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06-27-2004, 03:45 PM
Casualties reported in attack on IDF post in Gush Katif
By ARIEH O'SULLIVAN

A mysterious explosion ripped through an IDF outpost in Gush Katif in the Gaza Strip Sunday night wounding a number of soldiers, military sources said. Contrary to earlier reports, the number of casualties is now reported to stand at about 10 soldiers, all of whom have been evacauted to hospital.

Initial reports said the explosion might have been caused by a tunnel dug underneath the position.

Channel Two reported that Fatah Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades, Hamas and Islamic Jihad have all claimed responsibility for the attack, saying they had blown up the position from underneath. Initial reports said the explosion might have been caused by a tunnel underneath the position.

Army Radio reported that dozens of people were wounded by the explosion. The extent of their wounds was not immediately known. But Yehuda Shoshani, head of the Magen David Adom in the south, said that the number may not be so high.

Speaking to Channel 10 from the outpost, he said that there were a number of troops trapped in the wreckage. "I can see that one of its wings has collapsed," Shoshani said.

The wounded are being evacuated to Beer Sheba's Soroka Hospital. Only bullet proofed ambulances are being allowed into the area.

The IDF rushed medical crews and forces to the site of the explosion, military sources in the Gaza Strip said. Some reports said that the evacuation was being hampered by heavy gunfire and mortars on the site, but military sources could not confirm this.

The explosion happened at a fortified outpost at the Gush Junction sitting on the main north-south artery in the Gaza Strip. There were soldiers said to be trapped in the collapsed structure, military sources said.

If a confirmed attack, it would be the first successful bombing since Palestinians blew up an armored personnel carrier on May 12 along the Philadelphia corridor separating Egypt from the Gaza Strip. Five soldiers were killed in that explosion.

Palestinians have in the past burrowed tunnels underneath outposts in the past, including under the Termit outpost along the Philadelphia corridor in Rafah. This would be the first time that the method was used in the Gush Katif region.

While a victory for Palestinian terrorists, it also shows the difficulty they have in carrying out attacks outside of the heavily guarded Gaza Strip.

Channel One said the position was "totally destroyed" and that the explosion was extremely large. Military sources told the TV that there was no specific intelligence warning for this army position.

MDA said its ambulances were not being allowed into the area as a gun battle was taking place at the scene. Israel Radio reported a heavy exchange of fire between Palestinians and IDF forces in the area, hampering efforts to rescue wounded soldiers. Mortars are also being fired at forces in the area.

MDA also said that some soldiers may be trapped underneath a collapsed structure, possible a lookout position.

Gaza Strip Regional Council head Avner Shimoni, who was close to the site, told Israel the incident was "very serious". Shimoni said Gaza residents have been told to stay indoors.


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1088305778186


Explosion rocks IDF position in Gaza

First report: Dozens of causalities in blast under army outpost near Kissufim artery. Others could be trapped under rubble.
Amir Buhbut

First report: A huge blast in an IDF position in the Gaza Strip caused dozens of causalities tonight. According to army officials, the explosion was most likely caused by a detonation of a tunnel rigged with explosives, which was dug under the outpost.

The explosion severely damaged the outpost and there are reports indicating that many are still trapped under the rubble. Hamas and the Fatah’s al-Aqsa Brigades both claimed responsibility for the attack.

Heavy exchanges of fire are currently reported in the area.

http://www.maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=9108


Dozens of injuries in Gush Katif

By Nir Hasson Haaretz Correspondents and Haaretz Service

Five Israel Defense Forces soldiers were injured Sunday evening after an explosion went off at an army outpost located near the Gush Katif Junction in the Gaza Strip. Two additional soldiers were said to be trapped under the rubble of the outpost.

According to initial reports, the blast was set off by explosives planted in a tunnel dug near the base. "There are a lot of people injured at the scene," said Yeruham Mendola, a spokesman for the Magen David rescue service.

Palestinian gunmen were firing at rescue forces as they attempted to evacuate the injured form the site of the attack.

