Iraq Militants Threaten to Kill U.S. Marine -- UPDATED

[Seraphim]

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Arab television broadcast videotape Sunday of two hostages said to be of Pakistani origin, one of them a blindfolded U.S. Marine militants claimed to have lured from his base and taken captive. Insurgents threatened to behead them both.



Also, militants hit a U.S. Air Force transport plane with small arms fire after takeoff from Baghdad's airport, killing a passenger and forcing the aircraft to return. Turkey rejected demands by militants who threatened to behead three Turkish hostages unless Turkish companies cut ties to U.S. forces.


There was no immediate comment from the U.S. military about the Marine captive shown on the Al-Jazeera network, but the video showed a card identifying the man by a Pakistani name and as an "active duty" Marine. The man had a trimmed mustache and his eyes were covered with a white blindfold.


Al-Jazeera said the group demanded the release of all Iraqis "in occupation jails" or the man would be killed.


The group identified itself as "Islamic Response," the security wing of the "National Islamic Resistance — 1920 Revolution Brigades" referring to the uprising against the British after World War I.


The group, which has claimed responsibility for previous anti-American attacks, was first heard from in an Aug. 12 statement in which it claimed the United States was hiding its casualty tolls in Iraq (news - web sites) to help President Bush (news - web sites)'s election chances.


U.S. officials believe the insurgency consists of several groups with different ideologies, among them Arab nationalists, former Baath Party members and Islamic extremists.


Earlier Sunday, another Pakistani hostage was shown on a tape broadcast by a different Arab television station, Al-Arabiya. Four masked gunmen threatened to decapitate him if American troops don't release prisoners in several areas of central Iraq within the next three days.


It was unclear how either set of kidnappers was linked to Jordanian terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who claimed responsibility for the decapitation deaths of American Nicholas Berg and South Korean Kim Sun-il last week.


In Baghdad, meanwhile, an American soldier was killed Sunday when a rocket slammed into a U.S. base on the southeastern outskirts of the city, the military said.


Threats against hostages as well as attacks on U.S. and Iraqi security forces have accelerated as Iraq's interim government prepares to assume sovereignty Wednesday.


Gunmen dressed in black killed six soldiers of the Iraqi National Guard, formerly the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps, and wounded four others at a checkpoint in Jalawla, 75 miles northeast of Baghdad.


The U.S. Air Force C-130 was flying about 12 miles west of Baghdad when it received small arms fire about 5 p.m., U.S. officials said. The plane returned to Baghdad International Airport, and a wounded person died at a U.S. military hospital, the military said.


Attacks against U.S. aircraft around Baghdad have occurred before, although no fixed-wing planes have been shot down. The main road linking the airport to central Baghdad also has become increasingly dangerous because of ambushes.


In Istanbul, Turkish Defense Minister Vecdi Gonul rejected demands by al-Zarqawi's group for Turkish companies to quit doing business with U.S. troops in Iraq to spare the lives of the three Turkish hostages.


"Turkey will not bow to pressure from terrorists," Gonul told the private CNN-Turk and TV8 television stations.


The demand was issued as Bush and other Western leaders gathered in Turkey for a NATO (news - web sites) summit Monday. Turkey, the only Muslim nation in NATO, was put in a difficult position trying to balance alliance solidarity with national interests.





The U.S. mission in Iraq is deeply unpopular in Turkey, and it was feared that any killing of Turkish hostages could intensify anger against the United States.

More than 40 people from several countries have been abducted in Iraq since April — many of them released or freed by coalition soldiers. Several kidnappings have been blamed on the al-Zarqawi group.

In one of the hostage videos Sunday, a Pakistani driver displayed an identification card issued by the U.S. firm Kellogg, Brown & Root. His kidnappers did not say whether they were affiliated with any group. KBR is a subsidiary of Vice President (news - web sites) **** Cheney (news - web sites)'s former company Halliburton.

Unlike some previous hostage cases, the tape did not feature the banner of al-Zarqawi's group and it appeared to have been shot outdoors.

The masked gunmen, who held assault rifles across their chests, said they would behead the Pakistani within three days unless the Americans freed prisoners held at Abu Ghraib and three cities of central Iraq — Balad, Dujail and Samarra. The gunmen said they captured the Pakistani near the U.S. base at Balad, 50 miles north of Baghdad.

The hostage, who gave his name as Amjad, urged Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf to close the Pakistani Embassy in Iraq and to ban Pakistanis from coming to Iraq.

"I'm also Muslim, but despite this they didn't release me," he said, bowing his head. "They are going to cut the head of any person regardless of whether he is a Muslim or not."

Also Sunday, three rockets exploded near one of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s former palaces in the Green Zone, the heavily guarded headquarters of the U.S.-run occupation. U.S. officials said the blasts caused no damage or casualties.

At sunset, guerrillas fired a second volley of several mortars into the heart of Baghdad, killing two children playing near a bank of the river Tigris, an Interior Ministry official said.

Three mortar shells also fell in the northern city of Mosul, hitting an office of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, a pro-U.S. political party. One party member was killed and nine others were injured, including two civilians.

