Gay Iraqis suffered brutal torture

[Gleipnir]

Bendersky Ari Bendersky – Tue Apr 21, 12:39 pm ET Over the past few weeks, news reports have surfaced about a rise in attacks and killings of gays throughout Iraq, where men—both professed and allegedly gay—are being targeted and harassed. But now there's a shocking new story that the men are being tortured to death in a most vicious way: by having their anuses glued shut and then are forced to consume a beverage that causes diarrhea, resulting in death. The International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission (IGLHRC) translated a report that appeared on the Arabic-language news station Alarabiya, which said:
"A prominent Iraqi human rights activist says that Iraqi militia have deployed a painful form of torture against homo******s by closing their anuses using 'Iranian gum.' ... Yina Mohammad told Alarabiya.net (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/po/ts_po/storytext/gay_iraqis_facing_horrific_torture/31735812/SIG=10mt0ob6e/*http://Alarabiya.net) that, 'Iraqi militias have deployed an unprecedented form of torture against homo******s by using a very strong glue that will close their anus.' According to her, the new substance 'is known as the American hum, which is an Iranian-manufactured glue that if applied to the skin, sticks to it and can only be removed by surgery. After they glue the anuses of homo******s, they give them a drink that causes diarrhea. Since the anus is closed, the diarrhea causes death. Videos of this form of torture are being distributed on mobile cellphones in Iraq.'
According to this human rights activist, for the past 3 weeks a crackdown on homo******s has been going on based on a religious decree that demands their death; dozens have been targeted. She says that the persecution of homo******s is not confined to the Shiite clerics. Some Sunni leaders have also declared the death penalty for sodomy on satellite channels."
Gays in many parts of the world face persecution, but this is just plain horrific. How can a society, especially one in which Muslim leaders claim that Islam allegedly doesn't preach violence, allow this to occur? How can world leaders stand by and not put an end to this targeted abuse?
The news that gay people are being attacked doesn't come as a surprise; the Muslim world is vocally anti-gay (the claim by Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that his country didn't have any gay people living there was absurd). Sure, many will say that there are bigger issues we have to deal with, but if we can't keep innocent people safe in their own homes, how can we call ourselves civil and human?
Obviously people are abused all over the world, but when something as shocking as this surfaces, the senseless abuse needs to be squashed. What sort of pain must these men endure? And how long does their torture exist before they're spared with death?
The IGLHRC sent a letter to Iraqi Minister of Human Rights, Wijdan Salim, urging her to take action to protect her country's LGBT community. With Iraq's current unrest, it's unlikely anything will happen to protect these people. Hopefully they will be given asylum to leave their country.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/po/20090421/ts_po/gay_iraqis_facing_horrific_torture_1

This is absolutely horrifying. Puts bugs in boxes in a new perspective. Just sickening.

[KEEPER0311]

Never mind.

[Redguy]

Despite how horrific it is, what can actually be done about it? Homo******ity is obviously looked down upon in their culture, and I'm not sure any amount of western influence is going to change that.

[gustav]

Thanks for the details of the said tortures. These guys are creepy.

That puts into perspective water boarding thats right.

[oldsoak]

Therein lies the rub.
Who do we think we are that we have the right to force change on someone elses culture from an alien viewpoint ? Even if we consider the barbarism we see ?
I sometimes wonder if we havent really changed our message to other cultures so much as our methods. In the old days it was Gold, Glory and G*d which justified gun boats blowing up the palace of the local potentate, ie our morals justified the actions. Nowadays we dont blow 'em up so much as arrange coups, apply sanctions etc according to what our "morals" allow.

[Bringer of Greater Things]

Despite how horrific it is, what can actually be done about it? Homo******ity is obviously looked down upon in their culture, and I'm not sure any amount of western influence is going to change that.


You rarely hear that argument on this site when the topic is how many Muslim countries abuse their women...
Human rights are supposed to be universal. As usual, the UN is ignoring this.
This is wrong.

