Car hits crowd near Dutch queen's bus

[Cava]

See the movie:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/04/30/netherlands.queen.car/index.html

On the movie you can see an lucky policemen.

car has careered into a crowd of people near an open-top bus carrying Queen Beatrix, a Dutch royal family spokesperson told CNN.
The incident took place Thursday in the Dutch town of Apeldoorn during celebrations for the national holiday of Queen's Day.
2 deads, but rumours of a total of 4 deads.

Me English is not so good but it would be almoust an attack on the Royal Family.

R.I.P.

[Cava]

http://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/miMedia/2009/week18/Thu12.ruwbeeld_apeldoorn.xml

warning grapic.

[Switek]

RIP to the fallen

It's another shocking news today. Is a Mad Day or something?


:(

[Bitogno]

........................................

[Hennie the Great]

Most activities in the country will be cancelled... that guy just single handedly ruined Queensday for 16.5mil people.

RIP to the people who died

[sharpe]

a lot of news media are speculating that this was deliberate and not an accident

[Niels]

a lot of news media are speculating that this was deliberate and not an accident
He drove through two blockades and reportedly accelerated before running over several people.


Two dead, twelve wounded so far. Press conference at 15:45.

[HappyHeady]

http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/2009/04/30/holland-niederlande-apeldoorn/unfall-am-koeniginnentag-koenigin-beatrix.html

RIP. :-(

EDIT: Sorry, repost.

[NavyTimes]

Holy crap my niece is down there!

Edit:
Its on youtube already:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_U17aqfjGs

[Zoomie]

You're a little late:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=156356

[Player]

May the dead rest in peace. I wish the injured a fast recovery and my condolences to the families of the victims.

That's really terrible and sad, but this also could end much worse considering the huge crowd...

[Breakfast in Vegas]

Jesus.... RIP.

Terrible tragedy.

[*zeven*]

something tells me this is NOT an accident

R.I.P to the fallen.

[Player]

What exactly does make it "terroristic" and not an assassination attempt or anything else it could be?


Holy crap my niece is down there!

I really hope she's OK, mate.

[toki]

something tells me this is NOT an accident

R.I.P to the fallen.

It wasn't an accident. Read what Niels posted.
And the graphic video above tells enough.

RIP :-(

[joshfox0]

While i would like to use strong words here to describe the driver of the car i feel it would be inappropriate.

RIP to the fallen and may the injured recover speedily in hospital.

[DaGreatRV]

I know the royal family's popularity dropped in recent years, but that it would come to this... bloody sad.


My condolences. :-(

And a swift recovery for the injured.

[RSone]

It wasn't an accident. Read what Niels posted.
And the graphic video above tells enough.

RIP :-(

Unless there was something in the car, there's little a coupe is going to do to a bus. Sure, the people (in this case the royal family) in the bus will be a bit shaken up, maybe lightly injured, but in all probability nothing serious.

This arsemonkey just ruined a beautifull day for the whole country. I was looking forward to that parade, it was the first in many years....

Guy should be locked up for a long time.....
My condoleances to the families of the dead, and my hopes for a speedy recovery to the injured....:-(

[RSone]

I know the royal family's popularity dropped in recent years, but that it would come to this... bloody sad.


My condolences. :-(

And a swift recovery for the injured.

Vast majority of the Dutch is still pro-orange..

[Kaaskop]

Unless there was something in the car, there's little a coupe is going to do to a bus. Sure, the people (in this case the royal family) in the bus will be a bit shaken up, maybe lightly injured, but in all probability nothing serious.

This arsemonkey just ruined a beautifull day for the whole country. I was looking forward to that parade, it was the first in many years....

Guy should be locked up for a long time.....
My condoleances to the families of the dead, and my hopes for a speedy recovery to the injured....:-(

Don't worry, he will be locked up for a long time...

[IDF_TANKER]

something tells me this is NOT an accident

R.I.P to the fallen.


It wasn't an accident. Read what Niels posted.
And the graphic video above tells enough.

