Obama keeps nominating pro-abortion persons as ambassador to the Vatican

[Jobu]

...and as any half-brain dead moron would expect, the Catholic church is rejecting them. At least three times now.

Just how stupid is this President? Repeatedly trying to push a pro-abortion envoy on the Vatican?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7998688.stm

[plato]

I agree! This president is very stupid, but not as stupid as Bush.

[seraosha]

I agree! This president is very stupid, but not as stupid as Bush.

O'rly? I'll bet you they both can beat you in the brains dept.

But the Obama Administration's continual embarrassing errors in protocol and judgment when dealing with foreign powers is beginning to look deliberate I'm afraid to say.

[Invisigoth]

He should totally turn around and endorse mass-murder in Africa.

[Awatron]

First he bows before a muslim king and now he shows disrespect for the head of a major christian church. Tendency?

[seraosha]

He should totally turn around and endorse mass-murder in Africa.

So whats he doing about Darfur?

[plato]

O'rly? I'll bet you they both can beat you in the brains dept.

But the Obama Administration's continual embarrassing errors in protocol and judgment when dealing with foreign powers is beginning to look deliberate I'm afraid to say.
lol! they better be. The leaders of the free world!

Obama should keep these errors coming. to divert attentions!

[LineDoggie]

He should totally turn around and endorse mass-murder in Africa.
Tourettes?

[kosse]

Haha. I'm beginning to like Obama more and more. If people appointed by US president are not good enough for Vatican maybe there should not be an ambassador there at all?

Anyway, I don't really mind him bullying that backwards organisation a bit. The more publicity their retarded practises regarding condoms, abortion etc. get the better.

[Evolv5]

So whats he doing about Darfur?

Is there any world leader who is doing anything about Darfur?

And about the term "pro-abortion" ... makes it sound likes these guys are cold blooded killers and go around and want everyone to have an abortion.

[Fargin]

Is there any world leader who is doing anything about Darfur?

And about the term "pro-abortion" ... makes it sound likes these guys are cold blooded killers and go around and want everyone to have an abortion.
I think the correct term is "pro-choice" or "fricken baby killers," I sometimes get them all mixed up.

[Evolv5]

I think the correct term is "pro-choice" or "fricken baby killers," I sometimes get them all mixed up.

Aye, that's the one, sounds more politically correct and all that.

[California Joe]

I'm a big fan of abortion. Kids annoy me. Especially when school's out and they post here.

I was raised Catholic and I can't see any reason to have a frigging Ambassador to the Vatican anyway. WTF for? In case we go to war with the Mormons or some sh*t?

It is rather stupid to keep sending pro choice types, maybe they should send a **** star that specializes in altar boy anal next.

[Kilgor]

I agree! This president is very stupid, but not as stupid as the Catholic Church.

Fixed for you.




Anyway, I don't really mind him bullying that backwards organisation a bit. The more publicity their retarded practises regarding condoms, abortion etc. get the better.

X2

They are knuckle dragging apes with bibles.

[Morboute]

I'm a big fan of abortion. Kids annoy me. Especially when school's out and they post here.

I was raised Catholic and I can't see any reason to have a frigging Ambassador to the Vatican anyway. WTF for? In case we go to war with the Mormons or some sh*t?

It is rather stupid to keep sending pro choice types, maybe they should send a **** star that specializes in altar boy anal next.


QFT


The next man/woman that gets caught for moletsting little boys can be sent to the Vatican as an ambassador.

[Macs.]

The Vatican is a fundamentalist dictatorship in the middle of the EU.

Imagine that.

[Jobu]

Of course Obama is flying to Sardinia next week to go pay tribute to the leader of the knuckle-dragging apes with bibles.

[California Joe]

Duh, he's keeping Joe Biden happy.

[Bombtrack]

...and as any half-brain dead moron would expect, the Catholic church is rejecting them. At least three times now.

Just how stupid is this President? Repeatedly trying to push a pro-abortion envoy on the Vatican?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7998688.stm

Kind of like that stupid president that named an anti-UN guy ambassador to the UN.

