Is this real? US navy's new aircraft "the Bird of Prey&

[iforgot]

who can tell me what's this?

http://gb.chinabroadcast.cn/mmsource/images/2004/06/25/ne040625006.jpghttp://gb.chinabroadcast.cn/mmsource/images/2004/06/25/ne040625001.jpghttp://gb.chinabroadcast.cn/mmsource/images/2004/06/25/ne040625004.jpghttp://gb.chinabroadcast.cn/mmsource/images/2004/06/25/ne040625005.jpg

[scrybe]

Well those all don't like like the same plane, but the picture on the left is definately for a movie. It was posted in a pic of the day thread a few days ago. (It's fake)

[Ratamacue]

Hey iforgot, you hear that sound outside? That's the black helicopter coming to take you away for divulging top secret information.

[Ghostwolf]

Hey iforgot, you hear that sound outside? That's the black helicopter coming to take you away for divulging top secret information.

Uh.... no. It's probably the Russians.

http://www.suchoj.com/ab1953/Su-47/riss/Su-47_03.jpg

Look familiar?

[Uncle Chô]

Those are REAL pictures of some movie scenes shot 2 weeks ago on the USS Abraham Lincoln...

http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_040618-N-6817C-036.jpg


040618-N-6817C-098 Pacific Ocean (June 18, 2004) – A fictitious jet aircraft for the upcoming Columbia Tri-Star motion picture "Stealth," sits on one of four steam-powered catapults on the flight deck aboard the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72). "Stealth," starring Jessica Biel, Josh Lucas and Jamie Foxx, is due to be released next summer. Lincoln is conducting local operations in preparation for an upcoming scheduled deployment after 10 months of dry docked Planned Incremental Availability (PIA). U.S. Navy photo by Photographer’s Mate 3rd Class Tyler J. Clements (RELEASED)

[McLane]

For a movie? *lool* But this aircraft looks really cool! Hrrrr.... :P

[wiggle]

f* the planes turn this into a Jessica Biel thread, mmmm she made texas chainsaw massacre so very watchable.

[Xingbake]

It's a mixed blood of F-117 and Su-30 :D :D

[Holliwood]

maybe S-37 and not SU30! :bash: :lol: :lol:


Fabio p-)

[J-10]

Its S-37 + Su-34

http://www.bearcraft-online.com/museum/photos/b.70.1.jpg

[Uncle Chô]

http://hsfeatures.com/images/firefoxph_title.jpg

http://hsfeatures.com/images/firefoxph_poster.jpg

Not to forget the Mig 31 (http://thinkinrussian.org/) ;)

[He219]

Could be one of them new Nazzi planes ...
;)

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/ju287-1.jpg
Ju287
http://www.luft46.com/ghart/gh162d-6.jpg
Heinkel He 162 FS

[Ghostwolf]

http://www.luft46.com/ghart/gh162d-6.jpg
Heinkel He 162 FS

Ah yes the volkjager. So why is the engine placed in front of the tail fin?
If I remember correct the entire fuselage and wings are made of wood,
kinda dangerous isn't it?

[Uncle Chô]

If I remember correct the entire fuselage and wings are made of wood, kinda dangerous isn't it?
The British DeHavilland Vampire was build the same way (the fuselage was made out of plywood) and flew without any specific problems until the early-90s (Swiss Air Force). Unless some canopies blew up at high altitude... ;)

[el_kab0ng]

http://www.reject.org/pr0ject/raven2.jpg


It's the Cobra Night Raven!!!!

;)

[He219]

Ah yes the volkjager. So why is the engine placed in front of the tail fin?
If I remember correct the entire fuselage and wings are made of wood,
kinda dangerous isn't it?

This FS version had a 'V' tail, discernable in Plan View. The built versions had 'H' tails ...

http://www.hut.fi/~andres/gifs/He162FSW1.jpg

Dangerous? Only if the glue failed ..

On December 10th Peter was again flying the prototype at Schwechat, this time in a show for Nazi officials. He was making a high speed run over the airfield when one of the wings came partly unglued and shed its starboard aileron. He quickly lost control and the plane rolled over into the ground and Peter was killed. The accident investigation found that the bonding agent for the wood was to blame, it was a new adhesive because the factory producing the usual glue had been bombed. The wing was then redesigned for greater strength.

V2 first flew on December 22nd, with Heinkel director Carl Francke at the controls. The V2 had not been fitted with the stronger wings, so Francke kept his top speed under 500km/h (310mph). The V2 was the prototype for the A-1 variant and was fitted with the two 30mm MK108 cannons, and it became clear that even with these low velocity guns the recoil was too much for the plywood nose area to handle. Production then shifted to building the A-2 version with two 20mm MG151/20's in place of the MK108's, while design efforts began on a A-3 variant with a stronger nose to allow use of the MK108's.

