..get over yourselves..the man was the lawfully elected president...simple.

I'm out.

[SilentType]

First Amendment.

Obama is not King.

Legislative Branch has more power under the Constitution than the Executive.

Representatives in our Congress should know what the people think of Obama's policies.

You can try to call it whinning or complain about it all you want, but if Obama continues to cut defense spending, continues to increase the national debt through socialist entitlement programs, and continues to take a soft approach to nuclear proliferation and terrorism I'm going to keep being critical of him in a forum entitled "Political Discussions and Rants."

If it really bothers you than might I suggest you view the other fine forums here like "Strictly Photos and Video" or the gear discussion threads. Might help.

[California Joe]

First Amendment.

Obama is not King.

Legislative Branch has more power under the Constitution than the Executive.

Representatives of our Congress should know what the people think of Obama's policies.

You can try to call it whinning or complain about it all you want, but if Obama continues to cut defense spending, continues to increase the national debt through socialist entitlement programs, and continues to take a soft approach to nuclear proliferation and terrorism I'm going to keep being critical of him in a forum entitled "Political Discussions and Rants."

And the Legislative Branch is a bigger bunch of ****heads than Obama ever thought of being.

Defense spending always increases, just not as much as some people would like so they call them cuts, John McCain had a far larger hit list than Obama ever will.

I agree about the national debt, but at what point do people think we're going to have to pay back China? Were you just as critical of the previous administration?

How is he soft on terrorism? He hasn't had time to be hard or soft yet. He's opened up the possibility of using diplomacy instead of inflammatory rhetoric, much to the delight of our allies. I don't see that as soft but smart. You can still smile and be diplomatic right up until the Tomahawk hits. They aren't mutually exclusive.

[plato]

First Amendment.

Obama is not King.

Legislative Branch has more power under the Constitution than the Executive.

Representatives in our Congress should know what the people think of Obama's policies.

You can try to call it whinning or complain about it all you want, but if Obama continues to cut defense spending, continues to increase the national debt through socialist entitlement programs, and continues to take a soft approach to nuclear proliferation and terrorism I'm going to keep being critical of him in a forum entitled "Political Discussions and Rants."

If it really bothers you than might I suggest you view the other fine forums here like "Strictly Photos and Video" or the gear discussion threads. Might help.


When, where, how?

[WarDancer]

And the Legislative Branch is a bigger bunch of ****heads than Obama ever thought of being.

Defense spending always increases, just not as much as some people would like so they call them cuts, John McCain had a far larger hit list than Obama ever will.

I agree about the national debt, but at what point do people think we're going to have to pay back China? Were you just as critical of the previous administration?

How is he soft on terrorism? He hasn't had time to be hard or soft yet. He's opened up the possibility of using diplomacy instead of inflammatory rhetoric, much to the delight of our allies. I don't see that as soft but smart. You can still smile and be diplomatic right up until the Tomahawk hits. They aren't mutually exclusive.

That kool-aid must be some damn potent stuff!

[Hollis]

Partisan politics at it's finest, after 8 years of GW bashing I am ready for a change. But I guess some things never change. In 4 or 8 years from now, it will be some other person in the barrel.

[LineDoggie]

After 8 years of Bush being criticized fairly and unfairly, to think that with the shoe on the other foot posters arent going to point out Obamas Faux Pas is Naive at the least.

[Fargin]

I certainly celebrated Obama's victory, but this is this is Political Discussions and Rants. This is a political pigsti or octagon cage. I don't recall people pulled their punches against President Bush and all these crazy attempts to portrait Obama as this and that, speak for themselves. Some criticism is legit, some accusations are terminally retarded.

Some of us have been whining about Dubia for eight years now, it's a tad too early for a time-out.

[szr]

For whatever reason I always feel obligated to defend our President in dialogue, particularly in dialogue with foreigners, no matter what I personally think of him and his policies. That sense of obligation increases as the popularity of our President decreases. President Obama has been welcome respite in that because he's already got so many followers ready to advocate for him anywhere his message and policies are challenged, I feel no obligation to advocate on his behalf.

[California Joe]

That kool-aid must be some damn potent stuff!

Brilliant assessment there genius.

How is what I said indicative of Kool Aid consumption? I'm not sure anything I said could be characterized as liberal or conservative? Only realistic.

[Aerosoul]

You're the last person I would have said is drinking any kind of political kool aid, lol.

[JKD]

After voting for Bush in 2000 it took me the majority of his 1st term to start having serious doubts and into his 2nd before I came to the firm conclusion that he was a disaster.

Obama hasn't been in office 2 months. He's still got plenty of time to succeed or fail. I'm willing to give him a chance, just as I did with his predecessor.

I'm all for legitimate criticism and for taking a critical eye to our elected officials. But there are some folks who aren't going to like him no matter what and who's minds were made up before he was even sworn in. There always are.

[Hollis]

After 8 years of Bush being criticized fairly and unfairly, to think that with the shoe on the other foot posters arent going to point out Obamas Faux Pas is Naive at the least.