Also in Mosul, gunmen killed a policeman in a drive-by shooting, police said. In a separate attack, gunmen struck an Iraqi army recruiting with rifle-fire in another drive-by, injuring one guard.

[American Patriot]

I ain't buying this **** until I see video proof.

[American Patriot]

Not a Marine, a Pakistani driver.

[Seraphim]

Not a Marine, a Pakistani driver.

Yeah I just saw the video on CNN it said pakistani driver...didnt see the marine ID card, must have showed it on the first part of the video that I missed.

But then yahoo just put a headline

Arab TV Shows Tape of Marine Held Hostage

[usa320]

yep. Hes with KBR.

[Seraphim]

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[seruriermarshal]

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In fact I don't know why he is a marine , looks like he is a really Pakistani driver .

:|

[Seraphim]

In fact I don't know why he is a marine , looks like he is a really Pakistani driver .

:|

He is a Kellog Brown & Root employee

[J-10]

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A television image(TOP) aired by Al Jazeera June 27, 2004 shows a blindfolded man dressed in camouflage with a hand holding a sword above his head. A Marine Corps identity card (BOTTOM) named him as Wassef Ali Hassoun and Jazeera said he was of Pakistani origin. Al Jazeera television said a group calling itself the Islamic Response Movement, the security wing of the '1920 Revolution Brigades', had kidnapped the U.S. Marine after luring him from a U.S. base. Photo by ******* (Handout) Militants have kidnapped a U.S. Marine and a Pakistani driver in Iraq (news - web sites) and are threatening to behead them unless Iraqi prisoners are freed, Arab television reported on Sunday. USA AND GERMANY OUT *******/Al Jazeera Television via ******* Television

[Seraphim]

Sooo many hostage takings even the media has them mixed up.

[seruriermarshal]

I remember (before three days ?) We lose four marine in Ramardi , they lose some coats .

[American Patriot]

Keep us posted with details please :( :(

[Seraphim]

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[budanski]

Thank god they're not prisoners under american troops. Just be lucky that he's being looked over by these Geneva Convention abiding, Iraqi civilian loving freedom fighters. [/sarcasm]

[MEGR]

No barking dogs.. Phew. He should be fine.

[American Patriot]

I will pray for this man.

[Midav]

Bastards.

Hope this Marine makes it out ok.

[Sayeret]

CNN said


Report: Iraqi Rebels May Behead Captured U.S. Marine

its pretty stupid that CNN isn't calling them terrorists.[/u]

[ZeroPositive]

In the end it seems like they are just killing there own people... he must be a muslim himself... where is the real logic behind it :(

Poor sod....

[American Patriot]

Well, it's pretty obvious al-****eera is helping the enemy of Iraq again. Allawi should close down al-****eera Iraq offices if he has any stones.

When they received this tape at the least they could have blurred out the man's face and name. At the most they could have confered with the U.S. Military before sending it off to Qatar.

Their English website makes it clear which side they are on by using terms such as "US occupation soldiers" and "Iraqi resistance fighters."

[tacticalmanta]

CNN said


Report: Iraqi Rebels May Behead Captured U.S. Marine

its pretty stupid that CNN isn't calling them terrorists.[/u]

The Communist News Network sends it's editors to the BBC school of broadcasting apparently.

[Fioraon]

I have many doubt that he will make it out alive though I am sure neither will the beheaders in the end.

[usa320]

Hopefully they will do the same thing they did in saudi- upload the video onto the internet, therby giving away their location to the watchful NSA...

[pistol]

Well, it's pretty obvious al-****eera is helping the enemy of Iraq again. Allawi should close down al-****eera Iraq offices if he has any stones.

When they received this tape at the least they could have blurred out the man's face and name. At the most they could have confered with the U.S. Military before sending it off to Qatar.

Their English website makes it clear which side they are on by using terms such as "US occupation soldiers" and "Iraqi resistance fighters."

I agree. Al Jazeera essentially acts as enablers for these terrorist groups. The basic terrorist kidnap plan is as follows:

1. Kidnap someone
2. Put on mask, get some guns, make video with terrified captive and make some ridiculous demands knowing full well they won't be met.
3. Get Al Jazeera to play video
4. Kill hostage (and maybe get Al Jazeera to play this video too)

Without step 3, the whole process really falls apart. If these cowards can't get any attention, there is no point in kidnapping people. Not to say that it wouldn't still happen, however at least these people's political agendas would not be getting the type of attention they are today.

[MEGR]

I hope both hostages will make it out.. Hopefully they'll luck out like the Italians, and the other freed dudes. However, do you think that taking hostages is just a sign of desperation? Doesn't beheading just hurt their cause more? I mean, by now, like 100 car bombs, and 100s of dead civvies later, don't you think that they are losing support?

[usa320]

We should drop the E-bomb on Al-Jazeera's headquarters...

And they are using OUR satellites, so why cant we just take them off the air?

[cut]

CNN said


Report: Iraqi Rebels May Behead Captured U.S. Marine

its pretty stupid that CNN isn't calling them terrorists.[/u]

The Communist News Network sends it's editors to the BBC school of broadcasting apparently.

