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LeMat
06-27-2004, 05:05 PM
I have read:
Young Jew stabbed in Beldium
Synagogue set on fire in France
Jewish cementery profanated in Germany
And why people say that Poles are anti-semitic? I have never heard about any attacks on Jews in my country. Destroying graves on jewish cementary? Not in Poland. Only one anti-semit thing is that sometimes you can see some stupid inscription on walls (like `Jude Raus`) made by some assholes.
So why so many Jews thinks that Poles hate them?

Seraphim
06-27-2004, 05:08 PM
Theres been vandalism at jewish schools, neighbourhoods and cemetarys in Canada.

Moledet
06-27-2004, 05:15 PM
Theres been vandalism at jewish schools, neighbourhoods and cemetarys in Canada.
Before US citizens come here and start saying bull**** about Europe/Canada, read:
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASUS_12/4464_12.htm

Moledet
06-27-2004, 05:18 PM
I have read:
Young Jew stabbed in Beldium
Synagogue set on fire in France
Jewish cementery profanated in Germany
And why people say that Poles are anti-semitic? I have never heard about any attacks on Jews in my country. Destroying graves on jewish cementary? Not in Poland. Only one anti-semit thing is that sometimes you can see some stupid inscription on walls (like `Jude Raus`) made by some assholes.
So why so many Jews thinks that Poles hate them?
Poles are more, hmmm discreet, they hold antisemitic believes but they are afraid to express them in public. For example: When I ask my grandmother to translate me responses in Polish news sites (Interia.pl) I'm pretty amazed to read so many Jewish stereotypes and antisemitic believes and so much hate towards Israel and Jews.

Fredd00
06-27-2004, 05:38 PM
Allow me to give you a hand exactly what part, what site?

interia.pl and next where?

b.scheller
06-27-2004, 05:39 PM
Its quite unfortunete, there are Anti-semitists everywhere. I think it comes from the low amount of education and government lies. I do not deny the problem, but at the same time it would be wrong to say that everyone has fallen into that trap...

tony6
06-27-2004, 05:46 PM
Poles are more, hmmm discreet, they hold antisemitic believes but they are afraid to express them in public. For example: When I ask my grandmother to translate me responses in Polish news sites (Interia.pl) I'm pretty amazed to read so many Jewish stereotypes and antisemitic believes and so much hate towards Israel and Jews.
You mean comment to the news on the internet?
Man-what plant R U from? :D
There are many morons in the net and they comment EVERY news (not only those related with Jews but EVERY) in their own moronic-way.
I happend to read some of those "comments" on the Gazeta Wyborcza site once. It was about aor invovment in Iraq and man-my conclusion was simple: normal people just don't write so much bull**** in the net.
Reading it is just a waste of time. Really.

LeMat
06-27-2004, 05:53 PM
Poles are more, hmmm discreet, they hold antisemitic believes but they are afraid to express them in public. For example: When I ask my grandmother to translate me responses in Polish news sites (Interia.pl) I'm pretty amazed to read so many Jewish stereotypes and antisemitic believes and so much hate towards Israel and Jews.

If you will look on www.gazeta.pl you will see something strange. On this site you can see part of IP in responses.
99% of anti-semitisc responses are from Poles who live in USA and Germany. In Poland we really don`t think that Jews are our enemies. We don`t like Sharon and his politic but we really aren`t anti-semitism.
Go to Poland and try. We really dont want to :-*$ you.

Seraphim
06-27-2004, 05:56 PM
I just dont understand why people are anti semites. Whats wrong with jewish people?

Moledet
06-27-2004, 05:57 PM
Allow me to give you a hand exactly what part, what site?

interia.pl and next where?
Ha? what do you mean what part? There are news in the home page.

S'13
06-27-2004, 05:58 PM
After the the Shoah there were 90,000 Jews left in Poland out of the once 3000,000 Jews. Many Polish Jews who fled to Russia returned, and the number of Jews grew to more than 250,000.

The Jews who returned felt like refugees in their own homeland. Polish authorities and citizens refused to give back property to the original Jewish owners and at times even threatened Jews that they would lose thier lives if they kept on insisting on returning the property to there ownership.

In a pogrom in the year 1946 in the Polish town of Kilza 42 Jews were murdered.

After this event most Jews left Poland (many to Israel).

It is estimated that over 1000 Polish Jews were murdered in Poland in the years following the Shoah.

As of 2002, only 1,100 Jews were living in Poland.

Fredd00
06-27-2004, 05:59 PM
Allow me to give you a hand exactly what part, what site?

interia.pl and next where?
Ha? what do you mean what part? There are news in the home page.

Ok so when i would say yahoo.com is an antisemic page...

I want details, you mentioned interia.pl its something like polish yahoo or excite.com Tell me where can I find antisemitic content there?


It is estimated that over 1000 Polish Jews were murdered in Poland in the years following the Shoah.

By who?

Moledet
06-27-2004, 06:01 PM
I just dont understand why people are anti semites. Whats wrong with jewish people?
What do you mean? We are thieves, we control all the money in the world, we control people minds through the media, we kill little babies and Palestinian children, we are ugly with big nose, we are fat and our back is curved, we make Matzot from christian babies blood, we are spreading terror all over the 7 seas (didn't you know that 9/11 was planned by Jews?), we are religoius zealots, we control the US, and many more antisemitic beliefes.

Moledet
06-27-2004, 06:03 PM
Allow me to give you a hand exactly what part, what site?

interia.pl and next where?
Ha? what do you mean what part? There are news in the home page.

Ok so when i would say yahoo.com is an antisemic page...

I want details, you mentioned interia.pl its something like polish yahoo or excite.com Tell me where can I find antisemitic content there?

In the responses that are being written by Polish posters.

Seraphim
06-27-2004, 06:03 PM
I just dont understand why people are anti semites. Whats wrong with jewish people?
What do you mean? We are thieves, we control all the money in the world, we control people minds through the media, we kill little babies and Palestinian children, we are ugly with big nose, we are fat and our back is curved, we make Matzot from christian babies blood, we are spreading terror all over the 7 seas (didn't you know that 9/11 was planned by Jews?), we are religoius zealots, we control the US, and many more antisemitic beliefes.

Back is curved?...never heard of that one before.

I just know you make good comedys :lol:

Fredd00
06-27-2004, 06:23 PM
In the responses that are being written by Polish posters.

It's pointless obviously, once, long time ago, far, far away there were the king......

SHALOM

LeMat
06-27-2004, 06:24 PM
S'13

Yes. It is sad but true :(
But try to find how many Jews were members of communistic secret police (SB). Many of them were murdering polish people. After 1945 about 1000 Jews were murdered in Poland. But after 1945 up to 1000000 Poles were murdered by communists. And many of the communists were Jews. There were about 1% Jews in Poland after 1945 but in SB (communists secret police) there were 10% of Jews! For example:
- Salomon Morel
- Natan Grunspan-Kikiel
- Jakub Berman
So don`t think that you were saint. Both of our nations have blood on hands. :(

b.scheller
06-27-2004, 06:35 PM
Thats how these things get started. It shouldn't have mattered what religion or ethnicity you come from. We were all Polish, but many still do not understand that. They think because they are catholics, for some reason they are better Pole's and human-beings.

To think that people had grown up and learned something especially after the war. I guess people are very stubborn...

S'13
06-27-2004, 06:37 PM
S'13

Yes. It is sad but true :(
But try to find how many Jews were members of communistic secret police (SB). Many of them were murdering polish people. After 1945 about 1000 Jews were murdered in Poland. But after 1945 up to 1000000 Poles were murdered by communists. And many of the communists were Jews. There were about 1% Jews in Poland after 1945 but in SB (communists secret police) there were 10% of Jews! For example:
- Salomon Morel
- Natan Grunspan-Kikiel
- Jakub Berman
So don`t think that you were saint. Both of our nations have blood on hands. :(

And Jews didn't suffer under Communist rule?

Except for Anti-Semitism, Communism was one of the main reasons Jews left Poland.

So 10% of the SB was made up of Jews, what about the other 90%?

It's much easier blaming the Jews for all the hardships than simply blaming communists, isn't it? :roll:

Marmot1
06-27-2004, 06:37 PM
After the the Shoah there were 90,000 Jews left in Poland out of the once 3000,000 Jews. Many Polish Jews who fled to Russia returned, and the number of Jews grew to more than 250,000.

The Jews who returned felt like refugees in their own homeland. Polish authorities and citizens refused to give back property to the original Jewish owners and at times even threatened Jews that they would lose thier lives if they kept on insisting on returning the property to there ownership.

Same happened to milions of poles who returned to poland many polish citizens were robbed by comunists and their property nationalized so do not create impresion that it was directed only to jews since poles were treated in the same way. And to this time there are hundreds of thousand of ppl who were kicked out of their land and they still fight in courts for returning it but it is not a simple case since their demands are enormous and state simply do not have money to poy beck to everybody.
In a pogrom in the year 1946 in the Polish town of Kilza 42 Jews were murdered.

It was Kielce not Kilza and it was incident ispired by MO (Peoples Militia) comunist police, they blamed then polish underground for that even that it was year after a war (sic!). They (commies) simply needed a reason to get rid of several ppl...

After this event most Jews left Poland (many to Israel).

Not after this event but after creation of Israel in 1947.... but it seems natural to me that ppl wanted to go to their own country instead of living in a country which was destroyed by war where were 6mln homeless enormous unemployment lacks of food and commies gripping power...

It is estimated that over 1000 Polish Jews were murdered in Poland in the years following the Shoah.
Also over 100 000 poles were murdered... so what??? everyone had a gun there was enormous crime rate like in bagdad now many jews died not becouse they were jews but in pure criminal murders. Also many by a strange coincidence cooperated with comunist regime and were executed for cooperation with commies, like many polish colaborators were


As of 2002, only 1,100 Jews were living in Poland.

4000 Jews who admit being jews...(acording to my data) but there are a lot of jews who deny any jewish roots and even changed names to cover their roots... like Bronislaw Gieremek, Jacek Kuroń, Jerzy Urban, Adam Michnik , Marek Borowski.... they or their parents changed names when they came to poland some of them openly admit that they are jews and some deny it even if there e evidence that they changed names in courts.... I think that there is maybe around 100 000 jews and half jews in poland but most of them refer to themselves as polish atheists not polish jews..

intelligenzija
06-27-2004, 06:37 PM
They think because they are catholics, for some reason they are better Pole's and human-beings.

...and the other way around

Fredd00
06-27-2004, 07:07 PM
I'd better post my next message here

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/

Seraphim
06-27-2004, 07:20 PM
I'd better post my next message here

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/

How about just take yourself off this website and stay on that one.

Fredd00
06-27-2004, 07:22 PM
How about just take yourself off this website and stay on that one.

Negative!

Seraphim
06-27-2004, 07:27 PM
How about just take yourself off this website and stay on that one.

Negative!

Soon it might not be up to you to decide that.

Sayeret
06-27-2004, 07:29 PM
I'd better post my next message here

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/

Fredd00 the guy on your avatar wasn't racist unlike yourself and the only reason he joined the Confederates was because he was born in the South.

UoUo
06-27-2004, 07:34 PM
I don;t get it...some of the poles here claims that there are no antisemtic In poland? not at all????

Marmot1
06-27-2004, 07:34 PM
S'13

Yes. It is sad but true :(
But try to find how many Jews were members of communistic secret police (SB). Many of them were murdering polish people. After 1945 about 1000 Jews were murdered in Poland. But after 1945 up to 1000000 Poles were murdered by communists. And many of the communists were Jews. There were about 1% Jews in Poland after 1945 but in SB (communists secret police) there were 10% of Jews! For example:
- Salomon Morel
- Natan Grunspan-Kikiel
- Jakub Berman
So don`t think that you were saint. Both of our nations have blood on hands. :(

And Jews didn't suffer under Communist rule?

Except for Anti-Semitism, Communism was one of the main reasons Jews left Poland.

So 10% of the SB was made up of Jews, what about the other 90%?

It's much easier blaming the Jews for all the hardships than simply blaming communists, isn't it? :roll:

No it os not easier but as you see Jews were overrepresented in commie goverment and secret police ,same was with polish comunist party before WW2... in 1935 40% of regular members of party were jews and when polish goverment disbanded commie party they went underground and i.e. around 80% of top party activist were jews while before disbanding only around 30%...... while number of jewish "regular" members was at the same level. So basicaly every action against commies BEFORE WW2 was reported be commies as an antisemitic action against Jews... Many jews who escaped from poland did it becouse after hardcore commie goverment from 50's adopted a new way - "communism with human face" they prosecuted old guards who were haten to win ppl support... and while many of them were jews they used antisemitism as an rewason why they escaped from poland like prosecutor Zwolńska which escaped to Engalnd... now poland demand her extradition for crimes commited in 50's- so called court murders when ppl were sentenced under false accusations and executed by commies. Now she says that poland demand her extradiction becouse she is jew... (she is acused of war crimes ) also there is a guy Salomon Morel he was in commie SB (secret police) and is responsible for death of over 1000 german civilians as well as many poles after war and there are pending accusation on crimes against humanity and war crimes on him.... guess where he ecscaped ???? to Israel and now he is claiming that poland demand his extradiction from the antisemitic reasons.... This is total bull**** we are trying to apperhend and put on trial all criminals from the commie era no mater what race, religion they are... but becouse jews were overrrepresented in comie secret police and commie "justice" (comparing to rest of population) it is normal that more jews are wanted for that kind crimes but not only jews... belive me many poles also.

