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INAT
05-14-2009, 05:44 PM
On May 12 James Mattis, NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Transformation [ACT] and commander of the U.S. Joint Forces Command, spoke at a three-day symposium called Joint Warfighting 09 in Norfolk, Virginia, where NATO's Allied Command Transformation is based, and stated: "I come with a sense of urgency. The enemy is meeting like this as well." [1]

A local newspaper summarized his speech:

"Mattis outlined a future in which wars will not have clearly defined beginnings and ends. What is needed, he said, is a grand strategy, a political framework that can guide military planning." [2]

He failed, for what passes for diplomatic reasons no doubt, to identify who "the enemy" is, but a series of recent developments, or rather an intensification of ongoing ones, indicate which nation it is.

Last week the head of the U.S. Strategic Command, Gen. Kevin Chilton, told reporters during a Defense Writers Group breakfast on May 7 "that the White House retains the option to respond with physical force - potentially even using nuclear weapons - if a foreign entity conducts a disabling cyber attack against U.S. computer networks...."

An account of his talk added "the general insisted that all strike options, including nuclear, would remain available to the commander in chief in defending the nation from cyber strikes."

Chilton "said he could not rule out the possibility of a military salvo against a nation like China, even though Beijing has nuclear arms," [3] though the likely first target of alleged retaliation against equally alleged cyber attacks would be another nation already identified by US military officials as such: Russia.

In late April and early May of 2007 the government of Estonia, which was inducted into NATO in 2004 and whose president was and remains Toomas Hendrik Ilves, born in Sweden and raised in the United States (where he worked for Radio Free Europe), reported attacks on websites in the country which were blamed on Russia.

Over two years later no evidence has been presented to substantiate the claim that Russian hackers, much less the government itself, were behind the attacks, though it remains an article of faith among US and other Western officials and media that they were.

The response from American authorities in the first place was so sudden and severe, even before investigations were conducted, as to strongly suggest that if the attacks hadn't been staged they would need to be invented.

Right afterward Secretary of the Air Force Michael W. Wynne stated, "Russia, our Cold War nemesis, seems to have been the first to engage in cyber warfare."

The US Air Force news source from which the above is quoted added that the events in Estonia days earlier "did start a series of debates within NATO and the EU about the definition of clear military action and it may be the first test of the applicability of Article V of the NATO charter regarding collective self-defense in the non-kinetic realm." [4]

NATO's Article 5 is a collective military defense provision, in fact a war clause, one which first and to date for the only time has been used to support the protracted and escalating war in Afghanistan.

References to it, then, are not to be taken lightly.

On a visit to Estonia last November Pentagon chief Robert Gates met with the country's prime minister, Andrus Ansip, and "discussed Russian behavior and new cooperation on cyber security...."

It was reported that "Ansip said NATO will operate under the principle of Article 5 of the alliance's treaty, which states that an attack on one ally is treated as an attack on all," and "We are convinced that Estonia, as a member of NATO, will be very well defended.”[5]

That the repeated mention of NATO's Article 5 continued a year and a half after the alleged cyber attacks when none had occurred in the interim is revealing.

At the beginning of this month the Pentagon announced that it was launching what it called a "digital warfare force for the future," at Fort Meade in Maryland under the control of the U.S. Strategic Command, whose chief, Gen. Kevin Chilton, was quoted earlier as threatening the use of force up to and including nuclear weapons.

The initiative was characterized in a news report as follows:

"Lt. Gen. Keith Alexander, also the Pentagon's leading cyber warfare commander, said the U.S. is determined to lead the global effort to use computer technology to deter or defeat enemies...." [6]

The Pentagon is a synecdoche for the Department of Defense and everything related to its activities is cloaked in the same euphemism, so when pressed the US will insist its new cyber warfare project is intended for defensive purposes only. Any nation which and people who have been on the receiving end of US Defense Department actions know better. The new US cyber warfare command, its rationale based on a supposed Russian threat emanating from a non-military incident in the Baltics over two years ago, will be used to cripple the computer systems of any nation targeted for direct military assault, thus rendering them defenseless, and will be particularly effective for space-based and Star Wars (missile shield, interceptor missiles) first strike plans.

On the same day the report of General Alexander's pledge to "defeat enemies" appeared another news item reported that "A quasi-classified satellite that will serve as an engineering trailblazer for ballistic missile tracking technologies flew into space Tuesday [May 12]." [7]

It was a Space Tracking and Surveillance System Advanced Technology Risk Reduction (STSS-ATRR) satellite, which "is part of a space-based system for the Missile Defense Agency.