RIP :-(

I remember an incident a while ago in US, when a elderly person killed seven people. IIRC he forgot in what gear he was or something similar and slammed his car into the crowd. The point is, until the official investigation reviles its findings it's pretty pointless to make any speculations.

[RSone]

Just watched the CNN vid. Good to know that immediate security(police, Marechaussee) were on top of that shyte. The Family appeared to be shocked.

[RSone]

I remember an incident a while ago in US, when a elderly person killed seven people. IIRC he forgot in what gear he was or something similar and slammed his car into the crowd. The point is, until the official investigation reviles its findings it's pretty pointless to make any speculations.

Forgetting what gear you're in, and ramming two roadblocks, continuing on several hundred metres and plowing into a crowd are two entirely different things.

[DaGreatRV]

Vast majority of the Dutch is still pro-orange..

I know that.

[Willem]

RIP to the dead, ofcourse. I wonder how the rest of the day will play out (Amsterdam cancelling activities or not, etc...)


Vast majority of the Dutch is still pro-orange..

Yes, that is a sad fact. The Republican society is gaining support, though. It's only a little, but it'll overcome our despotic monarchy in time.

[RSone]

^LOL. For or against, that's a personal preference. But despotic?

[Willem]

^LOL. For or against, that's a personal preference. But despotic?

Alright, I'll give you that. I can get pretty fanatic when it comes to the debate monarchy vs republic.

[DaGreatRV]

Despotism is a form of government by a single authority, either an individual or tightly knit group, which rules with absolute political power.


The Netherlands is a parliamentary democratic constitutional monarchy.



In other words, the queen has only symbolic power.

[Breakfast in Vegas]

I remember an incident a while ago in US, when a elderly person killed seven people. IIRC he forgot in what gear he was or something similar and slammed his car into the crowd. The point is, until the official investigation reviles its findings it's pretty pointless to make any speculations.Think he got confused and mixed up brake and gas on an automatic... as soon as he gave gas (thinking brake) car lurched forward and in order to apply brake harder, he pushed gas... same thing happened in Mexico and I assume in many other places.

This seems to be a different story entirely however.

[RSone]

Despotism is a form of government by a single authority, either an individual or tightly knit group, which rules with absolute political power.


The Netherlands is a parliamentary democratic constitutional monarchy.



In other words, the queen has only symbolic power.

Favourite theory of vehemently anti-monarchy people is that B is pulling all the strings behind the scenes.

[SBL]

That cop and that guy on the bike escaped just in the nick of time.

[kitatatsumi]

That's really horrible.
What a tragedy, and so public.
RIP.

[Kaaskop]

four confirmed dead...

[Lau]

Horrible! :(

No way that was an accident!

[RSone]

Just a point of light(maybe) that little girl that was injured, is said to be alright(as far as that's possible)...

[click]

Dang, sad news

RiP

[Kaaskop]

Fourteen people injured, of whom five seriously, including one marechaussee (military police). Driver is a 38-year-old man.

[RSone]

Graphic images of the whole shebang on http://www.nieuws.be/nieuws/Apeldoorn_schokkende_beelden_van_de_gewonden_fb2e3e33.aspx

WARNING! NSFW/GRAPHIC!

[Jippo]

I'm very sorry for the dutch people. Such tragedies shouldn't happen!

[Yoram777]

Its now sure that this was not an accident.
At the press conference they said that the police officers were able to speak to the injured driver of the car, and from that conversation it was already clear he did this on purpose. :|

[sharpe]

one other thing to come out of that was that he had a motive to carry it out. But wheter it was the royal family he was after.......

[RSone]

Geez, I was browsing GeenStijl, and it looks like the Salon arsemonkeys are having a field day.........(obviously not all of the Geenstijl users, but still)

[Sheikh Al Stranghi]

This makes me VERY angry. Almost a personal attack. :fork:

[Aeron]

Sad news. RIP :(

[CMNot]

Terrorism ruled out. LINK (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8026807.stm)

[gustav]

Looks more like the deed of a mad man.

