Honor killing: Murderer hates the West, but accepts 300,000 EUR welfare benefits

[muck]

Gülsum S. († 20) had to die because her brother hated her Western lifestyle (http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/2009/04/07/ehrenmord-guelsuem/so-kassierte-guelsuems-moerder-den-staat-ab.html)


http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/2009/04/06/ehrenmord-guelsuem/guelsuem-11916706-teaser,templateId=renderScaled,property=Bild,width=227.jpg (http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/2009/04/06/ehrenmord-guelsuem/sozialamt-bezahlte-die-beerdigung.html)

Gülsüm S. - The funeral has been paid by the social office

As for social welfare benefits, was Davut S. (20) - the murderer of the beautiful young woman - a little more open-minded towards the German state. Davut S. has been living in Germany since 1996. His father Yussuf S. (49) who ordered the murder had moved to Germany then and sought asylum - as a Kurd in Turkey he would have been persecuted.

He was denied asylum, yet Yussuf S., his wife and the six children stayed - as tolerated asylum seekers. When his first wife committed suicide, the man quickly remarried and fathered five other children. According to "BILD" research, Davut S. has received more than 300,000 Euros of welfare payings from the German state ever since. The family has even received a permanent stay permit. The district's social office head, Andreas Mai, says: "Whosoever lives in Germany for more than eight years and has no previous convictions, automatically gets the permission to stay."



That's a fvcking disgrace. It only goes to show how ambiguous "hatred" can become.

Integration of foreigners should be a matter of mutual respect and not of one-sided tolerance. Demand and assist. What is depicted above is a perfect example of what happens when the state demands nothing in return for its assistance.

[derkrieger]

give the PKK terrorists back to Turkey, so that you can minimize or at least to some extent reduce these "honour killings".

[little icebear]

Another young woman who in fact would have enhanced our society is dead while her useless male relatives will live amongst us.
Fvcking shame. RIP.

[b0sco]

And the sentence will be... 5 years max with probation after 3 years in prison.

[deagle]

great, i guess ppl who murder and cause a rampage their 9th year can get to stay. if they committed a crime for a religious belieft, they should goto their homeland and face the consequences.

[Kit]

Germany, fix your system. Is there not any shame attached to this?

[cmoor]

That's 240€ per person a month, not that much money imho, 160€ if you include the 5 new children.

[gtnskymtyyp]

as a Kurd in Turkey he would have been persecuted.


now isn`t it ironic considering who persecuted whom?:roll:

[Fargin]

Honor killings is some bad ****. Most of these girls have been promised away since yearly childhood and families have already recieved money for the marriage by the time they get engaged at 14. At 18-20 the money are gone and some of the girls have gotten a taste of women's rights, possibly an education or a good job and now they are faced with a illiterate cousin who basically bought her as a wife and a ticket to the west. So the head of the family is in big trouble, because he sold something that legally isn't his.

[Mackie]

Germany, fix your system. Is there not any shame attached to this?

The problem is that we are pussies, never realized that every radical bunch must be defeated. The "good" thing is that most islamic fundamentalists are also antisemits forcing the government to react.
But I see a small change. It seems that the KRM(Union of German Islamic organizations) lost. Moderate muslims like Alevits are prefered by the German government and German Imams qualifie at our unversities are the next step.
The DITIB & Co. Jihadis will lose their influence in education.
Today the Islam in Germany is mostly controlled by the Turkish government (DITIB).

BTW: Only about 10% of German Muslims are organized in groups.

[matthew.manhorn]

Socialism = fail. Capitalism is the way to go in order to keep the hardworking+law biding immigrants and ousting the welfare sucking!

[deagle]

thats just dispicable. a fellow citizen murdering another citizen (that just happens to be a family member), enjoys the benefits of the state/home country, all while hating said country ??

[saladin]

father Yussuf S. (49) who ordered the murder had moved to Germany then and sought asylum - as a Kurd in Turkey he would have been persecuted.


Talk about unbiased media. The correct read must have been


father Yussuf S. (49) who ordered the murder had moved to Germany then and sought asylum - as a wanted terrorist in Turkey he would have been persecuted.


Well thanks for at least taking this scum to your country. One less terrorist to worry about. It looks like when they can't find other's babies to kill (as PKK does), they kill their own.

I'm sorry for the daughter though. She was unlucky to have such an animal as father.

[muck]

Talk about unbiased media. The correct read must have been




Well thanks for at least taking this scum to your country. One less terrorist to worry about. It looks like when they can't find other's babies to kill (as PKK does), they kill their own.