ALL the media is reffering to them as militants or kidnappers or guerillas, no-one is calling them terrorists, are all the media communist?

check them for yourself (http://news.google.com/news?num=30&hl=en&edition=us&q=cluster:wbex%2ecom%2fscript%2fheadline%5fnewsmanager%2ephp%3fid%3d323547%26pagecontent%3dnationalnews%26feed%5fid%3d59)

even your beloved FOX (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123879,00.html) news is reffering to them as militants...

[tuckerhat]

Stay strong Marine.

[Operation Ivy]

Poor Guys

[Romulus]

I hope these ****s know what kinda of **** storm Marines will unleash if this marine is beheaded.

[jizzmonkey]

I hope both hostages will make it out.. Hopefully they'll luck out like the Italians, and the other freed dudes. However, do you think that taking hostages is just a sign of desperation? Doesn't beheading just hurt their cause more? I mean, by now, like 100 car bombs, and 100s of dead civvies later, don't you think that they are losing support?

You know full well that these guys are as dead as "common sense politics in America", these guys dont kidnap people and threaten them in hopes of gaining political ground, Its propaganda, fact is, they probably allready behead him and will wait 2 more days to send it to aljazeera, they know damn well no one is going to give into thier stupid demands, all it does is insight other "jihadist" to join thier futile attempts at world domination!!

I say we start beheading Muslims here in the U.S, see what that does, I dont see to many of them condemning a damn thing latley!

[Angelino]

I say we start beheading Muslims here in the U.S, see what that does, I dont see to many of them condemning a damn thing latley!
Has it occurred to you that the marine in question also happens to be Muslim and Arab-American (The military is saying that he's of Lebanese descent according to Fox News and CNN)

[n4292936]

I say we start beheading Muslims here in the U.S, see what that does, I dont see to many of them condemning a damn thing latley!

:( :( :( Its not good to hear this kinda talk. Im sure American muslims.... most muslims period, condemn this kind of violence - its not just white America that finds it abhorent.

[jizzmonkey]

I say we start beheading Muslims here in the U.S, see what that does, I dont see to many of them condemning a damn thing latley!
Has it occurred to you that the marine in question also happens to be Muslim and Arab-American (The military is saying that he's of Lebanese descent according to Fox News and CNN)

MY point exactley, I am being sarcastic (kindda), you have to understand.... the only thing these people, and yes I do use the ANTI PC term "THESE PEOPLE", understand is a tooth for a tooth........

so some pissed off dogs barking at them and panties on thier heads didnt do anything but enrage the far left political opportunists in this country...... then maybe we do need some extremists of our own!

If you have a better solution besides the all to common "cant we all get allong" bull****, then lets hear it cause the more this happens the less me and my fellow soldiers are going to hold back!

[jizzmonkey]

I say we start beheading Muslims here in the U.S, see what that does, I dont see to many of them condemning a damn thing latley!

:( :( :( Its not good to hear this kinda talk. Im sure American muslims.... most muslims period, condemn this kind of violence - its not just white America that finds it abhorent.

WAKE UP!!!!

So far not to many american muslims are condemning a damn thing, and in most cases in this country when a muslim american has known of terrorist plots....they have all kept their ****ing mouths shut about it!!

Its because of people like you that THEY KNOW THEY WILL SUCCEED!!!

so you tell me that they ALL arent the potential enemy and I'll tell you you are an IDIOT!

[MEGR]

Beheadin muslims won't do squat. These terrorists believe in death. They are waiting to die.. They want the 72 virgins. They don't give a rat's arse if they or any other muslims die, they will be seen as "martyrs" by the muslim people. Humiliating them, i think was the best way to make these buggers tick.

[Angelino]

so some pissed off dogs barking at them and panties on thier heads didnt do anything but enrage the far left political opportunists in this country...... then maybe we do need some extremists of our own!

If you have a better solution besides the all to common "cant we all get allong" bull****, then lets hear it cause the more this happens the less me and my fellow soldiers are going to hold back!
And exactly how's taking out more Americans here going to help. What we need to do is go medieval on Fallujah -- no more playing games with those terrorists and they better understand that. Don't think they are going to stage any more hostage situations if they aren't breathing.

[Tane Angle]

Seems like a good number of American Muslims have cooperated. God human intelligence is irreplaceable, and the arrests that have happened didn't just happen. Often times, it's because someone goes to the police. As great as SIGINT is, it's not HUMINT. :|


If you have a better solution besides the all to common "cant we all get allong" bull****, then lets hear it
This is a bit of a stretch to expect, I know, but why not treat them with respect? Potential sources in the communities are more likely to approach law enforcement agencies if those potential sources have been treated with respect and feel that America is their home, and believe that they have something to lose if it is attacked. If we act hatefully, then they will very likely feel ostracized and that America is not their home, and believe have nothing to lose if they do not approach LEAs. People can be very defensive of their homes. If Muslims feel at home in America, and feel that they are not hated by the rest of America, then the odds of actionable HUMINT coming out of the communities increases. So play nice with others, no?