RIP

[Evolv5]

Jesus, that video is surreal.

May the dead rest in peace, and swift recovery to the injured.

[Strongie]

There was a similar event in Stockholm, Sweden 2003. A 50 year old mad man drove in to the crowd killing 2 and injuring 30. He said his car was controled remotely by someone else. I don't know the situation in Holland but in Sweden they closed down all mental institutions leading to the treatment of the mentally ill at home, the reult was a serie of spectacular and bloody events.

[Kippari]

Holy crap! RIP to the deceased and fast recovery to the injured. Works of a madman...

[SpecOpsGrandChild]

RIP to the fallen. Speedy recovery to the wounded.

[DaGreatRV]

The guy was known as polite and quite in his neighborhood.
A few months ago he got laid of at the security firm he was working at at that time.
He couldn't pay the rent anymore and would be evicted tomorrow.


He was also in possesion of the planning of the event, so he knew when and where the royal family would be during the day.

[Gleipnir]

This is horrible- **** this anti-social and selfish bastard
Ruining the best holiday that exists in the Netherlands.
I can't believe it, I hope all the injured can recover well, not just from their injuries but from any psychological trauma also.
RIP to the dead who didn't deserve this tragic drama
I am in shock, this is horrible news

[Empulse]

Rest in peace to the people who have died on a day that was supposed to be one of the best days of the year...

[Switek]

This is horrible- **** this anti-social and selfish bastard


Let psychiatrists will examine this man first. Whatever he did he will eventually pay for all.

[GiladS]

RIP to those killed and a speedy recovery to the wounded...

[cmabone]

Man this is insane.

Rest in peace.

[KoTeMoRe]

Mhh....this is a monstruosity. So I get fired tomorrow and I'll just jack off and burn out an 0 to 60 straight to a couple of bystanders. I don't get it.

[rgjbloke]

Shocking video. Seeing all those people lying on the ground with at least one having a resusitation attempt happening on them makes you think, you never know what may be just around the corner. R.I.P. to the dead and a speedy recovery for all those injured.

[usa320]

Now does everyone see why the SUV that escorts the US president has a minigun mounted on it?

[T.S.C.Plage]

I knew that such a moronic comment would come up so I already prepared for it. So...

Of course it would have been a great advantage if the guards would have used a minigun to counter the attack. Then we would now have lot more dead and wounded because of the ricochets and such. Infact I'm actually happy this happend in Europe and not in the USA because here at least some of the policemen took care of the wounded instead of emptying their clips into the vehicle like it would have definetly been the case over there.

[Cava]

Now does everyone see why the SUV that escorts the US president has a minigun mounted on it?

:roll:

Lucky we dont live in the USA, where you can buy every weapons..

So we dont need that. :roll:


RIP

[Hennie the Great]

I don't think usa320 was serious.. so calm down.

I bet he will get away with some lame punishment, because his life was already so 'difficult'.

[IraGlacialis]

Unless there was something in the car, there's little a coupe is going to do to a bus. Sure, the people (in this case the royal family) in the bus will be a bit shaken up, maybe lightly injured, but in all probability nothing serious.
Someone doesn't need to directly physically harm the family to do damage.
When you think about it, psychologically shaking them up and bringing the festivities to a halt is more than enough. What a ****wad.

R.I.P.

[Tyler Durden 95]

I've seen graphic videos from iraq (beheading etc) but watching an entire crowd of dozen peoples dying under my eyes is tough. RIP.

[RSone]

I don't think usa320 was serious.. so calm down.

I bet he will get away with some lame punishment, because his life was already so 'difficult'.


Don't think so. There's already talk they found explosives in his place. There were sounds from the Prosecutors Office they want to prosecute him for murder/attempted murder(on the people in the public),death by guilt, and the attempted attack on the Royal Family.

