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I can't think of a name
04-17-2009, 12:22 AM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/world_agenda/article6098836.ece


France has been cooing along with everyone else over the arrival of Bo Obama at the White House, but the master of America's new First Dog is no longer in good odour with President Sarkozy.



Mr Sarkozy is pouring cold water on President Obama's efforts to recast American leadership on the world stage, depicting them as unoriginal, unsubstantial and overrated. Behind leaks and briefings from the Elysée Palace lies Mr Sarkozy's irritation at the rock-star welcome that Europe gave Mr Obama on his Europan tour earlier this month.


The American President's call "to free the world of the menace of a nuclear nightmare" was hot air, Mr Sarkozy's diplomatic staff told him in a report. "It was rhetoric – not a speech on American security policy but an export model aimed at improving the image of the United States," they said. Most of Mr Obama's proposals had already been made by the Bush administration and Washington was dragging its feet on disarmament and treaties against nuclear proliferation, the leaked report said.



Personal pique and French politics are also behind the souring of Mr Sarkozy's self-promoted honeymoon with the United States. On the personal side, the French President is needled by the adulation for an unproven US leader whose stardom has eclipsed what he sees as his established record as a world troubleshooter. "The President is annoyed by what he sees as the naivety and the herd mentality of the media," said a journalist who is privy to Elysée thinking.


Mr Sarkozy has put out a version of the proceedings at the London G20 economic summit which casts him as hero, in the classic French role of intransigent defender of principle in the face of the American steamroller. This is to counter last week's reports of Mr Obama saving the day by persuading President Hu of China to accept Mr Sarkozy's demands for naming tax havens.


According to the leaks, Mr Sarkozy shamed Mr Obama into intervening: "You were elected to build a new world. Tax havens are the embodiment of the old world," he is quoted as saying. He also reprimanded Mr Obama for setting US goals for climate change that were inferior to Europe's, according to his staff.



Again, according to the Sarkozy version, at the Nato summit in Strasbourg, Mr Obama was meekly yielding to Turkey's refusal to endorse Anders Fogh Rasmussen as the alliance's new Secretary-General. It took pressure from Mr Sarkozy and Chancellor Merkel of Germany to stiffen him up and change his mind, say the French.



Mr Obama's favour for Ankara has irked but also helped Mr Sarkozy as his Union for a Popular Movement campaigns for European Parliament elections in June. Mr Sarkozy slapped down the US President on French TV after he publicly called for Turkish entry to the European Union.
Permanent refusal of Turkish membership is one of Mr Sarkozy's policy planks and one of his most popular with voters. Mr Obama's venture into EU affairs has enabled Mr Sarkozy to make political capital. He has shown that France can still stand up to the United States despite rejoining the Nato command last week.



It sounded like old Franco-American business as usual this morning when Bruno Le Maire, Mr Sarkozy's Europe Minister, accused Washington of backing the northern and eastern EU members by wanting to turn the union into a mere free-trade zone. France and Germany are sticking to their vision of the "political" Europe that others do not want, he said.



Behind the policy argument, it is easy to detect disappointment over Mr Obama's failure to respond to the Sarkozy charm offensive that began when he befriended the junior senator on a visit to Washington in 2006. Mr Obama showered compliments on France's "hyper-president" in Strasbourg, but the one that has stuck was double-edged: "He is courageous on so many fronts, it's sometimes hard to keep up with him."

darz
04-17-2009, 02:01 AM
According to the leaks
topnotch source.

budgie
04-17-2009, 02:16 AM
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=802&pictureid=11450

Nansouty
04-17-2009, 03:13 AM
At any rate here, there are but few people still impressed with Mr Sarkozy's leadership skills. p-)

Panchito12
04-17-2009, 04:04 AM
So the Democrats claimed in the elections that they would improve our relations with our "allies" and this is what we get? Sacre blue!!!

Mr Gently Benevolent
04-17-2009, 04:08 AM
Looks like Sarkozy has had a wee dig at Merkel this week as well.

stef063
04-17-2009, 06:49 AM
Looks like Sarkozy has had a wee dig at Merkel this week as well.

