DHS is at it again - "Domestic Extremism Lexicon"

[redvand]

The DHS has another document causing problems.

The document covers right and left but right terms is clearly biased.
Saying Christians hate “mud people” is outrageous.


Domestic Extremism Lexicon (PDF) (http://hotair.cachefly.net/images/2009-05/dhs-domestic-extremism-lexicon.pdf)

[SBL]

The document covers right and left but right terms is clearly biased.
Saying Christians hate “mud people” is outrageous.



For crying out Pete's sake. :cantbeli:

It merely gives a definition for the Christian Identity philosophy, which, if you care to google that particular term, clearly states CI as being that specific type of racialized theology.

[Walter Sobchak]

Where is ACORN in that lexicon?

"Groups that attempt to destroy the integrity of US elections on both the national and state/local levels by engaging in fraudulent, deceptive and illegal activities concerning both registration of voters and in the act of voting."

Oh, they always cheat for Democrats, so they get Stimulus money instead of written up by DHS! I see now...

[redvand]

For crying out Pete's sake. :cantbeli:

It merely gives a definition for the Christian Identity philosophy, which, if you care to google that particular term, clearly states CI as being that specific type of racialized theology.

If it has said "a movement of" or "a fringe group of" as in the other definitions, you would be right.


But the average person doesn't know that it is a fringe group. They will just see Christian.

[SBL]

If it has said "a movement of" or "a fringe group of" as in the other definitions, you would be right.


But the average person doesn't know that it is a fringe group. They will just see Christian.


It's right there in black and white:
A racist religious philosophy


And that's before detailing the particulars which, to anyone with even a passing understanding of Christianity, would recognize as being less than mainstream. Sorry pal, you don't have an argument.

[wildcat]

Interesting


(U) militia movement (U//FOUO) A rightwing extremist movement composed of
groups or individuals who adhere to an antigovernment
ideology often incorporating various conspiracy theories.
Members oppose most federal and state laws, regulations, and
authority (particularly firearms laws and regulations) and
often conduct paramilitary training designed to resist
perceived government interference in their activities or to
overthrow the U.S. Government through the use of violence.
(also: citizens militia, unorganized militia)

oh the first part of the 2nd Amendment? like duh.

(U) patriot movement (U//FOUO)A term used by rightwing extremists to link their
beliefs to those commonly associated with the American
Revolution. The patriot movement primarily comprises
violent antigovernment groups such as militias and sovereign
citizens.
(also: Christian patriots, patriot group, Constitutionalists,
Constitutionist)



now that is really twisting it to lump anyone that believes in the constitution. So I guess the US army veterans groups must be militias because they tend to be patriotic


The whole document is double speak.

[SBL]

Interesting



oh the first part of the 2nd Amendment? like duh.


now that is really twisting it to lump anyone that believes in the constitution. So I guess the US army veterans groups must be militias because they tend to be patriotic


The whole document is double speak.Please don't start. You guys are worse than a sewing circle.

[Dan2004]

I stopped paying attention to these idiots after the whole "Vets=terrorists" nonsense.

At first, I was all in favor of DHS as an agency to assist in the combatting of foreign threats. But now, it seems as if they've focused their attention inward on the American people. Hmm, didn't we already have a federal LE agency for that???

[FlintHillBilly]

That pdf file is BS. What a bunch of crock.

[wildcat]

Please don't start.
I am sorry but it seems to me there is a message being sent, that if you do not believe the the current political system then you are an extremists, they are putting out these ridiculous definition, taking normal terms twisting them to fit some wacko group. Document like this are very worrying, the way they are worded, seems like the they are written buy people who do not care for people rights, and to me seems like they are only after a nation of followers, which will blind follow what ever they want, seem like they do not believe in the republic.

it seems we have a Demagogy (also demagoguery) (Ancient Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek) δημαγωγία, from δῆμος dēmos "people" and ἄγειν agein "to lead") refers to a political strategy for gaining political power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_power) by appealing to the popular prejudices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice), emotions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion), fears (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear) and expectations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expectation) of the public — typically via impassioned rhetoric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric) and propaganda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda), and often using nationalist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism) or populist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism) themes. The term was used for the first time by Aristophanes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristophanes) in his satire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire) against the demagogue Cleon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleon).)