Anyway, the guy is currently in hospital, with life-threatening injuries, so it remains to be seen if he'll even survive to be prosecuted.

[Gleipnir]

Trying to attack the Royal family! ... ****... they should charge this fool also for being a landverrader.

[RSone]

Trying to attack the Royal family! ... ****... they should charge this fool also for being a landverrader.

I believe the punishment is the same for both. Execution or life in prison. Which murder/ causing of death on multiple occasions(four dead) would probably get him as well. Luckily for him, death penalty was abolished a long time ago.

[Laworkerbee]

I remember an incident a while ago in US, when a elderly person killed seven people. IIRC he forgot in what gear he was or something similar and slammed his car into the crowd. The point is, until the official investigation reviles its findings it's pretty pointless to make any speculations.

Yeah, it happened in Santa Monica at a farmers market. The old man just lost control of himself and his vehicle.

[Gleipnir]

@RSone
Yeah- lucky for him.
I still can't believe this has happened... awful.

[tluassa]

Best wishes for the People hurt, RIP to the fallen.

[RSone]

From Article 92, Book of Penal Law:

Attack against the King
Any attack with the intent to kill,abduct or incapacitate the King, the reigning Queen(this would be Beatrix) or the Regent will be punished with imprisonment for life, a temporary term of thirty years, or a monetary fine of the fifth category.

From Article 108:

Attack on members Royal House
-1 Any attack on the life or freedom of the spouse of the King, the expected heir to the King, his or her spouse, will be punished by a prisonterm of no more than 15 years or a monetary fine of the fifth category.
-2 When the attack causes death, or was undertaken premeditated, it will be punished by inprisonment for life, a temporary prisonterm of thirty years, or a monetary fine of the fith category.

EDIT: They could also nail him for causing physical, heavy physical harm(either premeditated or not) Causing of Death, and Murder. Since he actually told police he did this on purpose, i guess he's pretty much screwed.

[Climber]

From Article 92, Book of Penal Law:

Attack against the King
Any attack with the intent to kill,abduct or incapacitate the King, the reigning Queen(this would be Beatrix) or the Regent will be punished with imprisonment for life, a temporary term of thirty years, or a monetary fine of the fifth category.

From Article 108:

Attack on members Royal House
-1 Any attack on the life or freedom of the spouse of the King, the expected heir to the King, his or her spouse, will be punished by a prisonterm of no more than 15 years or a monetary fine of the fifth category.
-2 When the attack causes death, or was undertaken premeditated, it will be punished by inprisonment for life, a temporary prisonterm of thirty years, or a monetary fine of the fith category.

A question, why the Articles say "or a monetary fine"? Shouldn't be " and a monetary fine"? or you can try to kill and then pay a fine and you are alright?
i don't think so....

[Climber]

Yeah, it happened in Santa Monica at a farmers market. The old man just lost control of himself and his vehicle.

It happened here in Buenos Aires too, with an elderly man at the wheel. He was charged with manslaughter.

[Ritual]

They should bring back beheading for this guy.

[Ulytau]

RIP to the fallen i hope wounded ones can be good as soon as possible :(

[RSone]

A question, why the Articles say "or a monetary fine"? Shouldn't be " and a monetary fine"? or you can try to kill and then pay a fine and you are alright?
i don't think so....

The articles say "or a monetary fine" (i have the book in front of me)
But in practice this has never happened as far as i know. Felonies this big will in practice ALWAYS be punished by a prison term with a possibility of a fine.

So, in theory it would be possible. It just hasn't happened as far as i'm aware.

[RSone]

One of the critically injured people has died in hospital. This brings the death toll to five.


RIP........

This guy not only murdered five, he murdered Queens' Day. He murdered a part of our country.

[Gleipnir]

Yeah, he did... this ****er is a traitor to the Netherlands
I can still barely believe it....
if you have ever been to celebrate Koninginnedag in the Netherlands it is amazing... to do this on such a day is so horrible, I don't even have words...

They aren't saying if the 5th person was another victim or if it was him- do you know, RSone?

