Germanys 'new' U-212/214 Class Submarines (some big Pics)

[McLane]

Hi to all! I'm new at this Forum and i want to show you now some (big and small) Pics from the finest little Submarine in the world. It is the modernst-not-nuclear-powered-submarine in the world, but i think, you already know that ;) There is one ship in service (U31) and there are 3 more still in progress. The itilain navy become two more of these fast little ships - look at the lower Pics.

Greetings to all german users here - i'm german, too. :P

The biggest Pic at first, the others were a little bit smaller ;)

http://www.hdw.de/images/schiffe_big_real/big_318_11.jpg
http://www.hdw.de/images/schiffe_big_real/big_318_12.jpg
http://195.30.251.186/images/schiffe_big_real/big_318_1.jpg
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/type_212/images/U212_10.jpg
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/type_212/images/U212_11.jpg
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/type_212/images/U212_13.jpg
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/type_212/type_21214.html
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/type_212/images/U212_15.jpg
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/type_212/images/U212_16.jpg
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/type_212/images/type212_2.jpg
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/type_212/images/type212_9.jpg

Italian Navy-Ships

http://www.subnetitalia.it/todaro_2.jpg
http://www.subnetitalia.it/todaro_3.jpg
http://www.subnetitalia.it/todaro_6.jpg

If you want, i coul post some pictures of our older 206A-class Submarines, very ugly but still best of it's class ;) Last word: I'm very happy to be here :)

[Flagg]

Looks like a bloody spaceship....

quite impressive looking...who would have ever figured the Germans could build a decent U-boat? ;)

[easyand]

[quote="McLane"]Hi to all! I'm new at this Forum and i want to show you now some (big and small) Pics from the finest little Submarine in the world. It is the modernst-not-nuclear-powered-submarine in the world, but i think, you already know that ;) There is one ship in service (U31) and there are 3 more still in progress. The itilain navy become two more of these fast little ships - look at the lower Pics.


http://www.subnetitalia.it/todaro_2.jpg
http://www.subnetitalia.it/todaro_3.jpg
http://www.subnetitalia.it/todaro_6.jpg

quote]

Italian submarines woot woot

[easyand]

how many submarines germany have?

[Phoenix]

14 old 206A-class Submarines (30)
Armament: Torpedos DM 2 A3 , Mines

8-12 212-class Submarines are planned (4 ordered)
Armament: Harpoon , Polyphem , Torpedos DM 2 A4 "Seehecht" , Mines

Maybe 4 214+ ??-class Submarines with cruise missile but I think in a few years .

[McLane]

They have 13 Submarines from the older 206A-Class and this new One form the new U212-class ;)

The old one:

http://www.deutschemarine.de/80256B100061BA9B/vwcontentByKey/N25CHD3D404RRIRDE/$FILE/u-206.jpg

[Pille1234]

The very first picture is a class 209 submarine, not a 212 for German Navy.

[McLane]

Yes, you are right! I'll edit this....

[Harlequin]

Germany will receive 4 U212 Block 1 and 2 U212 Block 2 submarines rather than 8 to 12.

[McLane]

Any plans to get the U214-Class Ships? I never read somethin' about this. I think, the german navy will get only the U212-Ships, right?

[Harlequin]

Any plans to get the U214-Class Ships? I never read somethin' about this. I think, the german navy will get only the U212-Ships, right?
Yes, with some of the development for the U214's flowing into the U212 Block 2 boats.

[J-10]

I like above huge pics. :lol:

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/type_212/images/type212_9.jpg
The Class 214 submarine will have increased diving depth and an improvement in AIP performance.

