The possibility of Mongoilia returning to China

[Shuimo]

The following Chinese article is very interesting. The author brings together the Taiwan question and Mongolia, and gave the hint that Mongolia might return to China again some day. What do you think of such a possibility?


台湾和蒙古，一个想要不给，一个不给还要！ (http://blog.ifeng.com/article/2645637.html#)



发表于 2009-05-06 07:29:01 类别：析社会现象 (http://blog.ifeng.com/index.php?action=home&uid=1146242&t=109056)

http://blog.ifeng.com/article/2645637.html

[SBL]

I think you should probably ask the Mongolians what they think.

[wildcat]

should not china be returned to Mongolia.

[matthew.manhorn]

I think China should return to Mongolia since China has always been part of Mongolia since the Yuan dynasty, just like Tibet was to China. Then Russia should return to Mongolia as they're part of it as well, then I can pick up some Russian chicks since we're all Mongolians :)

[wildcat]

oh dear wrong thread

[rolls]

What we need is another khan to come through and smite all of Asia.

[Cstafford]

What we need is another khan to come through and smite all of Asia.
Riding a T-55, but having a sword, telling his driver to "Get me closer, I want to hit them with my sword".

[Switek]

Seems that chicom is looking for new ideology. Long Live Greater China!!!!

[ZeroZen]

Haha, I ask my mongol friend this question about mongolia returns to China. He went genghis on me...hell no. The Chinese maybe interested but the mongols are not because of Khanish culture. PRC do recognized Mongolia but ROC doesn't.

[Shuimo]

There are more MOgolians living in inner Mongolia of PR China than in the Republic of Mongolia!

[matthew.manhorn]

There are more MOgolians living in inner Mongolia of PR China than in the Republic of Mongolia!

Who cares, those are Mongolians seeking for jobs. Leave Mongolia's pastures alone! Mongolia has good relations with China and poses no threat! China should solve its own land before caring others!

There are more Irish living in London than in Dublin, so should Ireland be part of Great Britain as well?

[Switek]

Who cares, those are Mongolians seeking for jobs. Leave Mongolia's pastures alone!

There are more Irish living in London than in Dublin as well, so should Ireland be part of Great Britain as well?


Great Britain should be divided between Ireland, Poland and Pakistan :)

[TR1]

Hopefully Russia will maintain close relations with Mongloia, making such nonsense impossible.

[LineDoggie]

I think you should probably ask the Mongolians what they think.

Silly boy, Mongolias opinions count not to bejing. It the "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" reborn.

[BlackFlag]

There are more Irish living in London than in Dublin, so should Ireland be part of Great Britain as well?

Ever hear of Northern Ireland?

[matthew.manhorn]

Ever hear of Northern Ireland?

Northern Ireland is a powderkeg, not land.

[LineDoggie]

Ever hear of Northern Ireland?Sssssshh, I dont think he gets that

[Switek]

Silly boy, Mongolias opinions count not to bejing. It the "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" reborn.

You're silly as well. CCP exactly knows, as progressive exponent of people will, what is a real opinion of Mongolians.

[deagle]

mongoilia should goto china

mongolia should goto mongolia

[matthew.manhorn]

mongoilia should goto china

mongolia should goto mongolia

Ching Chang Chong hihihihihihihi

[BlackFlag]

Northern Ireland is a powderkeg, not land.

Thank you for that insight Mr. History Expert/Anthropologist.

I'll be coming to you for all of my history/culture needs.

[matthew.manhorn]

Thank you for that insight Mr. History Expert/Anthropologist.

I'll be coming to you for all of my history/culture needs.

Yeah you should take some geography lessons if you think Dublin is located in Northern Ireland, but I think you're better off with literature since you're pretty good at sarcasm.

[BlackFlag]

Yeah you should take some geography lessons if you think Dublin is located in Northern Ireland, but I think you're better off with literature since you're pretty good at sarcasm.

You said Ireland, which is an Island.

Dublin is located in The Republic of Ireland, which is a nation on the island.

[damagejackal]

A Taiwanese perspective of the world
. . .Notice Mongolia "Ours" :)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6p3bV77R3Zc/SFC9BLcuWsI/AAAAAAAAAF8/ho6iP2epEek/s1600/Taiwan%2BWorld%2BLarger.jpg

[Ordie]

The following Chinese article is very interesting. The author brings together the Taiwan question and Mongolia, and gave the hint that Mongolia might return to China again some day. What do you think of such a possibility?


Unlike Tibet and Taiwan, the PRC recognizes Mongolia as an independent soveriegn nation and member of the United Nations.

But why should Mongolians join China just to be treated like second-class citizens. Here's an article I recalled from last year's Olympics.


Fears of a 'no-fun' Olympics in Beijing

Mary-Anne Toy, Beijing
July 19, 2008
FEARS of a "no fun Olympics" are growing as security restrictions increase and become more bizarre with less than 20 days to go until the opening ceremony.
Beijing police have been visiting bar owners in the popular Sanlitun area and asking them to sign pledges agreeing to not serve black people or Mongolians and ban activities including dancing.
Bar owners said that police have been clamping down on black people and Mongolians, who are sometimes implicated in drug dealing and prostitution, as part of an Olympic clean-up campaign that they and locals fear will make for a secure but sterile Games.
Maggies, Beijing's most notorious expatriate bar, referred to as the "Mongolian embassy" because of its popularity with Mongolian prostitutes and Western men, was shut suddenly about two months ago after a reported murder.
The gay bar Destination has also been ordered to shut down its dance bar until further notice.
And in a separate move, the Ministry of Public Security announced at the start of the month that from October 1, discos, karaoke bars and other entertainment venues must install transparent partitions in previously private rooms, and ensure staff dress more modestly as part of an effort to crack down on prostitution and drugs.
The Minister of Culture announced on Thursday that all overseas entertainers who have ever attended activities that "threaten national sovereignty" will be banned. This follows an outburst by Icelandic singer Bjork at a Shanghai concert on March 2, which sparked an official investigation.
Bjork shouted out, "Tibet, Tibet," after performing her song Declare Independence.
A notice on the Ministry's website on Thursday said that entertainers who "threaten national unity", "whip up ethnic hatred", "violate religious policy or cultural norms" or "advocate obscenity or feudalism and superstition" will be banned. "Feudalism and superstition" are often code words used by the Chinese Government to refer to Tibetans loyal to the Dalai Lama. The move follows the detention of several prominent Tibetan singers.
Beijing CBD businesses are reporting increasingly bizarre restrictions on couriers. This includes a ban on transporting CD-ROMs through the city, and mobile phones or GPS devices can only be sent if their batteries are delivered separately. This is on top of postal restrictions on sending liquids and powders.
At least six big bars and restaurants inside the Beijing Workers' Stadium compound - where Olympic soccer matches will be held - have been ordered to shut ahead of the Olympics and during Games time.
Hundreds of armed checkpoints on the main roads coming into Beijing were introduced two weeks ago, and non-Beijing-registered vehicles have been banned until after the Olympics, a move that is causing massive delays and extra costs for businesses.
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Source:http://www.theage.com.au/world/fears-of-a-nofun-olympics-in-beijing-20080718-3hkb.html

[SineJustitia]

Now I'm confused... Mongolians are black gays?

On a more serious note: why would China want a land that, apparantly, in their eyes is implicated in drug dealing and prostitution?

[Ordie]

On a more serious note: why would China want a land that, apparantly, in their eyes is implicated in drug dealing and prostitution?

China is running out of water and fertile land.

Mongolia is just a stepping stone to Lake Baykal. One of the world's largest sources of fresh water.

http://baikaladventures.ru/images/map-krug1.gif

[TR1]

Calm down ORdie, China won't be getting Baikal any time soon. Or anytime this century. Past that, hard to predict :).

[Ordie]

Calm down ORdie, China won't be getting Baikal any time soon. Or anytime this century. Past that, hard to predict :).

I'll be glad to help double the population of Russia and create a Strong Army

[TR1]

Now that's the spirit!

[Shuimo]

China is running out of water and fertile land.

Mongolia is just a stepping stone to Lake Baykal. One of the world's largest sources of fresh water.

http://baikaladventures.ru/images/map-krug1.gif

Ordie, for once you got it exactly right!

I hate to break it to mp forumers, but you got our secret all open!:slap:

[Switek]

I'll be glad to help double the population of Russia and create a Strong Army

Considering the fact that Russia is practically main energy (or will be pretty soon) resources supplier for Europe I'm guessing that Russia eventually will be defended by some European forces as well May be even by NATO as Russia'd enter to the pact.

[TR1]

Russia being defended by European forces? that is some delusional tale Switek...

[Switek]

Yes, you know that is our secret plan. Firstly, we must encircle you and divide.. ;)




Well I meant in my previous post, European forces as an ally, of course.

[TR1]

We got Ordie, I think we will survive.

[Eoin666]

Now I'm confused... Mongolians are black gays?


So what are Magnolians, a slighter paler shade

[acosta]

Khalkha Mongols have never been the true offsprings of great Genghis Khan. They were from from an ancient serbria tribes.

Thanks for the great help from Ordie, former USSA or Russia POPulation got the snack of current land of "Mongolia", and handed it to these khalkhas. while the real offsprings of Genghis Khan lost their homeland and had to live in China. Treated good or bad, they are hoping their can get back their land and have their new nation.

Khalkhas are more russian than mongols, at least in lifestyle. they betrayed Genghis Khan the great's faith.

Study the truth, don't be fooled by some bad guys or media.

[adaca]

Mongolia or Outer Mongolia (as Innner Mongolia is part of China) was part of China according to the Republic of China back in the 80s, along with Manchurian territories ceded to the Russians by the Qing government back in the 1800s. I don't think they have formally stopped claiming that, except to not talk about it anymore, just like how Japan doesn't formally apologize for its war crimes. Otherwise, it's a loss of face even though nobody in the "Republic of China" wants to think or talk about it anymore.