It would be nice if people chose the high road instead of wallowing in the cesspool of partisan politics , but instead, some things never seems to change.

[khukuri]

After 8 years of Bush being criticized fairly and unfairly, to think that with the shoe on the other foot posters arent going to point out Obamas Faux Pas is Naive at the least.

One thing criticising people for their political decision another thing posting a thread about obama buying a dog, jumping over a fence, saying I want a sand which. etc

Its very clear that the right is disgruntled with all the bad press bush got and now trying to replicating the same thing with obama but by posting any thing that could maybe potentially be slightly negative, even the most ridiculous stuff. Sure fire away when there is real issues, which there is, but a lot of the threads here are ridicilous.

[Alpheus]

It would be nice if people chose the high road instead of wallowing in the cesspool of partisan politics , but instead, some things never seems to change.

What high road? Not criticizing him just because he's the President? That's not the high road, that's just lazy and stupid.

Isn't dissent patriotic anymore?

[Aerosoul]

Isn't dissent patriotic anymore?
When it is logical and intelligent, sure.
That is often not the case, though.

[SilentType]

After voting for Bush in 2000 it took me the majority of his 1st term to start having serious doubts and into his 2nd before I came to the firm conclusion that he was a disaster.

Obama hasn't been in office 2 months. He's still got plenty of time to succeed or fail. I'm willing to give him a chance, just as I did with his predecessor.

I'm all for legitimate criticism and for taking a critical eye to our elected officials. But there are some folks who aren't going to like him no matter what and who's minds were made up before he was even sworn in. There always are.

Yes, but by the White House's own measure they have done more in those two months than any other President in history in terms of their agenda. He's certainly not taking the slow-road and as a result the critical comments are coming a little early.

Now if Obama had, whether it would have been right or wrong or even smart, sat back and taken things more slowly then you would be right that critical comments this early into his term would be a bit too premature.

[California Joe]

What high road? Not criticizing him just because he's the President? That's not the high road, that's just lazy and stupid.

Isn't dissent patriotic anymore?

Oh please, are you trying to be obtuse on purpose?

[PeterRJG]

What high road? Not criticizing him just because he's the President? That's not the high road, that's just lazy and stupid.

Isn't dissent patriotic anymore?

It started to become unpatriotic under the 43rd President. No fault of said president, but it was the prevailing zeitgeist. It was certainly the feeling I got living in the US from when Bush Jr. was elected until I left in 2004.

[LineDoggie]

One thing criticising people for their political decision another thing posting a thread about obama buying a dog, jumping over a fence, saying I want a sand which. etc



Oh and I'm sure you never laughed at Bush with "Nuc-u-ler" or any of the other non-political issues, right? :roll:

Frankly, there is more than enough to criticize the hell out of Obama for. His Putting this country into a debt of Mammoth Proportions using his congressional minions being among the best. All the whining about how Bush was spending like a drunken Sailor are suddenly quiet.

But I do love watching the Whining from the left about how this is suddenly Unfair, Un-American, to engage in.

It seems Dissent was Patriotic until Nov. 2008 when it became Heresy

[SilentType]

And the Legislative Branch is a bigger bunch of ****heads than Obama ever thought of being.

Defense spending always increases, just not as much as some people would like so they call them cuts, John McCain had a far larger hit list than Obama ever will.

I agree about the national debt, but at what point do people think we're going to have to pay back China? Were you just as critical of the previous administration?

How is he soft on terrorism? He hasn't had time to be hard or soft yet. He's opened up the possibility of using diplomacy instead of inflammatory rhetoric, much to the delight of our allies. I don't see that as soft but smart. You can still smile and be diplomatic right up until the Tomahawk hits. They aren't mutually exclusive.

Regardless of what genital the Congress may resemble to you and me I think it is still important that the people make known their opinions to them and the freedom of speech is an important vehicle to achieving that.

Point of fact, defense spending is not increasing at least not under President Obama's FY2010 Defense Budget. He is making a 10% cut to overall military spending. This includes the F-22, C-17, FCS MGV, Boeing Airborn Laser Platform, additional missile for missile defense all of which will be cut completely. Whether you agree with that or not doesn't change the fact that the DOD budget will be cut by 10% in FY2010 if the Congress passes President Obama's budget "as is."

Again important to have the Congress know where the American people stand and it's important to share information with eachother on these issues.

We will not have to pay back debt Joe. Obviously the Chinese are not going to come take a judicial lien on the White House. What will happen though is that the loans that are made to the U.S. will come with higher and higher interest rates and the value of the dollar against other currency will drop even more. That is bad.

You may disagree, but I think it is being soft on terrorism when you announce that Gitmo will be closed without announcing how you will deal with terrorists short of a full blown "reasonable doubt" U.S. Judicial Court due process. I also think you're being soft on terrorism when you appoint a Secretary of Homeland Security who "softens" rhetoric and frankly has no law enforcement, intelligence, or military experience. I think you're being soft on terrorism when you appoint an Attorney General who was active in obtaining pardons for terrorists while Deputy Attorney General under President Clinton after the first WTC attack. I think it's being soft on terrorism when your "simulus" budget includes billions in pork and less than $1 Billion for Homeland Security. I could go on and on and on.

