Just how much is how much.

[Hollis]

http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/22/usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/

USA Buys Enough Guns in 3 Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Army
Law abiding US citizens bought on average 3,177,256 guns every 3 months in 2008.

EveryTown, USA - -(AmmoLand.com)- In just 3 months Americans bought enough guns to outfit the entire Chinese and Indian army’s combined.

“You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” - Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto WWII
You also bought 1,529,635,000 rounds of ammunition in just the month of December 2008. Yeah that is right, that is Billion with a “B”. This number takes no accounting of reloading (http://www.ammoland.com/reloading/reloading) or reloaded ammunition.
This is an evaluation of overall firearms and ammunition purchases based on low end numbers per Federal NIC instacheck data base Statistics (http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics.htm). The numbers presented are only PART of the overall numbers of arms and ammunition that have been sold. The actual numbers are much higher.
Follow Up:


For those who asked see our follow up post with links to the data.
Update: USA Buys Enough Guns in 3 Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Army (http://www.ammoland.com/2009/04/22/2009/04/27/update-usa-buys-enough-guns-in-3-months-to-outfit-the-entire-chinese-and-indian-army/)


I think this adds to the question, where did all the ammo go?

[Lerch]

You mean TOO much? ;)

Most of the ammo probably ends up in zombie stockpiles or being shot into the dirt downrange.

[Migs]

http://www.ratemyeverything.net/image/7055/0/America.ashx

[Alpha-17]

You mean TOO much? ;)

Most of the ammo probably ends up in zombie stockpiles or being shot into the dirt downrange.

Zombies! Where?!?!
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m275/Alpha-17/GW450H360.jpg

As for where the ammo went, I have to agree with Lerch: stockpiles or downrange.

[1911-a1]

http://uppladdning.com/uploads/1241052965193.jpg

[deagle]

well, as long as the right ppl have them, its no problem.

its those who shoot up schools and civic centers, and criminals and thugs we have to account for. (just last sat'day night/sunday morning, some punk robbed student for iphone/laptop).

[kopema]

well, as long as the right ppl have them, its no problem.

its those who shoot up schools and civic centers, and criminals and thugs we have to account for. (just last sat'day night/sunday morning, some punk robbed student for iphone/laptop).

I very seriously doubt that there's been a massive surge in the number of people planning to steal ipods from school children since November of 2008.

Nah, there must be some other reason for this. I just can't think what it might be.

[Spaz]

Just a theory, but maybe the government is buying up all the ammunition? Many people I have been talking to recently have been saying they think the reason it is hard to find ammo is the feds are buying it all up to keep it out of our hands. Could this be possible?

[chassem]

Shameless plug:

All the ammo is for the Canadian Invasion! See my previous comments regarding the Canucks on American beaches in Florida.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=156236

[California Joe]

^Um...No.

It's like a run on the banks during the Depression. Between all of the dinks that are worried about jackbooted Government thugs because some black guy got elected and the end of times militias and the whole majority of normal shooters that decided to stockpile their favorite flavors, you end up with high prices and low volume available.

It's the purest example of supply and demand capitalism there is. Right now demand is far outstripping supply.

If everyone would calm the f*ck down and let the dust settle things would right themselves just like the last time...

[wildcat]

they better calm the f down, I want to stock up, I feeling a little short :)

[Geezah]

^Um...No.

It's like a run on the banks during the Depression. Between all of the dinks that are worried about jackbooted Government thugs because some black guy got elected and the end of times militias and the whole majority of normal shooters that decided to stockpile their favorite flavors, you end up with high prices and low volume available.

It's the purest example of supply and demand capitalism there is. Right now demand is far outstripping supply.

If everyone would calm the f*ck down and let the dust settle things would right themselves just like the last time...

The dinks haven't stopped, nor have the end of times militias, it's all the extremely casual and new shooters that are fearful that Obama is going to remove the 2nd Am.

I am surprised that the manufacturers have not ramped up production big time, because as far as I can see, this is the only thing that has not been hit by the recession.

