Rockets launched from the Gaza Strip kill two people

[S'13]

Two Israelis killed in Kassam attack on Sderot

50-year-old-man and 3-year-old child killed by rocket that hit southern town. Mother of child in serious condition. Five others lightly injured. Witness: Rocket landed in kindergarten playground while children were inside.
Amir Buhbut

A 50-year-old man and a three-year-old child were killed and at least six people were injured, one of them seriously, after two Kassam rockets fired from the northern Gaza Strip exploded in the southern town of Sderot this (Monday) morning. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

The mother of the child that was killed is fighting for her life and is being treated at Soroka Medical Center in Beeer Sheva, while those lightly injured were evacuated to Barzilai Hospital in Ashkelon.

One rocket landed near a kindergarten and caused the fatalities and injuries, while the second landed in a nearby commercial center, resulting in heavy damage but no injuries.

According to an initial estimate by police sappers, the rockets were an advanced type and contained more explosives than usual The head of the Lachish Police Station, Commander Nissim Mor, told Army Radio earlier that it was possible that the rockets contained a new type of explosive.

Simha Revivo, a kindergarten teacher's assistant, recounted, “We were in the kindergarten, the children were playing as usual when suddenly we heard a huge explosion and the windows shattered. We evacuated the children to the safe room. One child really got upset and some parents arrived. There were about 20 children inside the kindergarten when the Kassam exploded in the playground outside”.

Mayor of Sderot Eli Moyal, said, “This is a difficult day for our town. We cannot grasp the tragedy. We are all united on this terrible day”.

The Hamas’ military wing Izz al-din al-Qassam issued a statement saying, “Four Kassam rockets bombarded the settlement of Sderot this morning and with the help of Allah, two Zionists were killed and a number of Zionist settlers were injured”.

http://www.maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=9113

[Moledet]

Get used to it, it gonna hit the cities in the south few times every week after the "pullout".

[S'13]

Get used to it, it gonna hit the cities in the south few times every week after the "pullout".

And the presence of civilians in the Gaza Strip really helped stop this latest attack... :roll:

[W(M)D]

And the presence of civilians in the Gaza Strip really helped stop this latest attack... :roll:

No the presence of Israeli civilians will not stop the terror attacks from Gaza, so the IDF will still need to carry out air/naval/ground actions in Gaza even after a disengament (withdrawal) regardless in order to a) terminate specific ongoing targets, b) destroy terrorist infrastructure in the Gaza Strip e.g. weapons workshops and the like.
Many (though not all) Israelis are p*ssed off with the settlements due to the amount of money the government gives them, it is not all about security issues.

[S'13]

And the presence of civilians in the Gaza Strip really helped stop this latest attack... :roll:

No the presence of Israeli civilians will not stop the terror attacks from Gaza, so the IDF will still need to carry out air/naval/ground actions in Gaza even after a disengament (withdrawal) regardless in order to a) terminate specific ongoing targets, b) destroy terrorist infrastructure in the Gaza Strip e.g. weapons workshops and the like.


What I wrote was written as a sarcastic comment :)

I too belive that the settlements in the Gaza Strip do not serve any stratigic purpose and that only a military presence and IDF operations can counter the threat of rocket attacks from the Gaza Strip.

[Moledet]

And the presence of civilians in the Gaza Strip really helped stop this latest attack... :roll:

No the presence of Israeli civilians will not stop the terror attacks from Gaza, so the IDF will still need to carry out air/naval/ground actions in Gaza even after a disengament (withdrawal) regardless in order to a) terminate specific ongoing targets, b) destroy terrorist infrastructure in the Gaza Strip e.g. weapons workshops and the like.


What I wrote was written as a sarcastic comment :)

I too belive that the settlements in the Gaza Strip do not serve any stratigic purpose and that only a military presence and IDF operations can counter the threat of rocket attacks from the Gaza Strip.
But there will be no military presence, they are building a fence for a reason.

[S'13]

But there will be no military presence, they are building a fence for a reason.

If rockets will be fired at Israeli settlement within the Green Line after the disengament, the IDF will return to the Gaza Strip.