The PRC played nice with the Soviets and recognized Mongolia's independence and much of the boundaries ceded by the Qing government. China and the Soviet Union did get into a brief war over a small part of it in 1969 after Chinese and Soviet relations have soured.

Like Tibet, Mongolia was part of the many territories incorporated into China by the Manchurians back in the 1600s and 1700s, although these have a stronger sense of nationhood. Unlike Tibet where the integration had been nominal at best, Inner Mongolia which has many times the population of Mongolia, is far more integrated into China and home to some of PRC's key industries and militaries (as that has been traditionally key to Beijing's defense). Outer Mongolia is the traditional Mongolian homeland, but they are closely in touch with their Inner Mongolian brethrens. On one hand, they are worried about the incursions and domination of the Chinese. On the other, economic integration with China is in the best interest of their economic future.

[Flamming_Python]

Considering the fact that Russia is practically main energy (or will be pretty soon) resources supplier for Europe I'm guessing that Russia eventually will be defended by some European forces as well May be even by NATO as Russia'd enter to the pact.

roflrofl

I think we are doing fine without the mighty forces of Poland, Spain and Romania p-)

Besides, if such an agreement is ever put into practice, rest assured that the Europeans would have their own demand for their services, such as cheap resources, oil, gas, etc... no thanks, we would rather make some money off Europe than get colonized.

I don't see why Russian-Chinese relations have to be so bad. So far; the relationship is very beneficial; we have the resources, they have the money to pay for it. This goes for Iron, Zinc, Bauxite, Steel, Palladium, Nickel, Cobalt, Wheat, Rye, Barley, Oil, Petroleum, Gas, Electrical Energy, Water, etc...

Here's to Russo-Chinese friendship: :D

http://suomenkuvalehti.fi/kuvat/2009/05/06/russia-victory-day-anniversary

http://suomenkuvalehti.fi/s/mediagallery/2009/5/6/145227/wq06151xw.jpg



Russia Victory Day Anniversary

A Russian World War II veteran and a Chinese businessman drink a toast to mark the upcoming Victory Day, in a Chinese restaurant in Vladivostok, Russia’s Far Eastern port about 9,300 kilometers (some 5,750 miles) east of Moscow, Wednesday, May 6, 2009. Chinese businessmen invited Russian World War II veterans to celebrate the anniversary of the World War II victory in a Chinese restaurant. Russia celebrates the anniversary of the allied victory over Nazi Germany on May 9.

[Kadrun]

there are more mogolians living in inner mongolia of pr china than in the republic of mongolia!

return inner mongolia back to mongolia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[USMCRTop]

Robert D. Kaplan in his book "Imperial grunts" has a whole chapter on a US Army Liaison team in Mongolia- his basic point is that China is creeping forward on taking over Mongolia, similar to taking over Tibet

[Karaahmetoglu]

Shuimo, or what ever you name is Mongolians do not want this, and there life will not get any better if they do get into China. China should not look at expanded it's territory but rather keeping it all together, while economic prosperity peaked the idea of seperation is still strong towards the east.

[Laworkerbee]

I'll be glad to help double the population of Russia and create a Strong Army

Where do I sign up for some Nashi girls? woot

[Switek]

I'll be glad to help double the population of Russia and create a Strong Army


Where do I sign up for some Nashi girls? woot


Seems you both watched too many sites for adults... ;) Well I could help anyway.

[Karaahmetoglu]

I'll be glad to help double the population of Russia and create a Strong Army


Where do I sign up for some Nashi girls? woot


Seems you both watched too many sites for adults... ;) Well I could help anyway.

Sign me up as well.

[TR1]

LA is fine by me, Switek you can come only when you get back to me on the 70% comment. You know the one.

[Laworkerbee]

LA is fine by me, Switek you can come only when you get back to me on the 70% comment. You know the one.

Let's worry about the Potato later :)

Nashi here I come!

[Henry's Fork]

No wonder a bunch of recent immigrated Mongolians here in California go to all the Tibet freedom marches and talks to bond with all the Tibetan refugees. They know they are next on the list to be raped and pillaged by the Chicoms.

Silly Chicoms trixs are for kids.

[Ordie]

We got Ordie, I think we will survive.

Minimum of three girls at a time.

Soon they will say, scratch a Russian, and you'll find an annoying smart ass Ordie.

[Laworkerbee]

Minimum of three girls at a time.

Soon they will say, scratch a Russian, and you'll find an annoying smart ass Ordie.

Haha, nice one buddy.

[Flamming_Python]

LA is fine by me, Switek you can come only when you get back to me on the 70% comment. You know the one.

roflrofl

Good one!

[Eknytz]

Correct me if i'm wrong but I don't remember mongolia ever being part of china.

[Ordie]

Correct me if i'm wrong but I don't remember mongolia ever being part of china.

During the Qing Dynasty, Mongolia was a part of China. During the early 1900's some crazy White Russian started a rebellion that ousted the Chinese. He was later executed by the Red Russians and Mongolia became a Soviet buffer client state in the 1920 until the end of he Cold War.

The KMT has never recognized Mongolian soverignty, however the CCP, being fellow Commies, recognized Mongolian independence.

They don't recognize Tibetian independence based on historical grounds yet are willing to recognize Mongolian independence........Go figure?

[Shuimo]

During the Qing Dynasty, Mongolia was a part of China. During the early 1900's some crazy White Russian started a rebellion that ousted the Chinese. He was later executed by the Red Russians and Mongolia became a Soviet buffer client state in the 1920 until the end of he Cold War.

The KMT has never recognized Mongolian soverignty, however the CCP, being fellow Commies, recognized Mongolian independence.

They don't recognize Tibetian independence based on historical grounds yet are willing to recognize Mongolian independence........Go figure?
That is true!
Russia is the only country that has plundered lands (over 1.5 million square kilometers) from China in Chinese history, not to say that Russia also masterminded the independence of Mongolia.

We Chinese know that too well and will never forget that!rofl

The Russians have to go back to their old Eurpopean lands!

[Shuimo]

CPC is at heart a coward party!
I appreciate ROC's stance!

[Ordie]

That is true!
Russia is the only country that has plundered lands (over 1.5 million square kilometers) from China in Chinese history, not to say that Russia also masterminded the independence of Mongolia.

We Chinese know that too well and will never forget that!rofl

The Russians have to go back to their old Eurpopean lands!

You're acting as a whiny victim.

As per the Chinese atlas that I purchased in Beijing, the PRC recognizes the indpendent soveriegnty and existing borders of Mongolia and Russia as status quo.

Is it not the long term policy of the PRC not to interfere with the domestic and international matters of another soveriegn state?

Why do you challenge that policy and betray your country?

[ase290406]

You should shove any plans to take Mongolia or Siberia somewhere deep in an archive under Beijing. Unless you want some Russo-American alliance against you. And believe me Washington would love nothing more.

First taking out China than a weakened Russia from a recent war on it's soil... If I were a mainland Chinese I wouldn't want this at all. If I were a ROC citizen I would pray for it obviously. But I'm not. If America prevails I don't think anything too bad will happen to us in Israel. So.. good luck in Mongolia!

[LaoSexMachine]

Hell. Why not try to take Vietnam back too?

[Shuimo]

You're acting as a whiny victim.

As per the Chinese atlas that I purchased in Beijing, the PRC recognizes the indpendent soveriegnty and existing borders of Mongolia and Russia as status quo.

Is it not the long term policy of the PRC not to interfere with the domestic and international matters of another soveriegn state?

Why do you challenge that policy and betray your country?

Not every foreign policy of the CPC concurs with the will of the masses, Ordie!:bash:

[TR1]

That is true!
Russia is the only country that has plundered lands (over 1.5 million square kilometers) from China in Chinese history, not to say that Russia also masterminded the independence of Mongolia.

We Chinese know that too well and will never forget that!rofl

The Russians have to go back to their old Eurpopean lands!
Yeah, good luck getting the Russians out of there. You chiccombots can freak all you want, the Russian and Chinese governments solved their border problems many years ago. And that is final.


Also dont forget who took the Japanese yoke off you.

[Jiggy]

The Russians have to go back to their old Eurpopean lands!

well, they aren't going to leave.

but if they ever allied with Europe that will spell doom for china.

[Shuimo]

Yeah, good luck getting the Russians out of there. You chiccombots can freak all you want, the Russian and Chinese governments solved their border problems many years ago. And that is final.


Also dont forget who took the Japanese yoke off you.

Don't forget who took the four islands off the Japanese!rofl

[TR1]

A chinese lecturing someone else on land grabs, isnt that funny.

[seruriermarshal]

So Mongoilia is a part of China ?

[Shuimo]

So Mongoilia is a part of China ?
Yes, it should be part of China!rofl

[TR1]

Why? Because of historical precedent? Well Japan had China (most of the important cities at least) at one point, guess we should hand it back :(.

[Shuimo]

Why? Because of historical precedent? Well Japan had China (most of the important cities at least) at one point, guess we should hand it back :(.
Yes!
For Japan, that is complete invasion!rofl

[Vityaz]

I think China should return to Mongolia since China has always been part of Mongolia since the Yuan dynasty, just like Tibet was to China. Then Russia should return to Mongolia as they're part of it as well, then I can pick up some Russian chicks since we're all Mongolians :)

And this frazy cucker will run the whole show.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/RusskiyVityaz/649dda23.jpg

[LazerLordz]

Not every foreign policy of the CPC concurs with the will of the masses, Ordie!:bash:

The will of your masses end where the will of other masses meet. rofl

[Karaahmetoglu]

I wish Erdene (our Mongolian member), would come on and say.

"ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ"

"Come and Get it."

That would be so epic.

[Vityaz]

I wish Erdene (our Mongolian member), would come on and say.

"ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ"

"Come and Get it."

That would be so epic.
Awesome. Now how to say that in Mongol? I only know one phrase in Kalmyk:
Бийин үнр биид медгддг уга - You can't smell yourself.
That doesn't have nearly the badass effect.