The third and fourth prototypes both took to the air on January 16th, 1945. They had the new, stronger wing and a number of other changes, the most visible being turned-down wingtip extensions and larger vertical tails which were supposed to help with the directional instability. The various changes resulted in the He 162 weighing quite a bit more than the two tonne limit, the V4 weighed 2800kg (6,184lbs) fully loaded. However, the speed of the plane was considerably better than expected, the He 162 was capable of an astonishing 890km/h at sea level and 905km/h at 5950m, making it the fastest plane in the world.
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/he162_mm.html


The Stealth benefits of using wood composites are self evident along with the savings in precious resources ...

[Midav]

http://gb.chinabroadcast.cn/mmsource/images/2004/06/25/ne040625001.jpg

I've seen this before. I can't remember exactly, but believe it was in Airpower magazine. They were talking about the F-117, Aurora, TR-3, Mothership, B-2 and other stealth aircraft that exist or may exist.

[ZeroPositive]

That is awesome those German Jets were the **** :D

[DPGLAW]

Does anyone know what this new movie, "Stealth", is about? I assume from the name is has to do with Stealth...lol But does anyone have an idea of the plot? Or a link to the movie's website?

[He219]

Does anyone know what this new movie, "Stealth", is about? I assume from the name is has to do with Stealth...lol But does anyone have an idea of the plot? Or a link to the movie's website?

Platform389 posted this (http://www.thezreview.co.uk/comingsoon/s/stealth.htm) after my pic's of this 'thing' in todays pics- wed june 23 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17962&start=16) ...
;)

[Shake n Bake]

http://gb.chinabroadcast.cn/mmsource/images/2004/06/25/ne040625001.jpg

I've seen this before. I can't remember exactly, but believe it was in Airpower magazine. They were talking about the F-117, Aurora, TR-3, Mothership, B-2 and other stealth aircraft that exist or may exist.


http://www.johnmacneill.com/PS_Fighter_cover.gif
http://www.air-attack.com/ats/switchblade/popsciswitch.jpghttp://www.air-attack.com/ats/switchblade/switchblade-bomb.jpg

http://www.air-attack.com/page.php?pid=9
http://www.johnmacneill.com/home.html


"Switchblade" Fighter/bomber concept

[Midav]

"Switchblade"

That[s the name!!!

Thanks man!!

[muede]

There is a real "Bird of Prey" which was only test bed made by boieng... had several new features (manufacture related..) for a a/c.. however, it doesnt look like any like that..

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2002/q4/nr_021018m.html

And what is shown here is a hoax...

[Durandal]

There is a real "Bird of Prey"...

To add to muede's post...

Its on display up at Wright Patterson Airforce Museum...seen it many times.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2002/photorelease/q4/dvd-226-5.jpg

[Midav]

Isn't the Bird of Prey basically a test bed for the X-45 UCAV?

[Trigger]

It's the X-02 from Ace Combat 4 :D
http://www.merqurycity.com/shatteredskies/images/x02modelkit/x-02a_1.jpg
http://www.merqurycity.com/shatteredskies/images/x02modelkit/x-02a_2.jpg
Schwing! (http://www.merqurycity.com/shatteredskies/x02.html)

[Durandal]

Isn't the Bird of Prey basically a test bed for the X-45 UCAV?

Maybe...as far as technologies go, but the UCAV's airframe looks a WHOLE lot different...

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/X-45A/Small/EC04-0100-01.jpg

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/X-45A/Small/EC03-0047-3.jpg

Bird of Prey was a piloted vehicle also...or so I thought it was...
http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2003/photorelease/q3/dvd-409-001-450.jpg

The smaller McDonald-Douglas test bed...the X-36 has a lot of similarities with the Brid of Prey as far as control surfaces and engine styles/placement...I've seen both in person.

http://www.geocities.com/xplanes2000/a496064.gif

There are couple guys that have websites online that CLAIM the BoP is somehow related but I do not see it...in design. Then again, the X-45 series is still being tested at Skunk Works, so I doubt we'll find much in the way of confirmation...

Anyone know of the B series of the X-45 met specs/expectations...or even flew yet?

[Falco]

the X-29 also comes to mind when you think of these kind of aircraft

http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/images/x-29-a.jpg

http://www.csl.sri.com/images/x29.jpg

[seruriermarshal]

the X-29 also comes to mind when you think of these kind of aircraft

http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/images/x-29-a.jpg

http://www.csl.sri.com/images/x29.jpg

Like S-37 ?

:roll:

[Midav]

Ah ok, ty!

Edit: Btw, the X-29 flew for the first time in 1984, years before anyone heard anything of an SU-47 (S-37) :)

[Durandal]

Like S-37 ?

:roll:

Not too sure what the :roll: is for...