[rhino]

seeing how firearms are under heavy control in europe (a cop prolly needs to feel tons of paperwork just to pull his sidearm out), knifes being looked at very closely (GB) how about just stonning the bustard?Huh?

STONE HIM!@!!!!

[RSone]

Radio says it was one of the victims..

[sct1886]

They should bring back beheading for this guy.
Beheading is way too kind. This man should famous for suffering a long and painful death as a warning to the next jerk.

[RSone]

seeing how firearms are under heavy control in europe (a cop prolly needs to feel tons of paperwork just to pull his sidearm out), knifes being looked at very closely (GB) how about just stonning the bustard?Huh?

STONE HIM!@!!!!

There are rumours shots were fired at the car moments before it hit the crowd/the monument.

[gustav]

............

[Gleipnir]

RIP to the 5th victim...

shots fired???

[Gleipnir]

It's okay guys, he posted in the wrong thread
He meant to be posting in the YEAH, I'm a Texan thread
.... at least I hope so!

[neophyte77]

sad day, I wonder what hes motives are, probably just another wacko

[BAF]

this is just horrible, that picture with that little girl on the ground, with her mother standing over her :| this is messed up, i hope that mother****er who did this dies and burns in hell.

rest in peace to the victims

[rhino]

RIP to the dead :(
sad thing

[Cava]

This guy not only murdered five, he murdered Queens' Day. He murdered a part of our country.

Totaly true.

[tea drinker]

My condolences,
RIP to those murdered, Get well soon for those injured.

and a long life of pain for the sick funkin bustard who did this.

[sharpe]

I'm starting to wonder a little.

This guy lost his job and was unable to pay his rent and was about to be evicted. What if he decided to 'have him self killed' by attacking the queen?

[Niels]

I'm starting to wonder a little.

This guy lost his job and was unable to pay his rent and was about to be evicted. What if he decided to 'have him self killed' by attacking the queen?
You should be a detective.


The "suspect" is already brain-dead, according to the rumours.

[oakleaf]

Today it is "Konninginnedag" (celebrationday for the Dutch Queen) in Holland. When the Royal escorte crossed a street there was a "crazy fool" who drove through the public and tried to crash his car into the vehicle where he Royal Family had taking place.
There where 4 people killed en several heavely wounded... the "crazy fool" ran into a statute, and could not reach the Royal escorte. He has also wounded and arrested by the Police. He said that he really wanted to hurt the Royal Family...

RIP to the victims...

[Aerosoul]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=156356

[Jurinko]

Terrible news.

In 70ties, young woman in Czechoslovakia took a lorry and intentionally drove it to the full bus stop crowd, killing at least dozen people. She was hanged.

[smalandian]

Terrible news:-(

RIP to the victims

[ALEXXXOOOXXX]

acording to my girlfriend shes dutch this was a white dutch man, its got nothing to do with terrorism

[Zoomie]

acording to my girlfriend shes dutch this was a white dutch man, its got nothing to do with terrorism
So, just because he's white, totally absolves him of being a terrorist? :roll:

[Hennie the Great]

acording to my girlfriend shes dutch this was a white dutch man, its got nothing to do with terrorism

So a white dutch man can't commit terrorism? :cantbeli:

[vonbrachner]

Terrorism means deliberately harming large groups of a civilian population in order to invoke fear and paranoia.

She was royalty. This is an assassination.

[3rdMillhouse]

acording to my girlfriend shes dutch this was a white dutch man, its got nothing to do with terrorism

Way to go there, your logic is fascinating.

[Walter Sobchak]

acording to my girlfriend shes dutch this was a white dutch man, its got nothing to do with terrorism

Well, according to Janet Neapolitano, head of DHS, white guys are about the only threats to peace and stability these days. Maybe he was a veteran who goes to church and votes conservative. That puts him just ahead of OBL in her book!


Terrorism means deliberately harming large groups of a civilian population in order to invoke fear and paranoia.