There has been a fence around the Gaza Strip since 1994...

[W(M)D]

There has been a fence around the Gaza Strip since 1994...

In order to keep the 'animals caged'.

[S'13]

There has been a fence around the Gaza Strip since 1994...

In order to keep the 'animals caged'.

True...

[Moledet]

But there will be no military presence, they are building a fence for a reason.

If rockets will be fired at Israeli settlement within the Green Line after the disengament, the IDF will return to the Gaza Strip.

There has been a fence around the Gaza Strip since 1994...
This time they are building a remote controled boarder, that is suppose to operate without soldiers, so there won't be any soldiers.
And ofcourse the IDF will get back to Gaza strip rofl

[S'13]

This time they are building a remote controled boarder, that is suppose to operate without soldiers, so there won't be any soldiers.


So what is the problem? It will cut down on manpower and less soldiers will be at risk.


And ofcourse the IDF will get back to Gaza strip

You and I can't argue on something that hasn't happened yet.
I belive that IDF operations in the Gaza Strip will continue after the disengament, while you for some reason belive the IDF will stay out of the Gaza Strip even if rockets will fall within the Green Line. I don't see why the IDF would do such a thing... :lol:

[Moledet]

This time they are building a remote controled boarder, that is suppose to operate without soldiers, so there won't be any soldiers.


So what is the problem? It will cut down on manpower and less soldiers will be at risk.


And ofcourse the IDF will get back to Gaza strip

You and I can't argue on something that hasn't happened yet.
I belive that IDF operations in the Gaza Strip will continue after the disengament, while you for some reason belive the IDF will stay out of the Gaza Strip even if rockets will fall within the Green Line. I don't see why the IDF would do such a thing... :lol:
I can see why it will stay out, liberal government, idiots that think that they know everything better than the generals, no balls to attack back because they will be strongly based in Gaza strip, potential to hit many ciivlians, and the rest of the excuses that this government has to not attack heavily inside Lebanon.

[S'13]

I can see why it will stay out, liberal government, idiots that think that they know everything better than the generals, no balls to attack back because they will be strongly based in Gaza strip, potential to hit many ciivlians, and the rest of the excuses that this government has to not attack heavily inside Lebanon.

And saying that the IDF won't enter the Gaza Strip after the disengament isn't an excuse used to make people belive it's better to not to evacuate the settlements there rofl p-)

[Moledet]

I can see why it will stay out, liberal government, idiots that think that they know everything better than the generals, no balls to attack back because they will be strongly based in Gaza strip, potential to hit many ciivlians, and the rest of the excuses that this government has to not attack heavily inside Lebanon.

And saying that the IDF won't enter the Gaza Strip after the disengament isn't an excuse used to make people belive it's better to leave the settlements in the there rofl p-)
If there will be settlement there, than the IDF will always be inside Gaza strip and while it protects the settlements it will protect the rest of the country.

But, let's leave it, few months after the plan will be done (if it will be done) you'll see what I mean.

[S'13]

If there will be settlement there, than the IDF will always be inside Gaza strip and while it protects the settlements it will protect the rest of the country.



How does it protect the country? The IDF can protect Israel from within the Green Line and conduct operations inside the Gaza Strip without the presence of settlements.


But, let's leave it, few months after the plan will be done (if it will be done) you'll see what I mean.

Or the opposite...

[Moledet]

If there will be settlement there, than the IDF will always be inside Gaza strip and while it protects the settlements it will protect the rest of the country.



How does it protect the country? The IDF can protect Israel from within the Green Line and conduct operations inside the Gaza Strip without the presence of settlements.


But, let's leave it, few months after the plan will be done (if it will be done) you'll see what I mean.

Or the opposite...
The IDF can't protect the country from inside Israel, because it can't stop the missiles that way.

[S'13]

The IDF can't protect the country from inside Israel, because it can't stop the missiles that way.

Read what I wrote again...


How does it protect the country? The IDF can protect Israel from within the Green Line and conduct operations inside the Gaza Strip without the presence of settlements.

[Moledet]

The IDF can't protect the country from inside Israel, because it can't stop the missiles that way.

Read what I wrote again...


