Desecration of Russian Military Memorial in Warsaw...

[Bachelor]

Russian MFA Spokesman Andrei Nesterenko Comment on Desecration of Russian Military Memorial in Warsaw.

The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs is deeply angered by the barbarous desecration of the Russian military memorial in Warsaw, where the wreaths were burned that had been laid on Victory Day’s eve in the course of a solemn ceremony in honor of the Soviet soldiers who gave their lives for the liberation of Poland and its capital from the fascist occupiers.
We are certain that such a flagrant insult to the memory of the fallen will meet stern condemnation among the broadest circles of the public of Poland, where, as we know perfectly well, it is accepted to preserve the peace of the dead with pointed attention. For our part we intend to seek a thorough investigation of this glaring act of vandalism and the punishment of those found guilty. The Russian embassy in Warsaw has sent a note of the relevant content to the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

http://www.mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/0/E043F6F4168F8156C32575B400431E6D

Soviet Military Cemetery, Warsaw.

The Soviet Military Cemetery in Warsaw, Poland, is the burial place of over 20,000 Soviet soldiers who died fighting against Nazi Germany. It contains one of the first major monuments to be built in Warsaw to those who fought in the Second World War. It includes examples of Socialist Realist art showing workers (with tools) and other civilians greeting the victorious soldiers.
The monument is located in Warsaw's Mokotów district, near the center of the area where the 1944 Warsaw Uprising took place. An individual in yellow standing in the middle of the photo gives a sense of the monument's vast scale. The dedication on the monument (in the center of the photograph) reads:
Dedication on the right-hand side.
"Pamięci żołnierzy Armii Radzieckiej poległych o Wyzwolenie Polski spod Okupacji Niemieckiej w Latach 1944-1945." (Polish)
"To the memory of the Soviet Army soldiers who fell while liberating Poland from German occupation in the years 1944-1945." (Eng)
Detail of relief on the left side.
More than 20,000 Soviet soldiers lie in the Cemetery, mostly in mass graves to the left and right of the obelisk. The cemetery was built soon after the war (exact date needs confirmaton).
The cemetery dedication on the right side lists (in Polish) the units to which the dead belonged.
The same dedications appears on the left, in Russian, along with another relief.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_military_cemetery_in_Warsaw

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Waw-soviet-military-cemetery-main.jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Waw-soviet-military-cemetery-dedication.jpg



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Waw-soviet-military-cemetery-relief.jpg

[BlackFlag]

F*cking despicable.

[SpecOpsGrandChild]

F*cking despicable.
Yeah, I agree.

[Umbro2914]

what a shame

[Nobi]

Yep this is really sad, hope it can be clarified who did this.

[shadowsrider]

Of course I fully agree that memory of the fallen should be well kept.

But look... usually Russian media remind Poland when some small accident happens. The article says nothing about the facts. What happened? Some flowers got fire? Some Polish media said that it was even accident that some flowers got fire by accident with no human intervention.
And now again great tube: in Poland our brave soldiers are ashamed. So please...

Moreover it means that someone takes care of the monument - there are flowers, fire burning etc.

[Wojtop]

Please, close it, this thread is a flamebait. Some flowers caught fire on the cementary. Noone knows what happened, police is just investigating it. It was probably an incident, it might have been a purposefull action of some individual yet i do not think Russia has any moral rights to raise hell regarding anti-soviet incidents in Warsaw.

The controversy regarding the monument is that there were no civilians welcoming Red Army in Warsaw as pictured on the sculptures. Germans killled or deported all inhabitants of Warsaw (over 1M) during the 3 months when Uprising was razing in the city while Red Army stood on the other side of the river doing nothing and obstructing delivery of provisions to the fighters from the West. Soviets are hardly regarded heroes in Polish capital for this reason - they called the city to rise and then permitted it to be burned to ground and hundreds of thousands of inhabitants to be killed in combat, murdered or deported.

Yet I don't think there are many people in Poland who mind anything against those Soviet soldiers who got killed in service of their country, they are just regular guys who served their country well, died for a cause and helped to kick Nazis back to Germany.

[Connaught Ranger]

Of course I fully agree that memory of the fallen should be well kept.