Sayeret
06-27-2004, 07:40 PM
I don;t get it...some of the poles here claims that there are no antisemtic In poland? not at all????

I guess so, this is pretty stupid.

Marmot1
06-27-2004, 07:41 PM
I just dont understand why people are anti semites. Whats wrong with jewish people?
What do you mean? We are thieves, we control all the money in the world, we control people minds through the media, we kill little babies and Palestinian children, we are ugly with big nose, we are fat and our back is curved, we make Matzot from christian babies blood, we are spreading terror all over the 7 seas (didn't you know that 9/11 was planned by Jews?), we are religoius zealots, we control the US, and many more antisemitic beliefes.

While I am in US now I can confirm the underlined part p-)

Seraphim
06-27-2004, 07:44 PM
I just dont understand why people are anti semites. Whats wrong with jewish people?
What do you mean? We are thieves, we control all the money in the world, we control people minds through the media, we kill little babies and Palestinian children, we are ugly with big nose, we are fat and our back is curved, we make Matzot from christian babies blood, we are spreading terror all over the 7 seas (didn't you know that 9/11 was planned by Jews?), we are religoius zealots, we control the US, and many more antisemitic beliefes.

While I am in US now I can confirm the underlined part p-)

To even joke about that is :roll:

Moledet
06-27-2004, 07:45 PM
I just dont understand why people are anti semites. Whats wrong with jewish people?
What do you mean? We are thieves, we control all the money in the world, we control people minds through the media, we kill little babies and Palestinian children, we are ugly with big nose, we are fat and our back is curved, we make Matzot from christian babies blood, we are spreading terror all over the 7 seas (didn't you know that 9/11 was planned by Jews?), we are religoius zealots, we control the US, and many more antisemitic beliefes.

While I am in US now I can confirm the underlined part p-)
I can't see any underlined part.

Navy
06-27-2004, 07:59 PM
The problem we have here is communication.

People in europe dosent hate jews (exclude muslim extremist). I think that this anti-semetic thing is overrated (atleast in northern Europe). It doesnt matter if you are jewish, christian or whatever. People see themselves as swedes, norwegian...
I had a jewish-girl in my class and nobody picked on her. Jews are very well integrated in our society and have many high ranking posts.

It is the left-wing media and muslim extremist (quite a few up here) who try to make this a europe vs. jews thing.

Another problem is that Israel isnt too good at PR.

UoUo
06-27-2004, 08:02 PM
PR?

Seraphim
06-27-2004, 08:07 PM
PR?

Public Relations

tacticalmanta
06-27-2004, 08:12 PM
Let's talk about the convent built on the wall of Auschwitz to austencibly pray for the damned soles of the Jews.. or how the Polish government wants the Jews (in Israel and theUS) to pay to have it removed.

Or we can talk about personal accounts of Jews being attacked in Poland solely for have a kippa on.. in the 1990s and today.

Or we can just watch the movie Shoah and see several hours of common Europeans talk about how happy they were to see the Germans stoke-up the ovens.

There is a lot of denial going on here.

Navy
06-27-2004, 08:15 PM
Well we swedes are at least innocent. Remember Raoul Wallenberg. Actually i think he was jewish.

tacticalmanta
06-27-2004, 08:16 PM
Saab engines in German hands?

Navy
06-27-2004, 08:20 PM
I dont denial that we sold minerals to the germans. Hell we where suronded. Germans in th west, east, south and north. I dont like what we did but going to war wouldnt help anybody.

Moledet
06-27-2004, 08:25 PM
I dont denial that we sold minerals to the germans. Hell we where suronded. Germans in th west, east, south and north. I dont like what we did but going to war wouldnt help anybody.
...except of the Swedish Jews that could have more time to escape.

Navy
06-27-2004, 08:27 PM
i dont follow you brother.

Moledet
06-27-2004, 08:34 PM
i dont follow you brother.
"going to war wouldnt help anybody."...except of the Swedish Jews that could have more time to escape.

Navy
06-27-2004, 08:41 PM
Sorry I dont understand you. They didnt need to escape cause it was safe in Sweden.

Jews escaped TO Sweden; not from.

tacticalmanta
06-27-2004, 08:44 PM
ever seen this?

http://www.jewwatch.com/

tacticalmanta
06-27-2004, 08:56 PM
The deathlist is the only source we have to know how many Jews who died during the econd World War. It was written by Richard Korherrs in 1943 and we still don?t know if there were even more Jews killed than what this list tells us. 12 million people died in the Second World War and 5 819 960 of them where Jews.

Countries Number of killed Jews
Germany 125 000
Austria 65 000
Chezcoslovakia 277 000
Hungary 402 000
France 82 000
Belgium 24 000
Luxemburg 700
Italy 75 000
Holland 106 000
Romainia 40 000
Yugoslavia 60 000
Greece 65 000
Norway 760
Poland and the sovjetunio 4 565 000 <--- busy bees
Total killed jews 5 819 960

mack pl
06-28-2004, 02:13 AM
Poland and the sovjetunio 4 565 000 <--- busy bees

/\ WTF thats mean ?????????????????????????????????

Hey, Tacticalshanta- whta you wanna say? We know how many Jews were killed during WWII. The question is: Why? and Who killed them?
BTW do you know how many Poles, Yugoslavian, Russian, etc were killed? Fuk, Im sure you don't, because only Jewishh are important for you, yeah? Yes, they were killing everywhere, but other nations suffered too in WWII. Don't forget about 3 milions Poles+ 3 milion polish Jews(they were our citizenz, so it was our casaulties too).

Fuk, this discussion is stupid :cantbeli:

Sure, we have a lot of antisemitists in Poland. Like in all fukin world(maybe China and Fiji haven't got). And what? Should we say sorry? BTW how many antipolish peoples live in Israel? Ohh, maybe all Jewish really love Poles? Maybe even our israeli frien Moledat haven't got any antipolish belives :cantbeli:

Shalom alehem all :|

Fredd00
06-28-2004, 02:28 AM
Saab engines in German hands?.

Funny, how easy blame everyboady around - how about ERHARD MILCH - deputy of Herman Goering responsible for bombardment of Warsaw, Coventry, London and so on....
:lol:

He was made by Goerin himself "honour Aryan" which meant....well, you damn well what it ment. Allow, me to add he wasn't the only one "honour Aryan" in the Third Reich :lol:

tony6
06-28-2004, 02:29 AM
12 million people died in the Second World War
...are You retarded or sth???

mack pl
06-28-2004, 02:53 AM
12 million people died in the Second World War
...are You retarded or sth???

STFU Tony :bash: Tacticalshanta know better than you :|

Kurwa, znalazł sie historyk z bożej łaski :( <----to o taktycznymszmaciarzu

jmatucd
06-28-2004, 03:00 AM
The deathlist is the only source we have to know how many Jews who died during the econd World War. It was written by Richard Korherrs in 1943 and we still don?t know if there were even more Jews killed than what this list tells us. 12 million people died in the Second World War and 5 819 960 of them where Jews.

Countries Number of killed Jews
Germany 125 000
Austria 65 000
Chezcoslovakia 277 000
Hungary 402 000
France 82 000
Belgium 24 000
Luxemburg 700
Italy 75 000
Holland 106 000
Romainia 40 000
Yugoslavia 60 000
Greece 65 000
Norway 760
Poland and the sovjetunio 4 565 000 <--- busy bees
Total killed jews 5 819 960

oh my what a fool - about 60 million people died in WW2
The reason why Poland holds the position of most Jewish deaths is simple - The Nazis established the worst concentration/death camps in Poland

If you are somehow claiming that Poland set these camps up and sent Polish Jews, Jews from surrounding Europe and Catholic Poles to the ovens then you are sadly mistaken. The Nazi Germans did this.

The very notion that you would associate Poland with the idea of being "busy bees" is despicable.

The country was under a military occupation. Learn some history before you parade your ignorance and lack of thought.

tacticalmanta
06-29-2004, 04:06 PM
hey idiots... (http://www.triangel.skola.kiruna.se/forineng/page3.html)
I was quoting a source. It's amasing how stupid some of you are! These numbers are referring to victims of the Shoah, not the total number of people who died during WW2.

Your responses to my post show how close-minded and ignorant you can be!

tacticalmanta
06-29-2004, 04:10 PM
Here are the numbers minus gays, gypsies, and other victims of the NAZIs

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/killedtable.html

Feel better!? Maybe in this simple fashion you won't get confused by your basic animalistic emotions.

Secret Squirrel
06-29-2004, 05:07 PM
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tacticalmanta
06-29-2004, 05:09 PM
This thread has been hijacked by the nut-sucking troll.. Another good thread ruined by Squirrel.. way to go.. way to prove me right about you.

mack pl
06-30-2004, 05:52 AM
nut-sucking troll.
its your second name, yeah.

pozdrawiam serdecznie

citizen-k
06-30-2004, 11:12 AM
I have read:
Young Jew stabbed in Beldium
Synagogue set on fire in France
Jewish cementery profanated in Germany
And why people say that Poles are anti-semitic? I have never heard about any attacks on Jews in my country. Destroying graves on jewish cementary? Not in Poland. Only one anti-semit thing is that sometimes you can see some stupid inscription on walls (like `Jude Raus`) made by some assholes.
So why so many Jews thinks that Poles hate them?

rofl

"I have never heard about any attacks on Jews in my country"

THATS BECAUSE ALL OF THEM ARE D-E-A-D!!! :cantbeli:

Last time I visited Warsaw I saw many "white power" signs and each and every school had swastikas painted on the walls - so don't say "some painting made by some assholes"

You being obsessed about Jews&Poles tells me your a bit paranoid about the issue...

Herrmannek
06-30-2004, 11:25 AM
Those sfstikas on wals weren't for Jews with is very little here and I think noone seen one personaly havent seen Jew I could tell he is Jew... But for other soccer teams fans. This is like waering crosses by atheists. They think this is cool and funky and whatever, so they wear them or spray them on walls, but they don't have any knowledge about christianity or nazism.....

b.scheller
06-30-2004, 11:32 AM
Theirs no use in denying the fact that there are neo-nazis and skinheads in Poland. Much like everywhere else, its a small minority of kids; who usually come from broken homes, they don't go to school, and they don't have anything to do with themselves.

perdurabo
06-30-2004, 11:35 AM
rofl

"I have never heard about any attacks on Jews in my country"

THATS BECAUSE ALL OF THEM ARE D-E-A-D!!! :cantbeli:

Last time I visited Warsaw I saw many "white power" signs and each and every school had swastikas painted on the walls - so don't say "some painting made by some assholes"

You being obsessed about Jews&Poles tells me your a bit paranoid about the issue...
Not true you where in Poland, you visited places like Kazimierz in Cracov?
And as far as i remeber there where anti-semitic singns on walls even in TelAviv so? this means that even Israel is full of antisemites? you know that one stupid **** can in one night can paint atleast hundred signs ...

And this about all Polish Jews dead: did we killed them?

citizen-k
06-30-2004, 11:48 AM
rofl

"I have never heard about any attacks on Jews in my country"

THATS BECAUSE ALL OF THEM ARE D-E-A-D!!! :cantbeli:

Last time I visited Warsaw I saw many "white power" signs and each and every school had swastikas painted on the walls - so don't say "some painting made by some assholes"

You being obsessed about Jews&Poles tells me your a bit paranoid about the issue...
Not true you where in Poland, you visited places like Kazimierz in Cracov?
And as far as i remeber there where anti-semitic singns on walls even in TelAviv so? this means that even Israel is full of antisemites? you know that one stupid f*** can in one night can paint atleast hundred signs ...

And this about all Polish Jews dead: did we killed them?

If you think that only Germans pulled triggers in Poland you are mistaken.

W(M)D
06-30-2004, 11:50 AM
Poland killed it's fair % over the years through local pogroms (pre WWII) and there was a large complicity in WWII by the local population. This ground has been covered so often - yawn!

Alphabet76
06-30-2004, 11:56 AM
Poland killed it's fair % over the years through local pogroms (pre WWII) and there was a large complicity in WWII by the local population. This ground has been covered so often - yawn!

OK. Lets stop it. Give us the numbers (don't forget giving a source) of STFU. Thank you.

perdurabo
06-30-2004, 11:58 AM
Poland killed it's fair % over the years through local pogroms (pre WWII) and there was a large complicity in WWII by the local population. This ground has been covered so often - yawn!
Please give exact numbers names and data.
And CK if you think that Jews didn't "pulled a trigger" to kill Poles you are mistaken. For egzample Koniuchy massacre. Or Polish officers and inteligence denounced by Jews to NKVD? Or maybe idea of Judeo-Polonia? There is meany pics of happy Jews welcoming red army afther 17 september 39....
Your nation dosent have clean hands too.

UkrainianAmerican
06-30-2004, 12:08 PM
Poland killed it's fair % over the years through local pogroms (pre WWII) and there was a large complicity in WWII by the local population. This ground has been covered so often - yawn!
Please give exact numbers names and data.
And CK if you think that Jews didn't "pulled a trigger" to kill Poles you are mistaken. For egzample Koniuchy massacre. Or Polish officers and inteligence denounced by Jews to NKVD? Or maybe idea of Judeo-Polonia? There is meany pics of happy Jews welcoming red army afther 17 september 39....
Your nation dosent have clean hands too.
Thats because they got tired of nazi-supporting peasants harrasing them.