How does it protect the country? The IDF can protect Israel from within the Green Line and conduct operations inside the Gaza Strip without the presence of settlements.
Let's say that it will enter the strip, find few missiles, kill few terroritsts and get out, than the first thing that will happen is that they will take some of the missiles that left and they will shoot them on cities in the south.
You can't win a fight vs. terror if you give it gifts and if you run away, the only way is to hit them strong without any mercy, to hit so strong that it will be remembered for all generations so they won't even think about attacking Israel again.

[S'13]

The IDF can't protect the country from inside Israel, because it can't stop the missiles that way.

Read what I wrote again...


How does it protect the country? The IDF can protect Israel from within the Green Line and conduct operations inside the Gaza Strip without the presence of settlements.
Let's say that it will enter the strip, find few missiles, kill few terroritsts and get out, than the first thing that will happen is that they will take some of the missiles that left and they will shoot them on cities in the south.
You can't win a fight vs. terror if you give it gifts and if you run away, the only way is to hit them strong without any mercy, to hit so strong that it will be remembered for all generations so they won't even think about attacking Israel again.

I don't understand your point... Today there are settlements in the Gaza Strip yet it doesn't prevent the terrorists from firing rockets into the Green Line (as we saw today).
What prevents terrorists from firing rockets are the IDF operations in the Gaza Strip, not the settlements. I don't understand your logic, how does an IDF soldier gaurding a settlement prevent rocket attacks? Wouldn't it be wiser if he was sent to look for the terrorists who make and fire the rockets and also target rocket making lathe-shops?

[S'13]

What I hope to see in the near future is the Nautilus system been used to counter the threat of rockets from the Gaza Strip.


http://airdefense.bliss.army.mil/adamag/ADA%20Heroes/ADA%20Yearbook2000/tbd34034624_99m_01.jpg
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/systems/THEL.html

[Moledet]

The IDF can't protect the country from inside Israel, because it can't stop the missiles that way.

Read what I wrote again...


How does it protect the country? The IDF can protect Israel from within the Green Line and conduct operations inside the Gaza Strip without the presence of settlements.
Let's say that it will enter the strip, find few missiles, kill few terroritsts and get out, than the first thing that will happen is that they will take some of the missiles that left and they will shoot them on cities in the south.
You can't win a fight vs. terror if you give it gifts and if you run away, the only way is to hit them strong without any mercy, to hit so strong that it will be remembered for all generations so they won't even think about attacking Israel again.

I don't understand your point... Today there are settlements in the Gaza Strip yet it doesn't prevent the terrorists from firing rockets into the Green Line.
What prevents terrorists from firing rockets are the IDF operations in the Gaza Strip, not the settlements. I don't understand your logic, how does an IDF soldier gaurding a settlement prevent rocket attacks? Wouldn't it be wiser if he was sent to look for the terrorists who make and fire the rockets and also target rocket making lathe-shops?
All i'm saying is that as long as thre are settlements there the IDF is pressuring the terrorists 24hours, if the IDF will leave (according to Sharon's plan, no Jews will be in Gaza strip) and will only do operations once in a while than the terrorists will have time to develope weapons.

P.S. From the RAMATKAL opinions you can clearly see that the IDF won't do too many operations in Gaza, that's one of the reasons he is against the plan, same thing go for many generals.
Head of AMAN:"The pull out will be interpated by the Palestinians as a success and it will make the terror attacks stronger".
Former head of operations of the Mossad:"The pull out will put Ashkelon area under rockets threats. That in addiiton to the powerful threat on the bay of Haifa"
The head of the southern command:"The talks about the pull out is encouraging the terror. We've seen it also in Lebanon. When you talk about retreating, it give backing to terror orgniazation[...] all the talks about the pull out are making the "life" of the IDF in Gaza strip harder. The battles in the last months were very hard and I don't think that it will become easier."
The head of the Shabak:"The pull out is dangerous, it will make the Palestinians feel that they won and it will encourage the terrorists."
The commander of Gaza strip:"When. you are fighting an enemy that try to take over a land that you are sitting on, and he see that you are going to retreat it lifts his moral.[...]In Lebanon the Hizbullaha created a myth of victory, we can't let a Palestinian myth to be created".
And I'll say it again, if the IDF will go in and out, in and out, it won't be able to stop terror, we already payed too many times for this stupid mistakes of giving control to the Palestinians, do you want to pay again?