I am no fan of John McCain's politics. We could bash Bush here, but isn't there a "history" forum here that would be best for that? President Obama is the President. He's made it a point to move very quickly and be very active early into his term and therefore I think it's reasonable to see the level of critical statements here be pretty high.

[budgie]

You can try to call it whinning or complain about it all you want, but if Obama continues to cut defense spending, continues to increase the national debt through socialist entitlement programs, and continues to take a soft approach to nuclear proliferation and terrorism I'm going to keep being critical of him in a forum entitled "Political Discussions and Rants."

If it really bothers you than might I suggest you view the other fine forums here like "Strictly Photos and Video" or the gear discussion threads. Might help.

Dude you didn't read Dominique's post closely. There's nothing wrong with 'whining' about that stuff, I wouldn't even call it whining. It's the petty stuff and this 'Hussein' crap that goes with it. Fire away if you're not happy with his policies. That shouldn't bother anyone.


Brilliant assessment there genius.

How is what I said indicative of Kool Aid consumption? I'm not sure anything I said could be characterized as liberal or conservative? Only realistic.

CJ there really is no realism with some of these guys. You're either 'conservative' or 'liberal'; "with us or against us"...there's no room for pragmatism or the middle road anymore.

[Alpheus]

When it is logical and intelligent, sure.
That is often not the case, though.

I agree, some arguments about Obama, like that birth certificate nonsense, are just plain stupid.
Let take a look at thee latest threads about Obama in PD&R.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/search.php?searchid=2647813

Of those first 25 results, I see 1 repost and maybe 2 or 3 dumb threads.

I hardly think there is an epidemic of "omg barack HUSSEIN obama is a commie" posts going on. For the most part, I see the discussions are about his policies and whatnot. If Bush had given the Queen an iPod, would there have been a big fuss? Of course there would've. Or aren't we allowed to talk about it when is nominees drop out because of tax problems?

He's taking the US in a very different direction, and alot of folks don't like what he's doing. Is it that hard to ignore the morons making a fuss over Michelle Obama's eyelashes?

[Izmirlian]

Personally I think the FY2010 10% budget cuts are a great move, economically, politically, and militarily. I don't think this is being soft on terrorism. But I could be wrong. But I don't think I am.

But yeah I agree with Joe's original point that people who obsessively need to find something to put Obama down for need to 'get over it'.

[PeterRJG]

CJ there really is no realism with some of these guys. You're either 'conservative' or 'liberal'; "with us or against us"...there's no room for pragmatism or the middle road anymore.

Bingo. What happened to the ability to be able to see things in colours other than black and white? The world isn't divided into liberals and conservatives, and neither should America.

[California Joe]

Oh and I'm sure you never laughed at Bush with "Nuc-u-ler" or any of the other non-political issues, right? :roll:

Frankly, there is more than enough to criticize the hell out of Obama for. His Putting this country into a debt of Mammoth Proportions using his congressional minions being among the best. All the whining about how Bush was spending like a drunken Sailor are suddenly quiet.

But I do love watching the Whining from the left about how this is suddenly Unfair, Un-American, to engage in.

It seems Dissent was Patriotic until Nov. 2008 when it became Heresy


I love "New-Q-ler" that always cracked me up. The whole Obama bowing or not stuff is about par for that, worth a chuckle.

The country was seriously in debt before he took office. I am seriously wary of these monster spending clusterf*cks. I don't really know that a different administration would have spent less to avoid armageddon, they probably would have spent it in different ways but it'd still get spent.

I don't think Nancy Pelosi is anyones minion. Except maybe Satan.

The Left has always tried to shout down opposition. They are ridiculous in that way. The Right used to just make people quietly dissapear. :)

[CG51]

He has at least four years to catch up to the negativity that has been posted here about Dubya. Guess you missed most of those posts over the years.

[California Joe]

Regardless of what genital the Congress may resemble to you and me I think it is still important that the people make known their opinions to them and the freedom of speech is an important vehicle to achieving that.

Point of fact, defense spending is not increasing at least not under President Obama's FY2010 Defense Budget. He is making a 10% cut to overall military spending. This includes the F-22, C-17, FCS MGV, Boeing Airborn Laser Platform, additional missile for missile defense all of which will be cut completely. Whether you agree with that or not doesn't change the fact that the DOD budget will be cut by 10% in FY2010 if the Congress passes President Obama's budget "as is."

Again important to have the Congress know where the American people stand and it's important to share information with eachother on these issues.

We will not have to pay back debt Joe. Obviously the Chinese are not going to come take a judicial lien on the White House. What will happen though is that the loans that are made to the U.S. will come with higher and higher interest rates and the value of the dollar against other currency will drop even more. That is bad.