W(M)D
06-30-2004, 12:10 PM
Do a google or similar web search, but here is one example of Polish behaviour:

http://www.radzilow.com/districtpogroms.htm

By the way, do you distinguish the actions of Polish protestants or Catholics like you do when you refer to Polish Jews? Surely they are as Polish as you?

citizen-k
06-30-2004, 12:45 PM
Poland killed it's fair % over the years through local pogroms (pre WWII) and there was a large complicity in WWII by the local population. This ground has been covered so often - yawn!
Please give exact numbers names and data.
And CK if you think that Jews didn't "pulled a trigger" to kill Poles you are mistaken. For egzample Koniuchy massacre. Or Polish officers and inteligence denounced by Jews to NKVD? Or maybe idea of Judeo-Polonia? There is meany pics of happy Jews welcoming red army afther 17 september 39....
Your nation dosent have clean hands too.

I wonder why Jews welcomed the red army...

As for "Koniuchy massacre" - there were ONLY 36 deads, which were killed by 100-120 people, which about 50 of them were Jews.

The only websites mentioning this case are Polish, most of them anti-semiti oriented...

Got any better links in English which I can read?

What I don't get is why are you talking about them as Jews - they did what they did as "Communists", not as Jews.
Unlike many Poles who simply shot their neighbours in order to take their homes - which is a bit different (and there were a BIT more the 36 cases)

Herrmannek
06-30-2004, 12:48 PM
I wonder why Jews welcomed the red army...

As for "Koniuchy massacre" - there were ONLY 36 deads, which were killed by 100-120 people, which about 50 of them were Jews.

The only websites mentioning this case are Polish, most of them anti-semiti oriented...

Got any better links in English which I can read?

What I don't get is why are you talking about them as Jews - they did what they did as "Communists", not as Jews.
Unlike many Poles who simply shot their neighbours in order to take their homes - which is a bit different (and there were a BIT more the 36 cases)

BTW why your refer those killing neibourghs as Poles not like criminals? This was crime and they were sentenced and still are. If you have any data gave it to IPN.

Lets wait for end of investigations. There was more cases like Koniuchy, but weren't investigeted earlier because they involved communist movments...

Alphabet76
06-30-2004, 12:50 PM
Poland killed it's fair % over the years through local pogroms (pre WWII) and there was a large complicity in WWII by the local population. This ground has been covered so often - yawn!
You were asked for data to confirm your claim, were you?


Do a google or similar web search, but here is one example of Polish behaviour:

Probably it is possible to find some anti-semitic website (you can use google if you like) and use it as a proove how evil the Jews are. So what. Not all the things people write on the internet are true. Some of them are lies, some are half-truths, some are biased. For example the website you cite:

http://www.radzilow.com/districtpogroms.htm

contains some information about the massacre in Jedwabne:
"Before the war there were 2800 Jews there. They were all burned in a barn."
This is an extract from an extract from an original testimony (investigation made in 1945).
Bu there is no information that now it is known that the number of victims was around 340.
It does not change a fact that this was a terrible crime. The perpetrators were found and punished right after the war. Many of them got a capital punishment. And yes, I am sorry that my countryman commited such a horrible criime.

Remember that our country was under german and soviet occupation then, and the policy of the german occupier war not to penalize crimes against Jews. Imagine that in modern day USA or any other civilized coutry a law is introduced that any crimes against some ehnic group are not penalized. What then? In every country (at least every I know there is a small group of criminals), and obviously they would become very active in this hypotetical situation and would start to target this discriminated group.

The website you cite is about what happend in 1941, under german ocupation. what does it have to do with your statement:

Poland killed it's fair % over the years through local pogroms (pre WWII) and there was a large complicity in WWII by the local population. This ground has been covered so often - yawn!
Do you realize how unjust your accusation is? Do you?!

b.scheller
06-30-2004, 12:54 PM
The problem is, that Pole's always try to justify actions done by people they had no control over, the current generation can't justify what others did.

Those who lived decades, centuries ago lived in different times (when they thought that the things they did were justifiable), and the current generation lives in different times as well. The problem is that Pole's don't want to admit to the fact that their fellow countrymen did terrible things, at the same time when others were doing it to them.

We (Pole's) are not completely innocent, but at the same time this generation is not guilty for the crimes of those who lived decades earlier.

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
06-30-2004, 12:57 PM
Do you realize how unjust your accusation is? Do you?!

Aaaaaahhh, it reminds me good old Dirty Harry Callahan:

'Well, do ya, punk?!'


:lol: :lol:

perdurabo
06-30-2004, 01:03 PM
The problem is, that we are trying to justify actions done by people we had no control over, we can't justify what others did. They lived in different times and so do we, Pole's don't want to admit to the fact that their fellow countrymen did terrible things, at the same time when others were doing it to them. We are not completely innocent, but at the same time this generation is not guilty for the crimes of those who lived decades earlier.
No no i have no problem addmiting that some criminals and scumbags that where Poles kiled few Jews but as you see CK(and other) have ojecvtions to admit that Jews where kiling Poles.
CK IPN is dooing investigation when it ends we will know all. They investigated Jedwabne case Gros in his neighbours writed half-truths and lots of BS. IPN mission is to clear out all BS from our history if you have any data send it to them!

b.scheller
06-30-2004, 01:08 PM
Look, why must we still talk about the seperation of Jews and Christians?

Does it really matter whether your Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox or Jewish? For a country that was supposedly so tollerant, it wasn't. We were all Pole's, no matter what our religion or ethnicity may have been. Alot of Pole's were of the Jewish faith, they regarded themselves as Polish; unfortunetly to an average Pole, he wasn't a fellow countryman he was a Jew.

It seems that alot of Pole's think they're better because they are Roman Catholic. It's stupid ignorance...

perdurabo
06-30-2004, 01:18 PM
Look, why must we still talk about the seperation of Jews and Christians?

Does it really matter whether your Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox or Jewish? For a country that was supposedly so tollerant, it wasn't. We were all Pole's, no matter what our religion or ethnicity may have been. Alot of Pole's were of the Jewish faith, they regarded themselves as Polish; unfortunetly to an average Pole, he wasn't a fellow countryman he was a Jew.

It seems that alot of Pole's think they're better because they are Roman Catholic. It's stupid ignorance...
We don't think like that! We think that we are better because we are POLES not because some relgion :lol:
And it is a big matter because MOUST of Poles helped Jews. Poland was only country in europe with death penalty for helping Jews. Why?
Why when some Pierre helped Jewish family he paid penalty and thats all and when some Tomasz helped Jew whole building was sent to death? Why Poles have moust of trees in Yad-Vashem?

Herrmannek
06-30-2004, 01:21 PM
BTW there is strong difference in nationality and citizenship. And it seems you don't understand...

b.scheller
06-30-2004, 01:25 PM
I'm not sure what you mean herman? P.M me

citizen-k
06-30-2004, 01:28 PM
The problem is, that we are trying to justify actions done by people we had no control over, we can't justify what others did. They lived in different times and so do we, Pole's don't want to admit to the fact that their fellow countrymen did terrible things, at the same time when others were doing it to them. We are not completely innocent, but at the same time this generation is not guilty for the crimes of those who lived decades earlier.
No no i have no problem addmiting that some criminals and scumbags that where Poles kiled few Jews but as you see CK(and other) have ojecvtions to admit that Jews where kiling Poles.
CK IPN is dooing investigation when it ends we will know all. They investigated Jedwabne case Gros in his neighbours writed half-truths and lots of BS. IPN mission is to clear out all BS from our history if you have any data send it to them!

Objection? I asked for a link so I'll read more about it - got any?

Also, I don't recall saying All Poles killed Jews... all I said was that some did - some did it in order to get the houses, some did it because they hated Jews and some did it for money or in order to be "saved" by the Germans.

Thousands were killed in the woods, not in gas chambers - the shooters were MOSTLY locals combined by Poles & Ukrainians. ("Regular people" - a history book, you should read it)

Alphabet76
06-30-2004, 01:33 PM
Look, why must we still talk about the seperation of Jews and Christians? For a country that was supposedly so tollerant, it wasn't. We were all Pole's, no matter what our religion or ethnicity may have been. It seems that alot of Pole's think they're better because they are Roman Catholic.
Your wrong. Probably none of the Poles on this forum thinks that way. Hell, I'm not even Catholic. The strict separation between "jews" and "poles" were in fact introduced by the germans. Before the WW2 some of the Jews lived in closed communities (some of them barely spoke polish), but most of polish jews were integrated with the society. And most of the people didn't think abut them as "Jews". They were polish citizens: doctors, teachers, plumbers, drivers, soldiers, thieves and so on. Its mostly understood in Poland but not undersood by some our Jewish friends.
A few examples:
A thief (polish jew) shots a policeman (polish jew), how it would be reported by our dear W(M)D?
Surely: A Jew was killed by a Pole (presumably antisemitic one)
A ghetto policeman (polish jew) kills a doctor (polish jew), what would citizen-k write about it?
Polish policeman supporting german troops killed a Jew. (This is what i read in a review of "Pianist" in one of the newspapers while I was in US)
A criminal (polish non-jew) kills a banker (polish non-jew), what do we read?
A polish criminal killed a banker. Many bankers in Poland are Jews...
... and so on

citizen-k
06-30-2004, 01:35 PM
The problem is, that we are trying to justify actions done by people we had no control over, we can't justify what others did. They lived in different times and so do we, Pole's don't want to admit to the fact that their fellow countrymen did terrible things, at the same time when others were doing it to them. We are not completely innocent, but at the same time this generation is not guilty for the crimes of those who lived decades earlier.
No no i have no problem addmiting that some criminals and scumbags that where Poles kiled few Jews but as you see CK(and other) have ojecvtions to admit that Jews where kiling Poles.
CK IPN is dooing investigation when it ends we will know all. They investigated Jedwabne case Gros in his neighbours writed half-truths and lots of BS. IPN mission is to clear out all BS from our history if you have any data send it to them!

IPN?

You sounds like the swiss bankers who asked for death certificates in order to open dead Jews bank accounts :cantbeli:

b.scheller
06-30-2004, 01:36 PM
Alpha, I was simply making generalizations on other generalizations. If I offended you, I apologize.

Herrmannek
06-30-2004, 01:38 PM
Thousands were killed in the woods, not in gas chambers - the shooters were MOSTLY locals combined by Poles & Ukrainians. ("Regular people" - a history book, you should read it)
Hundred of thousands of Poles died in the forests also... Remember what I said about historical perspective... Facts alone means nothing....

mack pl
06-30-2004, 01:41 PM
blah blah

Hey people, what about we are talking here?In WWII era, every nation make fukin stupid things against Jews. Not only Poles, but Germans(its obvious,lol), French,Ukrainians,Swiss etc. etc. Well, sorry for that, but its history. Anyway, this discussion is pointless for me.

blah blah

shalom pozdro regards

citizen-k
06-30-2004, 01:42 PM
Thousands were killed in the woods, not in gas chambers - the shooters were MOSTLY locals combined by Poles & Ukrainians. ("Regular people" - a history book, you should read it)
Hundred of thousands of Poles died in the forests also... Remember what I said about historical perspective... Facts alone means nothing....

Saying thousands I didn't mean 1500 people - one german unit (101) killed 38,000 Jews in the woods so I guess houndred of thousands were murdered all over Poland.

How many of the shooters who killed Poles were Jews?

(I know 36 were killed by 110 communists, which 50 of them were Jews)

perdurabo
06-30-2004, 01:44 PM
MOSTLY locals combined by Poles & Ukrainians
This statment is BS read about UPA raging and killing Poles and Jews on Wołyń and Podole. My grandmas friend was sliced by a saw by ukrainians from UPA. Also you say Poles about volksdeutsh and Germans with Polish citizenship. Please differ nationality and citizenship.Yes few Poles where scumbags and killed. But don't throw mud on whole nation because you are hurting thousands of ppl that helped Jews, you hang horses on AK woriors on ppl that died in Warsaw Upraising...

Herrmannek
06-30-2004, 01:47 PM
Thousands were killed in the woods, not in gas chambers - the shooters were MOSTLY locals combined by Poles & Ukrainians. ("Regular people" - a history book, you should read it)
Hundred of thousands of Poles died in the forests also... Remember what I said about historical perspective... Facts alone means nothing....

Saying thousands I didn't mean 1500 people - one german unit (101) killed 38,000 Jews in the woods so I guess houndred of thousands were murdered all over Poland.

How many of the shooters who killed Poles were Jews?

(I know 36 were killed by 110 communists, which 50 of them were Jews)

This nuber just jumped to 130
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_in_Koniuchy


In 1944, probably in January, the Polish village of Koniuchy was destroyed by partisans from the Lithuanian Brigade, a group of Jewish soldiers of the Red Army, under the command of Jacob Penner and Shmuel Kaplinsky. The village was not fortified, and the villagers were armed with only a few old rifles. A total of about 130 people were killed indiscriminately.

After the war, some of the partisans (including Chaim Lazaar, Israel Weiss, and Rich Cohen) boasted of the crime. No criminal charges were filed. Their participation in the action may be the reason for the pride of some of the culprits.

b.scheller
06-30-2004, 01:52 PM
as mack pl wrote...lets just drop this...shall we boys ;)

perdurabo
06-30-2004, 01:58 PM
not drop! Dealay until IPN will solve this case!
Also we shouldn drop all dialogue because its in both nations best intrest to reveal truth!

radon
06-30-2004, 04:04 PM
I just dont understand why people are anti semites. Whats wrong with jewish people?