She was royalty. This is an assassination.

Assassination is an attempt to destabilize and cause uncertainty and havoc. The Black Hand who killed Arch Duke Ferdinand and his wife were terrorists, too.

[Mr.K]

Terrible news.

In 70ties, young woman in Czechoslovakia took a lorry and intentionally drove it to the full bus stop crowd, killing at least dozen people. She was hanged.

Communists didn't mess around when it comes to punishing the attacker of the proletariat!

RIP to the victims.

[T-5 Killer]

This horrible. RIP :(

[Engine Mech]

A sad day for Holland and my sympathies to the fallen and their families. We had our celebrations which were a quiet affair with the dutch Govt paying for the food and drinks. This will have upset a lot of the local dutch.

[Niels]

Aaaaand the perpetrator, Karst Tates, is now offically dead.

[MoFo]

I haven't had the internet for a week, I turn it on to find this...its so disgusting it doesnt seem real.

R.I.P to those killed and may that bastard never rest where he's going.

[Hollereer]

RIP, really shocking to see this happen on live tv.
It's not good that the bastard died, he didn't deserve to come away with it so easily.

Many local festivals were cancelled because of this, no major events in Amsterdam were cancelled, which is logical because there where around 100,000 persons in the centre of A'dam.

[Rudolph]

Will someone explain to me what this means? Why would a presumably middle-class white be so driven to commit such an act of terrorism?

RIP. Saw it on the news...

[Switek]

Will someone explain to me what this means? Why would a presumably middle-class white be so driven to commit such an act of terrorism?

RIP. Saw it on the news...

It should be considered as mental disorder problem.

[Kaaskop]

RIP, really shocking to see this happen on live tv.
It's not good that the bastard died, he didn't deserve to come away with it so easily.

Many local festivals were cancelled because of this, no major events in Amsterdam were cancelled, which is logical because there where around 100,000 persons in the centre of A'dam.

Believe me, it were many more then 100.000 people :)

[DS73]

Will someone explain to me what this means? Why would a presumably middle-class white be so driven to commit such an act of terrorism?

RIP. Saw it on the news...

Read about "going postal". Social rage is very common thing, and sadly the border between imagined and real actions is too thin sometimes.

Rip to the victims,

this picture of small girl is heartbreaking. :|

[RSone]

Believe me, it were many more then 100.000 people :)

Maybe a hundred thousand on the Museumplein, for the Radio 538 concert, but yeah many times that number in the whole city. Amsterdam is packed during Queens' Day.

[Climber]

poor Maxima. this sure openend her eyes on that Royalty is not just a rose dream.

[IraGlacialis]

Terrorism means deliberately harming large groups of a civilian population in order to invoke fear and paranoia.

She was royalty. This is an assassination.
Terrorism does not only have to do physical harm to a large mass of people. It merely has to through violent means create a psychological/political impact through violent means.
Assassination can fall under the realm of terrorism.

Well, according to Janet Neapolitano, head of DHS, white guys are about the only threats to peace and stability these days. Maybe he was a veteran who goes to church and votes conservative. That puts him just ahead of OBL in her book.
And how is that relevant to this incident?

[Hollereer]

A seventh death has been confirmed, a member of the military police. RIP.

[Cava]

A seventh death has been confirmed, a member of the military police. RIP.

very sad.

RIP

Some pictures of the sad day.

http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00209/aanslag_apeldoorn_1_209097a.jpg
http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00209/apeldoorn_serie1_209120a.jpg
http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00209/apeldoorn_serie_3_209122a.jpg
http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00209/apeldoorn_serie_4_209123a.jpg
http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00209/apeldoorn_serie_B_209288a.jpg
http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00209/apeldoorn_oranjes_g_209114a.jpg
http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00209/aanslag_apeldoorn_3_209092a.jpg
http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00209/apeldoorn_serie_A_209289a.jpg
http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00209/apeldoorn_slachtoff_209115a.jpg
http://www.ad.nl/multimedia/archive/00209/apeldoorn_dader_3_209281a.jpg

[Climber]

Hope this mofo is burning in hell.^^^

[Kaaskop]

The injured one from the Marechaussee (military police) died as well. Seven dead so far :(
http://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/2009/05/01/46130869/Marechausseemedewerker_aan_verwondingen_Koninginnedag_overleden (in Dutch though)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5347/300420091408tcm44511498.jpg

Edit: oops, didn't read Hollereer's comment

[tercio67]

I just hope that all this will not change the way things are done in our country.

