Question About AR-15 Pistols

[Sayeret]

How accurate are AR-15 pistols? I've heard that the accuracy can be improved using a sling. Does adding a sling help much with accuracy?

http://www.olyarms.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/ar15-pistols/full-k23p.jpg


Also, I've seen some AR-15 pistosl with padded receiver extension tubes, like the one above, can that be used as a sort buttstock to improve accuracy?

[Bro Jangles]

if you used the tube as a stock it would be really ****ing close to your body. the foam is meant to protect your forearm from bruises.

[Sayeret]

if you used the tube as a stock it would be really ****ing close to your body. the foam is meant to protect your forearm from bruises.

oh ok, thanks.

[LineDoggie]

Why anyone would want such a Monstrocity is beyond me. The Muzzle flash from a 8" bbl must be enormous, Velocity must suck, Accuracy affected, and the amount of wasted unburned powder to me show no advantage to having over a 9mm or a .41 Special .
You cant tell me those sights are really usable as intended with so short a Barrel

[shuredgefan]

Good for drive-bys and impressing your homies with how gangsta you are.

[KEEPER0311]

****ing retarded...just by a pistol, save yourself the money on both the fire arm, and the ammo you will surely waste.

[martinexsquaddie]

they annoy the hell out of the ATF
seen an ak pistol with a 75drum mag
if the foam thingy can be used as a stock then its illegal and you can and will go to jail in the states as ATF have no sense of humour.
pointless fun to watch on the range but not worth spending your own cash on

[California Joe]

Spend the money on a giant dildo instead, it'd be slightly less gay than that thing.

[martinexsquaddie]

just because you resent the invention of smokeless powder no need to get all sniffy:)

[Sayeret]

I'm not planning on buying an AR-15 pistol, I was just curious how much slings help improve the accuracy because I know adding a stock to these weapons make them into a SBR.

[Britboy]

If you want accuracy then surely a bizarrely-cut down pistol from an AR is not what the doctor ordered.

Whats an SBR by the way?

[Sayeret]

If you want accuracy then surely a bizarrely-cut down pistol from an AR is not what the doctor ordered.

Whats an SBR by the way?

SBR stands for Short Barreled Rifle. It's any rifle with a barrel shorter than 16 inches and an over length shorter than 26 inches.

I wouldn't imagine the AR-15 pistol would be anyway as accurate as an AR-15, say with 20 inch barrel but I've heard it is more accurate than most pistols.

[boone]

I wouldn't imagine the AR-15 pistol would be anyway as accurate as an AR-15, say with 20 inch barrel but I've heard it is more accurate than most pistols.
You sure have heard a lot of things.

[Britboy]

Ah gotcha. Cheers.

An AR/AK pistol seems to me to be a solution looking for a problem though. I doubt it'll be as accurate as a pistol seeing as the receiver etc is going to weigh quite a bit more than a pistols body will. Looks like a bad attempt to copy the 'machine pistol' like Uzi or MP7.

Why not use a pistol?
Or an SMG/PDW?
Or a carbine?

[Laworkerbee]

I'm trying to imagine how loud that little ****er is :|

[Soldat_Américain]

a legit question, unlike that one about the Keltec AR pistol, I guess it's perfect to pull out of your pants and shoot at bitches on the block

[Sayeret]

Ah gotcha. Cheers.

An AR/AK pistol seems to me to be a solution looking for a problem though. I doubt it'll be as accurate as a pistol seeing as the receiver etc is going to weigh quite a bit more than a pistols body will. Looks like a bad attempt to copy the 'machine pistol' like Uzi or MP7.

Why not use a pistol?
Or an SMG/PDW?
Or a carbine?

Yeah, I don't really think it's too practical for anything but plinking. I think the only advantage it has over a carbine would be it's a little shorter. That little difference in length probably isn't significant enough in most cases, though. I think when people want something shorter than a carbine they just use a SMG/PDW or pistol.