Channel Two reported that Hamas and Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

The outpost hit is located at the junction of the Kissufim road and the Tanjer route, on which both Israelis and Palestinians frequently travel.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/444106.html

Marsuitor
06-27-2004, 03:59 PM
*Waits for the oncoming operations...*
Hope no one was killed, and that the culprits involved get what they deserve.

Sayeret
06-27-2004, 04:11 PM
I just heard that four people were wounded and one soldier is stuck under some rubble. I don't know how accurate it is though.

SeanAshi
06-27-2004, 04:45 PM
Waits for the oncoming operations...* I'm sure Apaches are over Gaza as we speak.

b.scheller
06-27-2004, 04:49 PM
i pray for the brave soldiers of the IDF, may God protect them

Moledet
06-27-2004, 04:54 PM
5 IDF soldiers were injured one is stuck, but he is alive and fine and two Palestinians were killed (so far).

AirZone
06-27-2004, 04:57 PM
We can rest assurd that our rescue unit will get him out... we have one of the best in the world.

sad, sad day...

Seraphim
06-27-2004, 05:02 PM
Report: 5 Israeli Troops Killed in Blast



http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040627/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_gaza_explosion_5

Moledet
06-27-2004, 05:05 PM
Report: 5 Israeli Troops Killed in Blast



http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040627/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_gaza_explosion_5
Bull****. they were not killed, 4 are lightly injured and one is injured badly but there's no risk for his life.

Seraphim
06-27-2004, 05:07 PM
Yeah Im guessing your news in Israel would be more accurate.

AirZone
06-27-2004, 05:20 PM
Yeah... first they said some thing about 30 casualties then i saw in fox news 5 died then i saw in our news the real number

big mess :|

Mongrel
06-27-2004, 05:36 PM
I thought Israel was a safe place to live? :(
This is troubling.
M.

Seraphim
06-27-2004, 05:42 PM
I thought Israel was a safe place to live? :(
This is troubling.
M.

Where have you been in the past of...say your whole life?

Moledet
06-27-2004, 06:07 PM
I thought Israel was a safe place to live? :(
This is troubling.
M.
First, a military compund was hurt.
Second, yes we are very safe, it happend in a place that seperates the Gaza Strip to two parts, it's a pretty "hot" zone.

IDFM203
06-27-2004, 06:23 PM
May those brave soldiers rest in peace :(

Now I don’t mean to be callous and as a soldier myself (and one that has a brother now serving as well) I certainly feel what they are going through, however this incident only highlights to me how the Plai’s are now forced due to our actions to go after IDF positions since they are very hampered at getting at our civilians or infiltrating our cities.

Its hard to explain this point, but since they are raging a war against us, I’d rather it be our soldiers there fighting and dying then our civilians being constantly blown up or shot at.


I thought Israel was a safe place to live? :(
This is troubling.
M.It is, for example, In statistical numbers in percentages in per capita, I believe Israelis are safer then most Americans and Canadians are due to the violent crimes that cause many deaths in those nations.

Now perhaps that wasn’t the case before two years before the IDF went on the offensive, though since we have and since as a result violent terrorists acts against Israelis are down by over 70 percent, well what I just said above might indeed be correct.

However for us that safety indeed comes at a HUGE price in the terms of the huge amount we spend on the military (non-withstanding what we get from the U.S.) and also the fact that all Israelis must serve, and the damaging effects all that has on our economy, not to mention all the security measures that need to be in place in all facets of Israeli life.


Shalom :D

Sayeret
06-27-2004, 06:40 PM
I thought Israel was a safe place to live?
This is troubling.
M.

Pretty obnoxious thing to say at a time like this, isn't it?

UoUo
06-27-2004, 06:47 PM
Most of you people don't no how israel even look like..and you don't know the how things work...the blast were in gaza....that not mean that israel isn't safe place....

BTW : you have more chance to die in a car crash in you country then dieing from bomb in Israel.

לישראלים..אני מקווה שזה לא מצב כמו שהיה אז עם הנגמש שאמרו שיש פצועים ולא רצו לגלות שבעצם כולם הרוגים.

Moledet
06-27-2004, 06:50 PM
Most of you people don't no how israel even look like..and you don't know the how things work...the blast were in gaza....that not mean that israel isn't safe place....