[Ordie]

I would recommend a Jewish canidate for Vatican envoy. This way you will have someone with undivided loyalties and makes it more difficult for the Vatican to reject.

Especially in light of the Pope's background and recent blunder with Holocaust denial issues within his flock.

[Kit]

This is almost as stupid as secularists pushing for a Liberal/Progressive Pope when Pope John Paul died
The Catholic Church will be the Catholic Church. Don't bother trying to change their doctrine. Separation of church and state.

I find it disrespectful that Obama keeps nominating a pro-choice ambassador. It's as if he's saying their opinion on abortion is wrong. Very humble, Mr. President.

[khukuri]

If the democrats policy is pro life then thats the correct move, or should the saudi ambassador be pro burkha?

[Jobu]

Duh, he's keeping Joe Biden happy.

That can be achieved with a ball and paddle.

[Kit]

That can be achieved with a ball and paddle.

Joe Biden likes ping-pong?

[kosse]

If the democrats policy is pro life then thats the correct move, or should the saudi ambassador be pro burkha?
Or Chinese ambassador pro-communism..or Finnish ambassador pro-ToF :lol:

[tennesseedave]

Is there any world leader who is doing anything about Darfur?

I don't want to hijack the thread, but you asked. I am a strong supporter of President Bush. He is the not the most eloquent speaker and made his share of mistakes, but he does not deserve the hate and contempt that has been thrown his way. He sent more aid to Africa than anyone, and that is why the most common name given to newborn babies last year was George.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7245002.stm



US aid to Africa has grown rapidly since Mr Bush entered the White House in 2001. He said on Thursday it had doubled over his first term and was set to double again by 2010.


http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2009-01/2009-01-05-voa25.cfm?CFID=172247424&CFTOKEN=38405073&jsessionid=663046f34f7dbd7512a8524a445b70291f4f

This was one of the last things he ordered as President.



U.S. President George Bush has authorized an American airlift of equipment for African Union and United Nations peacekeepers in Sudan's troubled Darfur region.

The president has spoken for some time of his resolve to help the peacekeeping mission in Darfur.

Now he has told the State Department to start the airlift immediately without reimbursement from the United Nations.

[California Joe]

That can be achieved with a ball and paddle.

You should have said "shiny objects and bits of string..."

Joe Kennedy was made Ambassador to Great Britain once upon a time...Just sayin'.

It's kind of odd to watch a dramatization like the Tudors, and stop and think that the Catholic church operates in the exact same way now, as they did then. They even have the same really gay outfits.

[Ordie]

It's kind of odd to watch a dramatization like the Tudors, and stop and think that the Catholic church operates in the exact same way now, as they did then. They even have the same really gay outfits.

The Catholic Church (Holy See) is the oldest bureaucracy and defacto government on earth. Many people forget that the Holy See is a nation state.

Despite its size, it can be said that the Holy See has the most elaborate intelligence gathering organization. More so than the CIA or FSB. This is done so through its network of Diocese and Apostolic Nunciature in providing primary accounts of events at local parishes and missions. Especially in the devloping world.

FYI: The Vatican's #2 man is Californian. Cardinal William Laveda, former Archbishop of San Francisco.

[shocker1]

Send a Preacher from a Church of God. That'll teach'em good.

[budgie]

...and as any half-brain dead moron would expect, the Catholic church is rejecting them. At least three times now.

Just how stupid is this President? Repeatedly trying to push a pro-abortion envoy on the Vatican?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7998688.stm

And if the nominees were anti-abortionists, the right would be screaming, "See? He's no different from Bush! Where's the CHAAAAAANGE?"

Can't have your cake and eat it.

[loganinkosovo]

Communists, Terrorists and Crooks......the Obama administration.

So which category did the baby killers fall under?

