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Bulletproof
04-15-2009, 04:01 PM
Nathalie Morin knows she made a terrible mistake moving to Saudi Arabia with her young son in 2005 to live with the boy’s father.

Four years later, the 24-year-old woman now has three children and her mother says she is being held in the Middle East against her will because her partner has refused to allow her to return to Canada with her children.

“I know I put myself in this situation, but I want to come back to Canada as soon as possible with my three children,” a tearful Morin said in a telephone conversation that her mother, Johanne Durocher, recorded this month.

Morin’s partner, Samir Said Ramthi Al Bishi, was in another room when Durocher recorded the phone call. “We are intimidated and scared and I am hit every three or four days,” Morin says on the tape. She says she and her children have been confined to their apartment for about 18 months, except when Al Bishi lets them outside.

“I don’t want to be condemned, I need your support to come back to my country,” Morin sobs, before someone hangs up the phone line.

The recording was played for reporters yesterday at a Montreal news conference. Durocher said lawyer Julius Grey will launch a lawsuit against the federal government unless Ottawa helps her daughter return home.

“We are trying to establish that the government has an obligation to people abroad – where foreign laws are incompatible with our charter,” Grey said yesterday.

Durocher claims Foreign Affairs officials and employees at the Canadian embassy in Riyadh haven’t done enough to help Morin, who cannot use the telephone without Al Bishi’s permission. She also claims someone in the embassy is leaking information to her daughter’s partner.

Before Christmas, Deepak Obhrai, the parliamentary secretary to Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon, met with Morin and her partner to mediate the couple’s dispute. Obhrai said yesterday that no one in the embassy is leaking information and added that embassy staff spends about 20 per cent of its time on Morin’s file.

“We gave her financial assistance (on two occasions) to come back,” Obhrai said, adding that in 2006, while Morin was in Canada, Foreign Affairs officials advised her not to return to Saudi Arabia.

“The children are Saudi citizens ... and there are laws there that apply,” he said.

Under Saudi law, the children’s father has final say over whether the children can leave Saudi Arabia.

Morin met Al Bishi in 2001 when she was 17 through a mutual friend. Their first son was born in Montreal in 2002 before Al Bishi left Canada after receiving a deportation order for being here illegally.

Morin visited Al Bishi twice in Saudi Arabia before moving there in 2005.

Durocher said the relationship soured soon after.

Durocher acknowledged that releasing the audio tape could put her daughter in danger, but she said she had no other choice.

“I have to do this to help my daughter,” she said.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/News/Quebecer+stuck+Saudi+Arabia+says+kids+risk/1495422/story.html

A nice case of pure stupidity. What does she expect seriously? That we send in the JTF2? She live in another country, we must respect their laws, we can't force them to give her back. Too bad she chose Saudi Arabia, a land unfriendly to women. I'm sure suing the gov will help her cause...

Tough luck.

muck
04-15-2009, 04:21 PM
I can't say I feel pity for her.

Panchito12
04-15-2009, 04:41 PM
She made the bed that she now has to lie on.

Cedan
04-15-2009, 04:45 PM
Why the hell would she move to Saudi Arabia? Probably one of the worst countries in the world in regards to women rights. . . I agree with some of the posters above, you make your decisions and live by the consequences.

Blue_0
04-15-2009, 05:07 PM
Hopefully the goverment can get her and her kids out of there. Her and her children are a Canadian citizens after all, reguardless of her mistakes.

Clayton Gold
04-15-2009, 05:21 PM
Hopefully the goverment can get her and her kids out of there. Her and her children are a Canadian citizens after all, reguardless of her mistakes.


...made a terrible mistake moving to Saudi Arabia with her young son in 2005 to live with the boy’s father.

Four years later, the 24-year-old woman now has three children...

I think this is the issue - two of the children are not Canadian citizens. So what right does the Canadian gov't have to make demands regarding them ?

I feel sorry for the shytey situation she is in, but why do so many expect our govt to save their asses after they make stupid decisions ?

Bulletproof
04-15-2009, 05:22 PM
Hopefully the goverment can get her and her kids out of there. Her and her children are a Canadian citizens after all, reguardless of her mistakes.

The husband said she can leave but the kids stay.

Mr.K
04-15-2009, 05:26 PM
I think this is the issue - two of the children are not Canadian citizens. So what right does the Canadian gov't have to make demands regarding them ?

I feel sorry for the shytey situation she is in, but why do so many expect our govt to save their asses after they make stupid decisions ?

Enven if the children have dual nationality, Canada has zero obligations for them.


Morin met Al Bishi in 2001 when she was 17 through a mutual friend. Their first son was born in Montreal in 2002 before Al Bishi left Canada after receiving a deportation order for being here illegally.


Well its not the 1st time she makes a stupid decision.

Blue_0
04-15-2009, 05:38 PM
The husband said she can leave but the kids stay.

Hmm, it would appear the best solution would be to remove her husband from the picture. It occurs to me a fatal accident of some type would be best.

*I am aware that my extreem view on the matter is in the minority

-- Bluelight

gustav
04-15-2009, 05:40 PM
The husband said she can leave but the kids stay.

Classic.

We have pretty much the same case involving a French father and a Russian mother. The mother called her "cousins" to help her take back the child in her country and give a correction to the father in the process. Divorces are bad but when your with a foreigner thats even worse.

Sanat-e-naft
04-15-2009, 05:41 PM
Didn't she see "Not Without My Daughter".....(crappiest movie ever PS), no sympathy from me, you moved to where the animals live (and no i am not starting a flame war with the Saudi's, you are not ALL animals), welcome to the jungle baby.

muck
04-15-2009, 05:49 PM
It's no secret (to those who check out the crime statistics of West European countries) that the frequency of domestic violence among couples with at least one spouse of Muslim background is three times higher than among all other couples.
I'm not gonna discuss the possible reasons, I'm sick of that already.

Hutz
04-15-2009, 06:33 PM
Although I feel some sympathy for her, she chose to move to SA. If for some idiotic reason I decided to move to Somalia, I wouldn't expect the gov to risk lives to bail me out after a retarded decision made by me.

Vince S
04-15-2009, 07:05 PM
No sympathy from me either... It's not the first time her case is brought up by the media. She freely left Canada and now that HER decisions turn against her she comes back mopping and crying????

When will people ever learn that there are CONSEQUENCES to any action???

NuckmasterJ
04-15-2009, 07:30 PM
Welp. You left and then went back in 2006 after Foreign Affairs said "Hey you! Don't go back! Saudi is a **** hole for women and we advise you to not return!". Ms. Morin you decided to go back, so now you can either live with it with your half saudi children that will be brought up to treat women like trash or run away when your awesome husband looks away to the Embasy and get a one way ticket home.

Also; she's recieved financial aid twice from FA to get out? What the hell? :fork:

ZeroZen
04-15-2009, 08:45 PM
I think I saw this story in a movie before except it was Iran.

Canuk2
04-16-2009, 01:05 AM
Ya, it's the movie Sanat-e-naft mentioned "Not without my daughter", very similar situation the mother was given the possibility to leave but not with the child. She finally made it out with her kid only when she took the risk herself not waiting on someone else to bail her for her own dumb decision.

Iran can't be easy to get out of, Saudi Arabia I couldn't see being anything else but worst. I feel for the girl but agree with everyone, she made the choice (twice!!) now live with the consequences.