Today's news : Sarko has been to Spain and said during a lunch that PM Zapatero "is probably not very smart".
The man just can't stop :cantbeli:

Mordoror
04-17-2009, 06:52 AM
Looks like Sarkozy has opened his mouth too much again
nice now; from Germany to Spain to USA he made himself a "lot of friends"

sorry in French (but with link to international press) : http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2009/04/17/sarkozy-l-arrogant-epingle-par-la-presse-internationale_1181842_823448.html

Telmar
04-17-2009, 07:22 AM
I voted for Sarko, and think that the overall policies are good, however, he really talks too much, and is either unable or unwilling to step down from "firework" declarations.

Our polticians are quite embarrassing with their statements: from Chirac to Sarko, not counting Segolene with her retarded "excuse" speech.

Sigh...

matthew.manhorn
04-17-2009, 11:20 AM
Comes from a guy who ditched his wife, married a model and visited Dalai Lama; Attentionwhore anyone? Seems like Hugo Chavez's got a new rival.

xav
04-17-2009, 11:58 AM
I voted for Sarko, and think that the overall policies are good, however, he really talks too much, and is either unable or unwilling to step down from "firework" declarations.

Our polticians are quite embarrassing with their statements: from Chirac to Sarko, not counting Segolene with her retarded "excuse" speech.

Sigh...

x2 Same here on all you said.

KB
04-17-2009, 01:42 PM
I voted for Sarko, and think that the overall policies are good, however, he really talks too much, and is either unable or unwilling to step down from "firework" declarations.

Our polticians are quite embarrassing with their statements: from Chirac to Sarko, not counting Segolene with her retarded "excuse" speech.

Sigh...

Well, at least he's #1 as far as attractive spouses go..

boreal
04-18-2009, 10:17 AM
Today's news : Sarko has been to Spain and said during a lunch that PM Zapatero "is probably not very smart".
The man just can't stop :cantbeli:


And Sarko is right, not very diplomatic, but right

szr
04-18-2009, 10:23 AM
I like his style.

Breakfast in Vegas
04-18-2009, 10:28 AM
I like his style.x2. I'm not involved in French politics to truly judge his leadership qualities and decision-making, but he's likable.

tea drinker
04-18-2009, 10:56 AM
x2. I'm not involved in French politics to truly judge his leadership qualities and decision-making, but he's likable.
I don't agree, I don't like him.
But as insulting and grating as he is, he did make some achievements for France, and perhaps more than Royale could have achieved. Anyway, it's politics, how many of these people would you like or admire?

I think he is a little fond of attention and doesn't like others who take it from him. He has loose lips and needs to watch that otherwise accept the enemies he makes from it.

Jiggy
04-18-2009, 05:02 PM
the man says what he feels is true lol.

some of which i can agree with.

thunderbird84
04-18-2009, 05:21 PM
he did make some achievements for France

I can guarantee you that these "achievements" aren't as 'visible' as they sound.
I voted for Sarkozy during the last presidential elections but I'm quite disappointed (to say the least) by the way he actually manages things.

But it's too early to put a "permanent" banner over his head, therefore, I will sit and wait to see how things will evolve within the near future.

Henry's Fork
04-18-2009, 05:23 PM
And Sarko is right, not very diplomatic, but right

Bahahahah same thing i was thinking.

California Joe
04-18-2009, 05:34 PM
Maybe Carla made a comment about Obama's "loadout" in front of the attention whoring little midget.

Dercius
04-18-2009, 05:40 PM
Today's news : Sarko has been to Spain and said during a lunch that PM Zapatero "is probably not very smart".
The man just can't stop :cantbeli:

Well, I think that Sarkozy is the first sincere politician I have ever seen :)

xav
04-18-2009, 05:43 PM
To all the anti Sarkozys out there...

THank GOD he was here during this crisis... Just imagine where France would stand if (god forbid) Segolene was in power... I can't even think about it!

