The American Dreyfus

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Patrick J. Buchanan

On Good Friday, John Demjanjuk, 89 and gravely ill, was ordered deported to Germany to stand trial as an accessory to the murder of 29,000 Jews — at Sobibor camp in Poland.

Sound familiar? It should. It is a re-enactment of the 1986 extradition of John Demjanjuk to Israel to be tried for the murder of 870,000 Jews — at Treblinka camp in Poland.

How many men in the history of this country have been so relentlessly pursued and remorselessly persecuted?

The ordeal of this American Dreyfus began 30 years ago.

In 1979, the Office of Special Investigations (OSI) at Justice, goaded and guided by Yuri Andropov’s KGB, was persuaded that Demjanjuk was “Ivan the Terrible,” a huge, brutal, sadistic guard at Treblinka, who bashed in babies’ heads and slashed off women’s breasts, as he drove hundreds of thousands of Jews into the gas chambers.

Demjanjuk’s defense was simple: I was never at Treblinka.

Yet, a dozen survivors, shown a photo spread, identified him as the beast of Treblinka. In 1986, OSI had him extradited to Israel. In 1988, he was convicted and sentenced to death. The greatest Holocaust monster since Mengele was to be hanged.An interesting blog entry by Mr Buchanan and one that gives me some concern in the way the US justice system operates.
http://buchanan.org/blog/pjb-the-true-haters-1495

[LineDoggie]

I think "Dreyfus" goes too far, But I dont know all the evidence here.

I do know the US botched the first trial with tainted evidence & the Israeli Supreme Court said no way and released him. That speaks Volumes for them I think.

[Panchito12]

Dreyfus was a French Officer falsely accused of espionage.

Demjanjuk is a Ukranian who allegedly worked at a Nazi extermination camp.

I fail to see the connection.

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[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Dreyfus was a French Officer falsely accused of espionage.

Demjanjuk is a Ukranian who allegedly worked at a Nazi extermination camp.

I fail to see the connection.

http://rofl.wheresthebeef.co.uk/Thread%20Failed.gifThe connection is false accusation and victimisation.

[Panchito12]

The connection is false accusation and victimisation.

If true, then Demjanjuk needs to return to his country and defend himself against such accusations. That's what any innocent and honorable person would do.

There are witnesses and evidence that will testify it was him, and he can rebut such allegations, discredit testimony and evidence, and in turn provide his own supporting witnesses and evidence.

Simply stating "it was not me" just ain't going to cut it - in our courts of law or those of his country of origin.

[LRPV]

The connection is false accusation and victimisation.

Drawing a long bow there eh? You cite the Dreyfus affair on the basis of this article?:cantbeli:

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Drawing a long bow there eh? You cite the Dreyfus affair on the basis of this article?:cantbeli:A tale of false accusations and imprisonment I see the parallels don't you.

[toad]

parallels no.

[RoyB]

Funny that you compared him to Dreyfus, because I'm sure there is some conspiracy behind all this, trying to convict an innocent 89 year old man.

[LEGEND]

The connection is false accusation and victimisation.

Drefyus was accused, tried, convicted, thrown out of the French army and imprisoned in a hell hole because he was a jew. French military found the real spy and acquitted the real spy while fabricating evidence to strengthen Dreyfus's conviction. So in short he was a French officer who served his nation who got back stabbed by his commanders. Demjanuk was a nazi guard who lied about his background while entering the US and is under investigation for other nazi crimes and thus being wanted by Germany.

I fail to see any parallel here.

[Macs.]

because I'm sure there is some conspiracy behind all this, trying to convict an innocent 89 year old man.

And what exactly would be the reason... ?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Drefyus was accused, tried, convicted and thrown out of the French army because he was a jew. French military found the real spy and acquitted the real spy while fabricating evidence to strengthen Dreyfus's conviction.

I fail to see any parallel here.The Dreyfus affair was one of false accusation and conviction rather than that of persecution of a Jew. Anti-Semitic slurs on the man did emerge during and after his trial.

[LEGEND]

The Dreyfus affair was one of false accusation and conviction rather than that of persecution of a Jew. Anti-Semitic slurs on the man did emerge during and after his trial.

The only thing going against Dreyfus was that he was an Artillery officer and the information offered to the Germans in the "note" was about an artillery canon. Given the anti-semitic sentiment in France at the time it gives you room to wonder of why he was singled out of all the French artillery officers. But thats besides the point.

Do you feel that Demjanuk is falsely accused, if so it will be upto the German courts to find that. Its not that Dreyfus was falsely accused, anyone can come under suspicion. He was accused, evidence was fabricated and he was convicted. Demjanuk is being deported to stand trial in Germany. One was of an officer being back stabbed by his nation and thrown into jail after loyal service to his nation, the other is of a liar ss guard being deported. How are the two related again??

[ronnieraygun]

WHOA.



The spirit behind this un-American persecution has never been that of justice tempered by mercy. It is the same satanic brew of hate and revenge that drove another innocent Man up Calvary that first Good Friday 2,000 years ago.


This guy does not pull any punches.


Germans. The Juice. The Feds. The Dreyfus comparison, while intriguing, is far off the mark.

[Kaplanr]

It's still hard to believe all those retired NY Juices living in West Palm Beach voted for Pat the Ass in 2000.

[ronnieraygun]

The spirit behind this un-American persecution has never been that of justice tempered by mercy. It is the same satanic brew of hate and revenge that drove another innocent Man up Calvary that first Good Friday 2,000 years ago.


Am I the only one that thinks someone could interpret this as a patently anti-Semitic comparison? The spirit behind prosecuting old war criminals from the holocaust=Judaism=the people who crucified Christ. I don't have a dog in this fight, I just thought the quote was at the very least over the top.

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5518/jewgothtk1.jpg

[Mu-Meson]

^^ Oh man, awesome picture. F**king goth/wiccan/whatever morons.

[Panchito12]

It's still hard to believe all those retired NY Juices living in West Palm Beach voted for Pat the Ass in 2000.

Oh yeah, didn't you hear about their neighborhood association:

Jews for Buchananp-)

p.s I still can't get over how people found the "butterfly" ballot hard to follow.

[LRPV]

A tale of false accusations and imprisonment I see the parallels don't you.

Only at the most superficial level. But it's your ball...