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budanski
07-21-2003, 01:11 PM
www.strategypage.com (http://www.strategypage.com/fyeo/howtomakewar/default.asp?target=HTIW.HTM)

July 21, 2003: What is really happening in Iraq? The media make it sound like another Vietnam, with the Iraqi population sliding towards mass resistance as Iraqi society collapses in violent anarchy. But the reality is a lot different. Attacks on coalition troops are declining, the availability of public services is increasing and public opinion towards the coalition becomes more favorable each day. The gunmen who are attacking coalition troops are being hunted down and arrested, and huge arms caches found and destroyed.*

Actually, all of those trends ARE reported, but are buried in the far more numerous gloom and doom reports. This unsavory situation has developed for the usual reasons; bad news attracts more eyeballs than good news. And the news business is all about being a better eyeball magnet. Mass media has operated on this principle for over a century, or about as long as there has been mass media. Along they way, mass media moguls have invented the phantom crime wave (by simply reporting all the normal crime and dubbing it a crime wave), started wars (the Spanish-American War) and stopped them (Vietnam). The mass media have also given us vapid celebrities, sensational (but meaningless) trials and great success at combining "how low can you go" with "can you top this." From a marketing point of view, it works. But as a means of delivering timely, accurate news, it doesn't.

Much of the current reporting on Iraq warps the public perception of the past, as well as the present. The media plays down the fact that resistance from Sunni Arabs was widely discussed in the Pentagon before the war. But that wasn't a sexy story then, even though it is now. The coalition policing efforts have taken nearly a quarter million AK-47s off the streets, as well as huge quantities of RPGs, explosives and other weapons. Again, not interesting enough for prime time. Hundreds of Baath Party members have been arrested, including many senior people. Again, this is considered minor stuff. Every day, more neighborhoods get police and other services. But the reporting still tends to distort in favor of potential disasters that never seem to arrive. For example, power outages in Baghdad are an easy story on a slow news day. Rarely is it pointed out that Baghdad never had enough locally generated power to keep the lights on all the time. But as long as Saddam was in power, other parts of the country had their juice diverted to keep Baghdad lit. This meant Shiites and Kurds were left in the darkness so that Baghdad could sparkle. No more. Each part of Iraq is expected to take care of its own electrical needs now. Imagine the firestorm of protest if the old policies were continued in order to deprive the media of "Baghdad is dark" stories.*

A lot of the "combat" is now taking place in the shadows. Special Forces, Delta Force and SEALs are doing what they've been doing since before the war began; sorting out the Iraqi underground. This mélange of criminals, Saddam's secret police and various Baath Party big shots (including Saddam and his sons) terrorized and plundered Iraq and are trying to get back to the good old days now that the war's over. While it was widely reported that the Baath Party stalwarts and secret police were fleeing from the south and north to Baghdad during the war, few journalists asked the question; "where are these guys doing now." Technically, the ones who were on the government payroll are now unemployed. But this is where reporting, real investigative reporting, gets tough. The Special Forces are a notoriously tight mouthed bunch. Same with Delta and the SEALs. These troops have been chasing the bad guys, but aren't talking. And for good reason, as these fellows rely on surprise and superior information to obtain a lifesaving edge in combat. They don't talk because they want to survive their next encounter with the bad guys. However, it's no secret that few of the many intelligence units were sent home. The intel troops are now working on tracking down Saddam's unemployed thugs. The Iraqi opposition has no doubt learned that it is very risky to use any form of electronic communication. Meanwhile, the Special Forces and military intelligence troops have been creating a growing network of informers and anti-Saddam Iraqis. This has forced most of Saddam's supporters in the north and south to either flee or keep their heads down. But in Baghdad, the center of support for the Baath Party's dictatorship, there are still many true believers who want to get back on the gravy train, or at least draw government paycheck again.

An intrepid reporter could have discovered that the Pentagon knew all about the political, ethnic and religious complexities of Iraq. Numerous PowerPoint briefings on the subject have circulated in Washington for over a decade. SOCOM (Special Operations Command) has more Civil Affairs troops than it does Special Forces. And that's no accident. Special Forces has been practicing, for over half a century, to deal with what is happening in Iraq today. If you could get one to talk, they would tell you that they knew what was going to happen and they are on top of it.*

The Special Forces doesn't allow embedded reporters and usually operates at night. These practices do not encourage journalists to go after the story. Indeed, the story of Special Forces in Afghanistan two years ago has yet to be told. There, less than 200 Special Forces troops, working with the Northern Alliance, were all that it took to run the Taliban out of power. Iraq is not Afghanistan, but the Special Forces have studied both countries for decades and have a good idea of who is who, what is what and how it's all going to turn out. And then there's the tendency of Special Forces troops to halt journalists at gunpoint when the reporters get too close to an underway operation. Still, there are more accurate and newsworthy stories out there than those that try to turn Saddam's thugs into victims.

Its upsetting that our troops are still be shot at today. One soldier dead is one too many. But with over 150,000 troops in Iraq and reports of one here and one there. Even with that stat, a state like California would "kill" to have. I'm not belittling their deaths, but I do believe the media focuses too much on this.

usa320
07-21-2003, 07:37 PM
I agree...everytime there is an Ambush or protest, CNN jumps on it, but when they found the Centrifuge, the mobile labs, the mass graves, the Bath party officials, its lucky if it gets run along hte scrolling marquee at the bottom of the screen, more or less a full news story.

martinexsquaddie
07-22-2003, 03:56 AM
I think they main Problem is Bush said the war was over before it really was. The "resistance " does not need much local support to keep doing what it does and will probably get more support as leg infantry units continue searches roadblocks and mistakes are made. SOF can easily win against these guys but if you have had an influx of volunteers who want to kill americans thats going to complicate matters as getting killed does not seem to overly concern these guys. especially as in an urban enviroment you can't use overwhelming fire power unless you want to be accused of a massacre

Merik
07-22-2003, 04:10 AM
I think they main Problem is Bush said the war was over before it really was

No he declared major combat is over. That means no massed land warfare and 24-hour air support (correction air support is still 24-hour but not in a conventional way).