[Britboy]

I'd be tempted to use the Smatchet your avatar is carrying, personally. Warry as fvck! :D

[junglejim]

I'm trying to imagine how loud that little ****er is :|

I have no sound for you, but I have a vid showing the muzzle flash from one of these short barreled feckers...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPXvYCWkz2g

[Dan2004]

I have no sound for you, but I have a vid showing the muzzle flash from one of these short barreled feckers...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPXvYCWkz2g

Got sound and flash. AR and AK pistols, plus some bump-firing action. p-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqkx4jc2ZM8&NR=1

[junglejim]

Got sound and flash. AR and AK pistols, plus some bump-firing action. p-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqkx4jc2ZM8&NR=1

You win! :)

[Dan2004]

You win! :)

Hells yeah! What's my prize? p-)

[SE7ENSIX]

Also, I've seen some AR-15 pistosl with padded receiver extension tubes, like the one above, can that be used as a sort buttstock to improve accuracy?


Wait a second... if you add a buttstock... is it really a pistol then? Besides... little guns are gay

[LineDoggie]

i'm trying to imagine how loud that little ****er is :| "what?, your flying into what cloud?" :)

[Lasse]

Imagine that a night. You atleast don't need a flashlight :)

[DocFrench]

I think there was a 5.56mm Survival Weapon during Vietnam called a Bushmaster... it was a sort of bullpup style that the mag rested on the outside of your forearm. Took standard 20 or 30 rnd mags, don't think the barrel was even 8 inches.

[wicked_hind]

I think there was a 5.56mm Survival Weapon during Vietnam called a Bushmaster... it was a sort of bullpup style that the mag rested on the outside of your forearm. Took standard 20 or 30 rnd mags, don't think the barrel was even 8 inches.

You're correct. Here's the link with pics. and info.

http://www.biggerhammer.net/armpistol/variants.html

[Britboy]

I think there was a 5.56mm Survival Weapon during Vietnam called a Bushmaster... it was a sort of bullpup style that the mag rested on the outside of your forearm. Took standard 20 or 30 rnd mags, don't think the barrel was even 8 inches.

Says Air Force on the linky, was that really meant for shot down aircrew?

I think I'd rather have issued them a pistol.

Less of a bang, but also less temptation. I'm sure that armpistol can fire fine, but you'd get some madmen trying to take on enemy troops with that thing, instead of running off and evading them.

[Hollis]

I have posted photos of shorty before; My intent when I built it was to eventually make it a SBR.

Also how many firearms have collapsible stocks?


In answer to the Q, slings are use to stabilize the pistol. The pistol is held away from the body limited by the sling, the force makes the pistol stable.

Mistake I made I built a 7.5 in. A 10.5 in would have been better, the sound suppressor on a 7.5 is longer than a 10.5s, basically making it the same length barrel.


So for CQC, a Shorty (SBR) beta C mag and a suppressor. Again C in "C"QC, is Close not long range.


The "pistol" designation allows normal ownership, a Class III License is needs to convert to a SBR.


They are really not very good pistols, they suck in the sense as being used as a pistol would be used. So a person has to develop a different technique.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/2shorty.jpg

[hatchet_harry]

You win! :)
think again after you have seen the sig 510 "commando" (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2530970&postcount=55)

[Bro Jangles]

OMG SO ugly!

[wildcat]

I have posted photos of shorty before; My intent when I built it was to eventually make it a SBR.

Also how many firearms have collapsible stocks?


In answer to the Q, slings are use to stabilize the pistol. The pistol is held away from the body limited by the sling, the force makes the pistol stable.

Mistake I made I built a 7.5 in. A 10.5 in would have been better, the sound suppressor on a 7.5 is longer than a 10.5s, basically making it the same length barrel.


So for CQC, a Shorty (SBR) beta C mag and a suppressor. Again C in "C"QC, is Close not long range.


The "pistol" designation allows normal ownership, a Class III License is needs to convert to a SBR.


They are really not very good pistols, they suck in the sense as being used as a pistol would be used. So a person has to develop a different technique.



can a forward grip be put on them.

I wished the MP5K was sold in the USA as a pistol (with out a butt stock).

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74547&stc=1&d=1242254120 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74547&stc=1&d=1242254120)

I want a shorty, with a 10.5 or even a 14.5 barrel.

[Sayeret]

can a forward grip be put on them.

I wished the MP5K was sold in the USA as a pistol (with out a butt stock).

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74547&stc=1&d=1242254120 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74547&stc=1&d=1242254120)

I want a shorty, with a 10.5 or even a 14.5 barrel.