"Sensors aboard the STSS-ATRR satellite and on the ground will communicate with other systems to defend against incoming ballistic missiles." [8]

A few days earlier the California-based manufacturer Ducommun in a news report titled Ducommun Incorporated Announces Delivery of Nanosatellites to U.S. Army Space and Missile Defense Command announced that "its Miltec Corporation subsidiary delivered flight-ready nanosatellites to the U.S. Army pace and Missile Defense Command/Army Forces Strategic Command (USASMDC/ARSTRAT) in Huntsville, Alabama on April 28, 2009."

The delivery was "the completion of the first U.S. Army satellite development program since the Courier 1B communications satellite in 1960."[9]

Military satellites used for neutralizing the potential of a rival nation not so much to launch a first strike but to respond to one blur the distinction between so-called Son of Star Wars missile shield projects and full-fledged militarization of space.

A recent Russian commentary saw it in just that manner:

"Withdrawal from the 1972 ABM Treaty signified a switch to the testing and deployment of a global missile defense system, with a view to fully removing the deterrent potential of China, and partially that of Russia.

"Washington [is] still trying to eliminate international legal restrictions on the formation of a system, which would theoretically make it invulnerable towards an act of retaliation, and even a launch-under-attack strike." [10]

Added to which is another "quasi-classified" subterfuge related to a prospective resumption of Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) talks between the US And Russia.

American Assistant Secretary of State Rose Gottemoeller stated this week "that the US is not prepared to cut warheads removed from delivery means and kept in storage." [11]

So in addition to US plans to deploy ground-, sea-, air- and space-based anti-missile systems primarily around and against Russia (Poland, the Czech Republic, Norway, Britain, Japan and Alaska to date), the Pentagon will hold in reserve nuclear warheads for activation without a monitoring mechanism provided to Russian inspectors and arms reduction negotiators.

On May 6 Euronews conducted an interview with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, who warned, "The way it [the US anti-ballistic missile shield] is designed has nothing to do with Iran's nuclear program. It is aimed at Russian strategic forces, deployed in the European part of the Russian Federation." [12]

To add to the concerns of Russia and other nations, On April 30 the US established a Navy Air and Missile Defense Command (NAMDC) at the Naval Support Facility at Dahlgren, Virginia.

"NAMDC is the lead organization for Navy, joint and combined Integrated Air and Missile Defense (IAMD). NAMDC serves as the single warfare center of excellence to synchronize and integrate Navy efforts across the full spectrum of air and missile defense to include air defense, cruise missile defense and ballistic missile defense." [13]

The past two weeks has been a fertile period for stories in this vein and, to bring attention nearer the Earth, the US-based Strategy Page reported from a Russian source that "The United States has bought two Su-27 fighter jets from Ukraine" to "be used to train American military pilots, who may face opponents in them" and that the "US military will use them to test its radar and electronic warfare equipment." [14]

This was at the very moment that the US client in Ukraine, President Viktor Yushchenko, his national poll ratings plummeting to near 1%, signed a directive to prepare for full NATO membership and a few days after a US military delegation visited the country to inspect a tank unit and to plan "reforming the system of combat training...." [15]

In terms of US training for warfare against the Russian Air Force, the Ukrainian development is only the latest in a number of such activities.

Immediately following the nation becoming a full member of NATO, the US 81st Fighter Squadron flew to Constanta, Romania (in which nation the Pentagon has acquired four new bases since) to engage in combat training against Russian MiG-21s.

According to one US pilot present, “It was pretty neat - you're sitting in a MiG-21 that will be airborne with a MiG-21 pilot within days. This was an arm of the Soviet Union. These pilots were flying before the Soviet Union fell. They have quite a bit of perspective.” [16]

In July of the next year the US 492nd Fighter Squadron was deployed to the Graf Ignatievo Air Base in neighoring Bulgaria to insure the opportunity for "Air Forces from multiple nations to learn about each other's aircraft tactics and capabilities.

"The pilots of the F-15E Strike Eagles and the MIG-29s and MIG-21s are sharing knowledge of aircraft and tactics as the exercise wraps up its first week of training."

A US Air Force colonel was quoted as saying, “Only two of the 38 aircrew members have had a chance to fly against MIGs. By the time the exercise is over, everyone will have had a chance to either fly in a MIG or fly against one.” [17]

A month afterward the US Air Force 22nd Expeditionary Fighter Squadron arrived in Romania for the Viper Lance exercises which "marked the first time U.S. F-16 pilots have trained in Romania" and "where "MiG-21 and F-16 pilots [flew] integrated formations to conduct basic fighter maneuvers, dissimilar air combat training and air-to-ground strike missions...." [18]

This time the quote is from an F-16 Fighting Falcon pilot:

"My flight in the backseat of a Lancer [MiG-21] is a good opportunity to look at different aircraft and it's a real privilege and an honor. I want to see what they see from their cockpit, and view a new angle of understanding against our adversaries." [19]

Two weeks ago a US Air Force fighter squadron flew to the Bezmer Air Base in Bulgaria where an American airman said, "This is the first time a USAFE [United States Air Forces in Europe] fighter squadron has deployed to this location....The most rewarding part of this experience is knowing that I am helping the pilots train for war." [20]

To prepare the US for air combat against the full range of Russian military aircraft, India was invited to the annual Red Flag air combat exercises in Alaska in 2007, war games "meant to train pilots from the US, NATO and other allied countries for real combat situations.