As far as stocking up, if you hadn't done it prior to November of last year, you may be SOL for some time.

I'm just happy I've got my connection at Walmart and they hook me upp-)

[Bro Jangles]

i know people that normally would not own a firearm are looking into it. i have had 4 people at work come to me and ask what kind of gun they should buy. and in the past all 4 have been staunch anti gun.

[California Joe]

Geez, I agree with you about the new shooters, that's obvious from the run on AR parts...

You prick, I have almost no 5.56 at all. You better send me some. :)


I was drinking last weekend with an old friend that's full time Vermont National Guard and he was telling me that they've been having a hard time getting training ammo. I was pestering him to lose a case at my house...p-)

[Albatross]

I can't buy any ****in ammo. Can someone put a hiatus on this for a few days so i can snag enough ammo to survive the invasion.

[California Joe]

I can't buy any ****in ammo. Can someone put a hiatus on this for a few days so i can snag enough ammo to survive the invasion.

Spend all of your money on dye?

Heh, I'm the kind of asshole that decides to put together an AR, 2 years ago, but doesn't get around to getting all of the parts until the market goes batsh*t crazy. :roll:

It's like when I was in Virginia and they would forecast snow twice a winter and the grocery stores would be sold out of milk and toilet paper because of retards thinking they were somehow going to be snowed in for a week. It never failed that we would end up being out of that stuff so I'd have to go to the store and get some with all of the other tools.

[Geezah]

Geez, I agree with you about the new shooters, that's obvious from the run on AR parts...

You prick, I have almost no 5.56 at all. You better send me some. :)


I've all but stopped shooting 5.56/.223, too expensive to replace and the distances I shoot my ARs, I can use my 9mm AR out to 100yrds.
That's one of the reasons I got the 22lr conversion kit (http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Feature_Item__CMMG_.22lr_Conversion_Kit_w__Magazine.html)(which I got the hook up on) for my M4gery, and it runs like a champ.

[gaijinsamurai]

That .22LR conversion kit sounds nice, Geeze, except for the fact that I can't find any .22 LR around here either!

It sucks, because I want to take my toys out and play with them, but I'm too afraid to deplete the ammo supply I have, without knowing it I can replace what I shoot.

I'm glad I bought what I have back in the days when it was cheaper and more plentiful, and just wish I'd bought more.

[highdiver_2000]

Guns sold in the US are required to be made in the US. What about ammunition?

[James]

Guns sold in the US are required to be made in the US. What about ammunition?

No. PMC is Korean, Bear is Russian, and Privi Partisan is Serbian or Croatian. I've seen old 7.62 from South Africa and Portugal, .30 from Greece, 5.56 from South Africa...

What I find irritating the most is the douches who buy 10K rounds at a time, especially when they're not going to shoot it, but just stick it in the closet... The same as the people who bought 10 AR receivers at a time. I think it's just selfish. Also, how many people have been buying this stuff on credit? That's smart. :roll:

Thanks, ****heads.

[Geezah]

I took a trip over to my local Walmart and all that came in was boxes of .410. I called another two stores and they had nothing.
I even looked at Georgia Arms, as three of us are willing to go in on a couple of cans of 9mm. They are out of stock due to a component shortage.

WTF is going on......

[Geezah]

Mods, if you feel this is advertising, please go ahead and delete, but I thought I would give all those suffering from ammo shortages a heads up.

Got this off of the Industry forum at Arfcom for AIM Surplus.


A223US, .223 centurion $169.95 /500rd can,
A223BBFMJ55, .223 Brown Bear 55grn FMJ $5.40 per box
A223SBHP, .223 Silver Bear 62grn HP $5.60 per box
A308BB, .308 Brown Bear .308 FMJ, $7.95 25 @$7.75
A9mmBB, 9mm Brown Bear FMJ $9.95 a box
A9x18RHP, 9x18 Silver Bear HP, $11.95, 20 @ $11.50

call in now, if you wait till it hits the website you probably waited to long

Link (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=217&t=174179)

Bryan at AIM posted it yesterday afternoon. They are good people and I deal with them all the time.