If you add a forward vertical grip to the AR-15 pistol, it will make it into an Any Other Weapon (AOW). As a Title II weapon, you'll have to register it with the ATF and pay a "making tax".

[Bro Jangles]

can a forward grip be put on them.

I wished the MP5K was sold in the USA as a pistol (with out a butt stock).

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74547&stc=1&d=1242254120 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74547&stc=1&d=1242254120)

I want a shorty, with a 10.5 or even a 14.5 barrel.
Vector Arms makes them.

[wildcat]

Vector Arms makes them.
thanks looking them up.

[LineDoggie]

Imagine that a night. You atleast don't need a flashlight :)
Neither will the other guy if you dont get him first........

[Hollis]

thanks looking them up.


If you want a kit, try Florida Gun works, or google.

[DesertYote]

Vector Arms makes them.

Not sure how much business Vector is doing these days. I recall them running into some serious legal trouble back in early-mid 2008. Not sure what the outcome of that was, or if it's still being handled. Too bad, though - they had awesome customer service. Glad I got my UZI in December of '07!

'Yote

ETA - Checked around a bit on other forums - seems like there is still some life in Vector. Reported that they were catching up on some builds in mid-2008, as well as warranty work. So maybe I could be wrong! Let's hope so. :-)

[BrianT]

I'm curious as to how accurate an AR-15 pistol is for when I slap a buttstock on it and finally knock out that bank heist I've been talking about for so long. By the way, you could put a low-profile gas block and slap a 7" free float on it. That'd be badass. Someone do it so I can look at the pics.

[Dan2004]

I'm curious as to how accurate an AR-15 pistol is for when I slap a buttstock on it and finally knock out that bank heist I've been talking about for so long. By the way, you could put a low-profile gas block and slap a 7" free float on it. That'd be badass. Someone do it so I can look at the pics.

You're not doing it alone, are you?! That's at least a three man job: Minimum two shooters and a wheelman. p-)

[abu fahq]

I'm curious as to how accurate an AR-15 pistol is for when I slap a buttstock on it and finally knock out that bank heist I've been talking about for so long. By the way, you could put a low-profile gas block and slap a 7" free float on it. That'd be badass. Someone do it so I can look at the pics.

Didn't you guys already try that? p-)

[Pappy]

Didn't you guys already try that? p-)

That was 2nd Batt. Brian and the guys in 1st are going to try it with a twist... they'll be wearing flip flops because they just came from the beach. ;)

[BrianT]

You're not doing it alone, are you?! That's at least a three man job: Minimum two shooters and a wheelman. p-)Wheelman and a 4-man stack on the door of course.


That was 2nd Batt. Brian and the guys in 1st are going to try it with a twist... they'll be wearing flip flops because they just came from the beach. ;)
Exactly. We'll also have just came from downtown Savannah and be drunk off our asses except for our wheelman/DD of course. We wouldn't want him to be RFSed while performing a bank heist. We'll be sure to wear 1st Beach Battalion scrolls just so they know who did it because we won't be caught. Oh 2nd Batt...:roll: They apparently didn't watch HEAT enough...stolen vehicle...firebomb that ****.

FBI this is just in jest. Stop tapping my phone.

[Dan2004]

Wheelman and a 4-man stack on the door of course.

You might want a second vehicle and a perimeter team in case the law gets there early, and maybe something belt fed...

Don't worry, I know some guys. p-)

[Paulinski]

I see no need for AR style pistols for my application but I would love to have 7.5" MSTN build SBR. :)

[Eknytz]

Vector Arms makes them.
Do you have a link to the Vector Arms 89? I can't seem to find it with google.

[Bro Jangles]

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storecategory93.aspx

they got Vector and Vulcan hk 94 builds

[SonKev]

How accurate are AR-15 pistols? I've heard that the accuracy can be improved using a sling. Does adding a sling help much with accuracy?

http://www.olyarms.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/ar15-pistols/full-k23p.jpg


Also, I've seen some AR-15 pistosl with padded receiver extension tubes, like the one above, can that be used as a sort buttstock to improve accuracy?

This is the reason I couldnt buy my ar-15 stripped lower at the gun store...