[Karaahmetoglu]

Awesome. Now how to say that in Mongol? I only know one phrase in Kalmyk:
Бийин үнр биид медгддг уга - You can't smell yourself.
That doesn't have nearly the badass effect.


Adaghla ab
from online translator

????

For sure wrong though because Mongolian is an accumulative language.
Dang I wish there was a quick learning software for that, it is a very close language to Turkish so learning it would not be very difficult.

[Karaahmetoglu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhEKn5qc9l8

Favorite Episode.

[Vityaz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhEKn5qc9l8

Favorite Episode.
Was waiting for this. Otherwise I would have posted it myself.

[Karaahmetoglu]

Was waiting for this. Otherwise I would have posted it myself.


Lets find the whole episode though it's somewhere in the interwebz.

[Karaahmetoglu]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i294/Enedre/fixed7.jpg

I heard they got there NVG's from Turkey somewhere.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i294/Enedre/MGL%20Army/CIMG2775.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/dailypix/militarypix/fresh/more/more/even%20more/more/061208-F-7426P-247.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/dailypix/militarypix/fresh/more/more/even%20more/more/061208-F-7426P-264.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/dailypix/militarypix/fresh/more/more/even%20more/more/061208-F-7426P-268.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/dailypix/militarypix/fresh/more/more/even%20more/more/061208-F-7426P-184.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/dailypix/militarypix/fresh/more/more/even%20more/more/061208-F-7426P-162.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/dailypix/militarypix/fresh/more/more/even%20more/more/061208-F-7426P-126.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/dailypix/militarypix/fresh/more/more/even%20more/more/061208-F-7426P-086.jpg


Might be a small army, but still a great force!

From the Mongolian Armed Forces Pictures Thread.

[Vityaz]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/dailypix/militarypix/fresh/more/more/even%20more/more/061208-F-7426P-086.jpg


Might be a small army, but still a great force!

From the Mongolian Armed Forces Pictures Thread.
MONGOLS STRONG!!!111one

[Adux]

So What are the Chinese trying to do, make all the people of the mongolid features under one banner, if so who gave them divine right to lead such an association..., Mongolians and Japanese owned China for sometime, maybe they should be enslaved by both of them..lol, beats this constant crying for attention.

[Karaahmetoglu]

MONGOLS STRONG!!!111one


Agreed!!!

MONGOLS STRONG !!!11!!!!11!!11!!

Mongols don't watch RAMBO. Every Single Mongol is RAMBO!

[Karaahmetoglu]

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn308/Kypchakturk/chuck-norris-400ds06201-2.jpg

[Vityaz]

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn308/Kypchakturk/chuck-norris-400ds06201-2.jpg
OH SHI-

Well, since this topic has gone far askew anyway, I'm gonna post some kickass Mongol music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6M6icVHZsM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBNqY5pBU-4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5MYjEbBJEQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNBgBCqrQrc&feature=related

[hskywalker]

Hell. Why not try to take Vietnam back too?
We will take vietnam after mongolia.

[Solvent]

So What are the Chinese trying to do, make all the people of the mongolid features under one banner, if so who gave them divine right to lead such an association..., Mongolians and Japanese owned China for sometime, maybe they should be enslaved by both of them..lol, beats this constant crying for attention.

Maybe, you are the one should cut the crap.
OMG, I forgot to mention India Strong!!!!!1111. I am so sorry.

[Jiggy]

^ uhh, what ?

lol.

[Ordie]

Kick ass movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BfPgF4DF-Q&feature=related

[Solvent]

Kick ass movie


Interesting movie, wonder where I can watch it.:roll:

[Adux]

Maybe, you are the one should cut the crap.
OMG, I forgot to mention India Strong!!!!!1111. I am so sorry.


Another little CCP Bot!rofl

[TheMiddlePath]

PRC already recognised Mongoilia and the borders are already cast in stone. So stop all this nonsence.

Only Taiwan say Mongolia is part of Taiwan (ROC).......someday.

http://i42.tinypic.com/ra9sth.jpg

[seruriermarshal]

We will take vietnam after mongolia.

wow , next is India or Japan ?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/images/smilies/icon_rofl.gif

[Solvent]

Another little CCP Bot!rofl

So anyone disagrees you is a bot. Nice going. I know you are the one always makes flame posts and got suspended several times. I am not going to bite it. See ya.

[Flamming_Python]

A war between China and Russia is unlikely; if for no other reason than the fact that Russia has historically always been weak and succumbed to attacks from the East, and China has historically always been weak and succumbed to attacks from the North. I doubt that either country is keen to start a war in their respective strategic rear.


That is true!
Russia is the only country that has plundered lands (over 1.5 million square kilometers) from China in Chinese history, not to say that Russia also masterminded the independence of Mongolia.

We Chinese know that too well and will never forget that!rofl

The Russians have to go back to their old Eurpopean lands!

Go screw yourself - you want the land, come, try to take it and get crushed if that's what you wish.

Otherwise shutup and let normal Russians and Chinese live in peace and harmony.

[Shuimo]

A war between China and Russia is unlikely; if for no other reason than the fact that Russia has historically always been weak and succumbed to attacks from the East, and China has historically always been weak and succumbed to attacks from the North. I doubt that either country is keen to start a war in their respective strategic rear.



Go screw yourself - you want the land, come, try to take it and get crushed if that's what you wish.

Otherwise shutup and let normal Russians and Chinese live in peace and harmony.

The Russian bear to match with the Chinese dragon these days?

USSR collapsed overnight.
Russia would be no exception!

[zg18]

The Russian bear to match with the Chinese dragon these days?

USSR collapsed overnight.
Russia would be no exception!

Russia is not USSR and no , USSR didn't collapse overnight.

[Mikhael]

The Russian bear to match with the Chinese dragon these days?

USSR collapsed overnight.
Russia would be no exception!

You are a really funny guy ( in a bad way). Stop living in your fantasy world my nationalistic friend.

[jimmy_L]

I think China should return to Mongolia since China has always been part of Mongolia since the Yuan dynasty, just like Tibet was to China. Then Russia should return to Mongolia as they're part of it as well, then I can pick up some Russian chicks since we're all Mongolians :)

don't you think entire europe should also return to German? or if u wanna have such school of thought, Genkhis Khan once conquered most part of europe, then should China be thinking of owning them back someday?

U are such a ...XXX tsk tsk tsk

[zg18]

OK let us talk hypothetically , if Russia becomes so weak that Chinese army simply walk over Siberia and Russian Far East without nuclear confrontation (which will of course happen in reality) and China acquires vast resources much needed for China to become true world superpower in future , let us imagine what consequences would be , Russia is reduced to European part and ceases to be a world power and Chinese expansionism to Siberia and Central Asia would ignite world wide response , it's neighbourhood would unite in fear (Japan,Taiwan,India ,Indonesia,South Korea, Vietnam etc.) of it under US umbrella , China can almost easily found itself surrounded with no near power and possibilities of former Soviet Union ,so in reality Beijing elites know , China is strong and it will be stronger but possibly not ever strong to replace position USSR had against America.

[Karaahmetoglu]

The Russian bear to match with the Chinese dragon these days?

USSR collapsed overnight.
Russia would be no exception!


Can you please do us all a favor, you and Hskywalker just stop posting?

It would be a great gift. BTW Russia Vs China would be a very bad outcome for China. You do know that in your country there are people trying to seperate? They are heavily armed as well. So before you try to make more land grabs try to keep everything together. Or else one night your fate will be the same as the not the USSR, but rather Yugoslavia.

[jimmy_L]

Just have every single person in china contribute RMB$1 it will be enough to buy peace and prosperity with Russia, why ever the talks of Russian fighting chinese etc? they are ex-commies

Oh. BTW, was visiting somewhere in China, was told one of the bridges spanning across a great river in china designed and build halfway in the 60s or 70s, the Russian somehow walked out of China project with their blue prints due to some border conflicts, the Chinese eventually completed the bridge themselves and till today standing strong.

Chinese never depended on any more land, for thousands of yrs, the chinese have been confining themselves within their own terrority. Only stupid anti-chinese minded pple like to think of Chinese as expansionist.

If Chinese had been expansionist minded, they would have taken the entire SEA long time back since Zheng Ho days.

U people are so ignorant about the chinese and their culture and yet want to blabber and fantasise the chinese as conquerors.

Stupid...utterly stupid

[zg18]

Just have every single person in china contribute RMB$1 it will be enough to buy peace and prosperity with Russia, why ever the talks of Russian fighting chinese etc? they are ex-commies

Oh. BTW, was visiting somewhere in China, was told one of the bridges spanning across a great river in china designed and build halfway in the 60s or 70s, the Russian somehow walked out of China project with their blue prints due to some border conflicts, the Chinese eventually completed the bridge themselves and till today standing strong.

Chinese never depended on any more land, for thousands of yrs, the chinese have been confining themselves within their own terrority. Only stupid anti-chinese minded pple like to think of Chinese as expansionist.

If Chinese had been expansionist minded, they would have taken the entire SEA long time back since Zheng Ho days.

U people are so ignorant about the chinese and their culture and yet want to blabber and fantasise the chinese as conquerors.

Stupid...utterly stupid

X2 I admire Chinese history because of it's unique position.

[dragonunion]

Just have every single person in china contribute RMB$1 it will be enough to buy peace and prosperity with Russia, why ever the talks of Russian fighting chinese etc? they are ex-commies

Oh. BTW, was visiting somewhere in China, was told one of the bridges spanning across a great river in china designed and build halfway in the 60s or 70s, the Russian somehow walked out of China project with their blue prints due to some border conflicts, the Chinese eventually completed the bridge themselves and till today standing strong.

Chinese never depended on any more land, for thousands of yrs, the chinese have been confining themselves within their own terrority. Only stupid anti-chinese minded pple like to think of Chinese as expansionist.

If Chinese had been expansionist minded, they would have taken the entire SEA long time back since Zheng Ho days.