[Dominique]

I've come to the conclusion that most of you are idiots. Quit whining every time a report comes out. Anyone who actually bothers to do a little research, or has had any dealing with the "Christian Identity" movement, knows they are nothing more than racist thugs out to push their views of racial superiority. Christian Identity refers to groups like the CSA, not your everyday, run of the mill Christian. And many of the so called private "militia" groups, are either paranoid nuts, wannabes, and anti-government types.

If the government didn't produce reports, and/or watch these idiots, and they pull off some sort of attack, you'd be the same people crying about how they're a bunch of morons, and should have seen the attack coming. Basically, you need to pull your heads out your ass, grow some thicker skin, and quit seeing government conspiracies to get you around every freaking corner.

[SBL]

I am sorry but it seems to me there is a message being sent, that if you do not believe the the current political system then you are an extremists, they are putting out these ridiculous definition, taking normal terms twisting them to fit some wacko group. Document like this are very worrying, the way they are worded, seems like the they are written buy people who do not care for people rights, and to me seems like they are only after a nation of followers, which will blind follow what ever they want, seem like they do not believe in the republic.


With all due respect, I think you're being paranoid. And a little ironic.

[wildcat]

With all due respect, I think you're being paranoid.
maybe, I hope it is just that.

[Dominique]

I stopped paying attention to these idiots after the whole "Vets=terrorists" nonsense.

At first, I was all in favor of DHS as an agency to assist in the combatting of foreign threats. But now, it seems as if they've focused their attention inward on the American people. Hmm, didn't we already have a federal LE agency for that???

DHS didn't say "Vets=terrorists", they did say that extremist groups were likely to try to recruit vets. And last I checked, DHS is a law enforcement agency, which means they have responsibility to focus on ANY potential threat to the safety and security of the US. If those threats happen to be Americans, then so be it.

[FlintHillBilly]

I was reading through it and found this under skinheads...

Dress often includes a shaved
head or very short hair, jeans, thin suspenders, combat boots
or Doc Martens, and a bomber jacket.

Doc Martens? Your kidding, how many skin heads wear Doc Martens...?
A bomber jacket? WTF is a bomber jacket? Are they talkin a trench coat type jacket? Or one of those old WWII pilots jackets?

[wildcat]

I was reading through it and found this under skinheads...

Dress often includes a shaved
head or very short hair, jeans, thin suspenders, combat boots
or Doc Martens, and a bomber jacket.

Doc Martens? Your kidding, how many skin heads wear Doc Martens...?
A bomber jacket? WTF is a bomber jacket? Are they talkin a trench coat type jacket? Or one of those old WWII pilots jackets?

The skinheads from the UK had a dress code kind off,

shave head, Fred perry polo shirt, suspenders, and Doc martin boots mainly in oxblood color, or oxblood shoes with skin tight jeans, and a green bomber jacket, or some times a long green OD coat with the RAF circle symbol in it.

[Dominique]

I was reading through it and found this under skinheads...

Dress often includes a shaved
head or very short hair, jeans, thin suspenders, combat boots
or Doc Martens, and a bomber jacket.

Doc Martens? Your kidding, how many skin heads wear Doc Martens...?
A bomber jacket? WTF is a bomber jacket? Are they talkin a trench coat type jacket? Or one of those old WWII pilots jackets?


Apparently, you've never seen some of the more hardcore skinheads. many of you seem to live rather sheltered lives, and don't deal with these knuckleheads. Law enforcement has to deal with everything from Islamic terrorist, anti-abortion groups, to white-supremacists, to eco-terrorists. If they don't study, monitor, and inform the public about them, they set themselves up for failure, at some point in the future. But when they do, everyone starts crying about this group, or that group is being singled out. No matter what they do, someone's going to get pissed off. It's a no win situation for them no matter what they do.

[FlintHillBilly]

Apparently, you've never seen some of the more hardcore skinheads. .