It's essentially some of the same rules that apply to cultivating a source, a contact, or agent.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[jizzmonkey]

Beheadin muslims won't do squat. These terrorists believe in death. They are waiting to die.. They want the 72 virgins. They don't give a rat's arse if they or any other muslims die, they will be seen as "martyrs" by the muslim people. Humiliating them, i think was the best way to make these buggers tick.

So you tell me how to defeat this disease.......

70% of the worlds population is Muslim...and growing... they have an endless supply of potential sympithizers......

what the **** do we do Devgru77?????

play along?????
not do anything??????
Do we turn the other cheek and respect freedom of religion????
because I do respect freedom, its what I fight for.....but it seems as though what I stand for in this case is being used against me!!

do you fight fire with fire????

give me a goddamn solution!!!!!

do I cut off muslim heads to show oposition???
do I roll over and hope the whole goddamn nightmare ends??

WHAT DOES ANYONE EXPECT US ABOUT TO CONFRONT THEM EXPECT US TO DO????

I WANT TO KNOW

[n4292936]

WAKE UP!!!!

So far not to many american muslims are condemning a damn thing, and in most cases in this country when a muslim american has known of terrorist plots....they have all kept their f*** mouths shut about it!! its interesting to see that you are privy to the FBI intel reports saying as much - do you have any other sources on that one? :roll: All the arab Americans I've seen on TV have condemned the violence - mind you, I dont watch alot of TV.


Its because of people like you that THEY KNOW THEY WILL SUCCEED!!!
glad to see that you feel that you can deduce the nuances of a persons personality from a single post in which I urge you to not behead people, and come up with a negative opinion


so you tell me that they ALL arent the potential enemy and I'll tell you you are an IDIOT! What I am saying is that they are not all enemies. The arab you may see walking down the street in America is no more likely to be a terrorist than the mexican on the other side of the road is to steal your hubcaps, or the white guy in the trailer down the road is to be a intravenous drug user and a white beater. There are bad people all over the world - they are not confined to a single ethnicity. That's all im saying.

[jizzmonkey]

so some pissed off dogs barking at them and panties on thier heads didnt do anything but enrage the far left political opportunists in this country...... then maybe we do need some extremists of our own!

If you have a better solution besides the all to common "cant we all get allong" bull****, then lets hear it cause the more this happens the less me and my fellow soldiers are going to hold back!
And exactly how's taking out more Americans here going to help. What we need to do is go medieval on Fallujah -- no more playing games with those terrorists and they better understand that. Don't think they are going to stage any more hostage situations if they aren't breathing.



tHE GODDAMN POLITICS WE PLAYED WITH THE WHOLE FALUJAH THING IS CRAP!!!!! SO NOW THAT WE USED THE "POLITICAL SOLUTION" SOMEONE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BACK INTO FALUUJAH AND MOP UP!!

THAT MEANS THAT GUYS LIKE ME ARE GOING TO LOOSE THIER LIVES BECAUSE OF IGNORANT POLITICIANS PLAYING ****-**** WITH MIDDLE EAST POLITICS!!!

BULL****!!

ARE YOU GOING TO E-MAIL MY SON AND TELL HIM IT WAS PRES BUSH'S FAULT HIS DAD MET THE ENS OF AN RPG???

WAS IT STUPID POLITICS ??

WAS IT EXTREMIST MUSLIMS???

WAS IT JUST PLAIN LACK OF BACKBONE FROM THE US OCCUPATION???

WHAT WAS IT??

I'M SURE HE'LL WANT TO KNOW.

[seruriermarshal]

Beheadin muslims won't do squat. These terrorists believe in death. They are waiting to die.. They want the 72 virgins. They don't give a rat's arse if they or any other muslims die, they will be seen as "martyrs" by the muslim people. Humiliating them, i think was the best way to make these buggers tick.

Because they don't know we have power troops , and weapons . look Japan in WWII , they believe in death , so we use 1000 B-29 attack them , now , we just need 100 B-52 , then those terrorists will know they are fool .

[Tane Angle]

70% of the world's population? My friend, I don't know where that number came from, but it is extremely off. It's closer to 1/4th-1/3rd, if I'm not mistaken.

What do we do? We need HUMINT, and not just any HUMINT. Good HUMINT. Actionable intelligence. We need billions, perhaps tens of billions of dollars to fund HUMINT and support networks, and we need our own people inside as well. Agents, sources, contacts, and various helpers aren't going to work for nothing, and sometimes 50,000 USD is the best way to win friends. Putting someone inside takes years, even decades, before good intelligence can be obtained from them. We're talking about working under legends, not just covers. The list goes on. Yeah, in case it wasn't obvious, I'm a big proponet of good HUMINT.

So what does the average civilian or soldier do? Sit on their butt and wait. Go about their everyday life; go to work or school, have fun, and don't worry too much. Perhaps be sure to not alienate or enrage the Muslim population by spitting on their cultures and religion.

Some of my closest friends are Muslims, some virtually family, and it is offensive to me for their religion to be so offended.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[vryhpyammoadded]

In an earlier thread I joked we should RFID everyone in Iraq. Now I'm beginning to think that maybe it's not a bad idea.