U people are so ignorant about the chinese and their culture and yet want to blabber and fantasise the chinese as conquerors.

Stupid...utterly stupid
Oh yeah, so what the **** was 1000 years of Vietnamese under Chinese brutal control? Even after they regained their independent, Chinese still attacked many times to count. The last time wasn't so long ago, just 30 years ago, in case you pretended I am innocent. And not Vietnamese only, many other ethnics also suffer under Chinese control.

[jimmy_L]

Oh yeah, so what the **** was 1000 years of Vietnamese under Chinese brutal control? Even after they regained their independent, Chinese still attacked many times to count. The last time wasn't so long ago, just 30 years ago, in case you pretended I am innocent. And not Vietnamese only, many other ethnics also suffer under Chinese control.

Hey U wanna trace who stired who into conflict thousands of years back, think thats impossible to know.

We do know for a fact, vietnamese do have their own local kingdom or dynasty established. China for many part of the past thousands yrs were never in a single order. It could be the southerners warlords stirring problems with the viets. As far as history is documented. Chinese empires have not wanted to take viets land but wanted their country to provide offerings to them. Of coz in our view now that is bullying, at some point in time they will rebel so the empire use attacks as a means of teaching them a lesson.

Now I am not saying those acts are right, but whats in the past is past. No point stirring those stupid sentiments.

and for a fact that the Qin empire and onwards dynasty have such vast military prowess, conquering viet was never a problem. If they had wanted, viet and korean are considered china today. So wake up

[Shuimo]

Can you please do us all a favor, you and Hskywalker just stop posting?

It would be a great gift. BTW Russia Vs China would be a very bad outcome for China. You do know that in your country there are people trying to seperate? They are heavily armed as well. So before you try to make more land grabs try to keep everything together. Or else one night your fate will be the same as the not the USSR, but rather Yugoslavia.


Who do you think you r?

[Soldat_Américain]

Already an epic thread...when is the US buying Mexico...on a serious note...Isn't Mongolia just wind swept steppes with not much there, which is why the population is so small correct?


A war between China and Russia is unlikely.



They're remaking Red Dawn.

[Karaahmetoglu]

Who do you think you r?


I am your worst nightmare.

[Shuimo]

Oh yeah, so what the **** was 1000 years of Vietnamese under Chinese brutal control? Even after they regained their independent, Chinese still attacked many times to count. The last time wasn't so long ago, just 30 years ago, in case you pretended I am innocent. And not Vietnamese only, many other ethnics also suffer under Chinese control.

Vietnam the invader pretending to be the victim?
That is a big joke!rofl

[Shuimo]

Someone who's not Chinese.

so what?rofl

[Karaahmetoglu]

so what?rofl

What would you think of lets say instead Russia try's to take parts of China away? HMM?

BTW like I said before you try to take pieces away from other countries, look at your self and try to keep it all together.

[Shuimo]

Already an epic thread...when is the US buying Mexico...on a serious note...Isn't Mongolia just wind swept steppes with not much there, which is why the population is so small correct?


They're remaking Red Dawn.

That is true!

The country is terribly poor and is now begging China for financial help!rofl

[Shuimo]

What would you think of lets say instead Russia try's to take parts of China away? HMM?

BTW like I said before you try to take pieces away from other countries, look at your self and try to keep it all together.
The robber has to to give back what it has robbed!
Is it a difficult conception for you?rofl

[tercio67]

The robber has to to give back what it has robbed!
Is it a difficult conception for you?rofl

Tibet.....?

[Karaahmetoglu]

The robber has to to give back what it has robbed!
Is it a difficult conception for you?rofl

It is a difficult concept for me to grasp when a Chinese guy tells me it.

If you want Russia to give it's own pieces. Then give East Turkestan, Tibet, and Inner Mongolia back to who you stole it from.

[Shuimo]

It is a diffcult concept for me to grasp when a Chinese guy tells me it.

If you want Russia to give it's own pieces. Then give East Turkestan, Tibet, and Inner Mongolia back to who you stole it from.


Such places have always been part of China!

Yet the Russians even have plundered Japanese islands!rofl

[dragonunion]

Hey U wanna trace who stired who into conflict thousands of years back, think thats impossible to know.

We do know for a fact, vietnamese do have their own local kingdom or dynasty established. China for many part of the past thousands yrs were never in a single order. It could be the southerners warlords stirring problems with the viets. As far as history is documented. Chinese empires have not wanted to take viets land but wanted their country to provide offerings to them. Of coz in our view now that is bullying, at some point in time they will rebel so the empire use attacks as a means of teaching them a lesson.

Now I am not saying those acts are right, but whats in the past is past. No point stirring those stupid sentiments.

and for a fact that the Qin empire and onwards dynasty have such vast military prowess, conquering viet was never a problem. If they had wanted, viet and korean are considered china today. So wake up
Only want offering? let me tell you in the last 1000 years, Chinese in many dynasties had attacked VN at least 3 times. All happened when Vn in weak situation, as leader changing, civil war... 2 times they succeded. And to stop VNese from regained independent again, Chinese used many brutal ways to kill anyone who thought about it. All of these things had been recorded, find and you will find some goods sources talk about what they did. Well, they weren't in control for long. They were kicked out of Vn again and again. Talking about the past, as a Vietnamese, I must say we usually don't hate somebody for too long. As American, in the war time, they are enemy. Now they are friend. But Chinese, forgive me to say, not many Vietnamese like them. With their attitude like now, it will continue for a long time to come. To big nations like America, Russia or Japan, they maybe still try to pretend " I am a good guy", but to neighboring small nations like us, "what we want is your command". Simple as that.

[Karaahmetoglu]

Such places have always been part of China!

Yet the Russians even have plundered Japanese islands!rofl

Yeah just like Canada has always been under the Canadians.

And yeah of East Turkestan has always been part of China why do you guys call it the New Frontier?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Asia_1200ad.jpg

[dragonunion]

Vietnam the invader pretending to be the victim?
That is a big joke!rofl
When did we invade you? tell me at least one time to enlight me. Please.

You Chinese suck. :cantbeli::cantbeli:

[Shuimo]

Yeah just like Canada has always been under the Canadians.

And yeah of East Turkestan has always been part of China why do you guys call it the New Frontier?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Asia_1200ad.jpg


r maps the only stuff you can come up ??
WE call America Meiguo,a beautiful country.

Then America is all of sudden beautiful? Absurd logic!:bash:

[Shuimo]

When did we invade you? tell me at least one time to enlight me. Please.

You Chinese suck. :cantbeli::cantbeli:


Isn't it funny the vietnamese tried the best to rid of charaacters in their language?rofl

[Karaahmetoglu]

r maps the only stuff you can come up ??
WE call America Meiguo,a beautiful country.

Then America is all of sudden beautiful? Absurd logic!:bash:


Probably why you guys come here in hundreds of thousands. As refugees.

[Solvent]

That is true!

The country is terribly poor and is now begging China for financial help!rofl

Please stop, that is enough. You get better things to do other than bashing other countries.

[acosta]

i can't find the united states in your map...


Yeah just like Canada has always been under the Canadians.

And yeah of East Turkestan has always been part of China why do you guys call it the New Frontier?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Asia_1200ad.jpg

[Shuimo]

Probably why you guys come here in hundreds of thousands. As refugees.

I presume you to be a woman？

Chinese coming to America then become refugees？

This is no rocket science stuff!rofl

[Soldat_Américain]

Such places have always been part of China!

Yet the Russians even have plundered Japanese islands!rofl

Tibet...since when was Tibet a part of China? And it's an autonomous region for a lot reasons...But the Dalai Lama still remains in exile, so that tells you what the cultural leader of the Tibetan People is telling you.

[Shuimo]

Tibet...since when was Tibet a part of China? And it's an autonomous region for a lot reasons...But the Dalai Lama still remains in exile, so that tells you what the cultural leader of the Region is telling you.
Tibet being part of China even belittles the entire born days of the USA!

Does that surprise you?:bash:

[Karaahmetoglu]

I presume you to be a woman？

Chinese coming to America then become refugees？

This is no rocket science stuff!rofl

I am not the person in my avatar. She is a famous Volga Tatar singer. But even if I was what does that mean?

I am not even going to respond to your comment, I know a lot of Chinese people who come to North America, and get offended if you call them Chinese. Some of them pretend to be Japanese or Korean, or even Vietnamese.

[Shuimo]

I am not the person in my avatar. She is a famous Volga Tatar singer. But even if I was what does that mean?

I am not even going to respond to your comment, I know a lot of Chinese people who come to North America, and get offended if you call them Chinese. Some of them pretend to be Japanese or Korean, or even Vietnamese.
Billlions more feel proud to be Chinese!rofl

[acosta]

Dalai Lama says Tibet is part of China and not an independent state. and he repeated his position" hundreds, thousands times", are you his secratary, have the newest press release?

http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/08/03/21/10199147.html

Dalai Lama not seeking independence for Tibet

Dharmsala: The Dalai Lama has vowed he is not seeking independence for Tibet, and that he is willing to meet with Chinese leaders including President Hu Jintao, in an attempt ease tension between the two sides.

Chinese officials said they would talk with the Dalai Lama if he "stopped separatist activities" and recognised Tibet and Taiwan as parts of China.

The Dalai Lama has long maintained that independence was not his aim.

"The whole world knows Dalai Lama is not seeking independence, one hundred times, thousand times I have
repeated this. It is my mantra , we are not seeking independence," he told reporters in Dharmsala, the seat of
Tibet's government-in-exile.


Tibet...since when was Tibet a part of China? And it's an autonomous region for a lot reasons...But the Dalai Lama still remains in exile, so that tells you what the cultural leader of the Tibetan People is telling you.

[Karaahmetoglu]

Billlions more feel proud to be Chinese!rofl

Till they get out.

Now can you answer my question about, why if I was female what difference would it make in this discussion?