You may disagree, but I think it is being soft on terrorism when you announce that Gitmo will be closed without announcing how you will deal with terrorists short of a full blown "reasonable doubt" U.S. Judicial Court due process. I also think you're being soft on terrorism when you appoint a Secretary of Homeland Security who "softens" rhetoric and frankly has no law enforcement, intelligence, or military experience. I think you're being soft on terrorism when you appoint an Attorney General who was active in obtaining pardons for terrorists while Deputy Attorney General under President Clinton after the first WTC attack. I think it's being soft on terrorism when your "simulus" budget includes billions in pork and less than $1 Billion for Homeland Security. I could go on and on and on.

I am no fan of John McCain's politics. We could bash Bush here, but isn't there a "history" forum here that would be best for that? President Obama is the President. He's made it a point to move very quickly and be very active early into his term and therefore I think it's reasonable to see the level of critical statements here be pretty high.

Now that's some good criticism right there. :)

I completely agree about voicing critical opinions to Congress.

Would you agree that defense spending is traditionally as bloated as any other pork laden part of our government and that it could probably use some hard cuts and they'd still have the dough to get the troops on the ground what they need? I think that's possible.

I'm thinking that he's following through on some of his campaign promises with things like Gitmo. Whether I agree with them or not...There are a great many people that think what happened there is the beginnings of a slippery slope that may eventually bite us regular citizens in the ass.

[KB]

I watch the news and I don't even see half of the bullsh*t stories posted here.

"Obama's a pussy for not killing the pirates quick enough."

"Oh look, the Navy killed the pirates, they probably didn't bother to tell Obama before they did it."

"Who does he think he is OKing military action, he was never in the military."

:roll:

Thank you for that post.

[Hollis]

When it is logical and intelligent, sure.
That is often not the case, though.


Well said, partisan politics is never either of those two.

[Izmirlian]

He has at least four years to catch up to the negativity that has been posted here about Dubya. Guess you missed most of those posts over the years.

this is kind of irrelevant. First off we should never want to repeat the mean spirited and childish mocking of our previous President just for the sake of getting even.

In the same breath, let's not forget that George W. Bush wholly endorsed Obama at the end as being what America needed.

[SilentType]

Personally I think the FY2010 10% budget cuts are a great move, economically, politically, and militarily. I don't think this is being soft on terrorism. But I could be wrong. But I don't think I am.

But yeah I agree with Joe's original point that people who obsessively need to find something to put Obama down for need to 'get over it'.

Well, it's not really for economic reasons now is it? I mean he's already signed into law more federal spending than all of the Presidents before him combined.

For every dollar you spend on Defense you increase the GDP, because the F-22, C-17, and so forth are all made in America. If he was slashing the Federal government's spending then I could say "yeah cutting defense spending makes sense," but when he's increasing spending and doing nothing to decrease the mandatory spending Social Security (more than we spend on Defense), Medicare and Medicaid (more than we spend on Defense), and talking about national healthcare the argument that the cutting defense is being done for sound "economic" reasons kind of sounds a bit like...well, bull****.

I mean we'll have spent $100 Billion more in 2009 on Social Security than we did in 2008. At some point something's got to give and I don't think defense spending is the place to best get the axe.

Between 1993 and 2001 Clinton cut Defense and Intelligence Spending by more than 30% and nine months after Clinton left office and into his fiscal year budget we were attacked by terrorists losing thousands of lives. Forgive me if I'm a bit cautious about defense cuts again right now. Before President Bush had his DOD budget for 2010 approved we had a serious lack of many significant items like body armor.

[Dominique]

First Amendment.

Obama is not King.

Legislative Branch has more power under the Constitution than the Executive.

Representatives in our Congress should know what the people think of Obama's policies.

You can try to call it whinning or complain about it all you want, but if Obama continues to cut defense spending, continues to increase the national debt through socialist entitlement programs, and continues to take a soft approach to nuclear proliferation and terrorism I'm going to keep being critical of him in a forum entitled "Political Discussions and Rants."

If it really bothers you than might I suggest you view the other fine forums here like "Strictly Photos and Video" or the gear discussion threads. Might help.

Where did I say Obama was king? And as I said, I don't give a rat's fat hairy ass if you want to post a complaint, but the whining about every freaking thing he does is juvenile. If you feel he's "soft" on an issue, show me exactly why you feel that way. That's all I'm asking. I want people to stop with Micky Mouse BS, and actually focus on some serious issues, like national defense, crime, the economy, and not BS like what type of gifts his staff is picking out.

[Dominique]

After 8 years of Bush being criticized fairly and unfairly, to think that with the shoe on the other foot posters arent going to point out Obamas Faux Pas is Naive at the least.

When GW was in office, I said the same thing I said about President Obama. When ever people posted the various conspiracy, nut job, George bush is the Anti-Christ, etc. threads, I'd respond and ask them to either put up, or shut-up, and if they couldn't, then quit crying and get over it, move on, and vote for someone they liked better.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Meh. This is still politics, so let's not confuse things by suddenly demanding responsible and reasonable discourse from people. For every idiot still talking about birth certificates and madrasas, there are two still talking about hope and change as valid implementable policies. For every person who will point to the hostage rescue as something that could have been rectified in 15 minutes by 3 mall cops, there will be two who will claim Obama's unique cultural heritage allowed him to plan it all out on his iPhone.