But look... usually Russian media remind Poland when some small accident happens. The article says nothing about the facts. What happened? Some flowers got fire? Some Polish media said that it was even accident that some flowers got fire by accident with no human intervention.
And now again great tube: in Poland our brave soldiers are ashamed. So please...

Moreover it means that someone takes care of the monument - there are flowers, fire burning etc.

Of course spontaneous combustion, happens all the time in Polish cemetery's right:roll:.

I have seen similar attempts to desecrate Soviet era memorials here in Romania.

IMHO part of the problem is the Red Star logo, which is part of many of the monuments and on the gravestones, in all reality, it should be repainted gold to reflect the award "Hero of the Soviet Union" as for some reason a "Red Star" is like a red rag to a bull.

Connaught Ranger.

[Switek]

Disgusting act of barbarian morons... if done by men.

Another storm in tea cup, purposely exaggerated by Russian propaganda a machine. It was broadly commented in Polish media on may 9th and later. The case is also under investigation by Warsaw police. If it was a hooligan act, those who did it, will be sooner or later found, arrested, sentenced and punished (they deserve it).

But there's is also possibility that those "desecration" could be caused by lights left by those who commemorate memory of fallen soviet soldiers on May 8th.

Thank you Bachelor for another thread feeding your anti Polish and your nationalistic attitude.


Can anyone close this thread?

[shadowsrider]

Of course spontaneous combustion, happens all the time in Polish cemetery's right:roll:.

I have seen similar attempts to desecrate Soviet era memorials here in Romania.

IMHO part of the problem is the Red Star logo, which is part of many of the monuments and on the gravestones, in all reality, it should be repainted gold to reflect the award "Hero of the Soviet Union" as for some reason a "Red Star" is like a red rag to a bull.

Connaught Ranger.

Now it rather does not happen. In early 90s after fall of communism it was quite often that some groups destroyed all signs of Soviet presence. But now... emotions are low and I visited some Soviet military cementaries like in Kazimierz and I found it well kept with photos of the soldiers, names etc.

[Flamming_Python]

Disgusting act of barbarian morons... if done by men.

Another storm in tea cup, purposely exaggerated by Russian propaganda a machine.

What are you talking about? Maybe its an exagerration and maybe it's a wrong accusation but it doesn't necessarily mean it was done on purpose. And if even if it was; its no different to any other exaggerations of any other country in the region.

You sound like one of those 'evil capitalist/communist lies' apparatchiks of Cold War times. Grow up and act like a proper person without having to insult my country 24/7.

Judging by some of the responses on this thread I doubt some of you of you honestly give a **** about this memorial; which is a shame.

[Switek]

What are you talking about? Maybe its an exagerration and maybe it's a wrong accusation but it doesn't necessarily mean it was done on purpose. And if even if it was; its no different to any other exaggerations of any other country in the region.

Damn! You should take a pill, all of you should! ;)


You sound like one of those 'evil capitalist/communist lies' apparatchiks of Cold War times. Grow up and act like a proper person without having to insult my country 24/7.

I don't get WFT are you talking about tovarishch FP. p-)


Judging by some of the responses on this thread I doubt some of you of you honestly give a **** about this memorial; which is a shame.

True I don't! I do care about soviet military elementary in my town! Most Poles behave in such way:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2043353&postcount=1

[Flamming_Python]

Damn! You should take a pill, all of you should! ;)



I don't get WFT are you talking about tovarishch FP. p-)



True I don't! I do care about soviet military elementary in my town! Most Poles behave in such way:
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2043353&postcount=1

Switek... you never get WFT I'm talking about p-)

I take it back about how Poles are happy that this place was vandalized; we need the Russo-Polish love thread back I reckon...

[Switek]

Switek... you never get WFT I'm talking about p-)

I take it back about how Poles are happy that this place was vandalized; we need the Russo-Polish love thread back I reckon...


If it was vandalized it'd be reason for shame for most of us... In our culture graveyards and memorials are sacred.