[dragonunion]

Because of there are too many ****ers like Shuimo in China, we, Vietnamese, don't like them for the past thousand years and it will continue for years to come.

[Soldat_Américain]

Tibet being part of China even belittles the entire born days of the USA!

Does that surprise you?:bash:

I think I understand what you're trying to say but the phrase has me all confused. Saying something that Tibet was a part of China before the US was even a thought. What I'm saying is that Tibet was not culturally part of China when the PLA invaded in 1950.

[Shuimo]

Till they get out.

Now can you answer my question about, why if I was female what difference would it make in this discussion?


Shuimo seldom believes in the poltical vision of females!rofl

I put you in the questionable category!

[Shuimo]

Because of there are too many ****ers like Shuimo in China, we, Vietnamese, don't like them for the past thousand years and it will continue for years to come.

it should be no shame to admit to the outside world that Vietnam was under the rule of Chinarofl

[tercio67]

@Shuimo
So apart from being a racist you are also a sexist.
Is this because you are verry 'small' and laughed at a lot by women?
Or is it that you have a inferiority complex in general?

[Soldat_Américain]

Shuimo seldom believes in the poltical vision of females!rofl

I put you in the questionable category!
He admits being sexist...Oh and he talks about himself in the third person...who are you Bob Dole...no offense to the hero that Bob Dole is.

[Shuimo]

I think I understand what you're trying to say but the phrase has me all confused. Saying something that Tibet was a part of China before the US was even a thought. What I'm saying is that Tibet was not culturally part of China when the PLA invaded in 1950.

Mind you: China has 55 ethnic minority groups！
By yr logic, you expect to see 55 more countries in the world?rofl

[Shuimo]

He admits being sexist...Oh and he talks about himself in the third person...who are you Bob Dole...no offense to the hero that Bob Dole is.
Stop playing the sexist card!
Did you vote for hilary if you r american?rofl

[acosta]

that's way they hate chinese, a hatrad for many thousand years.

and remember they used to hate americans, for vietnam war...

they just hate...


it should be no shame to admit to the outside world that Vietnam was under the rule of Chinarofl

[Soldat_Américain]

Mind you: China has 55 ethnic minority groups！
By yr logic, you expect to see 55 more countries in the world?rofl

Actually I don't...and don't even try to say I'm being a hypocrite, stop laughing because it seems you must be one of the Party types.


Stop playing the sexist card!
Did you vote for hilary if you r american?rofl
What would you do if I did, make smoke signals, I voted for what everyone seems to like calling either the Messiah or shout out his Middle name which makes no sense.

[Shuimo]

@Shuimo
So apart from being a racist you are also a sexist.
Is this because you are verry 'small' and laughed at a lot by women?
Or is it that you have a inferiority complex in general?

Shuimo is even admired by men!rofl

[tercio67]

Shuimo is even admired by men!rofl

So that would mean that you are a racist, sexist homo******.
Greatly admired by your peers for your accepting nature.

[Shuimo]

So that would mean that you are a racist, sexist homo******.
Greatly admired by your peers for your accepting nature.


Feel jealousy of Shuimo's charm?rofl

[dragonunion]

that's way they hate chinese, a hatrad for many thousand years.

and remember they used to hate americans, for vietnam war...

they just hate...
In the time of VN war, we, Vietnamese, hate American. Yes. But now, they are our friend. Even the veterans from the war time don't keep their hate for US. I talked with many of them, and they all said if people come to us with good will, we will treat them like old good friends. But Chinese, sorry, it is another story. Why? Because through out our history, Chinese never come to us with good will.

[tercio67]

Feel jealousy of Shuimo's charm?rofl

With true cincerity I can say "not in the least".

[Shuimo]

Actually I don't...and don't even try to say I'm being a hypocrite, stop laughing because it seems you must be one of the Party types.


What would you do if I did, make smoke signals, I voted for what everyone seems to like calling either the Messiah or shout out his Middle name which makes no sense.


Should we say most Americans are sexists?rofl

[Shuimo]

In the time of VN war, we, Vietnamese, hate American. Yes. But now, they are our friend. Even the veterans from the war time don't keep their hate for US. I talked with many of them, and they all said if people come to us with good will, we will treat them like old good friends. But Chinese, sorry, it is another story. Why? Because through out our history, Chinese never come to us with good will.

Beggar can never be choosers!
Frigile VN, thine name is woman!rofl

[IranianMob]

if china takes mongolia what are the odds of a full blown sino-russo war?

[Shuimo]

if china takes mongolia what are the odds of a full blown sino-russo war?

Perhaps the Chinese should seize the opportunity to take back Siberia by the way!rofl

[Soldat_Américain]

Should we say most Americans are sexists?rofl
everyone's a sexist and a racist...it's the truth, you on the other hand don't keep your sexist and racist opinions to yourself.

[Laworkerbee]

In the time of VN war, we, Vietnamese, hate American. Yes. But now, they are our friend. Even the veterans from the war time don't keep their hate for US. I talked with many of them, and they all said if people come to us with good will, we will treat them like old good friends. But Chinese, sorry, it is another story. Why? Because through out our history, Chinese never come to us with good will.

Good to see how time heals wounds, Americans have no animosity towards the Vietnamese people either...in fact most Americans I know want to travel there as tourists.

[Mikhael]

Chinese government need to fire shuimo from his work he only make chinese people look bad.

Ah and shuimo stop using in every post the " rofl " emoticon it makes your posts MORE annoying p-)

[dragonunion]

Good to see how time heals wounds, Americans have no animosity towards the Vietnamese people either...in fact most Americans I know want to travel there as tourists.
Glad to hear that my friend. :hug:

[acosta]

i have a point.

russia is a country with vast land, no natural defence barria. the survival rule is simple, keep strong enough.

monglia, if snached by china, will be a real headache for moscow. the great russia empair will never live any longer.


if china takes mongolia what are the odds of a full blown sino-russo war?

[Shuimo]

everyone's a sexist and a racist...it's the truth, you on the other hand don't keep your sexist and racist opinions to yourself.

I appreciate yr ugly truth!
Truth is ugly, ugly is truth!
The earth remains what it is, either at pitch black night or in broad daylight!
Cheers!rofl

[Laworkerbee]

Glad to hear that my friend. :hug:

Slowly but surely every city in America is having a Vietnamese restaurant. I had some really good Banh Hoi at a place called Lemon Grass last night woot

[acosta]

i love vietnamese food too!:backhand:


Slowly but surely every city in America is having a Vietnamese restaurant. I had some really good Banh Hoi at a place called Lemon Grass last night woot

[Shuimo]

Chinese government need to fire shuimo from his work he only make chinese people look bad.

Ah and shuimo stop using in every post the " rofl " emoticon it makes your posts MORE annoying p-)

Is Shuimo paid by the CPC　ｇｏｖ？
Ｏｆ　ｃｏｕｒｓｅ　ｎｏｔ！rofl

[IranianMob]

Perhaps the Chinese should seize the opportunity to take back Siberia by the way!rofl

I would like to see either Russian or chinese government removed from the power...world would be a better place without them.
then we can talk about de-nuclearalizing pakistan.

[Flamming_Python]

The Russian bear to match with the Chinese dragon these days?

USSR collapsed overnight.
Russia would be no exception!

You know there was one short guy with a mustache who said something similar about Russia some 70 odd years ago; "Kick the door down, and the whole rotting structure will collapse!". Be careful not to make his mistake :)


Just have every single person in china contribute RMB$1 it will be enough to buy peace and prosperity with Russia, why ever the talks of Russian fighting chinese etc? they are ex-commies

Oh. BTW, was visiting somewhere in China, was told one of the bridges spanning across a great river in china designed and build halfway in the 60s or 70s, the Russian somehow walked out of China project with their blue prints due to some border conflicts, the Chinese eventually completed the bridge themselves and till today standing strong.

Chinese never depended on any more land, for thousands of yrs, the chinese have been confining themselves within their own terrority. Only stupid anti-chinese minded pple like to think of Chinese as expansionist.

If Chinese had been expansionist minded, they would have taken the entire SEA long time back since Zheng Ho days.

U people are so ignorant about the chinese and their culture and yet want to blabber and fantasise the chinese as conquerors.

Stupid...utterly stupid

x2

Russo-Sino relations were excellent in the decades following the Russian revolution and the establishment of the USSR, and again in the decade following WW2 up until the Sino-Soviet split, when both sides fought a common enemy, the USSR liberated Manchuria and granted control over it to Mao's forces, and then the subsequent industrialisation of China that took place with Soviet assitance. 2 of my ancestors both worked in China in the 50's as specialists. Hopefully the current honeymoon can last as well; despite Sinophobic/fearing Russians and overly-nationalist Chinese.

The ROC leader during and after the Russian revolution; Sun Yat-sen very much considered the USSR as a whole new country seperate from the Russian empire which grabbed territory from China in the past century. He strove and succeeded in building excellent ties with the USSR; at the time it was the only European power which treated China with equality, and for the USSR, China was also very important as one of the few states on its borders (the others being Turkey and Iran) not directly or indirectly controlled by Western powers that were hostile to the Bolshevik movement. To some extent; this situation is replicated in the modern era, with both Russia and China fearing Western encroachment and binding together in the face of it. You can read Sun Yat-sen's speech about Pan-Asianism here, where he shares his opinion of the USSR (you have to take into account the popular views and context of the time, which would now seem quite strange for everyone but Shuimo): http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Sun_Yat-sen%27s_speech_on_Pan-Asianism

I also disagree with the notion that China is territorially expansionist. Historically China has often been fragmented and concentrated on trying to unite it's core territories. This is still the case now, with Taiwan. Had China been a genuine expansionist power, it wouldn't have lended support to and supported the sovereignty of socialist movements on its borders in countries such as North Korea and Mongolia. During the Korean War China flooded so many men into the region that it could have conceivably annexed the whole region; but it chose not to and kept its alliance with communist Korea. China's ill-advised invasion of Vietnam, was also meant to 'teach Vietnam a lesson', rather than outright conquer it. And the Chinese claim to have achieved their objective puts further credibility on their stated reason for invasion.