Your right, I smell a little desperation in these jerks. It's only a matter of time, what with the recent spat of beheadings and bombings of other nationals and now fellow Muslims, that they burn all bridges and some local kid wins the 10 million lottery turning them in. But then again, are the locals in such a state of denial that they believe in some fantasy that this killing of other Muslims is patriotic and right?
If so, then maybe now we see why Saddam was so nasty. If you make your populace that stupid, it’s no wonder you have to be that brutal to control them.

I hope a quick safe return home for these latest captives.

[seruriermarshal]

so some pissed off dogs barking at them and panties on thier heads didnt do anything but enrage the far left political opportunists in this country...... then maybe we do need some extremists of our own!

If you have a better solution besides the all to common "cant we all get allong" bull****, then lets hear it cause the more this happens the less me and my fellow soldiers are going to hold back!
And exactly how's taking out more Americans here going to help. What we need to do is go medieval on Fallujah -- no more playing games with those terrorists and they better understand that. Don't think they are going to stage any more hostage situations if they aren't breathing.



tHE GODDAMN POLITICS WE PLAYED WITH THE WHOLE FALUJAH THING IS CRAP!!!!! SO NOW THAT WE USED THE "POLITICAL SOLUTION" SOMEONE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BACK INTO FALUUJAH AND MOP UP!!

THAT MEANS THAT GUYS LIKE ME ARE GOING TO LOOSE THIER LIVES BECAUSE OF IGNORANT POLITICIANS PLAYING f***-f*** WITH MIDDLE EAST POLITICS!!!

BULL****!!

ARE YOU GOING TO E-MAIL MY SON AND TELL HIM IT WAS PRES BUSH'S FAULT HIS DAD MET THE ENS OF AN RPG???

WAS IT STUPID POLITICS ??

WAS IT EXTREMIST MUSLIMS???

WAS IT JUST PLAIN LACK OF BACKBONE FROM THE US OCCUPATION???

WHAT WAS IT??

I'M SURE HE'LL WANT TO KNOW.

Yes , we need freedom , but can't let those terrorists use freedom deconstruction freedom , so we need let those terrorists lose they freedom and life , It's for more people's freedom and life .

[Angelino]

Personally, I think we ought to flatten Fallujah to the ground.

[Angelino]

sorry about duplicate post. How the heck do I delete this second one?

[seruriermarshal]

Personally, I think we ought to flatten Fallujah to the ground.

Perhaps you are right .

[jizzmonkey]

70% of the world's population? My friend, I don't know where that number came from, but it is extremely off. It's closer to 1/4th-1/3rd, if I'm not mistaken.

What do we do? We need HUMINT, and not just any HUMINT. Good HUMINT. Actionable intelligence. We need billions, perhaps tens of billions of dollars to fund HUMINT and support networks, and we need our own people inside as well. Agents, sources, contacts, and various helpers aren't going to work for nothing, and sometimes 50,000 USD is the best way to win friends. Putting someone inside takes years, even decades, before good intelligence can be obtained from them. We're talking about working under legends, not just covers. The list goes on. Yeah, in case it wasn't obvious, I'm a big proponet of good HUMINT.

So what does the average civilian or soldier do? Sit on their butt and wait. Go about their everyday life; go to work or school, have fun, and don't worry too much. Perhaps be sure to not alienate or enrage the Muslim population by spitting on their cultures and religion.

Some of my closest friends are Muslims, some virtually family, and it is offensive to me for their religion to be so offended.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...


FRANKLEY... I DONT CARE WHO I OFFEND, CAUSE IF YOU ARENT GOING TO BE IN IRAQ WITH ME FLICKING THE SAND FLEAS OFF MY ASS..THEN I DONT HINK YOUR PC ADITTUDE IS GOING TO DO **** FOR ME..I KNOW NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD, BUT WHAT DO YOU DO.

THIS COUNTRY WAS STARTED BY PEOPLE RUNNING FROM RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION..... IT WAS GREAT....BUT NOW THESE PEOPLE ARE USING IT AGAINST US....DO WE DEPORT THEM TO CANADA WHERE EVEN TERRORISTS ARE WELCOME??

SHOULD WE ALIGN THE CANADIAN BORDER WITH THE HEADS OF MUSLIMS SO THEY KNOW THEY ARENT WELCOME??

I AM AN OPEN MINDED PERSON IF IT MAKE'S SENSE SO ENLIGHTEN ME???!!??!

[MEGR]

Well flattening Fallujah prob won't free these two guys from these monsters.

[seruriermarshal]

I thought Islamism needs a Reformation.

:roll:

[Angelino]

At least it'll make sure that they don't have a place to hold more hostages. Like I said earlier, they sure aren't going to stage any more hostage beheadings if they aren't breathing themselves. Sure, it might be a little non-PC, but I think they need a message here -- mess with us and lots of bad mojo will happen to you.

[Tane Angle]

YOU ARENT GOING TO BE IN IRAQ WITH ME FLICKING THE SAND FLEAS OFF MY ASS
Hi. How's it going? I'm in Iraq. Your posterior is your business though, sorry.