Length overall approximately 65m
Pressure hull diameter approximately 65m
Surface displacement circa 1700 tonnes
Complement 27(+8)
Pressure hull Austenitic steel

Propulsion Permasyn electric motor
2×MTU 16V 396 diesel-generators
600-900V battery
2×120kW PEM fuel cell modules
Low noise skew back propeller

Armament 8×533mm swim-out tubes
(4 fitted with positive discharge for Sub Harpoon missiles)

[easyand]

some pics of Salvatore Todaro (S 526)

http://www.subnetitalia.it/u212(todaro).jpg

http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/fotografie/sommergibile/galleggiamento01.jpg

http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/fotografie/sommergibile/galleggiamento.jpg

http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/fotografie/sommergibile/galleggiamento02.jpg

http://www.marina.difesa.it/programmi/images/fotografie/sommergibile/todaro01.jpg

[McLane]

Very nice ship ;)

Have the italians many other submarines? What i mean is, germany has many submarines, but italy ordered only 2 ships, why? Small fleet of Submarines or not enough money to buy more ships?

[Xingbake]

Cooooool pics! I like the U boat from the very begining to now-a-days.

[J-10]

some pics of Salvatore Todaro (S 526)


Sexy pics.

[easyand]

Very nice ship ;)

Have the italians many other submarines? What i mean is, germany has many submarines, but italy ordered only 2 ships, why? Small fleet of Submarines or not enough money to buy more ships?

Actually we have 7 subarine in service,6 of the Sauro class ,very good submarines,builted between 1980 and 1993 and the first U 212,the second U 212 is still in costruction and we have planned other 2 U212.
Once time a submarine of the Sauro class stayed for 5 days under a battle group of the US navy without have been discovered!!

Sauro class submarine:
http://www.sommergibili.com/P8190077.jpg

[McLane]

It is not very small *GG* The german boats were build to fight in the East-Sea (is this englisch for Ostsee?), where the water is not very deep (sometimes only 20 or 30 meters). And the newer U212-Ships were extremly hard to detect - read the last posted articel on navel-technologies.com (last Page). But thanks for the info!

[easyand]

what mean GG?
PS:sauro class was made of 8 submarines the 2 older have been retired in 2002 and 2003

[DE_Six]

Good pics!! :D

I love subs!

[McLane]

Oh i forget that it is only used in german chats. GG means something like this -> :) [in german we called the single *g* as 'smirk' or 'grin' and the *GG* means a heavy smirk ;)] Sorry for that, i allready forget this :oops:

[Pille1234]

eastsea is good :lol:
Baltic Sea is what you're looking for

http://home.vr-web.de/~joachim.blanck/bilder/uboot01.jpg
http://home.vr-web.de/~joachim.blanck/bilder/uboot03.jpg
http://home.vr-web.de/~joachim.blanck/bilder/uboot04.jpg
http://home.vr-web.de/~joachim.blanck/bilder/uboot05.jpg
http://home.vr-web.de/~joachim.blanck/bilder/uboot06.jpg
http://home.vr-web.de/~joachim.blanck/bilder/uboot07.jpg

http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_030611-N-5972N-003.jpg
a Danish sub?

http://www.eckernfoerder-zeitung.de/vpic/foto/2003/07/25/foto2003072501.jpg
:D

[deutschersoldat]

no its called baltic sea^^

[McLane]

These are german U206-Submarines, aren't they? I think....

Thanks for help @ Baltic Sea;)

[Pille1234]

These are german U206-Submarines, aren't they? I think....

Yeah, except the one lifted.

[usa320]

The new Virginia class ships in the US Navy are pretty good too...as are the Seawolf.

[Kitsune]

The point is not that they are sexy (which is somewhat debatable). The NEW (not: "new") submarine class 212 is much smaller and stealthier than any nuclear powered submarine, but the revolutionary fuel cell propulsion makes them not only utterly silent but enables them to stay (and travel) submerged for a few weeks without surfacing (much longer than the usual conventional submarines). This kind of propulsion may very well be the future.

[Pille1234]

I don't know what the future will bring us, but I'm confident that there will be space for both, SSKs and SSNs, since they are two very different concepts for two totally different tasks.
It's like saying hey, we have jets, they are the future so why do we need helicopters anymore?

[Lysander]

IIRC, the new sumbarines use Stirling AIP technology. I think Sweden was the first to use the system. Also, I read somewhere (can't remember where) that the new German subs will have "pods" that will be attached to the outside of the vessle and house decoys for enemy torpedos. Does anyone have any info on this? Picture maybe?