Gosh darn it, there has to be a balance - we cannot allow a douchebaggery gap. So I'm all for pointing out every misstep he makes, as long as it's based in reality. We've put up with 8 years of stolen elections, disenfranchisement, illegal wars, CIA "outings" and Rathergates - all this Obama stuff just seems like par for the course.

[Dominique]

That kool-aid must be some damn potent stuff!

I see Wardancer has come out of his tinfoil coated bunker, to post another of his well thought out replies.

[shocker1]

I will say my piece. I have noticed a knee jerk reaction to any criticism of Obama, by the same ass hats that slobbered over every Bushy screw up. I find it very childish, we all know politics is rough and tumble. I have seen ignorance from his critics as well however criticism is good. It was good for Bush and good for Obama. If it is loud enough it does nudge policy sometimes. Many of his supporters seem to be dismissive of all criticism. Even resorting to childish posting of dumb ass photos and cut downs insulting those who hold a different view. Not unlike the so called far right they whined about for 8 years. Suck it up lefty, you have all the cards. It goes with that position.

So I disagree with Dom's assessment of things. He is President, in the end I do agree we all must support the President. That does not mean I must agree with him or silence my opinion. You folks pulling out the racist card for people who disagree with Obama, well words escape me for you at the moment. I guess Get Over It applies in a mild way. I disagree with 99.9% of Obama's policies. Disagreed with about 80% of Bush's so I am never happy I guess. We are not going to be with the "other" guy in office. Only when our guy is in or the other guy really does something great for the country. This is where an open mind is useful.

[Chulo]

on a side note.. anyone remember that "Get over it" youtube video that was posted here a while ago?

[Dominique]

Gents, apparently many of you either didn't bother to actually read what I posted, or seem to be having some comprehension problems. I don't have an issue with people criticizing President Obama, my beef is with people who feel the need to post threads every time he doesn't lift the seat when he takes a leak. As I've stated repeatedly, free free to bitch about his policies, but at least do it intelligently, as most of you aren't helping the cause.

[budgie]

I agree, some arguments about Obama, like that birth certificate nonsense, are just plain stupid.
Let take a look at thee latest threads about Obama in PD&R.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/search.php?searchid=2647813

Of those first 25 results, I see 1 repost and maybe 2 or 3 dumb threads.

I hardly think there is an epidemic of "omg barack HUSSEIN obama is a commie" posts going on.


Six of those first 25 are in OT&H, One sabotages itself by using the middle name in the title, and two more (excluding the OT&H ipod one) that start with inflammatory titles. I see two reposts or mirror topics (albeit one mirrored in OT&H), and one is locked.

Therefore my assclownery count for the first 25 posts reaches a staggering thirteen - roughly half. Take out the OT&Hs and we're still left with 7 out of 19 'silly' posts.

[budgie]

You folks pulling out the racist card for people who disagree with Obama, well words escape me for you at the moment.

There is nobody, nobody at mp.net who has accused someone of being racist for merely disagreeing with Obama. Those who have made veiled racist comments or outright ones know who they are and they do exist here and they are still posting.

[Atlantic Friend]

Six of those first 25 are in OT&H, One sabotages itself by using the middle name in the title, and two more (excluding the OT&H ipod one) that start with inflammatory titles. I see two reposts or mirror topics (albeit one mirrored in OT&H), and one is locked.

Therefore my assclownery count for the first 25 posts reaches a staggering thirteen - roughly half. Take out the OT&Hs and we're still left with 7 out of 19 'silly' posts.


Did you count the Telepromptergate in your total ?

[budgie]

That was in the next twenty five. A bunch of crap about teleprompters and iPods and no fewer than three locked threads. One of those was partly my fault.

[Bro Jangles]

Gents, apparently many of you either didn't bother to actually read what I posted, or seem to be having some comprehension problems. I don't have an issue with people criticizing President Obama, my beef is with people who feel the need to post threads every time he doesn't lift the seat when he takes a leak. As I've stated repeatedly, free free to bitch about his policies, but at least do it intelligently, as most of you aren't helping the cause.
i totally agree with you on all points. i swear one more "wheres the change?" thread and ill flip.

[Bia]

Gents, apparently many of you either didn't bother to actually read what I posted, or seem to be having some comprehension problems. I don't have an issue with people criticizing President Obama, my beef is with people who feel the need to post threads every time he doesn't lift the seat when he takes a leak. As I've stated repeatedly, free free to bitch about his policies, but at least do it intelligently, as most of you aren't helping the cause.Very wise words...

Many of us I noticed that were not fans of Bush... kept it on a level of policy and not personality. Many times when critisizing the war... I never claimed he was evil.. I'd often state I do believe he believes his cause was a just cause.

And two wrongs never make a right... there's no logic in "they did it to X so we do it to Y"

:/

[sinophile]

He hasn't been in office for six months, and people are crying HE'S THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER!!!!!

High stakes Dom. Recession (possible depression) that's affected many posters, epic budget decisions being taken, the future balance of power in the world taking shape... Probably not the best time for blind faith.