[Eye]

"Pamięci żołnierzy Armii Radzieckiej poległych o Wyzwolenie Polski spod Okupacji Niemieckiej w Latach 1944-1945." (Polish)
"To the memory of the Soviet Army soldiers who fell while liberating Poland from German occupation in the years 1944-1945." (Eng)



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Waw-soviet-military-cemetery-dedication.jpg




I haven't seen this monument in reality, but here on this photo we can read on the left
"War cemetery of the soviet army soldiers who fell in the years 1944-1945"
without word "liberating".

[Breerman]

Unfortunately desecration of both civilian and military graves occur all over. Its a police issue and not for world politics or victimization.

[TheArmenian]

Shame to the stupid potatoes who have done that.

[gazell]

Well, a waste of words, probably, but, not that I'm condoning such an action, etc. before CR comes around or other PC, it is such that this phrase: 'the liberation of Poland' or any other satellite country for that matter goes down an insult in these countries. Simple: the Soviet Union were occupiers, had to celebrate them with hate for decades, people have an inbred aversion to it. Not interested in conmemorating to say the least.

And some are more hostile to it than others, that simple. And as said there are all sorts of nuts, who attack all sorts of graves and monuments, all over the place. Try and put in perspective. All Hungarian monuments were disgraced in Ukraine, so all over, chill out.

[Kilgor]

Unfortunately desecration of both civilian and military graves occur all over. Its a police issue and not for world politics or victimization.

X2 unfortunately it happens all too often

But to tie it in to the government at the time is low.

Its usually just thugs with no brains and too much time on their hands.

[jetsetter]

One can't blame some Poles for hating the Soviet Union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

[Stormz_STA]

I really like how this thread went form a military grave in Warsaw that was supposedly desecrated to the Katyn massacre and the Soviet occupation of central european countries :|

[jetsetter]

I really like how this thread went form a military grave in Warsaw that was supposedly desecrated to the Katyn massacre and the Soviet occupation of central european countries :|

There is a direct connection and it is quite easy to see. Soviets invade Poland, murder thousands of Poles, occupy the country, put up monuments insisting heroic acts, etc. I'm surprised this doesn't happen more and I can understand why someone would do it.

[PeterRJG]

And here we go...

[Mr.K]

Ugh, there will always be idiots in this world, Poland is no exception.p-)

There is a direct connection and it is quite easy to see. Soviets invade Poland, murder thousands of Poles, occupy the country, put up monuments insisting heroic acts, etc. I'm surprised this doesn't happen more and I can understand why someone would do it.

Keep smoking whatever you're smoking, hope you catch cancer, troll.

[jetsetter]

And here we go...

This is the "Political Discussions and Rants" section of the forum. Don't want discussion like this then I suggest posting it in a different section of the forum.

[PeterRJG]

This is the "Political Discussions and Rants" section of the forum. Don't want discussion like this then I suggest posting it in a different section of the forum.

How many fvcking discussions about Poland vs Russia hang-ups have there been lately? Like there's been any shortage of them.

For real.

[jetsetter]

How many fvcking discussions about Poland vs Russia hang-ups have there been lately? Like there's been any shortage of them.

For real.

We are discussing why someone would deface the monument are we not?

[Stormz_STA]

There is a direct connection and it is quite easy to see. Soviets invade Poland, murder thousands of Poles, occupy the country, put up monuments insisting heroic acts, etc.

I do know history of my own country. You don't have to tell me what the Soviets were doing here.


I'm surprised this doesn't happen more and I can understand why someone would do it.


Maybe it is customary in your la la land to destroy graves. In Poland it isn't.

[PeterRJG]

We are discussing why someone would deface the monument are we not?

Some people are. You, on the other hand, are trolling and sh!t-stirring.

[jetsetter]

Some people are. You, on the other hand, are trolling and sh!t-stirring.

I only speak the truth in this manner. It is not unreasonable to assume that some in Poland resented the Soviet invasion and occupation.

[California Joe]

Look, I don't care who you are, or where you're from, or what political system you adhere to...Desecrating graves is simply wrong.

I'd also venture that 99.9 percent of the time it's a bunch of asshole kids with a few drinks and a penchant for proving what little bastard anarchists they are.

To claim otherwise for political axe grinding is lame and also disrespectful to the dead.

Closed.