BUT WHAT DO YOU DO.
I work for a PMC. I'd like to think that I know two things pretty well: Shiites and hostage takings. If I don't know them, I should have been fired long ago. These things are not new knowledge around here. Many on here have known this for many months.


I DONT HINK YOUR PC ADITTUDE IS GOING TO DO **** FOR ME
It might not do much for you, but the hope is that it will help others. Also, I've never pretended to be PC. But if being polite and respectful wins me a new friend who I might be able to get a favor from some day down the road, then maybe it's worth it, no? Call in learned pragmatism, a survival skill. One need not be nice because they are naturally nice. But one must often be nice to survive, and to do one's job.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts....

[jizzmonkey]

Well flattening Fallujah prob won't free these two guys from these monsters.

OF COURSE IT WONT...
SO GUYS LIKE ME HAVE TO GO IN THERE AND CLEAR IT??

I ASSURE YOU THE PLACE IS ONE BIG FORTRESS BY NOW WITH KEY BUILDINGS ****YTRAPPED!!

WE UNDERESTIMATE THIER CLEVERNESS EVERYTIME!!

IT WOULD TAKE AN UNDETERMINED NUMBER OF GUYS TO SECURE IT... NOT TO MENTION THE LOSS OF CIVILIAN LIFE WOULD PROBABLY BE UNACCEPTABLE TO THE WORLD VIEW.

IT WOULD BE A NASTY DOOR TO DOOR FIGHT WITHOUT ANY RULES.

TRUST ME

[Zarathustra]

Im very pessimist for this poor guy

[Wilco]

Lay off of the caps for Jesus Christ!

"SO GUYS LIKE ME HAVE TO GO IN THERE AND CLEAR IT?? "

Being in the armed forces isn't all ****'s and giggles. Do your job, and if it has to do with clearing a ****y trapped city, so be it, I would be there right beside you every step of the way if I was old enough.

[jizzmonkey]

YOU ARENT GOING TO BE IN IRAQ WITH ME FLICKING THE SAND FLEAS OFF MY ASS
Hi. How's it going? I'm in Iraq. Your posterior is your business though, sorry.


BUT WHAT DO YOU DO.
I work for a PMC. I'd like to think that I know two things pretty well: Shiites and hostage takings. If I don't know them, I should have been fired long ago. These things are not new knowledge around here. Many on here have known this for many months.


I DONT HINK YOUR PC ADITTUDE IS GOING TO DO **** FOR ME
It might not do much for you, but the hope is that it will help others. Also, I've never pretended to be PC. But if being polite and respectful wins me a new friend who I might be able to get a favor from some day down the road, then maybe it's worth it, no? Call in learned pragmatism, a survival skill. One need not be nice because they are naturally nice. But one must often be nice to survive, and to do one's job.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts....

LOOK DUDE..

I DONT KNOW WHAT YOU DO OR HOW YOU DO IT...

BUT I DO KNOW THAT MY PATTIENCE HAS BEEN WORN THIN FOR A LONG TIME...

I HAVE 11 GUYS I HAVE TO BRING HOME ALIVE... AND A SON I HAVE TO COME HOME TO....THAT DOESNT MEAN STAYING IN THE "GREEN ZONE" WHILE I'M IN IRAQ.. I AM LOSING SYMPATHY FOR THE MUSLIM WORLD REALLY FAST UNLESS THEY START DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT ...

SORRY IF I OFFEND YOU BUT I'M NOT YOU...YOU ARENT ME.

SO LETS LEAVE IT AT THAT.


THATS JUST ONE OF MY THOUGHTS.

[jizzmonkey]

Lay off of the caps for Jesus Christ!

"SO GUYS LIKE ME HAVE TO GO IN THERE AND CLEAR IT?? "

Being in the armed forces isn't all ****'s and giggles. Do your job, and if it has to do with clearing a ****y trapped city, so be it, I would be there right beside you every step of the way if I was old enough.

REALLY?????

****S AND GIGGLES???

OHHH THEN I SOULD HAVE GOTTEN OUT 10 YEARS AGO....WOW THANKS..

I DO HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN HOW THE "LIFE GAMBLE" IN POLITICS PLAYS OUT...SORRY MAN I DO HAVE A LIFE BESIDES TYPING ON A KEYBOARD FOR" ****S AND GIGGLES"
AND I AM VERY GOOD AT MY JOB THANK YOU

AS FOR THE "CAPS"

O.k I'll give you that one.

Just another thought.

[J-10]

so some pissed off dogs barking at them and panties on thier heads didnt do anything but enrage the far left political opportunists in this country...... then maybe we do need some extremists of our own!

If you have a better solution besides the all to common "cant we all get allong" bull****, then lets hear it cause the more this happens the less me and my fellow soldiers are going to hold back!
And exactly how's taking out more Americans here going to help. What we need to do is go medieval on Fallujah -- no more playing games with those terrorists and they better understand that. Don't think they are going to stage any more hostage situations if they aren't breathing.





tHE GODDAMN POLITICS WE PLAYED WITH THE WHOLE FALUJAH THING IS CRAP!!!!! SO NOW THAT WE USED THE "POLITICAL SOLUTION" SOMEONE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BACK INTO FALUUJAH AND MOP UP!!