I agree totally with that article, the press doesnt know jack from ****. They manipulate the stories and/or they dont tell the stories that should be told.

Argyll
07-22-2003, 04:40 AM
Yeah Merik,like the Military only tell the truth!!!........wake up!
Define Combat?
Wrt the mobile labs,not conclusive evidence guys and too convenient a find,we can only find 2 poxy vehicles,and nothing else,why on earth would the regime leave 2 vehicles ,for all to see,yet we can't find any major production facility?Where did all thses supposed suspicious sites go to,you know the ones Colin Powell pointed to during the last week prior to the war,he was holding up Sat images that looked 10 years old for crying out loud,they were blurred and unrecogniseable,yet we're supposed to have these birds that can read car reg. plates.
I'm all for ousting Saddam and his crackpot regime,which is still not done yet,but using the threat of WMD was folly to say the least!

Merik
07-22-2003, 04:48 AM
Yes, the WMD issue was a reason we went to war with Saddam and HIS REGIME. Wmd was not the only reason why we kicked his ass, he was as cruel and inhuman as Hitler was and his killing spree had to come to an end. I dont give a damn if he didnt have a fully built nuke when we went in there, because sooner or later he would have had one and everybody knows it. And if someone dont believe that then they are either lying or they are French.

And yes I do believe my military because its the only thing that has kept this country from being overrun by genocidal maniacs and liberals. Plus Im in the Reserves, so back off.

Argyll
07-22-2003, 05:20 AM
Hey there's no need to get offensive,the point I was making is that the Military do not always tell the truth!!
The prime example was the downed Apache Longbow..........CENTCOM said they destroyed it,to prevent the Iraqis getting a hols of it.....days later is going through Baghdad on a flatbed!!
CENTCOM was full of inconsistencies Merik,it's called the fog of war.
Stop blaming everyone for Saddams regime,the whole of the west can apportion the blame,the US trained his SF during the 80's furing the Iran Iraq war,as did the UK,the Germans ,US,UK and the French sold him technology to start these bloody programs!
Every one knows it,but the point was it was supposed to be a "Clear and Present Danger,which to me sounds like an immediate threat,so immediate that NOTHING has been found.....No WMD's ,that's why they did not wait for UN backing...Intel said.............!!!
Sure he was a SOB who's regime was full of pure evil,but so is North Korea,and lets see how smug you are when you get sent there,and try and kick their ass!
The war in Iraq is not over by a long shot,I wouldn't exactly call it an ass kicking,cause he's still there,no WMD yet,no stability,no Law and order(some but not enough),very little trust from the Iraqis,91 was an ass kicking,but this time that ass is fighting back,and the casualties to the US will continue to rise,until Saddam is killed,or captured,preferably the first!
There are literally 10's of 1000's of ex Repuplican Guard and SRG out there very capable of waging a long term war

ESCOBAR
07-22-2003, 07:44 AM
Merik is right, major combat is over........its a Guerilla War there fighting now, i believe its time for the U.S to ask the UN to help wit peacekeepers. This will hopefully reduce casualty of US soldiers and will gurantee secruity.

Forget what happened before the war lets work together now...

usa320
07-22-2003, 11:57 AM
"US,UK and the French sold him technology to start these bloody programs! "

if we got them started on the programs then i would imagine that right there is enough to prove that we know he has WMD program.

You think we didnt keep reciepts?

Argyll
07-22-2003, 01:23 PM
providing the technology is not the same as having developed and produced the by products!
These were all on the basis of Western Intelligence.
Ok one real easy question for you?
Given that Israel was more at risk to these weapons,why have they never produced Intel, and hard facts! that they exist!,and if they were such as risk don't you think they would've done something about it?After all it was them who said to Saddam about his Nuclearr Reactor,no fuc*ing way mate,and bombed it !!

Seiyuuki
07-22-2003, 01:35 PM
Merik is right, major combat is over........its a Guerilla War there fighting now, i believe its time for the U.S to ask the UN to help wit peacekeepers. This will hopefully reduce casualty of US soldiers and will gurantee secruity.

Forget what happened before the war lets work together now...


http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=world&cat=iraq[/url]]

In another troubling sign, a two-car convoy carrying members of the International Organization for Migration were ambushed near the southern city of Hilla when a pickup truck pulled up alongside one car and opened fire.

The car collided with a bus. Personnel in a World Health Organization (news - web sites) convoy traveling behind the IOM vehicles treated three injured and took the Iraqi driver to a hospital, where he died, said Omer Mekki, the WHO deputy director in Iraq.

Both convoys were clearly marked as U.N. vehicles.

(The link won't work now, it's an old article from a few days ago)

I doubt the dissidents, fundamentalists or Saddams' sympathizers or whatever they are, would they treat the UN peacekeepers any differently than the current coalition forces in the country? Plus the fact that UN presence would increase the number of foreign troops in Iraq.

Merik
07-22-2003, 03:42 PM
Sorry Argyll, I am just tired of all these east coast liberals who keep basing the fact that we went in there because of WMDs and thats it. I didnt mean to sound defensive to you, or anyone else for that matter. Just trying to get a point across. My apologies.

Argyll
07-22-2003, 04:27 PM
No probs Merik ,and no offence taken!