End of the cycling monarchy?


A queen going places on her bike and allowing herself to be kissed by a passer-by when she is among her subjects: outside of the Netherlands people thought that a bit strange. So will the Orange family finally become an "ordinary" royal family?
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/region/netherlands/090501-queen-bicycle-mc

[King of the Grey]

RIP to the fallen.

The perpetrator died an easy death...now Holland, a fairly liberal country, will have a shadow of doubt and fear lingering over the people

[Laworkerbee]

Hope this mofo is burning in hell.^^^

X2 Mental health case or not, **** him.

[Switek]

X2 Mental health case or not, **** him.

I'm sympathized with all victims ... including assassin himself. I'm far from the will for revenge. Normal men do not act that way....

[Niels]

It's a tragic incident, no doubt about that, but people are overdramatizing it a tad. If it didn't happen infront of a big crowd with lots of cameras, nobody would have given a damn and those deaths would have been another statistic.

You can't exactly call this a well planned assassination plot against the Queen. It's the result of a desperate madman doing something impulsive. You can assign a whole army to the protection of the Royal family, some lunatic can still run over a dozen people in a Suzuki Swift. These things just happen sometimes and there's not much you can do about them (except making sure blockades actually block). Saying how he has ruined Queen's Day forever and how we will have to live in fear is absurd. Next year people will be getting drunk as usual and this event will be remembered by a 30 second segment on the evening news. Move on, keep going.

[khukuri]

Rip for all killed


nut cases, they happen

[DaGreatRV]

Queens Day stays as it was.
Sources around the royal family report that the Queen and her family have no intention to yield to violence. They will apear in public like they allways have.
She will fully take part in the 4th and 5th of May events.

source: http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/110234/-Beatrix:-Koninginnedag-blijft-zoals-het-is.html




If I may comment on this, I have to say it's great to see the Queen show her backbone, as it should be.

[BAF]

It's a tragic incident, no doubt about that, but people are overdramatizing it a tad. If it didn't happen infront of a big crowd with lots of cameras, nobody would have given a damn and those deaths would have been another statistic.

You can't exactly call this a well planned assassination plot against the Queen. It's the result of a desperate madman doing something impulsive. You can assign a whole army to the protection of the Royal family, some lunatic can still run over a dozen people in a Suzuki Swift. These things just happen sometimes and there's not much you can do about them (except making sure blockades actually block). Saying how he has ruined Queen's Day forever and how we will have to live in fear is absurd. Next year people will be getting drunk as usual and this event will be remembered by a 30 second segment on the evening news. Move on, keep going.


overdramatizing?? what else schould they do? not give any attention to it? and what happend will stay in the peoples mind for a long long time. and not just because it happend infront of a big crowd. but because its so ****ed up.

[Hollereer]

RIP to the fallen.

The perpetrator died an easy death...now Holland, a fairly liberal country, will have a shadow of doubt and fear lingering over the people

A fairly liberal country, haha do you know a country thats more liberal than Holland?, at least we are lucky it wasnt a muslim extremist or else our national clown Geert Wilders would definatly become MP, and then the **** would really hit the fan.

But i am sure we will still celebrate queensday next year, our royal family is not a family that wants to hide in armoured cars, which is again made clear by the message that they will be there at the 4th and 5th of may.