Imho this has alot to do with this maybe.
Say there is a french (insert randow country here) jew. Does he see himself as french or jewish? Israel vs France in football , who does he support? A France vs Israel war, what side is he on?

Saranof
06-30-2004, 05:31 PM
It is the left-wing media and muslim extremist (quite a few up here) who try to make this a europe vs. jews thing.

Another problem is that Israel isnt too good at PR.

Left wing media? Excuse me, but as a member of a left wing party, I cannot remember our "media" saying anything about jews being evil, vile and so.
If anything, "we" criticise Israels policiys sometimes, but not Jews. I can assure you, that no serious "left wing" (define that?) would be anti semitic.

As you said, the problem is that Israel gives bad PR for jews.

UkrainianAmerican
06-30-2004, 11:05 PM
It is the left-wing media and muslim extremist (quite a few up here) who try to make this a europe vs. jews thing.

Another problem is that Israel isnt too good at PR.

Left wing media? Excuse me, but as a member of a left wing party, I cannot remember our "media" saying anything about jews being evil, vile and so.
If anything, "we" criticise Israels policiys sometimes, but not Jews. I can assure you, that no serious "left wing" (define that?) would be anti semitic.

As you said, the problem is that Israel gives bad PR for jews.
Haha. WEll first of all, as bad as Israels PR might be for the Jews, I dont see how its any worse then the PR nmerous arab.muslim states create for the arabs! Yet for some reason you dont use that as an excuse! :cantbeli:

UkrainianAmerican
06-30-2004, 11:08 PM
I just dont understand why people are anti semites. Whats wrong with jewish people?

Imho this has alot to do with this maybe.
Say there is a french (insert randow country here) jew. Does he see himself as french or jewish? Israel vs France in football , who does he support? A France vs Israel war, what side is he on?
Which doesnt explain antisemitism pre-1948.
Also, the overwhelming majority of Jews are loyal to their state (what about all the Finnish jews, who even fought WITH the Nazis, not that I hold much admiration for them)
As for soccer teams, who the f*ck gives a ****.

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 01:07 AM
I just dont understand why people are anti semites. Whats wrong with jewish people?

Imho this has alot to do with this maybe.
Say there is a french (insert randow country here) jew. Does he see himself as french or jewish? Israel vs France in football , who does he support? A France vs Israel war, what side is he on?

Why is it that people are so worried about Jews being more loyal to Israel than their home country, but nobody* worries about Catholics being more loyal to the Pope than their home country? It's the same stupid, inaccurate paranoia.

(*Not including the KKK and nineteenth-century assholes)

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 01:09 AM
Left wing media? Excuse me, but as a member of a left wing party, I cannot remember our "media" saying anything about jews being evil, vile and so.
If anything, "we" criticise Israels policiys sometimes, but not Jews. I can assure you, that no serious "left wing" (define that?) would be anti semitic.

As you said, the problem is that Israel gives bad PR for jews.

But then certain left-wing media justfies hatred/violence against French Jews, Canadian Jews, Turkish Jews, Argentinian Jews, etc as "protests against Israel's policies." And THAT is how it becomes anti-Semitic.

This "Israel is the root of the problem" also doesn't expain anti-Semitism pre-1948. Israel was only formed because people all over the world were trying to kill Jews, remember?

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 01:12 AM
Haha. WEll first of all, as bad as Israels PR might be for the Jews, I dont see how its any worse then the PR nmerous arab.muslim states create for the arabs! Yet for some reason you dont use that as an excuse! :cantbeli:

dingdingdingdingding!!! We have a winner. Nobody rational would justify kicking the s--- out of a random French Muslim or American Muslim because "we don't like what you people did on 9/11," but I've heard educated, "worldly," liberal Europeans justify mistreatment of European Jews because "we don't like what you people are doing in the Palestinian territories."

n4292936
07-01-2004, 01:17 AM
then I would question just how worldly and educated they really are - those adjectives would seem to be inapplicable to this sort of behavior, yes?

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 01:22 AM
Look, why must we still talk about the seperation of Jews and Christians?

Does it really matter whether your Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox or Jewish? For a country that was supposedly so tollerant, it wasn't. We were all Pole's, no matter what our religion or ethnicity may have been. Alot of Pole's were of the Jewish faith, they regarded themselves as Polish; unfortunetly to an average Pole, he wasn't a fellow countryman he was a Jew.

It seems that alot of Pole's think they're better because they are Roman Catholic. It's stupid ignorance...

THANK YOU. Good posts. This is one of the reasons my family left Europe. In Europe, we were never considered "Poles," or "Russians," we were always "Jews." Here in the USA, I"m an AMERICAN in the mind of everyone who meets me. I'm an AMERICAN that happens to be a Jew, but I'm as American as anyone else in the eyes of the community.

An open note to the Polish folks: Hey listen, bad stuff happened. YOU didn't do it. But don't deny it. America has a HORRIBLE record of treating African-Americans. America's history with slavery is at least as bad as Germany's with the Holocaust. I personally didn't support any violence or hatred against African-Americans, like most of my generation. I didn't do anything wrong. But what purpose does it serve for me to deny what happened in history? Listen, nobody here is saying that YOU PERSONALLY brutalized my ancestors. But listen, it happened, they were ostracized and abused. Don't deny that. You're not doing anybody any benefit by denying it or justifying it.

b.scheller's attitude is spot on. It happened, it was awful, but it is in the past.

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 01:27 AM
then I would question just how worldly and educated they really are - those adjectives would seem to be inapplicable to this sort of behavior, yes?

I'm talking about twenty-somethings who have lived in several multiple countries, hold advanced degrees, and work white-collar jobs. Obviously I found their attitudes to be damned ignorant, but otherwise they were anything but your typical mulleted mouth-breather.

Herrmannek
07-01-2004, 04:40 AM
Poles mistreating Jews by any means werent comparable to holocaust nazi, american slavery or whatever, and saying it was is what we trying to fight off. There were isolated singular cases not originated in Polish history tradition or moral rules we believed than and believe now. In the amount and style those acts were comparable to Jews mistreating Poles thats all...

We don't deny that
-Jews were on overall worse situation than Poles, under german rule of course.
-Many(thousands) but at the same time not much(percents) Poles was cooperating with Nazis..
But you also shouldn't deny that
-Many Jews was cooperating to, denouncig their countryman and Poles who tried help them...It was same threat like szmalcowcy...
-that Jews under Soviet rule weren't "nice" to Poles, and were also making pogroms and this... Koniuchy and few more not yet investigated cases are waiting explanation...
-Jews were cooperating with USSR occupant with was comparable to denouncig Jew to Nazis, people were executed or send to "siberia" were chanches of surviving were comaparable to german concentration camps if not worse because of extremal natural conditions. Gues why most of acts against Jews happened in Russian occupied territories?

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 04:43 AM
Hey Hermannek,

My family lived in poland in the 1800s, not during WWII. What they witnessed and lived through had nothing to do with either Nazis or Soviets.

Herrmannek
07-01-2004, 04:45 AM
Hey Hermannek,

My family lived in poland in the 1800s, not during WWII. What they witnessed and lived through had nothing to do with either Nazis or Soviets.
THere wasn't Poland at 1800... :)

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 04:47 AM
THere wasn't Poland at 1800... :)

Not as an independent political entity, no. But as a cultural and geographic area, yes there was still Poland.

mack pl
07-01-2004, 04:48 AM
Hey Hermannek,

My family lived in poland in the 1800s, not during WWII. What they witnessed and lived through had nothing to do with either Nazis or Soviets.
THere wasn't Poland at 1800... :)
well, maybe they were living here before 1795 ;)

btw DIE THREAD, DIE p-)

Herrmannek
07-01-2004, 05:00 AM
THere wasn't Poland at 1800... :)

Not as an independent political entity, no. But as a cultural and geographic area, yes there was still Poland.

And you sure those Poles who mistreaded your family were Poles, because thean Poland was even less Polish than in WWII... And everyone was misstreated back than.. remember "Poland" was feudal country back then... And being misstreated wasn't sign of antisemitism(Jews weren't noblemans), but sign of not develpoed idea of well understood human rights...

You must remember that in this century nationality we know today was fresh and raising idea...Just tell me what part of Poland they lived, and I'll tell you what nationality they dealt with...

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 05:07 AM
And you sure those Poles who mistreaded your family were Poles, because thean Poland was even less Polish than in WWII...

You're right, the perpetrators must have been Norwegians rowing down the rivers in viking longships.

mack pl
07-01-2004, 05:13 AM
And you sure those Poles who mistreaded your family were Poles, because thean Poland was even less Polish than in WWII...

You're right, the perpetrators must have been Norwegians rowing down the rivers in viking longships.
jedna z teorii historycznych mówi, iż Piastowie, wywodzili sie z rodu wikingów. Patrząc na datę opuszczenia przez wikingów Kijowa, i pojawienie sie silnej dynastii na naszych ziemiach jest to wielce prawdopodobne ;)

so, maybe you are right, it could be vikings ;) :lol:

Herrmannek
07-01-2004, 05:14 AM
And you sure those Poles who mistreaded your family were Poles, because thean Poland was even less Polish than in WWII...

You're right, the perpetrators must have been Norwegians rowing down the rivers in viking longships.

Ukrainins, Lithuanians, Belarusians, Prusaks, Russians... :) none of them were Poles or even knew how to speak Polish...

mack pl
07-01-2004, 05:16 AM
DIE THREAD, DIE :fork:

p-)

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
07-01-2004, 05:17 AM
Look, why must we still talk about the seperation of Jews and Christians?

Does it really matter whether your Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox or Jewish? For a country that was supposedly so tollerant, it wasn't. We were all Pole's, no matter what our religion or ethnicity may have been. Alot of Pole's were of the Jewish faith, they regarded themselves as Polish; unfortunetly to an average Pole, he wasn't a fellow countryman he was a Jew.

It seems that alot of Pole's think they're better because they are Roman Catholic. It's stupid ignorance...

THANK YOU. Good posts. This is one of the reasons my family left Europe. In Europe, we were never considered "Poles," or "Russians," we were always "Jews." Here in the USA, I"m an AMERICAN in the mind of everyone who meets me. I'm an AMERICAN that happens to be a Jew, but I'm as American as anyone else in the eyes of the community.

An open note to the Polish folks: Hey listen, bad stuff happened. YOU didn't do it. But don't deny it. America has a HORRIBLE record of treating African-Americans. America's history with slavery is at least as bad as Germany's with the Holocaust. I personally didn't support any violence or hatred against African-Americans, like most of my generation. I didn't do anything wrong. But what purpose does it serve for me to deny what happened in history? Listen, nobody here is saying that YOU PERSONALLY brutalized my ancestors. But listen, it happened, they were ostracized and abused. Don't deny that. You're not doing anybody any benefit by denying it or justifying it.

b.scheller's attitude is spot on. It happened, it was awful, but it is in the past.

Agree with b.scheller and StarvingStudent47.

Time to finish this is pointless discussion, it can only lead to new flamewars.

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 05:22 AM
jedna z teorii historycznych mówi, iż Piastowie, wywodzili sie z rodu wikingów. Patrząc na datę opuszczenia przez wikingów Kijowa, i pojawienie sie silnej dynastii na naszych ziemiach jest to wielce prawdopodobne ;)

And if I spoke a single dang word of Polish, that might mean something to me...

Herrmannek
07-01-2004, 05:26 AM
jedna z teorii historycznych mówi, iż Piastowie, wywodzili sie z rodu wikingów. Patrząc na datę opuszczenia przez wikingów Kijowa, i pojawienie sie silnej dynastii na naszych ziemiach jest to wielce prawdopodobne ;)

And if I spoke a single dang word of Polish, that might mean something to me...

He said that is not improbable that Piasts were originaly wikings :)

mack pl
07-01-2004, 05:29 AM
jedna z teorii historycznych mówi, iż Piastowie, wywodzili sie z rodu wikingów. Patrząc na datę opuszczenia przez wikingów Kijowa, i pojawienie sie silnej dynastii na naszych ziemiach jest to wielce prawdopodobne ;)

And if I spoke a single dang word of Polish, that might mean something to me...

He said that is not improbable that Piasts were originaly wikings :)

or something like that, but he dont know who the fuk those Piasts were ;)

Herrmannek
07-01-2004, 05:31 AM
jedna z teorii historycznych mówi, iż Piastowie, wywodzili sie z rodu wikingów. Patrząc na datę opuszczenia przez wikingów Kijowa, i pojawienie sie silnej dynastii na naszych ziemiach jest to wielce prawdopodobne ;)

And if I spoke a single dang word of Polish, that might mean something to me...

He said that is not improbable that Piasts were originaly wikings :)

or something like that, but he dont know who the fuk those Piasts were ;)

Piasts were polish royal family ;)

mack pl
07-01-2004, 05:39 AM
jedna z teorii historycznych mówi, iż Piastowie, wywodzili sie z rodu wikingów. Patrząc na datę opuszczenia przez wikingów Kijowa, i pojawienie sie silnej dynastii na naszych ziemiach jest to wielce prawdopodobne ;)

And if I spoke a single dang word of Polish, that might mean something to me...

