Israel and Hezbollah

[Bashir]

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Originally Posted by frenchy http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?p=4097388#post4097388)
There's a huge difference. Hezbollah had intentions to kill deliberately civilians. Rockets don't make difference between civilians and soldiers. I don't think israeli really wanted to kill civilians.

That is such a completely flawed argument that has been made so often in the media and by politicians in the defense of Israeli military action (and any conventional military action versus guerrilla action). As if Israel, in its launching of operations against Lebanon in 2006 (or 1978 or 1982 or 1993 or 1996) expected no civilian casualties. As if the deaths of the 30,000 civilians in those operations were totally accidental and unexpected! The IDF admitted it was targeting civilian buildings and infrastructure (airport, power stations, highways, entire urban neighbourhoods and villages, etc.) but could not possibly have expected civilians would be in those civilian targets could they?!! Same thing in Gaza, the old "terrorists using civilians as a shield" argument was used to justify the massacres of hundreds of women, children, and unarmed men. All unintentional and unfortunate!!

Yes, Hezbollah had fully expected that Israeli civilians would be killed by its rockets, just as Israel's army and government fully expected many Lebanese civilians would be killed by its aerial bombings and artillery. The only difference is that Hezbollah's rockets are inaccurate and, as such, they could make an argument that they were always targeting the IDF and missed. The IDF with its precision guided missiles and smart bombs would have a tough time making the same argument!!!

[Elemental666]

Tough ****.

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[SilverBoy]

Civilians die in war, thats a sad fact, but a fact none the less. The difference is that Hezbollah targetted civilian areas etc, with the intention of causing casualties, where as the IDF targetted civilian areas, sure, but the intention wasn't the death of civilians, although they obviously did occur.

It's sad, and may civilian casualties rest in peace, but there is no changing the harshness of the realities of war.

[~Berdan]

Atovu sikim arapi hemar,how about those flying pigs in your wonderfull imaginery collective world?Got some swine flu or not yet?

[RoyB]

That is such a completely flawed argument that has been made so often in the media and by politicians in the defense of Israeli military action (and any conventional military action versus guerrilla action). As if Israel, in its launching of operations against Lebanon in 2006 (or 1978 or 1982 or 1993 or 1996) expected no civilian casualties. As if the deaths of the 30,000 civilians in those operations were totally accidental and unexpected! The IDF admitted it was targeting civilian buildings and infrastructure (airport, power stations, highways, entire urban neighbourhoods and villages, etc.) but could not possibly have expected civilians would be in those civilian targets could they?!! Same thing in Gaza, the old "terrorists using civilians as a shield" argument was used to justify the massacres of hundreds of women, children, and unarmed men. All unintentional and unfortunate!!
So because it was expected to have some civilian casualties, it means that Israel was deliberately targeting civilians? why don't you go check your facts, and check a dictionary while you are there.
Targeting 'civilian' infrastructure in a war is a regular thing, and by that I mean - roads, bridges, airports, and power stations.
And terrorists are using civilians as a human shield, funny that you as a Lebanese haven't noticed it yet. just shows how much BS you get from you own country.
And what massacres?

Yes, Hezbollah had fully expected that Israeli civilians would be killed by its rockets, just as Israel's army and government fully expected many Lebanese civlians would be killed by its aerial bombings and artillery.There's a difference between expecting some civilian casualties and deliberately targeting civilians. get you head out of the sand and open your eyes for once.

The only difference is that Hezbollah's rockets are inaccurate and, as such, they could make an argument that they were always targeting the IDF and missed. The IDF with its precision guided missiles and smart bombs would have a tough time making the same argument!!!You're just showing your ignorance here.

[tanks_alot]

Yes, Hezbollah had fully expected that Israeli civilians would be killed by its rockets, just as Israel's army and government fully expected many Lebanese civilians would be killed by its aerial bombings and artillery. The only difference is that Hezbollah's rockets are inaccurate and, as such, they could make an argument that they were always targeting the IDF and missed.

Neither Hezballah or Hamas had the ability to strike specific targets with their rockets, they were aiming at population centers because that was the only thing they could hit. that does not change the fact that they were firing rockets while using Lebanese civilians as human shields.

As for aiming at IDF targets and missing... come on, so why did Hezballah never fired rockets during the night? the IDF was operating 24\7, but the civilians were sleeping in their shelters. if Hezballah was interested in avoiding civilian losses, i would say that night time was the best time in order to avoid Israeli civilian losses and even decrease the number of Lebanese civilians that were "martyred" by serving as meat shields. yet, very surprisingly Hezballah decided to avoid firing rockets during the night.

Hmmm, i wonder why? :roll:


The IDF with its precision guided missiles and smart bombs would have a tough time making the same argument!!!

The IDF droped leaflets both in Gaza and Lebanon, warning civilians to stay away from the terrorists and warning that their areas would be attacked - even though it would also alert the terrorists to the IDF's intentions and allow them to escpae. in the Gaza Strip, the IDF even called the homes of Hamas leaders and told the families to leave.

[RoyB]

^Watch out with that.. you'll soon hear about how the IDF targeted the fleeing people cars.

[seraosha]

Could someone link me to where Hezbollah dropped leaflets warning civilians to leave an area of upcoming attack? If terrorists like these operate among civilians, UN personnel, hospitals and continue their deliberate attacks against unarmed civilians, then unfortunately they will be responsible for each and every death in the conflict.

[seraosha]

Atovu sikim arapi hemar,how about those flying pigs in your wonderfull imaginery collective world?Got some swine flu or not yet?

Someone care to translate? It doesn't sound very polite, in context.