"This includes the use of 'enemy' hardware and live ammunition for bombing exercises." [21]

India provided six Sukhoi SU-30MKI fighters which were "particularly interesting to the exercise as [they are] Russian-made, thus
traditionally considered 'hostile.'" [22]

May 1st, on the occasion of the Czech Republic taking over the six-month NATO air patrol rotation in the Baltic skies over Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania - five minutes flight from Russia's second largest city of St. Petersburg - a Czech official boasted "The area we are protecting is about three times larger than that of the Czech Republic. This is a NATO outpost."

Lithuanian Air Force Commander Arturas Leita announced that "the Baltic countries would probably ask for the prolongation of the air force mission within NATO until 2018." [23]

From June 8-16 Sweden will host a NATO drill, Loyal Arrow, described as "biggest air force drill ever in the Finnish-Swedish Bothnian Bay," [24], also not far from St. Petersburg, with a British aircraft carrier and more than 50 fighter jets participating.

That exercise will begin exactly a week after the US-led NATO Cooperative Lancer 09 war games end in Georgia on Russia's southern flank.

In speaking of the dangers of the last-named but with equal application to all that has preceded it, the South Ossetian Ministry for Press and Mass Media website recently quoted political scientist Irina Kadzhaev as warning:

"Today the situation is much more serious than before August 2008. The then threat endangered only South Ossetia and Abkhazia, but after Russia's recognition of these states' independence and the conclusion of agreements envisaging the presence of Russian armed forces on their territories, a possible recurrence of war will not be limited to the Caucasus.

"The new President of the United States did not bring about any crucial changes in relation to Georgia, but having a dominant role in NATO he still insists on Georgia's soonest joining of the Alliance. If it happens, the world would face a more serious threat than the crises of the Cold War.

"Under the new realities, Georgia's war against South Ossetia may easily turn into NATO's war against Russia. This would be a third world war."[25]
www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13614 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13614)

Why are we intent on WWIII? And who are the people pushing us towards war?

dindin
05-14-2009, 05:46 PM
great post

BloodyTalon
05-14-2009, 05:49 PM
cool story, bro

click
05-14-2009, 05:51 PM
cool story, bro.

cool story, bro

MaverickCowboy
05-14-2009, 06:10 PM
cool story, bro

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awesome story, bro

Kilgor
05-14-2009, 06:15 PM
Is Russia missing out on the spotlight ?

Global Islamic terrorism, a collapsing economy, massive foreign debt, etc... im sorry Russia, your far back in the queue of importance.

pimabread
05-14-2009, 07:19 PM
well that's scary as **** because they have WMD's and we do also which is mind boggling because it could screw us over on both sides

SupaDupaTank
05-14-2009, 07:33 PM
Dear Lord we all gonna die!
http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/shocked-woman_~AA039975.jpg

deagle
05-14-2009, 09:44 PM
shouldn't the pentagon worry about the war in iraq ?

and afghanistan ?

and elsewhere abroad ?

GazB
05-14-2009, 10:11 PM
shouldn't the pentagon worry about the war in iraq ?

and afghanistan ?

and elsewhere abroad ?

When the only tool you have is a hammer you have to keep looking for problems that can be treated like nails. NATO is designed to fight the Russians. They are not interested in Guerilla wars because you can't justify anti satellite weapons and F-22 stealth fighters to fight Guerillas.

BloodyTalon
05-14-2009, 10:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xx4tszZ-DE

/thread

Jiggy
05-14-2009, 10:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xx4tszZ-DE

/thread

lmao.........

Snoshi
05-14-2009, 11:14 PM
Do not post anything from globalsearch.ca.. Please

Midav
05-14-2009, 11:17 PM
When the only tool you have is a hammer you have to keep looking for problems that can be treated like nails. NATO is designed to fight the Russians. They are not interested in Guerilla wars because you can't justify anti satellite weapons and F-22 stealth fighters to fight Guerillas.

Technology over the ages has progressed regardless who the enemy is perceived to be. The press does not as much target Russia as it does, for instance, China. It even brings up Chinese ASAT tech from time to time, again, China, not so much Russia.

If a war breaks because of Georgia, most of NATO would probably crumble anyway. To me, this report is nothing but sensationalist reporting...