[Pille1234]

IIRC, the new sumbarines use Stirling AIP technology. I think Sweden was the first to use the system. Also, I read somewhere (can't remember where) that the new German subs will have "pods" that will be attached to the outside of the vessle and house decoys for enemy torpedos. Does anyone have any info on this? Picture maybe?
The Swedes use Stirling AIP for some time now, but the German subs use fuel cell AIP.
Don't know what you mean with attached pods. The countermeasures have their own tubes. I quote naval technology:

A consortium led by STN ATLAS Elektronik and Allied Signal ELAC is responsible for the development of the TAU 2000 torpedo countermeasures system. TAU 2000 has four launch containers, each with up to ten discharge tubes equipped with effectors. The effectors are small underwater vehicles, similar in appearance to a torpedo. The effectors are jammers and decoys with hydrophones and acoustic emitters. Multiple effectors are deployed in order to counter torpedoes in re-attack mode.

[easyand]

Other pics of Sauro class....

http://www.marina.difesa.it/sommergibili/images/longob.jpg

http://www.marina.difesa.it/sommergibili/images/dir009.jpg

http://www.marina.difesa.it/foto/images/035.jpg
I love this one....

[perdurabo]

Baltic sea is very hard sea! cold with damn short wave. We use here Kilo its quite big but it has no problems to hide here betwin mass of cold and colder water ;) its maybe not as deap as atlantic but its great place for submarines :lol:
Pity we have no money for something like U212 even for new Kilo :( and we build only 2 Gawron class corvttes (similiar to K130) :( damn it :(

[He219]

Nice pic's.

Does anybody know the current status of ThyssenKrupp Werften GmbH's attempts to gain on Chicago-based Bank One Corporation's (One Equity Partners) 75% ownership of Howaldtswerke Deutsche Werft AG?

http://www.janes.com/defence/naval_forces/news/jdw/jdw020315_1_n.shtml

http://www.janes.com/business/news/jdw/jdw040524_1_n.shtml

[Lysander]

IIRC, the new sumbarines use Stirling AIP technology. I think Sweden was the first to use the system. Also, I read somewhere (can't remember where) that the new German subs will have "pods" that will be attached to the outside of the vessle and house decoys for enemy torpedos. Does anyone have any info on this? Picture maybe?
The Swedes use Stirling AIP for some time now, but the German subs use fuel cell AIP.
Don't know what you mean with attached pods. The countermeasures have their own tubes. I quote naval technology:

A consortium led by STN ATLAS Elektronik and Allied Signal ELAC is responsible for the development of the TAU 2000 torpedo countermeasures system. TAU 2000 has four launch containers, each with up to ten discharge tubes equipped with effectors. The effectors are small underwater vehicles, similar in appearance to a torpedo. The effectors are jammers and decoys with hydrophones and acoustic emitters. Multiple effectors are deployed in order to counter torpedoes in re-attack mode.




I guess it would be the contaiers. Any idea of how they work? Are they launched through the tordeo tubes or are they mounted somewhere else? The way I understood it, the containes were mounted externaly. I could be wrong though.

[Pille1234]

Nice pic's.

Does anybody know the current status of ThyssenKrupp Werften GmbH's attempts to gain on Chicago-based Bank One Corporation's (One Equity Partners) 75% ownership of Howaldtswerke Deutsche Werft AG?

Last I heard is the deal is going to be finalized in october this year.

[FLaKKeY]

they look very small.. almost like the Original Electroboats..

[ZeroPositive]

Cool photos after seeing that one I wanted to go eat a hotdog....

[Pille1234]

I guess it would be the contaiers. Any idea of how they work? Are they launched through the tordeo tubes or are they mounted somewhere else? The way I understood it, the containes were mounted externaly. I could be wrong though.
It wouldn't make much sense to mount them externaly if you think about noise reduction and water stream. Though I have to admit I have no further information so I can only speculate about that.