BTW : you have more chance to die in a car crash in you country then dieing from bomb in Israel.

לישראלים..אני מקווה שזה לא מצב כמו שהיה אז עם הנגמש שאמרו שיש פצועים ולא רצו לגלות שבעצם כולם הרוגים.
ישר אמרו אז שיש הרוגים, עובדה שהחיילים ישר קיבלו SMS
מהמשפחות שלהם שאמר להם שנהרגו חיילים בנגמ"ש.

UoUo
06-27-2004, 06:51 PM
Most of you people don't no how israel even look like..and you don't know the how things work...the blast were in gaza....that not mean that israel isn't safe place....

BTW : you have more chance to die in a car crash in you country then dieing from bomb in Israel.

לישראלים..אני מקווה שזה לא מצב כמו שהיה אז עם הנגמש שאמרו שיש פצועים ולא רצו לגלות שבעצם כולם הרוגים.
ישר אמרו אז שיש הרוגים, עובדה שהחיילים ישר קיבלו SMS
מהמשפחות שלהם שאמר להם שנהרגו חיילים בנגמ"ש.
ביום השני בתקרית השנייה בהתחלה אמרו שיש רק נפגעים

Mongrel
06-27-2004, 08:52 PM
I wasn't trying to offend anyone, I was only asking a question in reffrence that I posed to Moledet on another topic. He said Israel is safe, and I found this to be questionable..as I do now.

Sure I live in Canada and I don't live in Israel so I don't understand how one could be safe in what looks like a war zone or a 'nation under siege', as seen in the media day in and day out 24/7 for the past quad decades of my life.

That's all...just a humble question/liined with an observation.
:hug:
Cheers!
M.

tacticalmanta
06-27-2004, 08:57 PM
I wasn't trying to offend anyone, I was only asking a question in reffrence that I posed to Moledet on another topic. He said Israel is safe, and I found this to be questionable..as I do now.

Sure I live in Canada and I don't live in Israel so I don't understand how one could be safe in what looks like a war zone or a 'nation under siege', as seen in the media day in and day out 24/7 for the past quad decades of my life.

That's all...just a humble question/liined with an observation.
:hug:
Cheers!
M.

Well a good portion of the Taliban got nice visas to Canada...

Moledet
06-27-2004, 09:06 PM
I wasn't trying to offend anyone, I was only asking a question in reffrence that I posed to Moledet on another topic. He said Israel is safe, and I found this to be questionable..as I do now.

Sure I live in Canada and I don't live in Israel so I don't understand how one could be safe in what looks like a war zone or a 'nation under siege', as seen in the media day in and day out 24/7 for the past quad decades of my life.

That's all...just a humble question/liined with an observation.
:hug:
Cheers!
M.
You are welcome to come here and see for yourself that we are not a "nation uder siege", for example: This month we had three pestivals (food pestival, Tapuzina active and Gay pride parade) and probably dozens if not hundreds of parties in clubs.

P.S. Israeli cities doesn't look like Palestinian ciites at all.

Mongrel
06-27-2004, 09:09 PM
Well a good portion of the Taliban got nice visas to Canada...

They where already Canadian citizens. So unless they are proven to have activities to terrorist groups we are stuck with them, but you can bet they are being watched real close.

Also we are not surrounded by nations that want to push us into the sea.
I consider hostile military action towards oneself more of a threat then random accidents.

Cheers!
M.

tacticalmanta
06-27-2004, 09:11 PM
does Canada officially consider Hamas and Hizbullah terrorist groups?

Mongrel
06-27-2004, 09:15 PM
Here is the big list, an interesting read...see # 13, and #16.

http://www.psepc-sppcc.gc.ca/national_security/counter-terrorism/Entities_e.asp

Cheers!
M.

tacticalmanta
06-27-2004, 09:16 PM
nice, thank you for the info!

IDFM203
06-27-2004, 09:35 PM
Mongrel,

Listen yes Israel is surrounded by nations that wish to see it destroyed, and yes as a reason, Israel pays a high price in terms of what it needs to do to defend itself, however, the average life of Israelis now (though yes two years ago that was different story) is very safe and in fact most Israeli cities statistically I believe like I said before, you are safer there from violent terrorists actions then you are in American or even Canadian cities due to violent crime.