[DaGreatRV]

The Queen and the royal family visit the people, who were injured on the 30th of april in apeldoorn, in several hospitals around the country.

source: http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/110244/-%5BUpd%5D-Koninklijke-familie-op-ziekenbezoek-gewonden.html

[Mordoror]

after seen the footage the questions here are : how this guy managed to come so close of the royal bus
keep in mind that if he was a kamikaze with 500 kg of RDX in his car, he would have been close enough to vaporize the entire royal family
it is har dto say for the victims but i guess this event is a "cheap" warning for the security teams of the Royal members

anyway RIP to the innocents

[Walter Sobchak]

And how is that relevant to this incident?

Just commenting on the politicizing of "threats". Not attempting to hijack...

[RSone]

after seen the footage the questions here are : how this guy managed to come so close of the royal bus
keep in mind that if he was a kamikaze with 500 kg of RDX in his car, he would have been close enough to vaporize the entire royal family
it is har dto say for the victims but i guess this event is a "cheap" warning for the security teams of the Royal members

anyway RIP to the innocents

500 Kg of RDX? Dude, i'd be surprised if a Swift weighs more than 800 kg. I doubt it can lug around 500 kilos of high explosive fast enough, like how the car actually moved on Queens' Day. Not to mention 500 kg would be more than enough to vaporize everyone in a atleas 150 meter radius.
And where is joe shmoe without a job(and a serious case of social rage) gonna get half a ton of high explosive? This is still one of most safe countries in the world......

[Mordoror]

500 Kg of RDX? Dude, i'd be surprised if a Swift weighs more than 800 kg. I doubt it can lug around 500 kilos of high explosive fast enough, like how the car actually moved on Queens' Day. Not to mention 500 kg would be more than enough to vaporize everyone in a atleas 150 meter radius.
And where is joe shmoe without a job(and a serious case of social rage) gonna get half a ton of high explosive? This is still one of most safe countries in the world......

come on my friend
you are playing on the words here
500 kg is a kind of "image" as we say in French
i could have said 100-200 kg of nitro-chlorate or 3/4 can of gaz or a bunch of dynamite rods (the two first being easy to obtain, the third one a little more difficult but still can be stolen in demolition stockpiles as it is regularly done anywhere in Europe)

what if it was not "joe shmoe" but any kind of extremist (especially as the Ducth forces are engaged in Astan you can figure who ...... but not only, 30 years ago you had problems with Moluccan separatists, who knows who can use your country or country top authorities as symbolic targets ...)

the question remains : how to ensure proper safety of the Royal family while none impering their close relationship with the people .....

[Cava]

There is anoter woman died yesterdaynight,

the 7th casulty.

RIP

[Player]

What a waste of innocent lives. RIP.

[Gleipnir]

There is some new information regarding the perpetrator, Karst T. that is being interpreted as signifiers of rightwing ideology.
He has a tatoo on his body of 'runes' commonly associated with 'rightwing groups'. According to the paper, De Telegraaf, these are the double Sig runes that the Schutzstaffel (SS) used as their insignia.
He also has a tattoo of an anchor.
This information comes from an anonymous source so I suggest waiting for more verifiable information to come out before conclusions are drawn.
There are already theories suggesting that he used the Suzuki Swift as his vehicle because of the SS. (oh really?) Also that his hair-style (Travis Bickle styled mohawk) and clothing style appear to be similar to how rightwingers dress.
Let's wait and see.

discussion concerning his tattoos, etc. (in Dutch)
http://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel/rtlboulevard/miMedia/2009/week20/di_extreem.avi_plain.xml

Telegraaf article\
(also in Dutch)
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3904686/___Karst_T._was_extreem-rechts___.html?p=19,2

As I said before, this information comes from an anonymous source.

[RSone]

A bit late, but nevertheless watch what happened during Remembrance Day on Dam Square(which was by the way also affected, a lot less people were allowed on the square).
http://www.youtube.com/v/NzlF6DkPYkY
The Queen is a strong woman. She's lost her both her parents and her husband relatively short after each other(several years back now) and she still continues on...