[Blue_0]

Mongoilia.

What lives there, ... the Mongols!

THE MONGOL HORDES!!!

Are you insane?

[acosta]

nobody care this comment?


Khalkha Mongols have never been the true offsprings of great Genghis Khan. They were from from an ancient serbria tribes.

Thanks for the great help from Ordie, former USSA or Russia POPulation got the snack of current land of "Mongolia", and handed it to these khalkhas. while the real offsprings of Genghis Khan lost their homeland and had to live in China. Treated good or bad, they are hoping their can get back their land and have their new nation.

Khalkhas are more russian than mongols, at least in lifestyle. they betrayed Genghis Khan the great's faith.

Study the truth, don't be fooled by some bad guys or media.

[IranianMob]

Mongoilia.

What lives there, ... the Mongols!

THE MONGOL HORDES!!!

Are you insane?
didnt that ended some 700 years ago? mongols may be still living like that but world has moved on...i wonder how many hordes an ICBM can kill. two tents, three tents? ten tents?

[Flamming_Python]

I'll also add that where Russia has the ethnic heritage in common with other Slavic nations, the religious heritage in common with Orthodox countries such as Greece, and historical and social heritage in common with former-USSR states, Russia has the socialist heritage in common with China. The two states operated similarly, had similar programs, means of structuring society, initiatives, mass-housing programs, 5-year plans/industrialization, bureaucracy, communist youth leagues, etc.. The 2 nations borrowed a hell of a lot from each other over the past 50 years; perhaps a couple of magnitudes more than throughout the rest of their history combined. Take a Russian born in the 60's and a Chinaman born in the 60's, and you will find that they have plenty in common with each and a lot to talk about.


nobody care this comment?

That's because it's full of $hit

[Karaahmetoglu]

didnt that ended some 700 years ago? mongols may be still living like that but world has moved on...i wonder how many hordes an ICBM can kill. two tents, three tents? ten tents?


The Mongol hordes also consisted of Turkic peoples.

That adds a couple million tents more.

But seriously today the Mongols will put up a good fight.

[Ordie]

The Mongol hordes also consisted of Turkic peoples.

That adds a couple million tents more.

But seriously today the Mongols will put up a good fight.

They have more operational experience in combat zones than the PLA.

[Kippari]

Is Shuimo paid by the CPC　ｇｏｖ？
Ｏｆ　ｃｏｕｒｓｅ　ｎｏｔ！rofl

You sound like a spoiled brat being paid by your hard working dad to shut the hell up about his businesses and keep partying.

Russia won't Mongolia fall to the Chinese, and if China went up against Russia, it's game over for you. Needless to say, that while the west still holds some animosity towards Russia, it will be seen as the lesser evil, just like in WW2.

[Karaahmetoglu]

They have more operational experience in combat zones than the PLA.

I know they are in Iraq but is there any in Afghanistan?

Plus they are getting a few new armenents.

Galils for there Special Forces, and Ruger pistols for those depolyed over seas.(American given)

[IranianMob]

They have more operational experience in combat zones than the PLA.
when was the last mongols fought a war? or do you count animal hunting experience as a battle?

[Ordie]

Mind you: China has 55 ethnic minority groups！
By yr logic, you expect to see 55 more countries in the world?rofl

How many of the 55 minorities plus women are in the Central Committee?

http://www.bjinvest.gov.cn/english/bn/200710/W020071024359069445013.jpg

[Laworkerbee]

^ They all look alike to me except for perhaps Li Changchun, he is one ugly bastard.

Zhou Yongkang looks like a real hard ass.

[acosta]

what's this $hit, then? watch you mouth, buddy.
I'll also add that where Russia has the ethnic heritage in common with other Slavic nations, the religious heritage in common with Orthodox countries such as Greece, and historical and social heritage in common with former-USSR states, Russia has the socialist heritage in common with China. The two states operated similarly, had similar programs, means of structuring society, initiatives, mass-housing programs, 5-year plans/industrialisation, beurocracy, communist youth leagues, etc.. The 2 nations borrowed a hell of a lot from each other over the past 50 years; more than at any other time throughout history. Take a Russian born in the 60's and a Chinaman born in the 60's, and you will find that they have plenty in common with each and a lot to talk about.



That's because it's full of $hit

[Karaahmetoglu]

when was the last mongols fought a war? or do you count animal hunting experience as a battle?


They are currently in Iraq.

[IranianMob]

How many of the 55 minorities plus women are in the Central Committee?

http://www.bjinvest.gov.cn/english/bn/200710/W020071024359069445013.jpg
OMG! they become even more unrecognizable when wearing glasses...do a Lasic surgery maybe?

[IranianMob]

They are currently in Iraq.
oh really?! how many like 5 or 6?

[Ordie]

when was the last mongols fought a war? or do you count animal hunting experience as a battle?

During the past 10 years, the Mongolian Army has been deployed to Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo and Africa. Like thier distant Gurkha cousins, the Mongols has a reputation for its professionalism and toughness.

Mongol units within the Soviet Red Army led by Zhukov were credited towards the Defeat of the Japanese at the Battle of Khalkhin Gol in 1939. It was a key battle as it forced the Japanese to expand elsewhere and may had set the events towards Pearl Harbor.

[Karaahmetoglu]

During the past 10 years, the Mongolian Army has been deployed to Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo and Africa. Like thier distant Turkic cousins, the Mongols has a reputation for its professionalism and toughness.

Mongol units within the Soviet Red Army led by Zhukov were credited towards the Defeat of the Japanese at the Battle of Khalkhin Gol in 1939.


Fixed it for you.:)

[IranianMob]

During the past 10 years, the Mongolian Army has been deployed to Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo and Africa. Like thier distant Gurkha cousins, the Mongols has a reputation for its professionalism and toughness.

Mongol units within the Soviet Red Army led by Zhukov were credited towards the Defeat of the Japanese at the Battle of Khalkhin Gol in 1939.
common, being deployed dosent mean they saw action...barely a sidekick. and it wasnt their war...i wanna see what they would do defending on their own...china probably brings them down to knees in one hour or so.

[Kippari]

Zhou Yongkang looks like a real hard ass.

He's a former minister of public security of PRC. He really looks like there's a pineapple lodged to his backside. No wonder there was extensive internet censorship programs started under him.:)

[Soldat_Américain]

common, being deployed dosent mean they saw action...barely a sidekick. and it wasnt their war...i wanna see what they would do defending on their own...china probably brings them down to knees in one hour or so.
There's no way they could stand against the PLA, considering you could just do human wave after human wave.

[Switek]

common, being deployed dosent mean they saw action...barely a sidekick. and it wasnt their war...i wanna see what they would do defending on their own...china probably brings them down to knees in one hour or so.

:cantbeli:

May be Chinese can capture Mongolia but I doubt they'd able to conquer it. Mongolians gained their high reputation thanks their courage and sacrifice.

Many Poles owe them their lives.

[Laworkerbee]

There's no way they could stand against the PLA, considering you could just do human wave after human wave.

Human waves didn't work for the Iranians in it's war with Iraq and it didn't work for the ChiComs in the Korean war. Matched against disciplined troops with adequate supplies of ammunition human waves will fail dismally.

[IranianMob]

There's no way they could stand against the PLA, considering you could just do human wave after human wave.
i think its time for them to come up with their own "el che" and fight guerilla style...just too bad there are no bushy forests for them there to hide in.

[IranianMob]

:cantbeli:

May be Chinese can capture Mongolia but I doubt they'd able to conquer it. Mongolians gained their high reputation thanks their courage and sacrifice.

Many Poles owe them their lives.
arent poland and mongolia some 7 million miles apart? and mongolia is lanlocked. how did they helped you?
you are not talkin about a 14 century battle are you?

[acosta]

Khalkha Mongols don't live in caves?

Cat and Mouse games? interesting war. russians must hide in trees.

[tercio67]

i think its time for them to come up with their own "el che" and fight guerilla style...just too bad there are no bushy forests for them there to hide in.

Not very up to date with Mongolian geography are you?
8-10% of Mongolia is alpine forest.

[Soldat_Américain]

Not very up to date with Mongolian geography are you?
8-10% of Mongolia is alpine forest.
Let the guerrilla war begin.

[IranianMob]

Not very up to date with Mongolian geography are you?
8-10% of Mongolia is alpine forest.
oh lol. not really. //good thing about war news - you get to know the world!
but that dosent count. anything but the amazonian style jungles wont do the job. it just dosent feel right, dammit!

[Mikhael]

but that dosent count. anything but the amazonian style jungles wont do the job. it just dosent feel right, dammit!

You know that "your feelings" about guerilla fighting are garbage ?

Stop watching movies about guerilla fighters that in 95% are in jungles and start reading about FACTS.

Look up where Chechens are fighting is it a jungle? No ..

[IranianMob]

You know that "your feelings" about guerilla fighting are garbage ?

Stop watching movies about guerilla fighters that in 95% are in jungles and start reading about FACTS.

Look up where Chechens are fighting is it a jungle? No ..
oh boy...that was obviously a dramatized joke.

[Ordie]

What Mongolia lacks in its armed forces, it tries to make it up diplomatically. The overall goal is to virtually create a third border with an ally. Currently that is NATO and the United States.

I don't think they realistically expect either to jump in to its defense, but to deter agressors of potential international political and economic consequences.

Many Mongolians that I've met are weary of Chinese intentions.

[Jiggy]

OK let us talk hypothetically , if Russia becomes so weak that Chinese army simply walk over Siberia and Russian Far East without nuclear confrontation (which will of course happen in reality) and China acquires vast resources much needed for China to become true world superpower in future , let us imagine what consequences would be , Russia is reduced to European part and ceases to be a world power and Chinese expansionism to Siberia and Central Asia would ignite world wide response , it's neighbourhood would unite in fear (Japan,Taiwan,India ,Indonesia,South Korea, Vietnam etc.) of it under US umbrella , China can almost easily found itself surrounded with no near power and possibilities of former Soviet Union ,so in reality Beijing elites know , China is strong and it will be stronger but possibly not ever strong to replace position USSR had against America.

thats actually quite possible.