THAT MEANS THAT GUYS LIKE ME ARE GOING TO LOOSE THIER LIVES BECAUSE OF IGNORANT POLITICIANS PLAYING f***-f*** WITH MIDDLE EAST POLITICS!!!

BULL****!!

ARE YOU GOING TO E-MAIL MY SON AND TELL HIM IT WAS PRES BUSH'S FAULT HIS DAD MET THE ENS OF AN RPG???

WAS IT STUPID POLITICS ??

WAS IT EXTREMIST MUSLIMS???

WAS IT JUST PLAIN LACK OF BACKBONE FROM THE US OCCUPATION???

WHAT WAS IT??

I'M SURE HE'LL WANT TO KNOW.

I think the root is the unfair MIDDLE EAST POLITICS of U.S.

U.S. was partial to Israel for a long time, because Jew hold American's money bags.

Just some thoughts, I am not against Israel.

[Tane Angle]

Understandable. But I'm asking you to please remember this: If you disrespect Iraqi's culture, you make it harder for the HUMINT people to do their jobs, and the HUMINT folks are the only way to get hostages and POWs out safe and sound. They rely on Iraqi's willingness to tell Americans things, and that willingness is erased if we insult them.

Yes, of course, keep your men alive. Believe me, there is little I wouldn't do to bring back my people safe and sound. But please also help the HUMINT people get their people-and the hostages and POWs-back safe and sound too.

Take care to you and your men. Cover your six out there, my friend.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[Romulus]

I think the root is the unfair MIDDLE EAST POLITICS of U.S.

U.S. was partial to Israel for a long time, because Jew hold American's money bags.

Just some thoughts, I am not against Israel.

Your Anti-Semitic Commie government teach you all that bull**** in school?

[jizzmonkey]

so some pissed off dogs barking at them and panties on thier heads didnt do anything but enrage the far left political opportunists in this country...... then maybe we do need some extremists of our own!

If you have a better solution besides the all to common "cant we all get allong" bull****, then lets hear it cause the more this happens the less me and my fellow soldiers are going to hold back!
And exactly how's taking out more Americans here going to help. What we need to do is go medieval on Fallujah -- no more playing games with those terrorists and they better understand that. Don't think they are going to stage any more hostage situations if they aren't breathing.





tHE GODDAMN POLITICS WE PLAYED WITH THE WHOLE FALUJAH THING IS CRAP!!!!! SO NOW THAT WE USED THE "POLITICAL SOLUTION" SOMEONE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BACK INTO FALUUJAH AND MOP UP!!

THAT MEANS THAT GUYS LIKE ME ARE GOING TO LOOSE THIER LIVES BECAUSE OF IGNORANT POLITICIANS PLAYING f***-f*** WITH MIDDLE EAST POLITICS!!!

BULL****!!

ARE YOU GOING TO E-MAIL MY SON AND TELL HIM IT WAS PRES BUSH'S FAULT HIS DAD MET THE ENS OF AN RPG???

WAS IT STUPID POLITICS ??

WAS IT EXTREMIST MUSLIMS???

WAS IT JUST PLAIN LACK OF BACKBONE FROM THE US OCCUPATION???

WHAT WAS IT??

I'M SURE HE'LL WANT TO KNOW.

I think the root is the unfair MIDDLE EAST POLITICS of U.S.

U.S. was partial to Israel for a long time, because Jew hold American's money bags.

Just some thoughts, I am not against Israel.

I for one will allways stand by Isreal no matter what it does on mere principal.

If I could join the Isreally army I would have along time ago.

[catchv22]

You think all Muslims are evil extremists and out to get us. I'm sure the Muslim extremists, who do not make up a majority of the Muslims in this world, think all Americans are fat cat christian capitalist imperialists who want to convert or enslave them. Both ideas of these stereotypes are silly if you think about them, and only when both sides realize this will the ignorance stop. But until then gnorance will perpetuate this violence and violence will beget more violence. Don't generalize and stereotype a group together, because a few members of that group are doing bad things.

As for the Marine, I wish he gets all the help he can get. I pray for his safety.

[seruriermarshal]

I think the root is the unfair MIDDLE EAST POLITICS of U.S.

U.S. was partial to Israel for a long time, because Jew hold American's money bags.

Just some thoughts, I am not against Israel.

Hmmm......

Who tell you "unfair MIDDLE EAST POLITICS of U.S" ? You think , like some countries support suicide type detonation then it's fair ?

You have chance like Jew hold American's money bags . That's fair , like Arab countries hold more world oil .

[A Soldier]

I've had enough....... pave the middle east, get out the earthmovers ( NUKES ) and pavers , and make it a parking lot, with numbered spaces of course.

Good luck to the Marine and don't ever give in to those animals

[AFCOP]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe the story of the captured Marine was the "insurgents" infiltrated a Marine compound.....lured the Marine out and then captured him. Now I know anything is possible but, 1) I would think getting into a Marine compound even with proper ID would be hard in Iraq right now and, 2) would any Marine in his right mind let an Iraqi national "lure" him out of his compound? This one sounds very strange to me. Would like to know the real story.