Yeah i understand that. I just dont ever recall seeing them with Doc Martens and bomber jackets.

[wildcat]

Yeah i understand that. I just dont ever recall seeing them with Doc Martens and bomber jackets.
In the US I don't think I have every seen a skin head, I seen them in Europe and grew up with lots of them in school, but there were not the racist type, just the fashion thugs.

[Dominique]

In the US I don't think I have every seen a skin head, I seen them in Europe and grew up with lots of them in school, but there were not the racist type, just the fashion thugs.

They're out there, just as there are "anti-racist" skinhead groups (they go around beating up groups they consider racist :roll: )

[Zarak]

Yeah i understand that. I just dont ever recall seeing them with Doc Martens and bomber jackets.

I've never seen a skinhead not wearing Doc Martens and a bomber jacket. Maybe the memo got lost somewhere between 1980 and Kansas.

[Hot Lips]

now that is really twisting it to lump anyone that believes in the constitution. So I guess the US army veterans groups must be militias because they tend to be patriotic


The whole document is double speak.


Its says the extremist are making an effort to associate their movements with those things, ergo attempting to conceal or sugar coat their activities by trying to relate to the larger group. It does NOT say that people of the larger group are extremists.

[wildcat]

They're out there, just as there are "anti-racist" skinhead groups (they go around beating up groups they consider racist :roll: )
SKAN = Skinheads against Nazis, I seen these in the UK, when every the Neo march, the SKAN go too, ends up in big fights.

[wildcat]

Its says the extremist are making an effort to associate their movements with those things, ergo attempting to conceal or sugar coat their activities by trying to relate to the larger group. It does NOT say that people of the larger group are extremists.
I really hope so, Oh sh1t, did not realize that dam foil hat was still on, taking it off, now I feel better thank HL :hug:you always save me.

[Gleipnir]

here we go again...

http://i41.tinypic.com/1607onk.jpg

[ronnieraygun]

They're out there, just as there are "anti-racist" skinhead groups (they go around beating up groups they consider racist :roll: )

It's really scaled down from 15-20 years ago. They actually had some Sharp or ARA-types shoot a racist skin in Seattle back then. Most claimed to have taken back the streets from the racists some time ago. I still thought it was kind of funny seeing guys walk down the street in Spokane with all the requisite tattoos and everything, they didn't have any affected English soccer hooligan costumes but you knew what they were about.

-I know it has been mentioned already, but Christian Identity has jack to do with Christianity. I think the last famous Christian Identity guy was Matt Hale, a lawyer in Illinois who is now in prison for a long time.

[Gleipnir]

SHARP (SkinHeads Against Racism & Prejudice) skins a strange bunch... I guess they are more into the original working class fashion side of things and hence why they adopt the look, trying to save it's historical reputation from what it turned into and is commonly perceived as... battling against racist skinheads ... subcultures... it is just bizarre isn't it.

[Dominique]

I know it has been mentioned already, but Christian Identity has jack to do with Christianity. I think the last famous Christian Identity guy was Matt Hale, a lawyer in Illinois who is now in prison for a long time.

They're still out there, and actively recruiting. After the FBI and ATF really started cracking down on them, they started taking a lower profile, but with most federal resources focused on other issues, the sh*tty state of the economy, and people just generally pissed off about the state of the county, some of them are trying to make a comeback.

[Hot Lips]

I really hope so, Oh sh1t, did not realize that dam foil hat was still on, taking it off, now I feel better thank HL :hug:you always save me.


Don't worry. I almost did the same thing when THIS REPORT (http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/8470/cougars.jpg)was released. ;)

[ronnieraygun]

Don't worry. I almost did the same thing when THIS REPORT (http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/8470/cougars.jpg)was released. ;)

Is 38 really a cougar or more of a puma (cougar in training)? This is clearly a threat of some kind, not unlike bears.

p-)

[Dominique]

Is 38 really a cougar or more of a puma (cougar in training)? This is clearly a threat of some kind, not unlike bears.

p-)

Not to worry, I've had this group under surveillance for years, and plan to continue to monitor their activities at various drinking establishments, fitness centers, school functions, and other places they are know to congregate. ;)

[Hot Lips]

Thank you for taking DHS seriously, Dom. We could use a few more good men.