California Joe
04-18-2009, 05:46 PM
Actually I think that if the French are happy with him then it's none of my damned business.

Just seems a bit "unprofessional" to be running your mouth about "allies" because you aren't the center of attention. "Marsha, Marsha, Marsha"

:)

xav
04-18-2009, 05:50 PM
+ The "rumor" that he said "zapatero is not intelligent" is just this... a stupid rumor.

Izmirlian
04-18-2009, 05:54 PM
Yeah Sarkozy is great. He is a fabulous leader and the French love him. and I also agree with Sarkozy, that Obama is unimpressive, and that America is generally retarded. And I also love how Americans seem to cry like little b**ches about France this and France that. Boo hoo. Sarkozy hates you.

Dercius
04-18-2009, 05:54 PM
+ The "rumor" that he said "zapatero is not intelligent" is just this... a stupid rumor.

I wouldnt say its a rumor without any base :roll:

California Joe
04-18-2009, 06:03 PM
Yeah Sarkozy is great. He is a fabulous leader and the French love him. and I also agree with Sarkozy, that Obama is unimpressive, and that America is generally retarded. And I also love how Americans seem to cry like little b**ches about France this and France that. Boo hoo. Sarkozy hates you.

Can't quite tell if you're being sarcastic or just an asshole?

The answer is worth 6 points.

xav
04-18-2009, 06:06 PM
I wouldnt say its a rumor without any base :roll:

:roll:
Ok

Many witnesses were present (it was a luncheon) and basically:
Right wing witnesses report he did not say "zapatero is not intelligent" he actually said "other heads of states passed a law so that public/state TV don't show advertising anymore, I may not be intelligent, but other heads of states do just like me" (Because few monthes ago Sarkozy Gov passed a law so that state TV don't play ads after 8 pm and of course left wing was against it because all French left wing do is "vote against"... if France was US left wing would be the anti reform/conservative party)

Something along those lines...

NOW

ONE (1) "green party" (left wing - opposition party) dude that was present at the luncheon reported to Liberation (left wing newspaper) that "Sarkozy said Zapatero is not intelligent"...

And to make thinks worst fvcking Segolene "bitchy" Royale wrote a letter to Zapatero to appologize "in the name of the french people" :cantbeli:

:bash: :bash: :bash:

Just your tipycal "Storm in a glass of water" AKA your Typical left wing bullsh!t

Now give it a break seriously :slap:

Izmirlian
04-18-2009, 06:07 PM
Can't quite tell if you're being sarcastic or just an asshole?

The answer is worth 6 points.

I'm being both. Articles like this just do that to me.

California Joe
04-18-2009, 06:10 PM
I'm being both. Articles like this just do that to me.

Good answer.

Telmar
04-19-2009, 02:22 PM
To all the anti Sarkozys out there...

THank GOD he was here during this crisis... Just imagine where France would stand if (god forbid) Segolene was in power... I can't even think about it!

Thanks Xav. I will be having nightmares all night now.

hsh2
04-19-2009, 02:33 PM
but he's likable.

+1


To all the anti Sarkozys out there...

THank GOD he was here during this crisis... Just imagine where France would stand if (god forbid) Segolene was in power... I can't even think about it!

Absolutely.

Nansouty
04-20-2009, 07:32 AM
To all the anti Sarkozys out there...

THank GOD he was here during this crisis... Just imagine where France would stand if (god forbid) Segolene was in power... I can't even think about it!

Segolene is dumber, but she isn't the only other option. We might have Juppé, Villepin, Bayrou, or Jospin. Any one of them would do a better job IMO, at least they'd be listening to public opinion, and not running the country straight towards a revolution.

xav
04-20-2009, 07:37 AM
Segolene is dumber, but she isn't the only other option.

During the last elections she was... it was either him or her...

ps: You should buy and read the latest Le Point magazine entitled "Et si on s'en sortait" that shows how Sarko took the right decisions reg. the crisis.