I'm sorry for the daughter though. She was unlucky to have such an animal as father.What do you know what we do not? I didn't hear that the father was a terrorist.

That wouldn't matter anyway because in Germany we have seen activity of nearly every terrorist group this planet has to offer, from A as Al Aqsa to T as Teyrêbazên Azadîya Kurdistan. Our most superior Muslim organization is led by Muslim Brotherhood lunatics.

[RSone]

What nutjob orders his son to kill his daughter. And what brother would think about killing his sister........... WTF?

[Niels]

What nutjob orders his son to kill his daughter. And what brother would think about killing his sister........... WTF?
Hey, respect man, they just come from a different culture and we have to understand that. Maybe if we try really hard for another 30 years, it'll seem like they fit in. The answer is more political correct multicultural everything-is-fine projects, diversity coaches and building more mosques. Closing the borders for non-westerners would just be racist, because our countries are like theme parks for others.

[Eztyga]

So did this create any outrage, or just apathy?

[Eye]

Socialism = fail. Capitalism is the way to go in order to keep the hardworking+law biding immigrants and ousting the welfare sucking!
x 2 .

[Weasel]

"Murdere hates that West, but accepts 300.000 EUR welfare benefits."

Bildzeitung. Demagogical rhetorics .

[tsuri]

Socialism = fail. Capitalism is the way to go in order to keep the hardworking+law biding immigrants and ousting the welfare sucking!

Not even the most ultra capitalist states allow people on asylum to join the work force. They all live on hand outs.

The father also talked his wife into suicide, at least that is what the evidence suggests. He even tried to declare her dead when she was still alive. She had become useless as she was so sick that doing chores was no longer possible for her.

Islamic fundamentalists have a rather interesting interpretation of respect and honor. Sadly, MTV is the only thing that can actually fix this.

[muck]

So did this create any outrage, or just apathy?No outrage. Any outrage about this incident beyond the sympathy for the victim was quickly condemned as bigotry. Such as down here:

"Murdere hates that West, but accepts 300.000 EUR welfare benefits."

Bildzeitung. Demagogical rhetorics .
By the way, Weasel; Do you really think the source for this news would change anything? To kill your own blood is a disgusting act, the motive is disgusting, and the fact that this guy accepted welfare payings by the system he claims to hate crowns it all.

[Eztyga]

No outrage. Any outrage about this incident beyond the sympathy for the victim was quickly condemned as bigotry.

Germany has no testes...:|

[derkrieger]

no the question should have been;
what does Germany know that Turkey does not, and hence fall for the lies of people who claim that they are being persecuted in Turkey?
My ass.
I seriously believe that Germany should have given him back to Turkey. There are two possible ways:
either he is not a terrorist THEN he is NOT persecuted by the Turkish authorities. Asylum status::: denied.
OR
He is a terrorist THEN terror cannot be condoned by the peace-loving German authorities, Asylum Status:::: denied.

It is what you seeded that you are reaping now.
I have the impression that even without having killed her daughter he was inflicting harm to the German society, not ONLY due to his financial cost to the Republic.
So it is you, as a citizen, that should have asked, it is the thing to do with my tax money?

Give back the PKK scum. it is so easy...

[Fuschimuschi]

So did this create any outrage, or just apathy?

The latter.
To be honest, this is the first time I hear about this case.

[Weasel]

By the way, Weasel; Do you really think the source for this news would change anything? To kill your own blood is a disgusting act, the motive is disgusting, and the fact that this guy accepted welfare payings by the system he claims to hate crowns it all.

I´m not thinking about what Bild is writing. It´s not worth the paper it´s written on. The correlation between the payed welfare and the murderer may only be obvious for Bild readers.

[DS73]

I´m not thinking about what Bild is writing. It´s not worth the paper it´s written on. The correlation between the payed welfare and the murderer may only be obvious for Bild readers.
You are the only one who is looking for correlation here. Everybody is outraged by the obvious fact that the biggot who ordered murder (I am sure he wasn't the only one, honor killings usually are "the community thing") was living, basically payed to stay, on state benefits.

The social system should help those who can't work, not those who refuse.
Assholes like you break not only that system but country as well. Be proud.

[muck]

I´m not thinking about what Bild is writing. It´s not worth the paper it´s written on. The correlation between the payed welfare and the murderer may only be obvious for Bild readers.Bullcrap. First of all: There is a correlation between the murderer and the money because he and his family received it. In case that's not what you've meant: Nobody and not even the "Bild" has tried to suggest a connection between the murder and social welfare payings.