[Bro Jangles]

^ i wish i had money to buy ammo.


Guns sold in the US are required to be made in the US. What about ammunition?
guns dont have to be made in the US, just those deemed as "Military Style" rifles.

[Geezah]

^ i wish i had money to buy ammo.


guns dont have to be made in the US, just those deemed as "Military Style" rifles.

Actually, they just have to be 922r compliant.

[Bro Jangles]

Actually, they just have to be 922r compliant.
i thought they had banned the further import of military style parts kits.

[Geezah]

i thought they had banned the further import of military style parts kits.

I dunno about that, there still seem to be plenty of AK parts coming in, but I may have missed something. I learn something new everyday. :)

[Paulinski]

Hoarding is the name of the game.

Reloading components its what I'm hoarding now :)

[Death.]

No. PMC is Korean, Bear is Russian, and Privi Partisan is Serbian or Croatian. I've seen old 7.62 from South Africa and Portugal, .30 from Greece, 5.56 from South Africa...

What I find irritating the most is the douches who buy 10K rounds at a time, especially when they're not going to shoot it, but just stick it in the closet... The same as the people who bought 10 AR receivers at a time. I think it's just selfish. Also, how many people have been buying this stuff on credit? That's smart. :roll:

Thanks, ****heads.


LOL, didn't an mp.net forum member buy 8 or more AR15 lowers at once a couple of months ago?
I just wish I could get some ammo...:(

[James]

LOL, didn't an mp.net forum member buy 8 or more AR15 lowers at once a couple of months ago?
I just wish I could get some ammo...:(

Yeah, someone did. I thought it was lame.

The other thing that irks me about this whole situation is that a lot of the guys who would buy more stuff, if they could, happen to be in the military or have other jobs that take them to places like Iraq or Afghanistan, for months or more at a time, while many of the guys who buy this stuff and hoard it aren't far removed from airsofters - they're just in it for the cool gear and cool guns.

[Death.]

I'd agree, and you are aware there are several people like that on this forum. I'm not going to name names, but it's even better when they make fun of the airsofters when they're basically doing the same thing but spending 5 times as much.

[Pook2]

^Exactly, I've seen plenty of cases over at AR15.com where some joe schmoe will order 20-50 Pmags and clean out a recently replenished stock. What the hell does joe schmoe need that many of any type of mag for? And don't give me that "I don't have to justify my wants" BS, I'll buy that to an extent, but when you are contributing to the hindrance to an industry and to people who otherwise NEED those mags but can't have them, then I think it's everyone's responsibility to step up and say something. I'm glad theyve put a limit on the amount per customer.

[Geezah]

This is still a free market isn't it?

And as to those that need them, Military and LE always get first dibs. It's always been that way, especially in an industry where alot of the up and coming companies are run by ex-Military.

[Geezah]

Hoarding is the name of the game.

Reloading components its what I'm hoarding now :)

I purchased all my reloading gear last year, powder, primers and bullets and I still haven't got around to setting it up for my .308.

Ammo is the same, if not better than money, I still have a case of AE.223 my Wife got me for Christmas a around 4yrs years ago. It's the last out of 4 cases, and I used one of them and an Eotech to trade for an IOR scope.

Personally, I'm all for hoarding, but I make sure and put the feelers out there and have a good idea of who to go to for what.

[Bro Jangles]

Yeah, someone did. I thought it was lame.

The other thing that irks me about this whole situation is that a lot of the guys who would buy more stuff, if they could, happen to be in the military or have other jobs that take them to places like Iraq or Afghanistan, for months or more at a time, while many of the guys who buy this stuff and hoard it aren't far removed from airsofters - they're just in it for the cool gear and cool guns.
i agree with you totally right now. but if i had some serious cash, i would probably be the dude orderin a ****load of ammo and stuff.

[James]

This is still a free market isn't it?

And as to those that need them, Military and LE always get first dibs. It's always been that way, especially in an industry where alot of the up and coming companies are run by ex-Military.