[Mu-Meson]

Since the US established formal diplomatic relations with the Vatican in 1984, the ambassadorial post has always been held by pro-life Catholics under both Republican and Democrat administrations

So Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, and Bush Jr figured this out, but Obama is just a bit slower on the uptake.

[seraosha]

I like most of you guys, but you are a bunch of ****ing bigots towards the Catholic Church in particular, and Christians in general. When your kids and their kids are scientologists and cult members because they never had any inoculation, just empty slogans and feel good guidelines on behavior, you will have only yourselves to blame. The disintegration of the family, denigration of human rights, and callus disregard for the rights of the unborn is in direct correlation to the rise of "so called" modern secularism (ie apathy).

I'm guess that's your look-out, but when you assholes are burning in hell forever, don't say you didn't have any chances to straighten up and fly right.

Just sayin.

[LineDoggie]

And if the nominees were anti-abortionists, the right would be screaming, "See? He's no different from Bush! Where's the CHAAAAAANGE?"

Can't have your cake and eat it. Your post makes no sense

[budgie]

Oh I agree obama is pushing s#it uphill here, but he probably feels he has to try and promote his administrations, generally pro-choice position. Naturally the Church has has teh right to refuse which is why sooner or later, the administration will be forced to conceed. There are plenty of Catholics to choose from among his supporters anyway.

But I'm just saying the same crowd that derides Obama for attempting change is the first to jump on him on him when he leaves things as they were. Can't have it both ways.

[loganinkosovo]

Oh I agree obama is pushing s#it uphill here, but he probably feels he has to try and promote his administrations, generally pro-choice position. Naturally the Church has has teh right to refuse which is why sooner or later, the administration will be forced to conceed. There are plenty of Catholics to choose from among his supporters anyway.

But I'm just saying the same crowd that derides Obama for attempting change is the first to jump on him on him when he leaves things as they were. Can't have it both ways.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmRXH7RkCZQ

[khaz]

It would be nice if the obama would release his college records like the previous Presidents.

It is rapidly becoming apparent that he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer and is in well over his head.

As for the earlier remark about Bush appointing an anti UN, Ambassador to the UN. Had to appoint someone to try and get the UN to abide by its agreement to reform its fianancial practices, of course it did not.

But as the US pays 25 % percent of the UN budget, with 192 member countries someone had to call bull**** sam on that anti American debating society.

[Macs.]

Communists, Terrorists and Crooks......the Obama administration.

So which category did the baby killers fall under?

I believe they fall under COMMUNIST-TERRORIST and are obviously ANTI-FREEDOM.


I like most of you guys, but you are a bunch of ****ing bigots towards the Catholic Church in particular, and Christians in general. When your kids and their kids are scientologists and cult members because they never had any inoculation, just empty slogans and feel good guidelines on behavior, you will have only yourselves to blame. The disintegration of the family, denigration of human rights, and callus disregard for the rights of the unborn is in direct correlation to the rise of "so called" modern secularism (ie apathy).

I'm guess that's your look-out, but when you assholes are burning in hell forever, don't say you didn't have any chances to straighten up and fly right.

Just sayin.

You also forgot to say that atheist are responsible for both world wars and genocides. Duh.

But in all seriousness - I hope that the Vatican will be invaded soon, so we can have a real democracy there and remove the fundamentalist dictatorship that rules there.

[Holycrusader]

I would recommend a Jewish canidate for Vatican envoy. This way you will have someone with undivided loyalties and makes it more difficult for the Vatican to reject.

Especially in light of the Pope's background and recent blunder with Holocaust denial issues within his flock.


Good idea :)

[LuKaZz]

Protocol is important in international affairs you can't disregard this, sending a pro-choice representative to the Holy See is like sending an Ambassador to Iran who's outspoken in his support for Israel.

It will just cause diplomatic inconveniences and won't help push your agenda at all, quite the contrary actually it could be perceived(rightfully so) as an insult.

[AgentX]

Separation of church and state.
The very existence of a Church-state negates and nullifies this argument.

[khukuri]

The Catholic Church (Holy See) is the oldest bureaucracy and defacto government on earth. Many people forget that the Holy See is a nation state.