See you at the bar.



(and by "we" I meant the Cougars not Uncle Sam)

[Zarak]

(and by "we" I meant the Cougars not Uncle Sam)

OMGZ are the Cougars domestic extremists?

[Dominique]

See you at the bar.

I'll be infiltrating their organization Friday night. I'll be on my guard as you never know when things could get physical, or one of them could end up with a serious tongue lashing. ;)

[Hot Lips]

OMGZ are the Cougars domestic extremists?

Only if they are over 55.

[Dominique]

OMGZ are the Cougars domestic extremists?

I won't know for sure until I can examine them up close, and I figure the best way to do that is back at their place of residence. After a long night of careful study, I'll be able to make my determination. If one of them catches my eye, it's better to be safe than sorry.

[wildcat]

I like where this thread is now heading, never seen any skin heads in the USA, but today at the garden store, there was some fine cougars there, yum yum. One even hit on me.

[Dominique]

I like where this thread is now heading, never seen any skin heads in the USA, but today at the garden store, there was some fine cougars there, yum yum. One even hit on me.

Cougars are like fine wine, they get better with age. While I and the ex don't tend to get along for more than five minutes at a time, I'll freely admit, that she is still smoking hot at 39. And yes, I'd hit it again if I had the chance.

[Solomin]

DHS didn't say "Vets=terrorists", they did say that extremist groups were likely to try to recruit vets. And last I checked, DHS is a law enforcement agency, which means they have responsibility to focus on ANY potential threat to the safety and security of the US. If those threats happen to be Americans, then so be it.

Yes, and no. You're correct in so far as the context of what you are trying to get at. For precision purposes however, DHS is not an LE agency. DHS is the 2nd largest department (2nd to the DoD) in the US government and has under their department, FLE agancies, but is not itself an LE agency. I know it looks like I'm splitting hairs here, but to those who understand some of the intracusies of the US government, it is an important one to make.

[XShipRider]

And people thought Bush* was going to institute martial law to maintain power. I laugh at thee. It looks as though Obama is actually putting the framework in place. There's got to be a viable, plausible threat before he could do any such action.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to adjust my tinfoil hat.

*and Clinton before that... and Bush before that.. and Reagan before that.. and ... et cetera.

[Dragonscript]

I live less than 20 miles from the HQ of the Church of the National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan who like to cause all kinds of local problems. Recently they built a private shooting range and "encouraged" thier more undesirable neighbors to move away. They also like to hold white pride rallies every year in a local town, Granger Indiana, that has a large hispanic immigrant community.

[Connaught Ranger]

Yeah i understand that. I just dont ever recall seeing them with Doc Martens and bomber jackets.

The bomber jacket referred to was a polyester/nylon/rayon short US style elasticated pilot-flight crew jacket from the late 1960's 1970's period and not the WW2 Korean Era Wool-lined leather Irvin flying Jackets.

We call suspenders, braces, in the UK.

Connaught Ranger

[Dominique]

We call suspenders, braces, in the UK.

And take a wild guess at what item they've tagged suspenders. ;)

[MaverickCowboy]

Militias are Extremists?


reallly?

[MaverickCowboy]

Also, the patriot movement?.....Extremist?

[Dominique]

Militias are Extremists?


reallly?

The "militias" referred to are groups like the Michigan Militia, and they are most definitely extremist groups.

[California Joe]

If it has said "a movement of" or "a fringe group of" as in the other definitions, you would be right.


But the average person doesn't know that it is a fringe group. They will just see Christian.

Then the average person needs to get their head out of their ass and do some research. Or they could just piss and moan on the interwebs and try and associate themselves with freaks and ****heads in hate groups.


I stopped paying attention to these idiots after the whole "Vets=terrorists" nonsense.

Sometimes I despair for the educational system in this country.


Militias are Extremists?


reallly?

The ones that get watched by the Feds are. And I'm sorry that your reading comprehension is either at f*cktard levels or you are some closet case militia nutbag that should be in jail.