Sure it's a free market, but this is more like the preschooler during play time who hoards all the toys and won't share.

On this forum and others, I've read a lot of posts in the past about how the shooting community is a great bunch of people who enjoy firearms, shooting, the outdoors, and each others company. Maybe our current circumstances are causing people to show their true colors. It's just disappointing.

I agree that military and LE types often get first dibs, but being overseas for extended periods and only spending a few weeks or months at home makes it difficult to get some things. Luckily ammo can be ordered online, but it's almost impossible to buy stuff like AR lowers or an entire firearm unless you happen to go to the gun store and they have exactly what you want.

I'm not even really in the market for anything except ammo - I've got some 5.56 back ordered and I have a local source at home for quality re-manufactured .45. It's just the principle of the thing.

[Kilo1-1]

Sure it's a free market, but this is more like the preschooler during play time who hoards all the toys and won't share.

On this forum and others, I've read a lot of posts in the past about how the shooting community is a great bunch of people who enjoy firearms, shooting, the outdoors, and each others company. Maybe our current circumstances are causing people to show their true colors. It's just disappointing.



People are the problem when you got morons out there.

[Geezah]

Talking to my guy at Walmart tonight and he was telling me that they are getting ammo deliveries every other day now. He also heard that the shelves should be back to normal by the end of May.

Good news.......

[Ought Six]

Everybody stop buying ammo so James will stop whining! :)

[Seraphim]

^Exactly, I've seen plenty of cases over at AR15.com where some joe schmoe will order 20-50 Pmags and clean out a recently replenished stock. What the hell does joe schmoe need that many of any type of mag for? And don't give me that "I don't have to justify my wants" BS, I'll buy that to an extent, but when you are contributing to the hindrance to an industry and to people who otherwise NEED those mags but can't have them, then I think it's everyone's responsibility to step up and say something. I'm glad theyve put a limit on the amount per customer.


Theres a pick of a guy with around 500 pmags in his living room. Im thinking hes banking on Obama to ban "hi-cap" mags and sell the mags at crazy prices like the pre-ban days.

[Hollis]

Theres a pick of a guy with around 500 pmags in his living room. Im thinking hes banking on Obama to ban "hi-cap" mags and sell the mags at crazy prices like the pre-ban days.


There was a article in the Wall Street Journal on investing in a firearms and related items. A new influx of investors could have added to this problem.

[budgie]

The dinks haven't stopped, nor have the end of times militias, it's all the extremely casual and new shooters that are fearful that Obama is going to remove the 2nd Am.


If they were "extremely casual" they wouldn't bother stocking up. I'd just find another hobby...

[Geezah]

If they were "extremely casual" they wouldn't bother stocking up. I'd just find another hobby...

Prior to Obama getting in(while President Bush ran the country) the casual shooter understood that there was no threat to their 2nd Am Rights. Now that Obama is in control and given his past record, his affiliations and those that he is putting control have created a state of panic. Att Holder didn't help things either when he said they would reinstate the ASSault Weapon Ban.

[Geezah]

Just saw this on the AIM Surplus page on AFRcom.


AMMO ALERT 5/10/09 !!!!!!!!

Friday at closing time i received a semi of Wolf ammo, it will go on up on the website Monday morning (it won't have a buy it now button on the site), so here is your chance to beat the rush, YOU MUST CALL MONDAY MORNING FIRST THING, I WILL NOT HOLD YOU AMMO OR TAKE EMAILS TO HOLD AMMO, you must call us Monday at 9am

Wolf
762x39 Polyformance, FMJ, $5.50 a box or $269.5/k
.223 55grn FMJ, $139.75 /500
9mm 115grn $9.95
.30cal carbine, $16.95
.45acp, $15.95
.308, $8.50 and 25 @$8.25

Link (http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=217&t=174648)

I know this may count as advertising, but considering how hard it is to get ammo at the moment, I was thinking the Mods may let it slide until things calm down?
If not please delete.