Despite its size, it can be said that the Holy See has the most elaborate intelligence gathering organization. More so than the CIA or FSB. This is done so through its network of Diocese and Apostolic Nunciature in providing primary accounts of events at local parishes and missions. Especially in the devloping world.

FYI: The Vatican's #2 man is Californian. Cardinal William Laveda, former Archbishop of San Francisco.

not to mention their historical archives ...

[Shadowstorm]

I believe they fall under COMMUNIST-TERRORIST and are obviously ANTI-FREEDOM.



You also forgot to say that atheist are responsible for both world wars and genocides. Duh.

But in all seriousness - I hope that the Vatican will be invaded soon, so we can have a real democracy there and remove the fundamentalist dictatorship that rules there.
How is the Pope a dictator. I don't see him ordering mass murder on people or building WMD's. You people amaze me sometimes with your stupid s**t.

[Raptus_regaliter]

How is the Pope a dictator. I don't see him ordering mass murder on people or building WMD's. You people amaze me sometimes with your stupid s**t.

Dictionary FTW.

[Shadowstorm]

Dictionary FTW.
I known what a dictator is and I don't need a f**king dictionary to tell me that and anyway the Pope isn't a dictator, just people going around bashing Catholics and the Pope because they don't agree with there issues.

[Macs.]

I known what a dictator is and I don't need a f**king dictionary to tell me that and anyway the Pope isn't a dictator, just people going around bashing Catholics and the Pope because they don't agree with there issues.

You don't seem to know what a dictator is when you say "I don't see him ordering mass murder on people or building WMD's" since this has absolute nothing to do with being a dictator/dictatorship.

Vatican City is a so-called "absolute monachry".

To quote Wikipedia:


The government of Vatican City has a unique structure. The Pope is the sovereign of the state. Legislative authority is vested in the Pontifical Commission for Vatican City State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifical_Commission_for_Vatican_City_State), a body of cardinals appointed by the Pope for five-year periods. Executive power is in the hands of the President of that commission, assisted by the General Secretary and Deputy General Secretary. The state's foreign relations are entrusted to the Holy See (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_See)'s Secretariat of State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretariat_of_State_%28Vatican%29) and diplomatic service. Nevertheless, the pope has full and absolute executive, legislative and judicial power over Vatican City. He is currently the only absolute monarch in Europe....and if we look for Dictatorship:




A government controlled by one person or a small group of people.
In contemporary usage, dictatorship refers to an autocratic form of absolute rule by leadership unrestricted by law, constitutions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution), or other social and political factors within the state.

The Vatican is ruled by a small elite of fundamentalists. So proof me wrong, I would be happy to know that there is democracy in all of the EU.

[gustav]

Its a theocracy not a dictatorship. The Pope's authority is derived from his status of spiritual leader.

[Macs.]

Its a theocracy not a dictatorship. The Pope's authority is derived from his status of spiritual leader.

The Pope is not the direct man from god, so I fail to see how it should be a theocracy. He doesn't claim to be a prophet.

It's not the "rule of god".

To make it short: It's ruled by a few people who elect someone else who has absolute power. Democracy is ignored.

[gustav]

[quote=Macs.;4062638]The Pope is not the direct man from god, so I fail to see how it should be a theocracy. He doesn't claim to be a prophet.

What does it even mean? He's Peter's successor, the "sheperd", the "rock" etc....So yes according to the catholic tradition hes the spiritual leader.


To make it short: It's ruled by a few people who elect someone else who has absolute power. Democracy is ignored.

We have been living in the darkness since the begining of the times thank god we have now democracy...Well, no we're actually talking about a religion, there's no opinion poll, no ballot box, nothing of that sort...

[matthew.manhorn]

Good job President Obama, teach those child molestors a lesson. Abortion = no children for them.

[eskachig]

It's not the "rule of god".In away, Papal infallibility implies that Pope is just a puppet with God pulling the strings.