He said that is not improbable that Piasts were originaly wikings :)

or something like that, but he dont know who the fuk those Piasts were ;)

Piasts were polish royal family ;)
ohh yeah..........with scandinavian blood ;) :lol:

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
07-01-2004, 05:39 AM
jedna z teorii historycznych mówi, iż Piastowie, wywodzili sie z rodu wikingów. Patrząc na datę opuszczenia przez wikingów Kijowa, i pojawienie sie silnej dynastii na naszych ziemiach jest to wielce prawdopodobne ;)

And if I spoke a single dang word of Polish, that might mean something to me...

He said that is not improbable that Piasts were originaly wikings :)

or something like that, but he dont know who the fuk those Piasts were ;)

Piasts were polish royal family ;)

Speaking about the Piasts...

http://www.free.bluenet.pl/~medaka/sake/piwo/kan/piast.jpg
p-)

perdurabo
07-01-2004, 05:57 AM
SS47 could you say what area your family lived?
Because Poland pre 45 wos quite multi-national and you say prabably say Poles as citizens of Poland or ppl living on Polish teritory ....
If we refer as nationality then we have here Poles Ukrainians Germans Austrians Prussians Russians Jews Czechs Slovaks Duchamns Swedes and thousands of others!
If we talk about citizenship we all where russians prusians or austro-hungarians (depending under witch ocupation they where)

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 06:06 AM
SS47 could you say what area your family lived?

No, not off the top of my head. We never looked back when we left, and that was well over 100 years ago. But as certain people in this thread are quick to point out, no matter where my family lived, there's no chance a "real Pole" could have been responsible for ANYTHING bad happening within Poland.

mack pl
07-01-2004, 06:11 AM
SS47 could you say what area your family lived?

No, not off the top of my head. We never looked back when we left, and that was well over 100 years ago. But as certain people in this thread is quick to point out, no matter where my family lived, there's no chance a "real Pole" could have been responsible for ANYTHING bad happening within Poland.
nice generalization. For me its very simple- Poles were(and are) the same kind of people as french, Italian, Swiss etc. so, we have bad and good people here. But we cannot banish all nation, because some people with this nationality did something bad in the past. have a nice day.
Die thread, die.

best regards

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 06:15 AM
SS47 could you say what area your family lived?

No, not off the top of my head. We never looked back when we left, and that was well over 100 years ago. But as certain people in this thread is quick to point out, no matter where my family lived, there's no chance a "real Pole" could have been responsible for ANYTHING bad happening within Poland.
nice generalization. For me its very simple- Poles were(and are) the same kind of people as french, Italian, Swiss etc. so, we have bad and good people here.

Then clearly, you weren't the person I was referring to. If you remember, I myself said that not all Poles were bad, especially the modern generation. I just get pissed off at the whole "ALL Poles are good, NO Pole ever did anything bad, blame Germany and Russia and the Jews themselves for any anti-Jewish violence in Poland" thing. It gets old real fast.

Remember, I wrote:

An open note to the Polish folks: Hey listen, bad stuff happened. YOU didn't do it. But don't deny it. America has a HORRIBLE record of treating African-Americans. America's history with slavery is at least as bad as Germany's with the Holocaust. I personally didn't support any violence or hatred against African-Americans, like most of my generation. I didn't do anything wrong. But what purpose does it serve for me to deny what happened in history? Listen, nobody here is saying that YOU PERSONALLY brutalized my ancestors. But listen, it happened, they were ostracized and abused. Don't deny that. You're not doing anybody any benefit by denying it or justifying it.

mack pl
07-01-2004, 06:21 AM
It gets old real fast.
well, and vice versa. For Poles this texts, all Jews suffer in Poland, Poles do that, and that etc. is very annoying too. So, we have the same feeling about history, sometimes everyone could be pissed off ;)

pax pax

regards :)

Herrmannek
07-01-2004, 06:21 AM
SS47 could you say what area your family lived?

No, not off the top of my head. We never looked back when we left, and that was well over 100 years ago. But as certain people in this thread are quick to point out, no matter where my family lived, there's no chance a "real Pole" could have been responsible for ANYTHING bad happening within Poland.

I just wanted to point out that saying Pole not always mean what it mean...
THere was quite big chance they were ****ed by Poles, but not biger than chance one Pole do same thing to other Pole... I just like taking everything from context, you can count every crime on Jews made by Poles but that number will have nothing to do with scale of antysemitism... THis wasn't peacfull times, there were private wars, personal fights rarely peacfully ended in courts, and wholesale was prefered kind of transaction :)... Just read some books about Polish history, not books about Jews in Poland.. Then you will see they were treated like everybody else not "specialy"...Rouge times nothing more...

perdurabo
07-01-2004, 06:21 AM
SS47 what we want is to fight with generalisations because inUSA and Israel prabably moust of ppl think that Poles are nazis and they ppushed Jews to gas-chambers witch is un-fair
Would you be angered if you would heard only bad things about Jews? that moustly are BS? Yes there is meany Polish murders thiefs etc but are they representation of our nation? or they are only bad apples in the basket? Are Jewish comunist that denouced Poles to NKVD representatives of whole Jewish nation or only few scumbags?

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 06:38 AM
SS47 what we want is to fight with generalisations because inUSA and Israel prabably moust of ppl think that Poles are nazis and they ppushed Jews to gas-chambers witch is un-fair


*blink blink*

As an American Jew, I can assure you that that is NOT what is going on. When you ask ANY American Jew about where in history was worse to the Jews, you will hear: Arab world, Nazi Germany, Tsarist Russia. When most people hear "Polish," they do NOT think massacres. They think of sausage-makers in Chicago.

You think Americans talk about "Poles pushing people into gas chambers" or whatever? Most Americans don't even know that some of the concentration camps were IN Poland!!! Most Americans think that all the death camps were in Germany. And if you look at ANY WWII movie, it's always uniformed Nazi soldiers, not Poles, running and supporting the camps. Schindler's List? Band of Brothers? The Great Escape? You won't hear a WORD of Polish in these films.

Seriously. If you think that American Jews and Israelis wander around hating Poland all day, you're dead wrong. The topic really never even crossed my mind until a couple of the Polish members here kept posting these threads! Notice that not a SINGLE one of these threads was started by an Israeli or an American Jew. If you ask me, yeah, my family had a bad history in Poland. And I'm not going to pretend otherwise. But honestly, that fact hadn't crossed my mind in YEARS until LeMat started several topics about it!

I'm serious. In the USA, most people think of Poles as sausage-makers, not Nazis. It's a stereotype, sure, but not a terrible one in the long run. If you ask an American about the Poles in WWII, most people will tell you some story about horse cavalry fighting the Blitzkrieg. And that's IT. That's what Americans know.

Every country in Europe jacked the Jews during the 1930s and 1940s. So if someone asks me "did Poland jack the Jews during the 1930s and 1940s?" I'd say YES. But the question that WAS NOT asked was "Did Poland jack the Jews disproportionately more than other countries?" I'd answer NO, NOT AT ALL. But nobody asked me that question.

Herrmannek
07-01-2004, 06:45 AM
Every country in Europe jacked the Jews during the 1930s and 1940s. So if someone asks me "did Poland jack the Jews during the 1930s and 1940s?" I'd say YES. But the question that WAS NOT asked was "Did Poland jack the Jews disproportionately more than other countries?" I'd answer NO, NOT AT ALL. But nobody asked me that question.

Poland didn't jacket anybody, thats why we are here.. Some POLES but NOT POLAND

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
07-01-2004, 06:54 AM
Every country in Europe jacked the Jews during the 1930s and 1940s. So if someone asks me "did Poland jack the Jews during the 1930s and 1940s?" I'd say YES. But the question that WAS NOT asked was "Did Poland jack the Jews disproportionately more than other countries?" I'd answer NO, NOT AT ALL. But nobody asked me that question.

Poland didn't jacket anybody, thats why we are here.. Some POLES but NOT POLAND

:cantbeli:

Damn, Herman, you don't have any diplomatic skills :lol:

mack pl
07-01-2004, 06:56 AM
Every country in Europe jacked the Jews during the 1930s and 1940s. So if someone asks me "did Poland jack the Jews during the 1930s and 1940s?" I'd say YES. But the question that WAS NOT asked was "Did Poland jack the Jews disproportionately more than other countries?" I'd answer NO, NOT AT ALL. But nobody asked me that question.

Poland didn't jacket anybody, thats why we are here.. Some POLES but NOT POLAND

:cantbeli:

Damn, Herman, you don't have any diplomatic skills :lol:
yeah, you must learn Herman. Check my posts, Im always very diplomatic :lol:

p-)

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
07-01-2004, 06:58 AM
yeah, you must learn Herman. Check my posts, Im always very diplomatic :lol:

p-)

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

OMG! :lol:

mack pl
07-01-2004, 07:00 AM
yeah, you must learn Herman. Check my posts, Im always very diplomatic :lol:

p-)

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

OMG! :lol:
what? its true ;)

:lol:

Herrmannek
07-01-2004, 07:05 AM
read carefully what I wrote and ss47 my friends... :bash:

mack pl
07-01-2004, 07:14 AM
read carefully what I wrote and ss47 my friends... :bash:
eee tam ;)

die thread, die :-*$

UkrainianAmerican
07-01-2004, 12:54 PM
Wake up thread.

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 03:46 PM
read carefully what I wrote and ss47 my friends...

I have read all your posts. Every single word of every single one.

I might suggest the same. You completely missed five paragraphs of content to argue about four words.

Herrmannek
07-01-2004, 04:13 PM
read carefully what I wrote and ss47 my friends...

I have read all your posts. Every single word of every single one.

I might suggest the same. You completely missed five paragraphs of content to argue about four words.

This was to my polish friends not you.. I see your point but you still used word Poland not Poles.

mack pl
07-01-2004, 04:20 PM
Wake up thread.
nah, die thread, die.

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 04:23 PM
read carefully what I wrote and ss47 my friends...

I have read all your posts. Every single word of every single one.

I might suggest the same. You completely missed five paragraphs of content to argue about four words.

This was to my polish friends not you.. I see your point but you still used word Poland not Poles.

And I say "America" oppressed blacks and ethnic Japanese, not "Americans." I say "France" rounded up their Jews in WWII and put them on trains, not "French." I say "Russia" had many pogroms in 19th century, not "Russians."

I don't see what's wrong with my construction.

Herrmannek
07-01-2004, 04:27 PM
read carefully what I wrote and ss47 my friends...

I have read all your posts. Every single word of every single one.

I might suggest the same. You completely missed five paragraphs of content to argue about four words.

This was to my polish friends not you.. I see your point but you still used word Poland not Poles.

And I say "America" oppressed blacks and ethnic Japanese, not "Americans." I say "France" rounded up their Jews in WWII and put them on trains, not "French." I say "Russia" had many pogroms in 19th century, not "Russians."

I don't see what's wrong with my construction.

Because all cases you mentioned were crimes in Poland, how Poland could be responsible for things criminals do on their teritory? In your way of thinking USA killed people in WTC & Oklahoma?

StarvingStudent47
07-01-2004, 05:50 PM
Because all cases you mentioned were crimes in Poland, how Poland could be responsible for things criminals do on their teritory? In your way of thinking USA killed people in WTC & Oklahoma?

Well how about you ask Timothy McVeigh what the difference is? Oh, that's right, you can't, because AMERICA EXECUTED HIM. Do you really think the people launching pogroms against Jews in Poland were similarly condemned by all of Poland?

Face it. We're at an impasse. You're never gonna admit that your country was ever less than 100% perfect at any point in history. I'm never going to admit that the campaign waged against my family and others like it was merely the isolated actions of a few isolated individuals.

Herrmannek
07-01-2004, 06:16 PM
Because all cases you mentioned were crimes in Poland, how Poland could be responsible for things criminals do on their teritory? In your way of thinking USA killed people in WTC & Oklahoma?

Well how about you ask Timothy McVeigh what the difference is? Oh, that's right, you can't, because AMERICA EXECUTED HIM. Do you really think the people launching pogroms against Jews in Poland were similarly condemned by all of Poland?

Yes they were... at least those from WWII, I don't have knowledge about fate of those who commited crimes before war or esspecialy in 1800...


Face it. We're at an impasse. You're never gonna admit that your country was ever less than 100% perfect at any point in history. I'm never going to admit that the campaign waged against my family and others like it was merely the isolated actions of a few isolated individuals.
There is no perfect things, but when compared to other countries we ussualy stood highiest moral grounds...As a proof: Noone hold you in POland. Why did you stayed for whole 500 years?

UkrainianAmerican
07-01-2004, 11:08 PM
Because all cases you mentioned were crimes in Poland, how Poland could be responsible for things criminals do on their teritory? In your way of thinking USA killed people in WTC & Oklahoma?

Well how about you ask Timothy McVeigh what the difference is? Oh, that's right, you can't, because AMERICA EXECUTED HIM. Do you really think the people launching pogroms against Jews in Poland were similarly condemned by all of Poland?

Yes they were... at least those from WWII, I don't have knowledge about fate of those who commited crimes before war or esspecialy in 1800...