[Jiggy]

lol, china has tried expansionism quite a number of times in it's history, they were never truley successful at it because they were constantly fighting amongst one another.

that doesn't mean they aren't territorial expansionists.

whats even more disturbing is what china believes to be it's "own territory".

obviously they think all of asia is theirs, so it's definitly not far fetched.

even if you think thats not their intentions, it's obvious they will try to expand their territory in the future.

hell, alot of their actions and military build up seems to be prepared and focused on those goals.

[Ordie]

Like the Japanese, Chinese expansionism will fail because they are not tolerant of others.

The Roman, Tang, Dutch, Persian, and Mongol, were successful empires because of thier tolerence of different groups, peoples, ideals within thier realm.

If the CCP cannot tolerate its own people, one should not expect them to tolerate others.

[matthew.manhorn]

What Mongolia lacks in its armed forces, it tries to make it up diplomatically. The overall goal is to virtually create a third border with an ally. Currently that is NATO and the United States.

I don't think they realistically expect either to jump in to its defense, but to deter agressors of potential international political and economic consequences.

Many Mongolians that I've met are weary of Chinese intentions.

Mongolians should have nukes.

[Ordie]

Mongolians should have nukes.

Nukes are more of a liability than a benefit.

[Mikhael]

China dont piss off mongolians!! or else ....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhEKn5qc9l8&

[TR1]

That is true!

The country is terribly poor and is now begging China for financial help!rofl
begging.
LOL.rofl

[TR1]

anwyays just stop responding to Shuimo guys. He is clearly some little boy with a Chinese inferiority mentality, and must make up for that by posting horse**** that luckily most of his country would not hear of.

[Ordie]

begging.
LOL.rofl

Mongols would rather live off the land than beg.

[Jiggy]

anwyays just stop responding to Shuimo guys. He is clearly some little boy with a Chinese inferiority mentality, and must make up for that by posting horse**** that luckily most of his country would not hear of.

true, but it wasn't shuimo who wrote that article.

many chinese mainlanders pretty much believe in these things whole heartedly.

some of them even go on to write their own horse****, even end up working for the ccp propaganda party.

[IranianMob]

true, but it wasn't shuimo who wrote that article.

many chinese mainlanders pretty much believe in these things whole heartedly.

some of them even go on to write their own horse****, even end up working for the ccp propaganda party.
do they pay good? i would write propaganda for them if they pay me in dollars!

[Jiggy]

do they pay good? i would write propaganda for them if they pay me in dollars!

5 yuan. ;)

[Vityaz]

During the early 1900's some crazy White Russian started a rebellion that ousted the Chinese.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll156/RusskiyVityaz/649dda23.jpg
This guy. Graf Roman Fyodorovich Ungern von Sternburg. A Baltic German aristocrat in the Russian Imperial Army who was deployed to East Siberia before WWI and became fascinated with the Mongol tribes and their nomadic lifestyle. In the Russian Civil War he was the second in command of a White Cossack general named Semeonov, who was supposed to hold the eastern flank of the White stronghold in Siberia. When Admiral Kolchak's govt fell in Irkutsk, Semeonov declared himself commander of White forces in Siberia, which were limited to Cossacks and indigenous peoples (not mutually exclusive). Sternburg went rogue and led an army of loyal Russian and Buriat Cossacks into Mongolia, whose revolutionary movement was almost victorious in kicking out the Chinese (who by now belonged to the Republic). Sternberg's Cossacks defeated the Mongol rebels and massacred the Chinese garrison in the capital. He then set himself up and planned to raise Mongolia's population into massive hordes to begin an imperial conquest that would unite the entire world over which Sternburg would rule as an Orthodox Khan, combining the imperial legitimacy of both the Byzantine and Mongol traditions. Then the Mongols, led by Damdin Sukhebaator (whose name means Axe-Hero), deposed him and reestablished their independence with the help of the victorious Red Army in Siberia. He was shot soon thereafter and Mongolia went on to become the world's only communist theocratic monarchy from 1921-1924.

So in short, an insane tyrant and a supreme badass.

[zg18]

true, but it wasn't shuimo who wrote that article.

many chinese mainlanders pretty much believe in these things whole heartedly.

some of them even go on to write their own horse****, even end up working for the ccp propaganda party.

Chinese for that matter are not unique anyway , you will always have nationalist-imperialist sentiment in such powers , but luckily for rest of us and Chinese people the policy makers in Beijing are much much smarter than that.

[Ordie]

5 yuan. ;)

Typical Chinese product.
You get what you pay for.
Zero originality and crappy propaganda at best.

To be honest.

The majority of Chinese are too busy trying to make a living than to scheme plans of world domination. Which naturally makes the Mongolians nervous.

From my observation, the Chinese are intensive farmers using every square centimenter of land for growing crops. Given the envronmental conditions and lack of water, the grazing lands of Mongolia are tempting to say the least.

[tercio67]

... From my observation, the Chinese are intensive farmers using every square centimenter of land for growing crops. Given the envronmental conditions and lack of water, the grazing lands of Mongolia are tempting to say the least.

Perhaps not so tempting, Mongolian geography;

Land use: arable land: 0.76%
permanent crops: 0%
other: 99.24% (2005)

[IranianMob]

5 yuan. ;)
and how much is that in dollars? like 2 cents? will they give me a bonus if i marry a chinese girl?
seriously though. 1 outta 7 people in this world is chinese...i think we should show some respect at least to our future chinese descendants whom all are gonna be.

[Mousepad]

Mongols would rather live off the land than beg.

Mongolia by all indicators is quite rich on natural resourses, why they not diggin it out is question tho, maybe coz they donotwant to became an arena of "Who brings more democracy and prosperity". Lukoil and Gazprom tried to poke it's nose around, but were politely GTFO-ed. Just for example, Mongolia is a mecca for paleontologists, and ancient fossils in plenty is a big hint for any oiler.

[Kadrun]

Mongolia is already a warzone of nations of mining and other resources.

[IranianMob]

Oh mongolia: the forgotten land, here we come here we come
i think musicans should be already writing a protest song about the brave hordes.

[Ordie]

Mongolia by all indicators is quite rich on natural resourses, why they not diggin it out is question tho, maybe coz they donotwant to became an arena of "Who brings more democracy and prosperity". Lukoil and Gazprom tried to poke it's nose around, but were politely GTFO-ed. Just for example, Mongolia is a mecca for paleontologists, and ancient fossils in plenty is a big hint for any oiler.

Oil is not a problem.
Distribution of oil is a problem that leads towards economic and political dependency of either Russia or China.

Given past practices of Russians turning off the spigot of Natural Gas to its neighbors as a bargaining point probably makes Mongolia reconsider the option.

China is for the same reason. If the Chinese were to explore oil, they would do it with Chinese labor, which over time become settlers and change reality on the ground towards retrocession.

The best option is to remain modest and free.

[Soldat_Américain]

The State motto of New Hampshire...Live Free or Die

[Ulytau]

Mongolia by all indicators is quite rich on natural resourses, why they not diggin it out is question tho, maybe coz they donotwant to became an arena of "Who brings more democracy and prosperity". Lukoil and Gazprom tried to poke it's nose around, but were politely GTFO-ed. Just for example, Mongolia is a mecca for paleontologists, and ancient fossils in plenty is a big hint for any oiler.

As i know especially last years Turkiye-Mongolia relations are rising too and nice to see Turkish business etc. working there also doing something about relics too.

I hope grandsons of the Ghenkis Khan interest to be more effective they have serious natural sources and mines.

[matthew.manhorn]

Just ban Shuimo's IP...permanently....this guy doesn't represent the majority of Chinese people...

[Mousepad]

The best option is to remain modest and free.

Yes, makes perfect sense, manouver between Russia and China, not the timid guys around, and in case if they somehow unite on the matter, call (800-democracy) 24/7 line. For USA to chalk a base in Russia and China asses = epic win. But for sure, there is gonna be a lot of political and economic dancing around.

[acosta]

so do you represent them?

anyway, people always want to be a fighter, not a coward. duck you head in the sand doesn't stop enemy kick you ass...


Just ban Shuimo's IP...permanently....this guy doesn't represent the majority of Chinese people...

[acosta]

tell you what, for the time being , russia doesn't want mongolia to sell its rich resources, that would post monglia a competitor...not the best interest of russia, looks like america need land a foot...


Oil is not a problem.
Distribution of oil is a problem that leads towards economic and political dependency of either Russia or China.

Given past practices of Russians turning off the spigot of Natural Gas to its neighbors as a bargaining point probably makes Mongolia reconsider the option.

China is for the same reason. If the Chinese were to explore oil, they would do it with Chinese labor, which over time become settlers and change reality on the ground towards retrocession.

The best option is to remain modest and free.