[gustav]

Therein lies the rub.
Who do we think we are that we have the right to force change on someone elses culture from an alien viewpoint ? Even if we consider the barbarism we see ?
I sometimes wonder if we havent really changed our message to other cultures so much as our methods. In the old days it was Gold, Glory and G*d which justified gun boats blowing up the palace of the local potentate, ie our morals justified the actions. Nowadays we dont blow 'em up so much as arrange coups, apply sanctions etc according to what our "morals" allow.

The tortures commited in Iraq are part of a very long history of violence in this country (30 years of Saddam) and the US invasion didn't soften them up as we can see.

[FLYNAVY29]

Don't think I believe this story. While I admit this brings sick & twisted to a whole new level & sounds like something they'd have alot of fun doing, but, how can they sanction something like gluing butts shut & still condone "manlove thursday" in Iraq & Astan. But, thanks for posting this, when I wake up thinking about it it'll be on your head.

[gustav]

Report Shows Torture Is Widespread in Iraq

By Mark Kukis / Baghdad


The White House release of Bush administration torture memos marked another step towards closure in what President Obama called a "dark and painful chapter in our history." But in Iraq, torture is not a thing of the past, according to the findings of a new study on civilian causalities.

Published this week in the New England Journal of Medicine, the report examined the causes of death for 60,481 Iraqi civilians killed violently during the first five years of the war, using statistics compiled by Iraq Body Count. The findings are surprising to anyone familiar with the regular headlines from Iraq blaring explosions around the country. Executions with firearms, not bomb blasts, have killed most civilians in Iraq. Researchers say 33% of the victims examined in the study died by execution after abduction or capture. And 29% of those victims had signs of torture on their bodies such as bruises, drill holes or burns. Suicide bombers in cars or on foot were responsible for 14% of the victims in the study, while U.S. airstrikes killed 4%.

Undoubtedly many of the documented instances of torture came when sectarian violence raged at crisis levels for more than a year starting in 2006. At that time Shi'ite militias, chiefly the Mahdi Army, drew much of the blame for widespread torture and executions as Sunni militants developed a reputation for killing with bombs. But torturing has not been an activity just for militiamen and militants in Iraq. The Iraqi government has consistently faced accusations of torture and maltreatment of prisoners through the years — and still does. The most recent human rights report from the U.N. Assistance Mission for Iraq cites "continuing reports of the widespread and routine torture or ill-treatment of detainees, particularly those being held in pre-trial detention facilities, including police stations."

How widespread torture remains in Iraqi jails at present is not publicly known. So far, neither the U.N. nor the Iraqi government has made any verifiable statistics available. But few doubt the practice continues today among Iraqi authorities and criminal elements. Torture, of course, has had a long history in Iraq, achieving particular notoriety during the era of Saddam Hussein. Observers say the recent years of war have created a social environment in which torture can continue to flourish. "In Iraq, we can notice all these acts of torture were done by young ages, people between 20 and 30," says Nahith Noras Shaker, professor of psychology at Baghdad University. "It's almost normal for them according to the violence they have witnessed on a daily basis. How do you think a child will act when grown after seeing hundreds of torn and burned bodies?"


http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1892038,00.html

[LineDoggie]

1- This story doesnt pass the sniff test, in that thats a Lot of work just to kill a Homo******. Bullets are cheaper and the preferred method for 90% of Extralegal killings in Iraq.

2- "They" are killing Homo******s by Gluing their Anuses shut? and they do this by osmosis? I mean to do this they have to hold him down, spread his legs and cheeks and get down there and personally add the goo.


Sounds like they're pretty borderline ghey as well.

[California Joe]

Yup, pretty ghey way to kill a ghey dude. All that anal play and caulking guns and the frequent probing and checking to see if the glue is working....

By the way, by their standards, do they get a pass if they only f*ck boys on "Man Love Thursday"?

[Gleipnir]

This is (supposedly) the al arabiya article

http://www.alarabiya.net/save_print.php?print=1&cont_id=71071

The story is suspect, I wonder about the mobile phone footage

[Cstafford]

after reading this a Krazy glue commercial came on.....
Im just hearing about this man love Thursday ****, let me get this straight. They go around on Thursday night, and **** their friends, but its not gay because its Thursday and the anus is used for pleasure? wtf????