[seruriermarshal]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe the story of the captured Marine was the "insurgents" infiltrated a Marine compound.....lured the Marine out and then captured him. Now I know anything is possible but, 1) I would think getting into a Marine compound even with proper ID would be hard in Iraq right now and, 2) would any Marine in his right mind let an Iraqi national "lure" him out of his compound? This one sounds very strange to me. Would like to know the real story.

I hear about he like Lebanese ?

:roll:

[J-10]

I think the root is the unfair MIDDLE EAST POLITICS of U.S.

U.S. was partial to Israel for a long time, because Jew hold American's money bags.

Just some thoughts, I am not against Israel.

Your Anti-Semitic Commie government teach you all that bull**** in school?

No, Our government against Israel before, now it is neutral.

[J-10]

You have chance like Jew hold American's money bags . That's fair , like Arab countries hold more world oil .

Now, I see.

[One?]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe the story of the captured Marine was the "insurgents" infiltrated a Marine compound.....lured the Marine out and then captured him. Now I know anything is possible but, 1) I would think getting into a Marine compound even with proper ID would be hard in Iraq right now and, 2) would any Marine in his right mind let an Iraqi national "lure" him out of his compound? This one sounds very strange to me. Would like to know the real story.

I hear about he like Lebanese ?

:roll:


whats your point?

And yes he is of lebanese origin.

[iflu]

I think the root is the unfair MIDDLE EAST POLITICS of U.S.

U.S. was partial to Israel for a long time, because Jew hold American's money bags.

Just some thoughts, I am not against Israel.

Your Anti-Semitic Commie government teach you all that bull**** in school?

No, Our government against Israel before, now it is neutral.

sorry j10, the relationship between china and isreal is far more complicated than propoganda made before. it is easy to relate ''close relationship'' to isreal and usa. so most people may think that china and isreal were enemy for long time since these two nations set up formal diplomatic relationship in 1980s (pretty late). but in fact the relationship was far more good for a long period than u imagine. isreal has never set up formal relationship with taiwan. and provide military tech to china as ur name suggests for a long time.... and even helps to train swat teams in china right now.

[Argyll]

Grapevine syas there maybe a dramatic bit of news coming soon....speculation so far

[mocking_loudly_died]

KILL, BOMB, DESTROY (everything is boring)

Keep up the keyboard text bashing – that always solves the World’s issues.

I’ll join in – RANT RANT RANT RANT RANT RANT RANT (insert self prophetic claims of importance) RANT RANT RANT RANT (insert moral and cultural high ground) RANT RANT RANT RANT ect.

One day when the fingers stop their incessant tapping - I’ll grow a vegetable garden.

[ShadowNeo]

So far not to many american muslims are condemning a damn thing, and in most cases in this country when a muslim american has known of terrorist plots....they have all kept their f*** mouths shut about it!!

Maybe if there were less assholes like you spouting crap like "behead all muslims", they might open their mouths.

[J-10]

I think the root is the unfair MIDDLE EAST POLITICS of U.S.

U.S. was partial to Israel for a long time, because Jew hold American's money bags.

Just some thoughts, I am not against Israel.

Your Anti-Semitic Commie government teach you all that bull**** in school?

No, Our government against Israel before, now it is neutral.

sorry j10, the relationship between china and isreal is far more complicated than propoganda made before. it is easy to relate ''close relationship'' to isreal and usa. so most people may think that china and isreal were enemy for long time since these two nations set up formal diplomatic relationship in 1980s (pretty late). but in fact the relationship was far more good for a long period than u imagine. isreal has never set up formal relationship with taiwan. and provide military tech to china as ur name suggests for a long time.... and even helps to train swat teams in china right now.

Yeah. In WWII, a lot of Jew lived in Shanghai, China. I have a friend work in Isreal ECI Telecom (Beijing) Company now. Isreal's economy, science technology and military are cool, we are not enemy, China - Isreal --> friend.

[Bayonet]

I think the root is the unfair MIDDLE EAST POLITICS of U.S.

U.S. was partial to Israel for a long time, because Jew hold American's money bags.

Just some thoughts, I am not against Israel.

Your Anti-Semitic Commie government teach you all that bull**** in school?

No, Our government against Israel before, now it is neutral.

sorry j10, the relationship between china and isreal is far more complicated than propoganda made before. it is easy to relate ''close relationship'' to isreal and usa. so most people may think that china and isreal were enemy for long time since these two nations set up formal diplomatic relationship in 1980s (pretty late). but in fact the relationship was far more good for a long period than u imagine. isreal has never set up formal relationship with taiwan. and provide military tech to china as ur name suggests for a long time.... and even helps to train swat teams in china right now.

Yeah. In WWII, a lot of Jew lived in Shanghai, China. I have a friend work in Isreal ECI Telecom (Beijing) Company now. Isreal's economy, science technology and military are cool, we are not enemy, China - Isreal --> friend


You help us to train our swat team???

Thank you very much...Israel people...

Do you have some pics about that???

Yes ,,I fully agreed J-10...

I think we have many important friendly countries.....

Germany...France...Russia...Israel ....sometimes America ...