Republican or Democrat, its an important time for stakeholders to think critically, be informed and express their opinions - even stupid opinions. There's a positive intellectual catalytic effect to it.

Yes, some members aren't well informed and make silly criticisms. I think most members recognize a tantrum when they see it.

Have a beer and relax.

[Dominique]

High stakes Dom. Recession (possible depression) that's affected many posters, epic budget decisions being taken, the future balance of power in the world taking shape... Probably not the best time for blind faith.

Republican or Democrat, its an important time for stakeholders to think critically, be informed and express their opinions - even stupid opinions. There's a positive intellectual catalytic effect to it.

Yes, some members aren't well informed and make silly criticisms. I think most members recognize a tantrum when they see it.

Have a beer and relax.

I'm relaxed as can be, so no worries on that point, but my tolerance for stupidity, ignorance, and in some cases, trolling/sh*t stirring, grows thinner by the day. I don't have an issue with people who post well thought out arguments, as I enjoy a good debate (keeps me on my toes), but I do have an issue with the small sect of posters, who seem to do nothing but look for Micky Mouse BS stories to whine about.

[LankanCommando]

I'm relaxed as can be, so no worries on that point, but my tolerance for stupidity, ignorance, and in some cases, trolling/sh*t stirring, grows thinner by the day. I don't have an issue with people who post well thought out arguments, as I enjoy a good debate (keeps me on my toes), but I do have an issue with the small sect of posters, who seem to do nothing but look for Micky Mouse BS stories to whine about.
The effects of the bi-partisan view of politics my friend

[Soldat_Américain]

The effects of the bi-partisan view of politics my friend
yeah it fvcks the mind

[deagle]

so far he had not even 1/2 a year to fix up the last debacle of a decade left by the last administration, so its pre-emptive to say /presume anything.

[PeterRJG]

so far he had not even 1/2 a year to fix up the last debacle of a decade left by the last administration, so its pre-emptive to say /presume anything.

He hasn't even had 3 months.

[SOG]

After 8 years of Bush being criticized fairly and unfairly, to think that with the shoe on the other foot posters arent going to point out Obamas Faux Pas is Naive at the least.

Bingo, who would have thought it.

[SOG]

Very wise words...

Many of us I noticed that were not fans of Bush... kept it on a level of policy and not personality. Many times when critisizing the war... I never claimed he was evil.. I'd often state I do believe he believes his cause was a just cause.

And two wrongs never make a right... there's no logic in "they did it to X so we do it to Y"

:/

Many kept it civil, much much more however didn't. Depending on how long you've been here you know what I'm talking about. So that is a moot point. Just because a handful of people didn't throw rocks doesn't mean they are the status quo.

Two wrongs may never make a right but that's not real life. All the quotes in the world won't make reality less of what it is.

I totally understand Dom's point of view but expectations are totally unrealistic given the nature of the beast, politics. It's ugly, it's not going away, you can't ban it, it's talked about day and night, it will be posted every other day, people will always go ape**** over it, it will always come back. I was tired of these politics 6 years ago. Oh well, it's not going away, whether your on the internet, watching tv or reading a newspaper. That's reality.

[Hollis]

Many kept it civil, much much more however didn't. Depending on how long you've been here you know what I'm talking about. So that is a moot point. Just because a handful of people didn't throw rocks doesn't mean they are the status quo.

Two wrongs may never make a right but that's not real life. All the quotes in the world won't make reality less of what it is.

I totally understand Dom's point of view but expectations are totally unrealistic given the nature of the beast, politics. It's ugly, it's not going away, you can't ban it, it's talked about day and night, it will be posted every other day, people will always go ape**** over it, it will always come back. That's reality.


Good points, also it demonstrates something else. Some of those that insult Bush for anything and everything are also calling for other not to do that to "their" chosen one. Lack of personal honesty is amazing. Words can also come back and haunt you. SOME OF Those crying for "let Obama be", were also amongst the worse of the Bush bashers.

Honest critique is good regardless of who is in power. IMHO for us on the street, there is very little difference on who is in the White House. Blindly following one or the other is not wise.

The other aspect, while we can blame all of out chosen ones, the real power in this country lies in the hands of us on the street. Sadly the preponderance of out brethren.............. are out to lunch on their responsibilities. So many one of the reason the "leaders" are bashed is to actually hide this fact.

Blaming anyone for something they are not responsible for is just wrong.

[JKD]

I know some of the folks doing the most Obama bashing are some of the same ones who would label someone unpatriotic or accuse them of helping Al Quada for criticizing Bush. "He's our leader we should support him!", "Whether you agree with him or not, he's our president and we're at war!!", "He's keeping us safe!", "He has to make the tough decisions!"...though as his presidency neared an end it sort of became "look, I'm not the biggest Bush fan either but..."

I was among those defending Bush early on too.

Many of the people playing fiscal conservative now are the same ones who turned a blind eye to fiscal irresponsibility the last 8 years. So far I'm none too pleased with Obama's spending spree, but he's got an entirely different economic situation to deal with than Bush had and I'm willing to wait a little while to see how this plays out.