Face it. We're at an impasse. You're never gonna admit that your country was ever less than 100% perfect at any point in history. I'm never going to admit that the campaign waged against my family and others like it was merely the isolated actions of a few isolated individuals.
There is no perfect things, but when compared to other countries we ussualy stood highiest moral grounds...As a proof: Noone hold you in POland. Why did you stayed for whole 500 years?
What a retard.

mack pl
07-02-2004, 02:22 AM
What a retard.
calm down, RA. If you havent got anything nice to say, dont say anything ;)

btw its civil discussion untill now, so, calm down ;)

regards

PS. SS47, my family suffer during WWII too, but I dont blame Poland, Ukraine or Russia, I blame only fukers who killed my grandfather...exactly mine 2 grandfathers...and those fukers who send my family to Siberia...but, I couldn't blame whole nations, and present states(Ukraine,or Russia) :cantbeli:

this discussion is pointless for me

have a nice day everyone

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 02:47 AM
As a proof: Noone hold you in POland. Why did you stayed for whole 500 years?
What a retard.
Why retard..Its simple and best marker of how bad was life for Jews in Poland...If they were beaten, tortured, humiliated through all that times why they didn't live like they did with in case Portugal, France, Germany? Why they were still coming from other parts of Europe? This is not way persecuted people behave...

StarvingStudent47
07-02-2004, 02:51 AM
Why retard..Its simple and best marker of how bad was life for Jews in Poland...If they were beaten, tortured, humiliated through all that times why they didn't live like they did with in case Portugal, France, Germany? Why they were still coming from other parts of Europe? This is not way persecuted people behave...

I guess that means Jim Crow segregation and the Ku Klux Klan "wasn't so bad" in the American South during the first half of the 20th century, huh? Because Blacks stayed there even though they were being continually brutalized, murdered, and denied any sort of civil rights.

That's the dumbest line of argument ever.

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 03:10 AM
Why retard..Its simple and best marker of how bad was life for Jews in Poland...If they were beaten, tortured, humiliated through all that times why they didn't live like they did with in case Portugal, France, Germany? Why they were still coming from other parts of Europe? This is not way persecuted people behave...

I guess that means Jim Crow segregation and the Ku Klux Klan "wasn't so bad" in the American South during the first half of the 20th century, huh? Because Blacks stayed there even though they were being continually brutalized, murdered, and denied any sort of civil rights.

That's the dumbest line of argument ever.

:cantbeli: I hope you were saying about your line.
Black were slavers Jews weren't. Black haven't any place to live Jews had. Black were poor uneducated people Jews weren't... THere wasn't any Kind of Ku Klux Klan in Poland, Polish borders were opened they had freedom of movment. Other question left tolly unanswered in your KKK theory. Why for Gods sake they were willingly coming from other parts of Europe? Lets read about rights Jews had and then start ****ing about denial of any sort of civil rights...

W(M)D
07-02-2004, 04:01 AM
Lets see if we can get this thread to 20 pages!! :lol:

mack pl
07-02-2004, 04:14 AM
Lets see if we can get this thread to 20 pages!! :lol:
If you will help us a little ;)

W(M)D
07-02-2004, 04:39 AM
Mackpl - I will try a little, but I also have to do some work today. :( What we need here are some really long rants/tirades to help us out. :lol:

UoUo
07-02-2004, 04:44 AM
You want this topic to become 20 pages long? even 100...take a look and learn.




Just wanted to say that the merkava4 is the best tank in the world and he Can kick M1a2 without a problem..and LoL leopred? such a lame tank...


The F-22 is lame against our F-16I...and when the USAF came to israel to train
with us we kicked thier ass 2000000/0 thier and the Polish? oh...thier all bunch of antisemtic....and i want to get my home back!!! you stoled it for me....and who know..maybe mack pl livind in my own house :bash: :bash:

W(M)D
07-02-2004, 04:50 AM
Hey we need at least half a page a time! :lol:

:lol: Perhaps some big photos (of anything) may help

mack pl
07-02-2004, 04:56 AM
You want this topic to become 20 pages long? even 100...take a look and learn.

Just wanted to say that the merkava4 is the best tank in the world and he Can kick M1a2 without a problem..and LoL leopred? such a lame tank...

The F-22 is lame against our F-16I...and when the USAF came to israel to train
with us we kicked thier ass 2000000/0 thier and the Polish? oh...thier all bunch of antisemtic....and i want to get my home back!!! you stoled it for me....and who know..maybe mack pl livind in my own house :bash: :bash:
1) Im pro-Arab(Pal's) so I cannot be anti-semitic ;) :lol:



2) our Leopards could kick your Markaffa ;)




3) I dont want my home back(in Ukraine) ;)




4) my home was build in 1947 by mine grandfather ;) :lol:




:lol:




salem alejkum

UoUo
07-02-2004, 05:01 AM
You want this topic to become 20 pages long? even 100...take a look and learn.

Just wanted to say that the merkava4 is the best tank in the world and he Can kick M1a2 without a problem..and LoL leopred? such a lame tank...

The F-22 is lame against our F-16I...and when the USAF came to israel to train
with us we kicked thier ass 2000000/0 thier and the Polish? oh...thier all bunch of antisemtic....and i want to get my home back!!! you stoled it for me....and who know..maybe mack pl livind in my own house :bash: :bash:
1) Im pro-Arab(Pal's) so I cannot be anti-semitic ;) :lol:
2) our Leopards could kick your Markaffa ;)
3) I dont want my home back(in Ukraine) ;)
4) my home was build in 1947 by mine grandfather ;) :lol:

:lol:

salem alejkum

1) SO you are antizinoist!! :bash:
2)Your leopards even can't match our old Magah that out of service :bash:

3) :bash: Why whopuld anyine want to live in Ukraine
4) Where did you think he get the woods and every thing? ha???

I can bet jews work for him with slave condition...and he make them help him :bash:

5)salem alejkum ? you are a muslim.......i knew itttt.... :-*$

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Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 05:03 AM
I'll ask argyll to lock that topic ;), you stole so nice disscussion...SHAME SHAME :bash: :-*$ :fork: :slap: p-) :hug:

UoUo
07-02-2004, 05:05 AM
I'll ask argyll to lock that topic ;), you stole so nice disscussion...SHAME SHAME :bash: :-*$ :fork: :slap: p-) :hug:

Do not use my futher first name in your evatar and put a pic of a monkey below!!! :bash: :bash: :D :hug:

mack pl
07-02-2004, 05:11 AM
You want this topic to become 20 pages long? even 100...take a look and learn.

Just wanted to say that the merkava4 is the best tank in the world and he Can kick M1a2 without a problem..and LoL leopred? such a lame tank...

The F-22 is lame against our F-16I...and when the USAF came to israel to train
with us we kicked thier ass 2000000/0 thier and the Polish? oh...thier all bunch of antisemtic....and i want to get my home back!!! you stoled it for me....and who know..maybe mack pl livind in my own house :bash: :bash:
1) Im pro-Arab(Pal's) so I cannot be anti-semitic ;) :lol:
2) our Leopards could kick your Markaffa ;)
3) I dont want my home back(in Ukraine) ;)
4) my home was build in 1947 by mine grandfather ;) :lol:

:lol:

salem alejkum

1) SO you are antizinoist!! :bash:
2)Your leopards even can't match our old Magah that out of service :bash:

3) :bash: Why whopuld anyine want to live in Ukraine
4) Where did you think he get the woods and every thing? ha???

I can bet jews work for him with slave condition...and he make them help him :bash:

5)salem alejkum ? you are a muslim.......i knew itttt.... :-*$

[/img]
1) yes, I am :)
2) hah, I dont know what **** this Magahfakkah is, but I bet our Leos could kick even Markaffa3(you havent yet Markaffa4?)
3) I dont want, that why i diont want my home back in this country ;)
4) I dont think so, we havent got any Jews in my village, now and in the past ;)
5) nah, Im infidel ;)

salem alehem

:lol:

UoUo
07-02-2004, 05:19 AM
You want this topic to become 20 pages long? even 100...take a look and learn.

Just wanted to say that the merkava4 is the best tank in the world and he Can kick M1a2 without a problem..and LoL leopred? such a lame tank...

The F-22 is lame against our F-16I...and when the USAF came to israel to train
with us we kicked thier ass 2000000/0 thier and the Polish? oh...thier all bunch of antisemtic....and i want to get my home back!!! you stoled it for me....and who know..maybe mack pl livind in my own house :bash: :bash:
1) Im pro-Arab(Pal's) so I cannot be anti-semitic ;) :lol:
2) our Leopards could kick your Markaffa ;)
3) I dont want my home back(in Ukraine) ;)
4) my home was build in 1947 by mine grandfather ;) :lol:

:lol:

salem alejkum

1) SO you are antizinoist!! :bash:
2)Your leopards even can't match our old Magah that out of service :bash:

3) :bash: Why whopuld anyine want to live in Ukraine
4) Where did you think he get the woods and every thing? ha???

I can bet jews work for him with slave condition...and he make them help him :bash:

5)salem alejkum ? you are a muslim.......i knew itttt.... :-*$

[/img]
1) yes, I am :)
2) I dont want, that why i diont want my home back in this country ;)
3) I dont think so, we havent got any Jews in my village, now and in the past ;)
4) nah, Im infidel ;)

salem alehem

:lol:

:lol:
BTW: it's not salem alehem..it's salom alehem..in hevrew...or salam alicom in arabic...or you can mix salam alehem. :D

UoUo
07-02-2004, 05:21 AM
You want this topic to become 20 pages long? even 100...take a look and learn.

Just wanted to say that the merkava4 is the best tank in the world and he Can kick M1a2 without a problem..and LoL leopred? such a lame tank...

The F-22 is lame against our F-16I...and when the USAF came to israel to train
with us we kicked thier ass 2000000/0 thier and the Polish? oh...thier all bunch of antisemtic....and i want to get my home back!!! you stoled it for me....and who know..maybe mack pl livind in my own house :bash: :bash:
1) Im pro-Arab(Pal's) so I cannot be anti-semitic ;) :lol:
2) our Leopards could kick your Markaffa ;)
3) I dont want my home back(in Ukraine) ;)
4) my home was build in 1947 by mine grandfather ;) :lol:

:lol:

salem alejkum

1) SO you are antizinoist!! :bash:
2)Your leopards even can't match our old Magah that out of service :bash:

3) :bash: Why whopuld anyine want to live in Ukraine
4) Where did you think he get the woods and every thing? ha???

I can bet jews work for him with slave condition...and he make them help him :bash:

5)salem alejkum ? you are a muslim.......i knew itttt.... :-*$

[/img]
1) yes, I am :)
2) I dont want, that why i diont want my home back in this country ;)
3) I dont think so, we havent got any Jews in my village, now and in the past ;)
4) nah, Im infidel ;)

salem alehem

:lol:

:lol:
BTW: it's not salem alehem..it's salom alehem..in hevrew...or salam alicom in arabic...or you can mix salam alehem. :D

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
07-02-2004, 05:29 AM
Yeah, flamewar at last
I've been waiting for it since the 4th page :D



5) nah, Im infidel ;)


You're in Fidel? Which part, exactly? :lol: :lol: :lol:

mack pl
07-02-2004, 05:29 AM
I writed it in polish ;)

mack pl
07-02-2004, 05:34 AM
Yeah, flamewar at last
I've been waiting for it since the 4th page :D

Are you blind, its not flame war ;) :lol:






5) nah, Im infidel ;)


You're in Fidel? Which part, exactly? :lol: :lol: :lol:
what you mean? ;)

UoUo
07-02-2004, 05:46 AM
Yeah..let's talk about thng that i don't know know..just cuz i am jew.

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 05:49 AM
Yeah..let's talk about thng that i don't know know..just cuz i am jew.

You are Jew so you prolly don't know how tasty PIG is :)

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
07-02-2004, 05:50 AM
http://ftp.se.kde.org/pub/tv+movies/pictures/Alien/flamethrower.gif

-Are you blind, its not flame war!

:lol:







5) nah, Im infidel ;)


You're in Fidel? Which part, exactly? :lol: :lol: :lol:
what you mean? ;)

Ekhm... p-)

UoUo
07-02-2004, 05:55 AM
Yeah..let's talk about thng that i don't know know..just cuz i am jew.

You are Jew so you prolly don't know how tasty PIG is :)

:oops:

Hm....you don't know the taste of our "knidalah".

And...hmm..arg pig is really so tasty?

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
07-02-2004, 05:59 AM
And...hmm..arg pig is really so tasty?

Better don't ask :lol:

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 06:00 AM
Yeah..let's talk about thng that i don't know know..just cuz i am jew.

You are Jew so you prolly don't know how tasty PIG is :)

:oops:

Hm....you don't know the taste of our "knidalah".

And...hmm..arg pig is really so tasty?

Yup, maybe its not so healthy, but taste very good
... About Knedle we have more kind of knedle than you can imagine, our are fairly different from Jewsih ones, as we stuff them with virtualy everything you can imagine, and boil in water not in bullion, but we eat them with sauce so nothing lost....

mack pl
07-02-2004, 06:01 AM
And...hmm..arg pig is really so tasty?

Better don't ask :lol:
I bet its better than this "Knidalah w sandałah" ;) rofl

UoUo
07-02-2004, 06:07 AM
:petting:

Who cares..i am gonna have M4 next year...and you don't.

W(M)D
07-02-2004, 06:09 AM
Keep the banter up lads, page 11 now!!

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 06:10 AM
:petting:

Who cares..i am gonna have M4 next year...and you don't.
Who cares..I am gonna have 150kg next year..and you don't

mack pl
07-02-2004, 06:10 AM
Who cares.
I agree with you-who cares ;)

UoUo
07-02-2004, 06:10 AM
:petting:

Who cares..i am gonna have M4 next year...and you don't.
Who cares..I am gonna have 150kg next year..and you don't

What?