[TR1]

had to do with Mongolia,

Russia to build railroads, develop mineral deposits in Mongolia



MOSCOW. (RIA Novosti economic commentator Oleg Mityayev) - The Russian rail monopoly and its Mongolian partners agreed to set up a joint venture during Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's visit to Mongolia on May 13.
Russian Railways (RZD) has pledged to modernize and build railways in return for development licenses for Mongolia's largest deposits, the Tavan Tolgoi coal deposit and the Oyu Tolgoi gold and copper field.
It has signed an accord with Erdenes MGL, the Mongolian state mining company, and MTZ, the country's national railway company, to set up a joint venture to build railways to the mineral deposits and develop the fields. The Russian company will hold a 50% stake in the $7-billion venture, while the Mongolian partners will each hold 25%.
At the initial stage, they are to contribute $1.8 million for a feasibility study, which is due to be ready by September. The JV will receive development licenses for the deposits in 2010.
Erdenes MGL owns all strategic deposits in Mongolia, including the Oyu Tolgoi (Turquoise Hill) gold and copper project, the Tavan Tolgoi coal deposit, and the Dornod uranium deposit.
MTZ owns railroad assets, including a fiber-optic-based railway communication system, while Mongolia's railroads proper are controlled by Ulaanbaatar Railway, parity owned by the governments of Mongolia and Russia.
Tavan Tolgoi, located 342 miles from the Mongolian capital, is one of the world's 10 biggest coal deposits (6.5 billion tons).
Oyu Tolgoi (32 million tons of copper and 32 million oz of gold) is located in the south Gobi region 342 miles south of Ulan Bator and 50 miles north of the Chinese-Mongolian border.
The joint venture will not develop the deposits, but will hold tenders to choose co-investors. It will form project operators with the winners, holding 25% plus one share in them and leaving 75% minus one share to the selected co-investors.
In the past, RZD planned to recruit the assistance of Oleg Deripaska's En+ Group, Viktor Vekselberg's Renova, and Alexei Mordashov's Severstal Resurs for these projects.
En+ and Renova are ready for cooperation, but the new agreement stipulates that the Russian-Mongolian joint venture is to hold tenders. This means that the Russian miners will not receive any privileges and will have to participate in the tenders on a par with Japanese, Chinese, American and other contenders.
Mongolia also hopes that Russia's contribution ($250 million) could be used to increase the charter capital of Ulaanbaatar Railway, half of whose railroads need to be overhauled. It also expects Russia to provide an easy loan ($300 million) for the purchase of Russian grain, agricultural machinery and mineral fertilizer, and a $1.5 billion loan facility for other purposes.
The partners also agreed to set up a joint venture to process uranium produced at the Dornod deposit (49,000 tons, located in northeast Mongolia) and the East Gobi fields. The Russian partner will be Rosatom, with Japan's Mitsui considering participation.
The stakes to be held by the partners and possible investment have so far not been determined.
Currently, Russia's largest projects in Mongolia are Erdenet and Mongoltsvetmet, joint non-ferrous producers established during the Soviet era. Mongolia holds controlling stakes in them (51%) while Russia's stakes (49%) have been recently turned over to the Russian Technology state corporation.
The corporation is considering adjusting the Erdenet project to the Udokan copper project in Russia. Russian Technology's partner, Alisher Usmanov's Metalloinvest, has been recently granted the development license for the Udokan project.
The opinions expressed in this article are the author's and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.


http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20090515/155025973.html

[Shuimo]

Just ban Shuimo's IP...permanently....this guy doesn't represent the majority of Chinese people...

who r u?rofl

[Erdene]

The possibility of Mongoilia returning to China - 0% rofl


Khalkha Mongols have never been the true offsprings of great Genghis Khan. They were from from an ancient serbria tribes.

Thanks for the great help from Ordie, former USSA or Russia POPulation got the snack of current land of "Mongolia", and handed it to these khalkhas. while the real offsprings of Genghis Khan lost their homeland and had to live in China. Treated good or bad, they are hoping their can get back their land and have their new nation.

Khalkhas are more russian than mongols, at least in lifestyle. they betrayed Genghis Khan the great's faith.

Study the truth, don't be fooled by some bad guys or media.

:roll:.... Khalkh(means shield) Mongols are the guardians of Mongolia who stayed put in Mongolia...didnt go anywhere...and yes we use cyrillic and drink alot of vodka but that doesn't mean we're russian does it ??? :)

Quite suprised to find this topic here...I usually find them on ABC chinazi forums :)

I thought Taiwan stopped making this claim...they opened up some representative's office in UB so I presumed they gave on the silly claim.

We becoming part of china is something we dont think about just because it will never happen, we and chinese are like hot oil and cold water, I cant even imagine what it will be like...my brain just cant create that kind of scenario rofl

I personally believe our future is bright, as soon as the recession is over we can start sorting out those mining deals and get the capital coming...many students aboard like myself eager to return as soon as we're done with our degrees and start building our country woot

We feel russian influence creeping back in with putin's visit, refusing to accept the Millenium Fund to improve our national rail, buying up uranium desposit sites etc... but I know as long as we play smart geopolitics we'll be fine and dandy.

I dont think our immediate future has been this bright for many centuries...as we say ''so long as we got our border, lauguage and cattle Mongols will never disappear''

Bonus info: Our pop. level reached 2.7 million few weeks back...my friends you will hear of Mongolia and Mongolians more and more in the years to comewoot

[Karaahmetoglu]

The possibility of Mongoilia returning to China - 0% rofl



:roll:.... Khalkh(means shield) Mongols are the guardians of Mongolia who stayed put in Mongolia...didnt go anywhere...and yes we use cyrillic and drink alot of vodka but that doesn't mean we're russian does it ??? :)


Nearly the same thing in Turkish Kalkan (Turkish of the same word), but lets not start trying to find similar words because that would take years being from the same language family and all.

BTW what is "come and get it" in Mongolian?

[Shuimo]

The possibility of Mongoilia returning to China - 0% rofl



:roll:.... Khalkh(means shield) Mongols are the guardians of Mongolia who stayed put in Mongolia...didnt go anywhere...and yes we use cyrillic and drink alot of vodka but that doesn't mean we're russian does it ??? :)

Quite suprised to find this topic here...I usually find them on ABC chinazi forums :)

I thought Taiwan stopped making this claim...they opened up some representative's office in UB so I presumed they gave on the silly claim.

We becoming part of china is something we dont think about just because it will never happen, we and chinese are like hot oil and cold water, I cant even imagine what it will be like...my brain just cant create that kind of scenario rofl

I personally believe our future is bright, as soon as the recession is over we can start sorting out those mining deals and get the capital coming...many students aboard like myself eager to return as soon as we're done with our degrees and start building our country woot

We feel russian influence creeping back in with putin's visit, refusing to accept the Millenium Fund to improve our national rail, buying up uranium desposit sites etc... but I know as long as we play smart geopolitics we'll be fine and dandy.

I dont think our immediate future has been this bright for many centuries...as we say ''so long as we got our border, lauguage and cattle Mongols will never disappear''

Bonus info: Our pop. level reached 2.7 million few weeks back...my friends you will hear of Mongolia and Mongolians more and more in the years to comewoot
You can never tell what might happen to Mongolia in future as there is always China besides!rofl

[Ordie]

You can never tell what might happen to Mongolia in future as there is always China besides!rofl

As there will always be Mongols.

Just scratch a Russian and you'll find out.

[Shuimo]

As there will always be Mongols.

Just scratch a Russian and you'll find out.
Russia still owes China milions of square kilometers land!rofl

[BlackFlag]

Bonus info: Our pop. level reached 2.7 million few weeks back...my friends you will hear of Mongolia and Mongolians more and more in the years to comewoot

I for one, will welcome our new Mongolian overlords.

[sepheronx]

Russia still owes China milions of square kilometers land!rofl
They do? Since when?

[Ordie]

Russia still owes China milions of square kilometers land!rofl

Russia does not owe China anything.
Tatary (Maritime Provences) was ceded by China by the Treaties of Nerchinsk, Kyakhta, Aigun and Peking from 1689-1860.

[Kadrun]

Russia still owes China milions of square kilometers land!rofl

Then return Gando back to Korea.

[Karaahmetoglu]

Then return Gando back to Korea.

While your at it give back East Turkestan, Inner Mongolia, Tibet etc.

[BlackFlag]

Here we go...:roll:

[liyi5598]

The following Chinese article is very interesting. The author brings together the Taiwan question and Mongolia, and gave the hint that Mongolia might return to China again some day. What do you think of such a possibility?


台湾和蒙古，一个想要不给，一个不给还要！ (http://blog.ifeng.com/article/2645637.html#)



发表于 2009-05-06 07:29:01 类别：析社会现象 (http://blog.ifeng.com/index.php?action=home&uid=1146242&t=109056)

http://blog.ifeng.com/article/2645637.html
Shuimo, shame on you. Mongolia is an indenpendant country of UN. This is the key point makes it different from Taiwan. You words are too invasive and militarism. You word makes me uncomfortable
.
Look at USA, they spent too much money on Iraq war and the country got problems.

And merging Mongolia means to declare war to UN. You are a crazy Chinese. Crazy plus patriotism mean disaster to our country, just like the second world war to Germans.

Another Chinese's opinion.

[el borracho]

First time I looked at this thread...I was thinking they would return Kublai Khan style, but I guess that isn't what this is about.

[Shuimo]

Shuimo, shame on you. Mongolia is an indenpendant country of UN. This is the key point makes it different from Taiwan. You words are too invasive and militarism. You word makes me uncomfortable
.
Look at USA, they spent too much money on Iraq war and the country got problems.

And merging Mongolia means to declare war to UN. You are a crazy Chinese. Crazy plus patriotism mean disaster to our country, just like the second world war to Germans.

Another Chinese's opinion.


You know what shame is?rofl

[Mikhael]

Shuimo
Suspended for infractions


Well that was fast but not a surprise p-)

[Rayber]

Aww, i miss him allready , it is so EPIC to watch him getting owned over and over again , good humor on a monday night : D

[Erdene]

You can never tell what might happen to Mongolia in future as there is always China besides!rofl


As there will always be Mongols.

QUOTE]

Indeed, so will we :)


[QUOTE=Karaahmetoglu კოპაძე;4134940]

BTW what is "come and get it" in Mongolian?

Ireed av! just means come and get it...i.e come and get the piece of bread not come and get it because you can never get it kind you know...!

[Karaahmetoglu]

Ireed av! just means come and get it...i.e come and get the piece of bread not come and get it because you can never get it kind you know...!

Well what would be a comparable saying to "Come and Get it" in Mongolian?

[Mikhael]

Cant understand why you reason and talk with shuimo in the first place you can clearly see that he is "chinese nationalistic fanboy" with china will rule taiwan ,mongolia,korea and japan and then the whole world.