Many of those screaming about civil rights now are the same ones who were all to quick to invoke Lincoln and remind you we're at war when Bush would see just how much flexibility the Constitution has in it.

Then there's the conspiracy theorists, the "Birthers" who think the pres was born in Kenya, attended a madrasah, etc. They're pretty much just this new era's 9/11 Truthers.

I was amused with all those editorials, and posts here, completely jumping the gun and sticking their feet in their mouths about how that the recent pirate/hostage crisis was the new Iran hostage crisis and that liberal pvssy in the white house doesn't have the balls to deal with it.

Telepromter-gate, dvd-gate, middle-name-gate, are just silly distraction sh!t, which seem to get no shortage of threads devoted to them.

I spent the late 90's bashing Clinton, the mid-late 00s bashing Bush, maybe in a few years I'll be a die hard Obama basher.

[Jobu]

Why do Obama supporters have such thin skin?

He's the president of the United States. Therefore everything he does, from the color of his socks to his policy decisions, will be criticized. That's part of the job description.

[CG51]

Why do Obama supporters have such thin skin?

Because they wore it thin treading Bush threads?

[Jobu]

Very wise words...

Many of us I noticed that were not fans of Bush... kept it on a level of policy and not personality.


I never wanted Bush to fail... I always hoped he'd get a soul.

Naaaa.... it takes slight intelligence to obtain the level of arrogance... Bush is simply stupid.

My president, King George lied
etc. etc.


Congrats, you win the little miss hypocrite award.

[ronnieraygun]

Gents, apparently many of you either didn't bother to actually read what I posted, or seem to be having some comprehension problems. I don't have an issue with people criticizing President Obama, my beef is with people who feel the need to post threads every time he doesn't lift the seat when he takes a leak. As I've stated repeatedly, free free to bitch about his policies, but at least do it intelligently, as most of you aren't helping the cause.

I just thought I would put it out there again for all to read. I lost my comrade Hank (RIP) to the Thor Wars of 2008. The fight for reading comprehension must go on.

[Bia]

etc. etc.


Congrats, you win the little miss hypocrite award.Arrogant... ignorance.... are a far cry from pure evil.

But if you spin your yarn that way.... so be it.

[chauncy republicans]

Well you didn't call him evil, but don't ya think you got a little personal there buckaroo?

Your not too young to remember how you feel from day to day are you?

[Bia]

Well you didn't call him evil, but don't ya think you got a little personal there buckaroo?

Your not too young to remember how you feel from day to day are you?
Of course it's personal if one has emotions... people were dying... good, honorable people.

The point is I didnt post links when he did stupid sh1t like adopt a dog or look through capped binoculars... no posts about presents and improper handshakes or bows.

Massive diff in caring about blood spilled as opposed to an Ipod
Which is the point of this thread.

[matthew.manhorn]

As much as I dislike Obama's cult of personality, especially when I'm in college with a bunch of liberal teens, I have nothing against him at all.

[Hollis]

Of course it's personal if one has emotions... people were dying... good, honorable people.

The point is I didnt post links when he did stupid sh1t like adopt a dog or look through capped binoculars... no posts about presents and improper handshakes or bows.

Massive diff in caring about blood spilled as opposed to an Ipod
Which is the point of this thread.


Problem is your perceptions are based on what? Bush is Satan or Bush the hero, or Obama is Satan or Obama is the hero often share a commonality. I doubt if most of the people really have a clue one way or another. Most people are too busy doing other things. The so-called experts are opinion makers. I think most people's opinion are based on superstition or emotions or both.

That even includes mine. I really don't know if Bush was a bad or as good as other say, same goes with Obama. I happened to agree with GWOT and OIF.

[MJC9678]

I have taken to not watching the main news channels and shows in recent months. It is all the same really. It seems they all report the same headline and say the same canned crap about Obama. I honestly get no joy out of his criticisms. What I do enjoy, however, is watching all the left leaning and "independent" people I know who voted for this guy slowly come to realize who they voted for and what they now have to deal with. That right there is the gift that keeps on giving! There is no need to be rude or confrontational. Just sit back and enjoy....

[toad]

"but all of the crying, whining, and finger pointing every time he so much as farts is getting ridiculous...."

and it was ridiculous when Bush was in office, Clinton, Bush 1....etc... but it's called reality. Two parties, one does not agree with the other. So now you have Butthurt because people scrutinize your 'Dear Leader'....just as they did the previous admins...

Yes, it was all the trivial matters that were scrutinized, and records gone over with a fine tooth comb for previous prez's. Hell, they even brought out old war horses who went on TV to criticize Bush 1 over his WWII aircraft loss, his bailout and the loss of his dead rear gunner. 50 years after the fact...
Christ we heard about socks the cat in the WH, and why some people hated it....you name it someone was railing against it. Someone got in hot water because he didn't eat his broccoli....

Hey.....your guy won. Now its time to grow some thicker skin and deal with the scrutiny that comes with ALL administrations. And 'bamas too...

talk about getting real...