UoUo
07-02-2004, 06:11 AM
Jewish people rule...they **** look nice.

mack pl
07-02-2004, 06:13 AM
Jewish people rule...they **** look nice.
:cantbeli:

UoUo is homo****** p-)

:lol:

mack pl
07-02-2004, 06:13 AM
:petting:

Who cares..i am gonna have M4 next year...and you don't.
Who cares..I am gonna have 150kg next year..and you don't

What?
he will be fat p-)

UoUo
07-02-2004, 06:14 AM
Jewish people rule...they **** look nice.
:cantbeli:

UoUo is homo****** p-)

:lol:

LoL

I didn't mean to sound like that... :oops: :oops:

:bash:

Oh..so now you are not only antijew...you are anti Homos as well?

****ing nazis....

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 06:15 AM
Jewish people rule...they **** look nice.

One **** for so many Jews :cantbeli: Everyone here has own one

mack pl
07-02-2004, 06:17 AM
Jewish people rule...they **** look nice.
:cantbeli:

UoUo is homo****** p-)

:lol:

LoL

I didn't mean to sound like that... :oops: :oops:

:bash:

Oh..so now you are not only antijew...you are anti Homos as well?

f*** nazis....
yup, thats me- obergruppenfuhrer Mack Pl p-)

:lol:

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
07-02-2004, 06:18 AM
Oh..so now you are not only antijew...you are anti Homos as well?

f*** nazis....

We're anti-everything :lol:

UoUo
07-02-2004, 06:18 AM
Jewish people rule...they **** look nice.

One **** for so many Jews :cantbeli: Everyone here has own one

rofl rofl rofl rofl

I give up.... ****s!! ****s!!!

Hm...no...jews never give up....

Hmm...i heard that Germany defeated Poland in 3 weeks...that right?

mack pl
07-02-2004, 06:20 AM
Jewish people rule...they **** look nice.

One **** for so many Jews :cantbeli: Everyone here has own one

rofl rofl rofl rofl

I give up.... ****s!! ****s!!!

Hm...no...jews never give up....

Hmm...i heard that Germany defeated Poland in 3 weeks...that right?

no, our last battle against Germans was in Kock in october5 1939 ;)
btw we never surrender, so, we never loosed ;)

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 06:20 AM
Jewish people rule...they **** look nice.

One **** for so many Jews :cantbeli: Everyone here has own one

rofl rofl rofl rofl

I give up.... ****s!! ****s!!!

Hm...no...jews never give up....

Hmm...i heard that Germany defeated Poland in 3 weeks...that right?

I heard Jews had same poblem so they sold Israel and moved to Europe to bitch on everything and everyone... :)

/McH\
07-02-2004, 06:22 AM
:petting:

Who cares..i am gonna have M4 next year...and you don't.
Who cares..I am gonna have 150kg next year..and you don't

Who Cares.. We have Oranges with TASTE.. and you don't

Who Cares.. We have Sun ALL the summer.. and you don't

And Who Cares... We Have HUMUS.. and you don't

:lol:

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
07-02-2004, 06:23 AM
I heard Jews had same poblem so they sold Israel and moved to Europe to bitch on everything and everyone... :)

... and create Global Conspiracies p-)

UoUo
07-02-2004, 06:23 AM
Jewish people rule...they **** look nice.

One **** for so many Jews :cantbeli: Everyone here has own one

rofl rofl rofl rofl

I give up.... ****s!! ****s!!!

Hm...no...jews never give up....

Hmm...i heard that Germany defeated Poland in 3 weeks...that right?

Never heard about that...

But i heard that Israel GDP - per capita is 20,000$ and Poland is 11,000$ That true?


(we are still joking right? :D )
I heard Jews had same poblem so they sold Israel and moved to Europe to bitch on everything and everyone... :)

UoUo
07-02-2004, 06:24 AM
:petting:

Who cares..i am gonna have M4 next year...and you don't.
Who cares..I am gonna have 150kg next year..and you don't

Who Cares.. We have Oranges with TASTE.. and you don't

Who Cares.. We have Sun ALL the summer.. and you don't

And Who Cares... We Have HUMUS.. and you don't

:lol:

rofl rofl

I must admmit...the oranges in Poland are sucks!!!!!

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 06:28 AM
:petting:

Who cares..i am gonna have M4 next year...and you don't.
Who cares..I am gonna have 150kg next year..and you don't

Who Cares.. We have Oranges with TASTE.. and you don't

Who Cares.. We have Sun ALL the summer.. and you don't

And Who Cares... We Have HUMUS.. and you don't

:lol:

rofl rofl

I must admmit...the oranges in Poland are sucks!!!!!

Who Cares.. .No one in Poand eats oranges...
Who Cares... We have Kiszona kapust and Pirogi..
Who Cares... We are self suficient and Israel NOT

mack pl
07-02-2004, 06:28 AM
:petting:

Who cares..i am gonna have M4 next year...and you don't.
Who cares..I am gonna have 150kg next year..and you don't

Who Cares.. We have Oranges with TASTE.. and you don't

Who Cares.. We have Sun ALL the summer.. and you don't

And Who Cares... We Have HUMUS.. and you don't

:lol:

rofl rofl

I must admmit...the oranges in Poland are sucks!!!!!

we have snow ;)

we have strawberrys ;)

we have blond girls ;)

we have better vodka ;)

we could drink more vodka than you ;)

we have forests ;)

:lol:

UoUo
07-02-2004, 06:32 AM
:petting:

Who cares..i am gonna have M4 next year...and you don't.
Who cares..I am gonna have 150kg next year..and you don't

Who Cares.. We have Oranges with TASTE.. and you don't

Who Cares.. We have Sun ALL the summer.. and you don't

And Who Cares... We Have HUMUS.. and you don't

:lol:

rofl rofl

I must admmit...the oranges in Poland are sucks!!!!!

we have snow ;)

we have strawberrys ;)

we have blond girls ;)

we have better vodka ;)

we could drink more vodka than you ;)

we have forests ;)

:lol:

We have it also in the north ha ha ! :-*$

We also have strawberrys :)

We akso have that....but the good thing we also have brown and black girls...(btw..i am blond my self...) :lol:

Vodka....hmmm......smirnofffff

We have forests too...the size of you garden next to your house..but still we have them :lol:

/McH\
07-02-2004, 06:33 AM
:petting:

Who cares..i am gonna have M4 next year...and you don't.
Who cares..I am gonna have 150kg next year..and you don't

Who Cares.. We have Oranges with TASTE.. and you don't

Who Cares.. We have Sun ALL the summer.. and you don't

And Who Cares... We Have HUMUS.. and you don't

:lol:

rofl rofl

I must admmit...the oranges in Poland are sucks!!!!!

Who Cares.. .No one in Poand eats oranges... Of course.. because they have no taste ;)

Who Cares... We have Kiszona kapust and Pirogi.. We have pirogi, and what is Kapust?!!

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
07-02-2004, 06:33 AM
And we have Andrzej Lepper and you don't...

sh*t
It isn't something to boast... :D

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 06:35 AM
:petting:

Who cares..i am gonna have M4 next year...and you don't.
Who cares..I am gonna have 150kg next year..and you don't

Who Cares.. We have Oranges with TASTE.. and you don't

Who Cares.. We have Sun ALL the summer.. and you don't

And Who Cares... We Have HUMUS.. and you don't

:lol:

rofl rofl

I must admmit...the oranges in Poland are sucks!!!!!

Who Cares.. .No one in Poand eats oranges... Of course.. because they have no taste ;)

Who Cares... We have Kiszona kapust and Pirogi.. We have pirogi, and what is Kapust?!!


THose peierogi you have are stolen intelectual goods :), as for kapusta iys cabbage...we dig cabbage... I heard you to but...look at bolded sentence...

UoUo
07-02-2004, 06:36 AM
We have more tanks..more sol' and more aircrafts then you.

/McH\
07-02-2004, 06:37 AM
:petting:

Who cares..i am gonna have M4 next year...and you don't.
Who cares..I am gonna have 150kg next year..and you don't

Who Cares.. We have Oranges with TASTE.. and you don't

Who Cares.. We have Sun ALL the summer.. and you don't

And Who Cares... We Have HUMUS.. and you don't

:lol:

rofl rofl

I must admmit...the oranges in Poland are sucks!!!!!

we have snow ;) We have in the North..

we have strawberrys ;) Hmm i think i saw once in the North..
we have blond girls ;) We have too, but theire hair goes brown because of the sun hehe.. i personally rather Black Hair ;)

we have better vodka ;) Dont sure about that, we have all the kinds of Vodkas in here

we could drink more vodka than you ;) Try to compete with my father..

we have forests ;) True..

:lol:

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 06:37 AM
We have more tanks..more sol' and more aircrafts then you.
We have more tanks, at least had not so long ago..whe have Israeli spikes with will pierce all kind of crapy merkavas :)

mack pl
07-02-2004, 06:40 AM
We have more tanks..more sol' and more aircrafts then you.

I give up- we have LESS enemys in the world ;)

in this kind of competition Israel could kick every nation p-)


rofl

UoUo
07-02-2004, 06:41 AM
We have more tanks..more sol' and more aircrafts then you.
We have more tanks, at least had not so long ago..whe have Israeli spikes with will pierce all kind of crapy merkavas :)

No you don't :D

And we have more spikes. :D

Your averge people know english in the Level that i know. :lol:

You know what? when the zionist takeover will come to power...i think you will be right after france. :bash:

/McH\
07-02-2004, 06:42 AM
We have more tanks..more sol' and more aircrafts then you.

I give up- we have LESS enemys in the world ;) True...

in this kind of competition Israel could kick every nation p-) Nope, We dont have alot of Water, and forests :|


rofl

UoUo
07-02-2004, 06:42 AM
We have more tanks..more sol' and more aircrafts then you.

I give up- we have LESS enemys in the world ;)

in this kind of competition Israel could kick every nation p-)


rofl

rofl

That true......hmm...even the USA can't beat us in that.

radon
07-02-2004, 06:42 AM
Israel has the best looking girls in the middle east

mack pl
07-02-2004, 06:43 AM
We have more tanks..more sol' and more aircrafts then you.
We have more tanks, at least had not so long ago..whe have Israeli spikes with will pierce all kind of crapy merkavas :)

No you don't :D

And we have more spikes. :D

Your averge people know english in the Level that i know. :lol:

You know what? when the zionist takeover will come to power...i think you will be right after france. :bash:

:petting:

sure ;)

/McH\
07-02-2004, 06:44 AM
Our Egges our more easy to Peel

And your bread is harder than steel :)

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
07-02-2004, 06:44 AM
Israel has the best looking girls in the middle east

Poland has the best looking girls in the middle Europe :lol:

UoUo
07-02-2004, 06:46 AM
BTW:

in the Eurovision when the time of giving the point come...

Then we see who is the most antisemtic country in Europe...Seriouly..that How we know who hates us more.

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 06:47 AM
Israel has the best looking girls in the middle east

Poland has the best looking girls in the middle Europe :lol:
Don't be exaggeratedly unpretentious..Our girls are best looking in whole world...

mack pl
07-02-2004, 06:47 AM
Our Egges our more easy to Pile
I cannot argue with that. Ive never touch any israeli egg ;)




And your bread is harder than steel :)
hmmm, bread wich i was eating on my brakfast wasn't so hard ;)

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 06:48 AM
And your bread is harder than steel :)

And this tell guy from country who invented maca :cantbeli:

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
07-02-2004, 06:48 AM
BTW:

in the Eurovision when the time of giving the point come...

Then we see who is the most antisemtic country in Europe...Seriouly..that How we know who hates us more.

Even if you have a crappy song? :lol:

UoUo
07-02-2004, 06:50 AM
BTW:

in the Eurovision when the time of giving the point come...

Then we see who is the most antisemtic country in Europe...Seriouly..that How we know who hates us more.

Even if you have a crappy song? :lol:

No..we don't win cuz you are all bunch of antisemtic...lol...

(even if the song is bad like hell).

mack pl
07-02-2004, 06:50 AM
BTW:

in the Eurovision when the time of giving the point come...

Then we see who is the most antisemtic country in Europe...Seriouly..that How we know who hates us more.

Even if you have a crappy song? :lol:
even If you will send again Dana international :cantbeli:

rofl

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 06:52 AM
If we are antisemites why we allowed you to start that fu.ckin EURO-vision

UoUo
07-02-2004, 06:53 AM
BTW:

in the Eurovision when the time of giving the point come...

Then we see who is the most antisemtic country in Europe...Seriouly..that How we know who hates us more.

Even if you have a crappy song? :lol:
even If you will send again Dana international :cantbeli:

rofl

BTW: when i was in warsaw mall...i heard her songs play in the backgroud.

So...you know..it all part of zionist plan to make you gays. Subliminal massege.

UoUo
07-02-2004, 06:54 AM
If we are antisemites why we allowed you to start that fu.ckin EURO-vision

Cuz you know we gonna take the world in few years for know...you just play politacl rule.

mack pl
07-02-2004, 06:55 AM
BTW:

in the Eurovision when the time of giving the point come...

Then we see who is the most antisemtic country in Europe...Seriouly..that How we know who hates us more.

Even if you have a crappy song? :lol:
even If you will send again Dana international :cantbeli:

rofl

BTW: when i was in warsaw mall...i heard her songs play in the backgroud.