BTW, these people also support the plan, contact them:
http://www.yesha.org.il/katif/banner3.jpg

[S'13]

All i'm saying is that as long as thre are settlements there the IDF is pressuring the terrorists 24hours, if the IDF will leave (according to Sharon's plan, no Jews will be in Gaza strip) and will only do operations once in a while than the terrorists will have time to develope weapons.


IDF forces protecting settlements don't pressure terrorists since their task is to gaurd. That is my main point, instead of gaurding settlements, soldiers will be able to take part in operations.

As for your comment saying the IDF will only go on operations once in a while, that's only pure speculation.


BTW, these people also support the plan, contact them:
Demagoguery will get you nowhere... ;)

[AirZone]

RIP to the poor little kid.. just saw his pic in the news, his mom in bad condition...the dad is in shock.. poor him :(


strange... i didnt hear any voices against thier action but while IDF enters to palastines cities to destory the workshops everyone jumps and start to yell on us... heh... :roll:

[S'13]

strange... i didnt hear any voices against thier action but while IDF enters to palastines cities to destory the workshops everyone jumps and start to yell on us... heh... :roll:

Take into consideration that there are people here who see this attack as an act of resistance... :roll:

Of course this shouldn't come as a surprise to us, just yesterday I found out that there is a person who belives there was an independent Palestinian state between 1967-1948 in the Territories. :cantbeli:

[oldsoak]

My condolences to families of those killed. may they be the last.

how sophisticated are these rockets ?

[S'13]

how sophisticated are these rockets ?

The Kassam is a simple homemade steel rocket filled with explosives and lacks any kind of guidance system.

There are three models: Kassam 1, Kassam 2 and the Kassam 3 (also known as the Nasser 3).

The Kassam 2 has a range of 7.5 km and carries 20 pounds of explosives. I don't know much about the new Nasser 3, only that it has a larger warhead and an improved engine.

[big80a2]

RIP to the death.

hope there will be a way to counter this attacks soon

[Moledet]

My condolences to families of those killed. may they be the last.

how sophisticated are these rockets ?

The Kassam is a rocket is a simple, homemade steel rocket filled with explosives and lacks any kind of guidance system.

There are three models: Kassam 1, Kassam 2 and the Kassam 3 (also known as the Nasser 3).

The Kassam 2 has a range of 7.5 km and carries 20 pounds of explosives however I don't know much about the new Nasser 3. Only that it has a larger warhead and an improved engine.
Qassam 3 max. range is 17KM.
This is a Qassam 2 rocket:
http://www.hamasonline.com/Qassam/qassam2.gif
It use fertalisers as fuel and it length is 180cm.

P.S. S'13, I don't want to discuss with you because it's pointless, all I have to say is, wait and see.

[Macs.]

But the defence "wall"/fence which Israel did build seems to work pretty well, huh ?

If I remember right there was no suicide bombing since it was build, only at checkpoints.


RIP to the poor child.

[Sayeret]

But the defence "wall"/fence which Israel did build seems to work pretty well, huh ?

If I remember right there was no suicide bombing since it was build, only at checkpoints.

Nobody said the wall was going to stop rockets. Right now there really isn't anyway to stop rockets, fortunately most of the Kassams that are fired aern't accurate and almost never injure or kill anyone. The wall has worked with what it was made to do, stop suicide bombers.

[Sayeret]

Moledet my opinion on Gaza is that Israel shouldn't pull out since it would be a victory for the terrorists. Also it would allow the Palestinians to fire mortars and Kassams into Israel from Gaza.

[S'13]

P.S. S'13, I don't want to discuss with you because it's pointless, all I have to say is, wait and see.

Agreed :D ;)

Just remember, I didn't start this discussion...

[oldsoak]

This rocket - how easy is it to produce ? Are the skills required to make it easily transferrable ? Are there known "rocketeers" as there are known bomb experts ?