[derkrieger]

You are the only one who is looking for correlation here. Everybody is outraged by the obvious fact that the biggot who ordered murder (I am sure he wasn't the only one, honor killings usually are "the community thing") was living, basically payed to stay, on state benefits.

The social system should help those who can't work, not those who refuse.
Assholes like you break not only that system but country as well. Be proud.

PLEASE BE KIND ENOUGH TO QUESTION WHY HE WAS ALLOWED TO STAY IN GERMANY FFS.
thank you.

[California Joe]

I´m not thinking about what Bild is writing. It´s not worth the paper it´s written on. The correlation between the payed welfare and the murderer may only be obvious for Bild readers.

Still making friends, eh Wease? :)

[62ECHO]

Hey, respect man, they just come from a different culture and we have to understand that. .
That's the wrong mentality, so one could the get away with saying that beheadings are part of their culture too??? I say bullsh1t, they (governments) need to be less politically correct, and grow a pair to top such "cultural" acts.

[muck]

That's the wrong mentality, so one could the get away with saying that beheadings are part of their culture too??? I say bullsh1t, they (governments) need to be less politically correct, and grow a pair to top such "cultural" acts.And here was I, hoping that Niels just tried to be ironic.

[RSone]

I think he was, and i'm hoping as well. Even in the Netherlands, this guy would have been pulverized by the prosecutors office...

[Toolhead]

What nutjob orders his son to kill his daughter. And what brother would think about killing his sister........... WTF?


savages.

http://members.shaw.ca/david.p.z.888/star_wars/pics/tusken_raider.jpg

[muck]

savages.How dare you say that savages are savages? The last time I tried that in these forums I was at the receiving end of attacks filling pages.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

The Sikhs and the Kurds always seem to be top of the league in the honour killings.

[Niels]

And here was I, hoping that Niels just tried to be ironic.
I thought it was obvious.

[Weasel]

Still making friends, eh Wease? :)

Friendship is overrated. p-)

[muck]

Friendship is overrated. p-)Seemingly you do overrate reasonable counter arguments just as well.

[Weasel]

You are the only one who is looking for correlation here. Everybody is outraged by the obvious fact that the biggot who ordered murder (I am sure he wasn't the only one, honor killings usually are "the community thing") was living, basically payed to stay, on state benefits.

The social system should help those who can't work, not those who refuse.
Assholes like you break not only that system but country as well. Be proud.

Assholes like me are paying 50% of their gross income to fill the social system. I´m not amused about this fact but I wouldn´t wanne change with one of the poor bastards needing social welfare.

[muck]

Assholes like me are paying 50% of their gross income to fill the social system. I´m not amused about this fact but I wouldn´t wanne change with one of the poor bastards needing social welfare.Your answer is far away from the point having been made.

[Weasel]

Glad to see we have different views of the world. :)

[muck]

Glad to see we have different views of the world. :)That has nothing got to do with different points of view. You're not coming up with any arguments other than that you dislike the source of this news.

[Ulytau]

Well i read worst..

Raping the girl before killing or if they cant find nobody for killing they kidnap the other families daughter.

As i read a Turkish Maroon Beret commander had kind of memory a man kidnapping someones daughter ''also she was little girl'' father going to commander and saying about issue;

Commander message is simple give back the girl or we going to take her.

Problem Solved

(Btw also the man dare to go near by commander of saying sorry but nobody cared him)

About accepting 300.000 Euro if they had connection with asylum issue ''seems they had'' my personal idea they have more at somewhere..

This issue not about trustin the girl its about they dont TRUST THEMSELVES.

If they really care about their HONOUR,doing illegal things are the honorful?

RIP the girl.

[saladin]

What do you know what we do not? I didn't hear that the father was a terrorist.
I know that Turkey is not prosecuting Kurds but terrorists.

[derkrieger]

I know that Turkey is not prosecuting Kurds but terrorists.
Yes you are right Saladin.
but
Turkey MUST BE prosecuting and oppressing Kurds so hard, that there are 80-100 members of parliament in The Grand Turkish National Assembly (read Parlament) of kurdish origin, who chose to escape this oppression by attaining the status and hence the immunity of a MP.

prosecution my ass.

This dude has duped the German Republic very probably and then went on to get her own daughter to be killed.

[Ritual]

You guys need a RL version of deathwish.