So...you know..it all part of zionist plan to make you gays. Subliminal massege.
huh, so Im very happy man, coz im living in polish catholic centre...its polish Mekka ;) :lol:

zionist never will come here ;) :lol:

/McH\
07-02-2004, 06:55 AM
Ignore this post..

UoUo
07-02-2004, 06:56 AM
We have our ways..don't woory.

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 06:57 AM
We have our ways..don't woory.

After Dana I. case only way I can imagine is hkmmm.... "backdoor" :)

mack pl
07-02-2004, 06:58 AM
We have our ways.
haha, zionist conspiarators ;)



.don't woory.
dont worry, be happy, lalala ;)

UoUo
07-02-2004, 07:01 AM
We have our ways..don't woory.

After Dana I. case only way I can imagine is hkmmm.... "backdoor" :)

You know...dana has a front door also....(**** - no..she don't has ****:))

And you know...Catholic-National Movement control by us...

/McH\
07-02-2004, 07:02 AM
You Have crappy language...



( we have too.. but i had to say somthing )

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 07:02 AM
We have our ways..don't woory.

After Dana I. case only way I can imagine is hkmmm.... "backdoor" :)

You know...dana has a front door also....(**** - no..she don't has ****:))

And you know...Catholic-National Movement control by us...
Catholic-National Movement is somethig you can control...Only thing you can do about it is not falling from that bull...

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 07:03 AM
You Have crappy language...



( we have to.. but i had to say somthing )
our at least goes in right way....

mack pl
07-02-2004, 07:04 AM
You know...dana has a front door also....(**** - no..she don't has ****:))
huh, you cheked that you little pervert ;)



And you know...Catholic-National Movement control by us...
I know that. That why Im socialist ;)

:lol:

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
07-02-2004, 07:04 AM
And you know...Catholic-National Movement control by us...

Damn.... I always knew that theres something wrong with Father Rydzyk ;)

/McH\
07-02-2004, 07:04 AM
You Have crappy language...



( we have to.. but i had to say somthing )
our at least goes in right way....

Our language too.. Goes from the right way ;)

UoUo
07-02-2004, 07:05 AM
The USA give us 3 Billion each year..and something like 11 billion in loans.

Beat that!!! :-*$ :fork:

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 07:06 AM
You Have crappy language...



( we have to.. but i had to say somthing )
our at least goes in right way....

Our language too.. Goes from the right way ;)

Important is where its going not from where it comes :)

mack pl
07-02-2004, 07:06 AM
The USA give us 3 Billion each year..and something like 11 billion in loans.

Beat that!!! :-*$ :fork:
rofl so, If you need this support, you must have crappy economy ;) rofl

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 07:07 AM
The USA give us 3 Billion each year..and something like 11 billion in loans.

Beat that!!! :-*$ :fork:

We ar self sufficient.. we can close borders build 100 metere high wall don't pass anybody trough it and survive..do you can do that trick too?

UoUo
07-02-2004, 07:08 AM
The USA give us 3 Billion each year..and something like 11 billion in loans.

Beat that!!! :-*$ :fork:
rofl so, If you need this support, you must have crappy economy ;) rofl

Oh thanks for reaminds me...

We have better economy then yours. :D rofl

/McH\
07-02-2004, 07:09 AM
The USA give us 3 Billion each year..and something like 11 billion in loans.

Beat that!!! :-*$ :fork:
rofl so, If you need this support, you must have crappy economy ;) rofl

Yes.. right now our economy is crappy.. but still better than yours ;)

mack pl
07-02-2004, 07:09 AM
The USA give us 3 Billion each year..and something like 11 billion in loans.

Beat that!!! :-*$ :fork:
rofl so, If you need this support, you must have crappy economy ;) rofl

Oh thanks for reaminds me...

We have better economy then yours. :D rofl

hahaa, so why you need this 3 bilions $ every year ;) :lol:

W(M)D
07-02-2004, 07:10 AM
I have only been off the internet 45 mins and you have managed to fill another 4 or so pages since then - outstanding!! :lol:

mack pl
07-02-2004, 07:10 AM
The USA give us 3 Billion each year..and something like 11 billion in loans.

Beat that!!! :-*$ :fork:
rofl so, If you need this support, you must have crappy economy ;) rofl

Yes.. right now our economy is crappy.. but still better than yours ;)

no ****, really ;) :lol:

mack pl
07-02-2004, 07:11 AM
I have only been off the internet 45 mins and you have managed to fill another 4 or so pages since then - outstanding!! :lol:
read, and learn how to spam p-)

UoUo
07-02-2004, 07:12 AM
The USA give us 3 Billion each year..and something like 11 billion in loans.

Beat that!!! :-*$ :fork:

We ar self sufficient.. we can close borders build 100 metere high wall don't pass anybody trough it and survive..do you can do that trick too?

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=israeli+wall/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://www.vopj.org/images/issues26c.jpg

And arabs build this for us.

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
07-02-2004, 07:14 AM
We're very tallented ;)

But when mods see this spam in 'General Discussion", they will ban us all :)

UoUo
07-02-2004, 07:14 AM
The USA give us 3 Billion each year..and something like 11 billion in loans.

Beat that!!! :-*$ :fork:
rofl so, If you need this support, you must have crappy economy ;) rofl

Oh thanks for reaminds me...

We have better economy then yours. :D rofl

hahaa, so why you need this 3 bilions $ every year ;) :lol:

To buy big guns.....preapreing for the zionist takeover..and who cares..they give we take...why not to? rofl

Still...we have better economy then yours. :)

And we sell weopns to the USA...beat that.!@

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 07:15 AM
The USA give us 3 Billion each year..and something like 11 billion in loans.

Beat that!!! :-*$ :fork:

We ar self sufficient.. we can close borders build 100 metere high wall don't pass anybody trough it and survive..do you can do that trick too?

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=israeli+wall/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://www.vopj.org/images/issues26c.jpg

And arabs build this for us.

THis wall is made to fucckup Israeli PR efven more, not to barrier from palestine workers, and western made products....

mack pl
07-02-2004, 07:15 AM
The USA give us 3 Billion each year..and something like 11 billion in loans.

Beat that!!! :-*$ :fork:

We ar self sufficient.. we can close borders build 100 metere high wall don't pass anybody trough it and survive..do you can do that trick too?

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=israeli+wall/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://www.vopj.org/images/issues26c.jpg

And arabs build this for us.
huh, and you says something about my grandfather jewish slaves :cantbeli: :cantbeli:

poor Palestinians p-)

:lol:

UoUo
07-02-2004, 07:15 AM
We're very tallented ;)

But when mods see this spam in 'General Discussion", they will ban us all :)

Hm....don't woory... And if they ban me i will just start to call them anti cemtic and stuff..they will have to bring me back.

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 07:16 AM
The USA give us 3 Billion each year..and something like 11 billion in loans.

Beat that!!! :-*$ :fork:
rofl so, If you need this support, you must have crappy economy ;) rofl

Oh thanks for reaminds me...

We have better economy then yours. :D rofl

hahaa, so why you need this 3 bilions $ every year ;) :lol:

To buy big guns.....preapreing for the zionist takeover..and who cares..they give we take...why not to? rofl

Still...we have better economy then yours. :)

And we sell weopns to the USA...beat that.!@
We too rofl

Brzeczyszczykiewicz
07-02-2004, 07:16 AM
http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=israeli+wall/v=2/l=IVI/*-http://www.vopj.org/images/issues26c.jpg

Nothing to be proud of. EVEN CHINESE HAVE BIGGER! :lol:

/McH\
07-02-2004, 07:16 AM
But we pay them for it :)

mack pl
07-02-2004, 07:17 AM
The USA give us 3 Billion each year..and something like 11 billion in loans.

Beat that!!! :-*$ :fork:
rofl so, If you need this support, you must have crappy economy ;) rofl

Oh thanks for reaminds me...

We have better economy then yours. :D rofl

hahaa, so why you need this 3 bilions $ every year ;) :lol:

To buy big guns.....preapreing for the zionist takeover..and who cares..they give we take...why not to? rofl

Still...we have better economy then yours. :)

And we sell weopns to the USA...beat that.!@

hahaha, USA giving you this cash, because without this support your little country will be damaged by my brothers in faith(Arabs)

salem alejkum :lol:

UoUo
07-02-2004, 07:20 AM
The USA give us 3 Billion each year..and something like 11 billion in loans.

Beat that!!! :-*$ :fork:
rofl so, If you need this support, you must have crappy economy ;) rofl

Oh thanks for reaminds me...

We have better economy then yours. :D rofl

hahaa, so why you need this 3 bilions $ every year ;) :lol:

To buy big guns.....preapreing for the zionist takeover..and who cares..they give we take...why not to? rofl

Still...we have better economy then yours. :)

And we sell weopns to the USA...beat that.!@

hahaha, USA giving you this cash, because without this support your little country will be damaged by my brothers in faith(Arabs)

salem alejkum :lol:

rofl

No..our econoumy (even with out USA help) better then Syria Egept Jordan and Lebanon togther.


And even so..who cares...we get 3 billion..and you don't. rofl


BTW: i heard that 50% of the lawers in USA aew jews.

mack pl
07-02-2004, 07:23 AM
The USA give us 3 Billion each year..and something like 11 billion in loans.

Beat that!!! :-*$ :fork:
rofl so, If you need this support, you must have crappy economy ;) rofl

Oh thanks for reaminds me...

We have better economy then yours. :D rofl

hahaa, so why you need this 3 bilions $ every year ;) :lol:

To buy big guns.....preapreing for the zionist takeover..and who cares..they give we take...why not to? rofl

Still...we have better economy then yours. :)

And we sell weopns to the USA...beat that.!@

hahaha, USA giving you this cash, because without this support your little country will be damaged by my brothers in faith(Arabs)

salem alejkum :lol:

rofl

No..our econoumy (even with out USA help) better then Syria Egept Jordan and Lebanon togther.


And even so..who cares...we get 3 billion..and you don't. rofl


BTW: i heard that 50% of the lawers in USA aew jews.

I dont care ;) We dont mess with poor arabs, like you, so we dont need this support ;)

lawyers,huh, who fukin cares ;)

:lol:

salami ojejku

W(M)D
07-02-2004, 07:23 AM
hahaha, USA giving you this cash, because without this support your little country will be damaged by my brothers in faith(Arabs)

Mack pl - So that you know:
The entire Israel/arab thing is really just one big family bust up - we are all long lost cousins, but they are the black sheep (quite literally) of the family.
On the overall they had treated their Jewish populations relatively well when compared to European nations through the centuries.

UoUo
07-02-2004, 07:26 AM
The USA give us 3 Billion each year..and something like 11 billion in loans.

Beat that!!! :-*$ :fork:
rofl so, If you need this support, you must have crappy economy ;) rofl

Oh thanks for reaminds me...

We have better economy then yours. :D rofl

hahaa, so why you need this 3 bilions $ every year ;) :lol:

To buy big guns.....preapreing for the zionist takeover..and who cares..they give we take...why not to? rofl

Still...we have better economy then yours. :)

And we sell weopns to the USA...beat that.!@

hahaha, USA giving you this cash, because without this support your little country will be damaged by my brothers in faith(Arabs)

salem alejkum :lol:

rofl

No..our econoumy (even with out USA help) better then Syria Egept Jordan and Lebanon togther.


And even so..who cares...we get 3 billion..and you don't. rofl


BTW: i heard that 50% of the lawers in USA aew jews.

I dont care ;) We dont mess with poor arabs, like you, so we dont need this support ;)

lawyers,huh, who fukin cares ;)

:lol:

salami ojejku

But you mess with the zionist.....so be ready to get invaded.

mack pl
07-02-2004, 07:26 AM
hahaha, USA giving you this cash, because without this support your little country will be damaged by my brothers in faith(Arabs)

Mack pl - So that you know:
The entire Israel/arab thing is really just one big family bust up - we are all long lost cousins, but they are the black sheep (quite literally) of the family.
On the overall they had treated their Jewish populations relatively well when compared to European nations through the centuries.
hmmm, so why the feck you left Palestina ;) And why the feck, 50% of world Jews come to Poland ;) why the feck you fight against your cousins ;) blah blah etc etc ;) :lol:


btw dont ruin this ****ty thread, mate ;) Its 16 pages of BS ;) :lol:

UoUo
07-02-2004, 07:27 AM
Ok...i need to go..unlike you! we hate the "shabat" wo woory about...take care..


I'll be back!!! :bash: :fork: :-*$ :hug:

Go Poland. :hug:

Edit : ****!!! i wrote "hate" insted of "have" :bash:

Freibier
07-02-2004, 07:27 AM
Thanks guys, the last 5 pages made my luch break - so funny rofl
keep it up :D

UoUo
07-02-2004, 07:27 AM
hahaha, USA giving you this cash, because without this support your little country will be damaged by my brothers in faith(Arabs)

Mack pl - So that you know:
The entire Israel/arab thing is really just one big family bust up - we are all long lost cousins, but they are the black sheep (quite literally) of the family.
On the overall they had treated their Jewish populations relatively well when compared to European nations through the centuries.
hmmm, so why the feck you left Palestina ;) And why the feck, 50% of world Jews come to Poland ;) why the feck you fight against your cousins ;) blah blah etc etc ;) :lol:
True.

BS rule.

btw dont ruin this ****ty thread, mate ;) Its 16 pages of BS ;) :lol:

Herrmannek
07-02-2004, 07:28 AM
Stop crap with Zionizm, its living dead.... Now we are chosen nation....