For those that do not know, the S-37/SU-47 is pictured below.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/s37/images/img1.jpg
It flew in 1997...20 years after the X-29 project began (in 1977) and a full six after the X-29's testing flights ended...The final design of the X-29 was selected in 1981 and the first flight was in 1984. The final flight was in 1991.

So can the "we did it first" crap. Facts are facts. The first to experiment with SOME of the design (wings in this case) were the Germans, as far as I know, back in the 40's. This was one of the first FLYING concepts of an ATF (Advanced Tactical Fighter). Lightweight super strong composites and fly-by-wire technology were key in the design and just as much a part of the experiment as the forward swept wings and control canards. A lot was learned and were used as stepping stoned to develop the current ATF.

I'll close by cutting and pasting a couple tidbits about the project...


Research results showed that the configuration of forward swept wings, coupled with movable canards, gave pilots excellent control response at up to 45 degrees angle of attack. During its flight history, the X-29s were flown on 422 research missions — 242 by aircraft No. 1 in the Phase 1 portion of the program; 120 flights by aircraft No. 2 in Phase 2; and 60 flights in a follow-on "vortex control" phase. An additional 12 non-research flights with X-29 No. 1 and 2 non-research flights with X-29 No. 2 raised the total number of flights with the two aircraft to 436.

Edit:

Popular Science

Named Berkut, which translates to mean Golden Eagle or Royal Eagle, the S-37 bears an "S" rather than an "Su" designation because it is an experimental rather than production aircraft. Design of the aircraft, originally known as the S-32, began around 1983, and drew on many years of FSW research that had commenced in the former Soviet Union during the 1940s—initially using captured Nazi technology. The Russians were also well aware of the Grumman X-29 FSW research aircraft, as two of these single-seat, single-engine planes were being tested in America between 1984 and the early 1990s

[He219]

try 50!

http://www.csl.sri.com/images/x29.jpg
Did you notice the strings used to indicate the airflow?

Where do you think that came from?
;)

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/ju287-1.jpg
August 16, 1944: Ju 287 V1 Testbed, preparing for airflow tests with a camera located aft.

[ZeroPositive]

Those German Engineers made some amazing Planes/Tanks...
Wow

[muede]

Deutschland über alles.. ;)
Funny that so many things were invented in Germany so long time ago, things that people now think as "modern".. and sad but try, claim as their own inventions.. :|

[He219]

Deutschland über alles.. ;)
Funny that so many things were invented in Germany so long time ago, things that people now think as "modern".. and sad but try, claim as their own inventions.. :|

Who takes claim in those developments? In fact both the United States and Russia recognized their genius and built on those experiences by utilizing their talents throughout the cold war, albeit against each other.

Remember that Wernher Von Braun, Director of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center and direcotor of the US ballistic missile program at Redstone Arsenal aslo was one of 'them'.
;)

http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/history/VonBraun/vonbraun-portrait.gif

Wernher Von Braun was one of the world's first and foremost rocket engineers and a leading authority on space travel. His will to expand man's knowledge through the exploration of space led to the development of the Explorer satellites, the Jupiter and Jupiter-C rockets, Pershing, the Redstone rocket, Saturn rockets, and Skylab, the world's first space station. Additionally, his determination to "go where no man has gone before" led to mankind setting foot on the moon.
http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/history/VonBraun/VonBraun.html



The trouble is that for over 50 years germans wished to diavow anything associated with their nazi past and thus remained indifferent to the radical developments of the war years.

Only now that it has been aknowledged through the aerospace community itself as being the basis for practically all modern aircraft and missile design does the average german start to take notice.

However, it is too late.

The trials and circumstances that generated the generation of genius in germany before and during the war years also saw those same hardened individuals leave their native land to forced prospects within the soviet union or as future american citizens.

The ones that remained rebuilt germany into a strong and vibrant european economic powerhouse as it was into the early 90's. Unfortunately that same ethic has been lost to new generations that now expect the level of prosperity earned by the same generation modern germans are just starting to recognize, ableit the geno-drain and predilection to the welfare state ...

:lol:

[kutter]

Its probably worth mentioning that the Germans were also the first to commercially offer a forward swept aircraftin the form of the HFB-320 Hansa jet. It first flew in 1964 and a total of 45 were sold, mainly to airliners. The only military user seems to have been the Luftwaffe which used it as an Electronic Warfare trainers and for VIP Flights for the Ministry's of Defense.
http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRHeft7X/FRHeft77/FRH7705/FR7705b1.JPG

[dugdug]

It's the X-02 from Ace Combat 4 :D
http://www.merqurycity.com/shatteredskies/images/x02modelkit/x-02a_1.jpg
http://www.merqurycity.com/shatteredskies/images/x02modelkit/x-02a_2.jpg
Schwing! (http://www.merqurycity.com/shatteredskies/x02.html)

yeahh!