So yes Israelis do feel surrounded, but at the same time Israelis feel very secure due to the IDF presence and much so to the point where Israelis do go on and have very normal lives, much like you have in the U.S. and in Canada (I know I have been to both ;) ) and generally speaking must feel very safe now.

does Canada officially consider Hamas and Hizbullah terrorist groups?Well it took them a along time with regards to hisbullah and I believe it was only a couple of years ago that the Canadian government did change their positions (finnaly though yes it was the correct move).

Lastly, Muslim mid-east violence isn’t limited to only the mid-east, I mean just for an example a few years back at a university in Montreal when thousands of Muslims and (left leaning Canadians) rioted in the streets there and broke the glass of the school there and threw things at cops and forced the Jews to stay huddled in the school fearful to leave, all because a former Israeli prime Minster came to visit :roll:

Shalom :D

SeanAshi
06-27-2004, 09:41 PM
P.S. Israeli cities doesn't look like Palestinian ciites at all.
How's Beirut looking these days?

Moledet
06-27-2004, 09:52 PM
P.S. Israeli cities doesn't look like Palestinian ciites at all.
How's Beirut looking these days?
Dunno, it's in Lebanon, but they built some beautiful palaces on the mountains of Lebanon.

Mongrel
06-27-2004, 09:56 PM
tacticalmanta wrote:

nice, thank you for the info!

M: Thank you for the question..I learned lots by answering it also...there are groups on that list and descriptions I had no idea about.

IDFM203 wrote:

Lastly, Muslim mid-east violence isn’t limited to only the mid-east, I mean just for an example a few years back at a university in Montreal when thousands of Muslims and (left leaning Canadians) rioted in the streets there and broke the glass of the school there and threw things at cops and forced the Jews to stay huddled in the school fearful to leave, all because a former Israeli prime Minster came to visit

M:You can be sure not all of Canada is represented by those thugs.

Maybe it is a side effect of our non-homogenious identity...Canada is a Mosaic, and methinks still young and confused about its identity.

Here everyone has an opinon which is good, but often they are opinions from ignorance or fear carried over from "the old country".

We also don't have need for security check points in the citys, and armed military roaming about making sure everyone isn't planning to blow something up.

So far we are lucky...for now.

Thank you for your patience on this topic, and yes my condolance to those lost in the attack.

Cheers!
M.

IDFM203
06-27-2004, 10:13 PM
Thanks for your reasoned reply, its always refreshing to see it not degenerate into flames.

M:You can be sure not all of Canada is represented by those thugs. .I hope not, but it is sad that even in North America it can be allowed degenerate to that level where there are full scale riots and throwing things at police and breaking glass windows and have the Jews fearful huddled inside out of fear for leaving lest they have their own lives in danger :roll:


We also don't have need for security check points in the citys, and armed military roaming about making sure everyone isn't planning to blow something up.yes but you do have police roaming around all the time trying to prevent violent crime and protecting the generl populace from violent criminals.

Anyways yes there is differnces.

Listen indeed like I said, we do pay a higher price, with all the checkpoints, all the security checks at restaurants and bars and just in general in all public buildings, but overall, especially in the past year, the level of terrorists violence against Israeli civilians has been reduced by over 70 percent and that is all because of the IDF and shin bet actions, so in general must Israelis are very safe and feel that way and life is very normal and feels like any other western nation, well for the most part ;)


And like I keep on repeating, I believe statistically speaking you have a higher chance of being murdered in the U.S. and in Canada from violent criminals then you do of dying in a homicide bombing from terrorists in Israel (again thanks to the IDF actions it is much safer).

Shalom :D

Marsuitor
06-28-2004, 12:07 PM
Hey, sorry if i'm hijacking here, but i've got a little request for you Israelis. I'm thinking of working a kibbutz or joining the Magen David program for six months to learn the language and see some of the country. Anyone have some advice? I'd really apprectiate a PM
Please carry on with the discussion.

Cheers,
Marcus