View Full Version : the new europe: ireland and spain
acosta
05-14-2009, 09:08 AM
there are two countries in EU that has taken the lead in transformation in last 20 years. they used to be backward but now they are in the front line.
On the edge of a new Europe full of green energy advances, Spain is blowing through one landmark after another. This week, wind energy output in Spain surged to nearly half of the total national grid demand.
Spanish wind farms churned out 9,862 megawatts of electricity last Saturday, which combined with lower Easter holiday energy use to give wind a 40.8% share of all national consumption.
----key word: new and renewable energy.
Ireland, the "Celtic Tiger" has topped the world GDP per head and has the best performance for 20 yeaars among the original EU 15 member states. Between 2004 and 2007, the Irish economy generated roughly 90,000 new jobs annually, attracting over 200,000 foreign workers, mostly from the new EU member states, in an unprecedented immigration influx.
----key word: new tech and software, and breakthrough in national policy
these are examples that show the real rosy landscape for future europe, espectially backward eastern and southern neighbers in this continent.
acosta
05-14-2009, 09:15 AM
Iberdrola, this is a good name
gustav
05-14-2009, 09:25 AM
Ireland and Spain are bad examples. Their growth was in good part due to the housing market bubble, and now with the current crisis they are paying a heavy price for their handling of the economy.
There's still no real breakthrough in renewable energy.
Ordie
05-14-2009, 12:55 PM
I'm wondering where does Portugal fit into this equation? Given Brazil's economic status, I'm wondering if Portugal is it's EU conduit.
el borracho
05-14-2009, 12:59 PM
I don't think so. Brazil has been independent of Portugal for quite some time, and I don't just mean politically but economically as well. Portugal is also the poorest country in western Europe according to the last data I've read. I would guess that they get more residual benefits from Spain than Brazil.
Ordie
05-14-2009, 05:24 PM
I don't think so. Brazil has been independent of Portugal for quite some time, and I don't just mean politically but economically as well. Portugal is also the poorest country in western Europe according to the last data I've read. I would guess that they get more residual benefits from Spain than Brazil.
Judging by the number of daily flights between various cities in Brazil and Portugal, I assume there's more synergy between the two countries than suggest otherwise.
Kilgor
05-14-2009, 06:00 PM
Ireland, the "Celtic Tiger" has topped the world GDP per head and has the best performance for 20 yeaars among the original EU 15 member states. Between 2004 and 2007, the Irish economy generated roughly 90,000 new jobs annually, attracting over 200,000 foreign workers, mostly from the new EU member states, in an unprecedented immigration influx.
----key word: new tech and software, and breakthrough in national policy
these are examples that show the real rosy landscape for future europe, espectially backward eastern and southern neighbers in this continent.
are you on drugs ?
Ireland is in deep deep Sh1t
acosta
05-14-2009, 11:20 PM
yes, i doped, pretty much everyday. what the f%ck!
in what deep Sht? look at it from longer run, don't let this crisis blind your insight.
are you on drugs ?
Ireland is in deep deep Sh1t
futurepilot2004
05-15-2009, 01:15 AM
yes, i doped, pretty much everyday. what the f%ck!
in what deep Sht? look at it from longer run, don't let this crisis blind your insight.
Ireland is in deep sh1t alright. Predictions for the end of the year unemployment rate is 17%!!!
The celtic tiger is well and truly over. We had virtually no unemployment for the last 15 years and massive immigration as a result. Our economic growth was unsustainable and economists in Ireland and abroad have been warning about the collapse that we`re seeing now for years. Poor government policies along with banks giving massive amounts of credit to people have led to the collapse of the construction industry which fueled a large part of Irelands growth for the last 15-20 years.
Mr Gently Benevolent
05-15-2009, 01:38 AM
there are two countries in EU that has taken the lead in transformation in last 20 years. they used to be backward but now they are in the front line.
On the edge of a new Europe full of green energy advances, Spain is blowing through one landmark after another. This week, wind energy output in Spain surged to nearly half of the total national grid demand.
Spanish wind farms churned out 9,862 megawatts of electricity last Saturday, which combined with lower Easter holiday energy use to give wind a 40.8% share of all national consumption.
----key word: new and renewable energy.
Ireland, the "Celtic Tiger" has topped the world GDP per head and has the best performance for 20 yeaars among the original EU 15 member states. Between 2004 and 2007, the Irish economy generated roughly 90,000 new jobs annually, attracting over 200,000 foreign workers, mostly from the new EU member states, in an unprecedented immigration influx.
----key word: new tech and software, and breakthrough in national policy
these are examples that show the real rosy landscape for future europe, espectially backward eastern and southern neighbers in this continent.Spain is so bad at the moment I could not get one single UK bank to handle (factor) debt for exports there due to the huge number of defaults in Spain. This is not the sign of a booming economy old mate.:|
Flagg
05-15-2009, 02:36 AM
Good on Ireland and Spain for developing renewable energy and hopefully reducing their dependancy on unstable oil exporting regimes.
But what's been posted is true....Ireland and Spain are the two western European nations i the deepest pile of poo.
They are not going to recover anytime soon....and the bad news is not even close to being over.
Lancero
05-15-2009, 06:07 AM
I don't think so. Brazil has been independent of Portugal for quite some time, and I don't just mean politically but economically as well. Portugal is also the poorest country in western Europe according to the last data I've read. I would guess that they get more residual benefits from Spain than Brazil.
We get more benefits (and now troubles, with the crises) from Germany than from those two combined ;)
Edit: An example, data released today states that our GDP went down
3,7% on the first 3 months of this year - mainly because of the lack of exports to Germany.
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