[Invisigoth]

They should take our shining example of how we treat gay people. Savages.

[LineDoggie]

after reading this a Krazy glue commercial came on.....
Im just hearing about this man love Thursday ****, let me get this straight. They go around on Thursday night, and **** their friends, but its not gay because its Thursday and the anus is used for pleasure? wtf????
Still apparently better at Hetero******ity than the Afghani's. Had a Bro on an ETT ride the back of a truck with his ANA charges. Lasted about 5 minutes before he jumped out. Said they were passing the youngest one around like an ashtray.

[gustav]

This is a "playful" video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83NAJ0vTelA

Graphic.

[Cstafford]

Still apparently better at Hetero******ity than the Afghani's. Had a Bro on an ETT ride the back of a truck with his ANA charges. Lasted about 5 minutes before he jumped out. Said they were passing the youngest one around like an ashtray.
Thats ****ed up, on the highest level. Thats something that can scar you for life.

[California Joe]

They should take our shining example of how we treat gay people. Savages.

You mean letting them get married? Yeah, we're truly evil pricks for letting that happen to them. *shudder*

[Winger]

Still apparently better at Hetero******ity than the Afghani's. Had a Bro on an ETT ride the back of a truck with his ANA charges. Lasted about 5 minutes before he jumped out. Said they were passing the youngest one around like an ashtray.

WTF! Excuse me while I go puke my guts out. :-(

[California Joe]

WTF! Excuse me while I go puke my guts out. :-(


Awwwwwww don't we have a delicate constitution.

[Winger]

Awwwwwww don't we have a delicate constitution.

There are many brutal things that I've witnessed and never lost it. But for some reason, stuff like this turns my stomach.

[California Joe]

Hahaha it's not a test.

How about rollercoasters? Gay rollercoasters? Riding rollercoasters while superglued to the seats?

[Aerosoul]

But for some reason, stuff like this turns my stomach.
Really? Off-topic but does anyone ever actually mean this?
It's the one figure of speech that I just don't get. Or like, or whatever.
Anyway.

Viva America.

[Hot Lips]

Why don't they ever just tickle people? That's torture. Sometimes I'm surprised I survived my childhood being the first grandchild among dozens of teenage aunts, uncles, 2nd cousins. etc. Heck, it might even make you tinkle to add to the frustration and embarrassment. Of course synthetic feathers would have to be used so Peta wouldn't get upset. And they'd have to be biodegradable to be Eco-friendly....

[Winger]

Really? Off-topic but does anyone ever actually mean this?
It's the one figure of speech that I just don't get. Or like, or whatever.
Anyway.

Viva America.

In this situation..... yes, it makes me ill/queezy. Go figure.

[California Joe]

Look, bottom line is, if anyone actually did this "gluetse" thing to anyone, they should be shot in the face, not paid by the US so they don't shoot at our troops.

There seems to be a strange "gay/not gay" standard among a lot of the countries over there. And yes, there may actually be something wrong with that.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Therein lies the rub.
Who do we think we are that we have the right to force change on someone elses culture from an alien viewpoint ? Even if we consider the barbarism we see ?
I sometimes wonder if we havent really changed our message to other cultures so much as our methods. In the old days it was Gold, Glory and G*d which justified gun boats blowing up the palace of the local potentate, ie our morals justified the actions. Nowadays we dont blow 'em up so much as arrange coups, apply sanctions etc according to what our "morals" allow.

Well Iraq has always been one of the most open minded nations in the Middle East under the Baath party and before. So it could be argued that it's the militias that are imposing their will on the people as opposed to it's what the people want.

[Laworkerbee]

Well Iraq has always been one of the most open minded nations in the Middle East under the Baath party and before. So it could be argued that it's the militias that are imposing their will on the people as opposed to it's what the people want.

I think you're mistaking "liberal" with "secular"

[California Joe]

opsecular...