/you ain't seen nothing yet.

[budgie]

etc. etc.


Congrats, you win the little miss hypocrite award.

Why do you lot feel you have the right to call people names? That's the problem with guys on this forum - can't separate the political from the personal. Find someone you disagree with and call them a hypocrite. When did it become okay for us to directly insult one another here?

[sinophile]

Why do you lot feel you have the right to call people names? That's the problem with guys on this forum - can't separate the political from the personal. Find someone you disagree with and call them a hypocrite. When did it become okay for us to directly insult one another here?

Its cyber-lockerroom ribbing. Relax.

[Dominique]

"but all of the crying, whining, and finger pointing every time he so much as farts is getting ridiculous...."

and it was ridiculous when Bush was in office, Clinton, Bush 1....etc... but it's called reality. Two parties, one does not agree with the other. So now you have Butthurt because people scrutinize your 'Dear Leader'....just as they did the previous admins...

Yes, it was all the trivial matters that were scrutinized, and records gone over with a fine tooth comb for previous prez's. Hell, they even brought out old war horses who went on TV to criticize Bush 1 over his WWII aircraft loss, his bailout and the loss of his dead rear gunner. 50 years after the fact...
Christ we heard about socks the cat in the WH, and why some people hated it....you name it someone was railing against it. Someone got in hot water because he didn't eat his broccoli....

Hey.....your guy won. Now its time to grow some thicker skin and deal with the scrutiny that comes with ALL administrations. And 'bamas too...

talk about getting real...

Apparently you have a problem with reading comprehension, so I'll help you understand basic English. I'm not a fan of President Obama, I didn't vote for him, and don't agree with many of his policies. Is that clear enough for you? Or do you need me to use smaller words?

Also, I clearly stated, that when Bush was in office, I complained when people cried every time he did something (You know causing earth quakes, hurricanes, etc.). Some how he was a complete moron who couldn't string two sentences together, but yet he was somehow in charge of some secret NWO cabal. Here's a crazy idea, how about actually reading my posts, and the replies instead of assuming what I wrote, and where I stand on particular issues, then you might actually have a clue about what I said. until then, you do nothing but make yourself look like an ill informed ass, and get added to the long list of people I started this post about. Normally I don't go on rants, but dumb sh*t like this is what pisses me off. I apparently didn't read anything I posted in my very first post, or chose to ignore it, you then proceed to cherry pick statements and tell me who "my guy is", and go on a rant about how "they" did this to the last President. Who the phuck cares. Are you three years old? Just because little Johnny called you a poophead last week, that means you should do it to. Grow the phuck up, and get over it. There is far much going on in the world today to give rat's fat hairy ass about what type of phucking gifts that president is passing out. people need to worried about how he plans to pay for all of the money the government is spending, how he plans to withdraw from Iraq, without out it completely collapsing, and many, many other issues. For those of you still crying about the way the former President Bush was treated by the press. All I can say is, boo hoo, get over it, he's gone. You can't do anything about it. Worry about the here and now, and what could possibly happen in the future.


/you ain't seen nothing yet.

And that's the problem.

[budgie]

Its cyber-lockerroom ribbing. Relax.

Charges of hypocrisy suggest some deep inner character flaw and it's done far too often here. Teasing and ribbing is when we put up pictures of the LOLｚ dog or the fish-head guy. Calling someone a hypocrite is just calling them out fior saying sonmething dumb, it is changing argument from political to personal and the usual suspects are doing it. We don't know each other here well enough to comment on character.

[sinophile]

Charges of hypocrisy suggest some deep inner character flaw and it's done far too often here. Teasing and ribbing is when we put up pictures of the LOLｚ dog or the fish-head guy. Calling someone a hypocrite is just calling them out fior saying sonmething dumb, it is changing argument from political to personal and the usual suspects are doing it. We don't know each other here well enough to comment on character.

Its only personal if you take it that way. Consider it.

[budgie]

C'mon I know when it's meant that way. Call someone an asshat and it's juvenile jabbing. Call someone a hypocrite and you've just personalized the issues. It sabotages entire threads.

[Jobu]

C'mon I know when it's meant that way. Call someone an asshat and it's juvenile jabbing. Call someone a hypocrite and you've just personalized the issues. It sabotages entire threads.


In this case it was appropriate to the thread. Some people complained about how politics is often reduced to attacks on personality rather than limited to policy discussions.

If it turns out that some of the very people complaining are the ones who have also been engaged in it, it's hypocritical and worth pointing out.

[budgie]

I see people being called hypocrites here for perceived inconsistencies in their views. That is not worth pointing out. That is a personal attack on a fellow member, no matter how we try to excuse it, and it goes beyond the level of teasing. It shows immaturity, bitterness and an inability to separate the debate from the person. Not a distant political figure, a real person who is on the other end and struggling to maintain good manners even when the oppostion is not. It's anti-social and rude.

Stick to the issue, not the person you are debating the issue with; challenge the view, not the poster's moral fibre.

These are simple rules of etiquette people seem to think they're excused from because this is the internet and not face-to-face.