[abu fahq]

Well Iraq has always been one of the most open minded nations in the Middle East under the Baath party and before.

I read some bs inbrief that a NG unit had made for their Soldiers and in it they describe the 3 types of gayness Iraqis had. Pitcher (male), catcher (male), and female. I hope they include this in all their future conops.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

I think you're mistaking "liberal" with "secular"

Booze, gambling, pubs, nightclubs. They were all there. Chicks had more rights then any other Arab nation.

[Laworkerbee]

Booze, gambling, pubs, nightclubs. They were all there. Chicks had more rights then any other Arab nation.

None the less, their society and culture are far from liberal; you're naming secular aspects.

Tell me about rights for minorities in Iraq or allowance for civil unions for gay people that existed in Saddam's Iraq.

[NUCKINFUTS]

There was a show on HBO about this gay soldier that went on deployments to Iraq and he talked about how he flirted with an Iraqi and the Iraqi flirted back to him. I got tired of it after awhile when I realized they weren't gonna talk about killing Haji.

[California Joe]

Not a gay soldier. He was a gay Marine. :)

[budgie]

This whole report falls under the category of hate crime. It's not a matter of what societies will tolerate or not - homo******ity is still a crime in many nations but there's no concerted government effort to start applying the anal glue.

The Jihadist-gangster types that have been flourishing in Iraq's lawlessness are the local equivalent of neo-fascists. They go out and look for victims like the common criminals they are. Just as gay-bashing still happens in western countries, the assault on homo******s is, as despicable as the alleged tortures are, just another brand of street-crime. These are just angry young men looking for an outlet.

[Cstafford]

T These are just angry young men looking for an outlet.
Or an inlet. OHHHHHHHHHHHH


no but this is really ****ed up, ranks right up there with beheading and "not gay" child molestation.

[LineDoggie]

This whole report falls under the category of hate crime. It's not a matter of what societies will tolerate or not - homo******ity is still a crime in many nations but there's no concerted government effort to start applying the anal glue.

The Jihadist-gangster types that have been flourishing in Iraq's lawlessness are the local equivalent of neo-fascists. They go out and look for victims like the common criminals they are. Just as gay-bashing still happens in western countries, the assault on homo******s is, as despicable as the alleged tortures are, just another brand of street-crime. These are just angry young men looking for an outlet.


Your right, some Midnight Basketball and Counseling will set them on the Straight and Narrow :roll: Because the region has no history of Barbarous acts for ****s and giggles

[Dominique]

I got tired of it after awhile when I realized they weren't gonna talk about killing Haji.

:roll: So, unless they're talking about killing "Haji's" you lost all interest?

[Cstafford]

:roll: So, unless they're talking about killing "Haji's" you lost all interest?
He is 18, that means he has 18 seconds of interest in something if it doesn't retain to killing, ****, drinking, and masturbation.

[budgie]

Your right, some Midnight Basketball and Counseling will set them on the Straight and Narrow :roll: Because the region has no history of Barbarous acts for ****s and giggles


Just saying that though these attacks are in danger of being misrepresented as persecution - some sort of coordinated "Islamofascist" effort. They're not - it's street crime, that's all. Probably made more possible by the order-vaccuum in Iraq.

[SOG]

Let me fix that for yah:


The tortures committed in the middle east are part of a very long history of violence (thousands of years) and the US invasion didn't change that in 8 years.

I totally agree with you but this has been going on for ages upon ages especially in regards to homo******s in the middle east. I'd wager they've been persecuted longer than Christians have in the region pending the society. But then again these people stone unclean women and go to war over the virginity of a boys butt. So.... eh.

I can't find that story, something about two village chiefs in Afghanistan fighting over a boy they wanted to have *** with, a soviet era tank was even used in the fight...

[Smitty_Damitty]

I cry bullsh*t. There may be some degree of persecution in the bigger cities, I'm not really too knowledgeable to that degree. However, in the surrounding towns and suburbs, all the men are basically closet homos (Ficky, ficky mista???). Terrible if true though.