NATO is advancing eastward. I personally think NATO is archaic and should give way to a more modern organization because as you have said, it was created to fight the Soviet Union. That ideology is outdated and more people, the younger generation from both sides, realize that. However, you still have an older generation...

That said older generation is also in charge of its people... be it from the Baltic states, to eastern Europe to the Caucas region. They remember the Soviet Union. Let's face it... when the cold war was in full motion, there was only self interest involved from both sides. When I lived in Europe and traveled to eastern Europe I didn't give a rats ass about politics. Yet, time and time again I heard stories from the people on how much they hated the Soviet Union and how they resented the politics. They resented not being able to choose their own governments, they resented having to learn Russian, they resented being a buffer, they resented the whole cold war...

It's not that they hated Russians (well, the majority didn't) they hated the Soviet government.

Now it's coming back to not just haunt the Russian government, but also, in all reality, the west.

My personal opinion is that it's sad and we all need to look forward, not backward.

Just my $0.02

Breerman
05-14-2009, 11:34 PM
Over two years later no evidence has been presented to substantiate the claim that Russian hackers, much less the government itself, were behind the attacks, though it remains an article of faith among US and other Western officials and media that they were.
"Article of faith"...

wat

angry cow
05-15-2009, 05:53 AM
shouldn't the pentagon worry about the war in iraq ?

and afghanistan ?

and elsewhere abroad ?

and those shifty Canadians.


Seriously, Russia is at the same level as North Korea as far as sabre rattling is concerned. Our hands are kind of full at the moment dudes. And frankly, you just don't matter anymore.

BrownCan
05-15-2009, 08:33 AM
I thought it was an April fool joke. But don't you think these kind of meetings were part of "cold war" era and even now days. Nothing has changed except some faces.

xav
05-15-2009, 08:42 AM
ed Joint Warfighting 09 in Norfolk, Virginia, where NATO's Allied Command Transformation is based

A French General is in command of ATC now... as a result of France fully getting back into NATO.

KilRemgor
05-15-2009, 08:54 AM
angry cow (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=2467)> The problem is, US has done far more steps that could be considered endangering Russia than vice-versa.
So blaming Russia for sable-rattling is hypocrisy at its finest.

What matters most is the global energy question. For simple info, US' cheap oil sources will be all exhausted in 7 years. Russia's in around 20. When US' cheap domestic oil runs out in those 7 years (given that US is 1st largest, with huge lead, consumer and 3rd-largest producer), the oil, and resources linked to it, will get very expensive (as they will have to be mined from far more expensive sources, like shale oil). And transition to green energy will get extremely painful.

Resources are West's weakness. US produces huge amount of oil, while having very small 'cheap' reserves of it, and consuming 21 million bbl/day - 6 times more than Russia or Sauidi Arabia. And both US and Europe have to continue economic growth to preserve their power. Without that growth, there will be stagnation, over-consumption, and that will lead to ascent of Asian powers which still have huge capacity for growth.

Unless US can coerce most of oil producers into keeping prices low-to-medium while expanding production, and grab even larger share of energy market (as well as pushing for 'green energy' even in cases where it's not really effective), world economy will crush worser than any financial crisis could've done - that would be the system-wide death of the whole growth model.

Given every government is pretty much aware of that, no wonder there could be very serious conflicts started by US in attempt to prevent the scenario above. It may feel strange, but in fact US is in race against the time. Just looking on stats for growth rates, resources production/consumption/reserves can show that in about 20 years US may (and likely will) lose its hyperpower status if current trends continue as is; no conspiracy theories needed, just basic logic and stats. So either a reform or war could be used by US to prevent that... and for those things results are hard to predict.

magicman
05-15-2009, 10:42 AM
sounds like the movie "Wargames"

cbreedon
05-15-2009, 12:00 PM
What matters most is the global energy question. For simple info, US' cheap oil sources will be all exhausted in 7 years. Russia's in around 20. When US' cheap domestic oil runs out in those 7 years (given that US is 1st largest, with huge lead, consumer and 3rd-largest producer), the oil, and resources linked to it, will get very expensive (as they will have to be mined from far more expensive sources, like shale oil). And transition to green energy will get extremely painful.


Do you honestly believe we will be out of oil in 7 years and the Russians in 20????

Please.... There have been studies since the early 1900's saying we will be out of oil in 20 years and low and behold, we still have the stuff.:bash:

Back to topic, I am sure the US has contingency plans to fight every country on the planet, no that it'll happen but 'just in case' and so do most other countries... can't see this as news.

KilRemgor
05-15-2009, 12:37 PM
cbreedon (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=2641)> I'm not saying 'out of oil', I said 'out of cheap oil sources'.
Looking at CIA World Factbok (or similar sources):

US has around 20 billion bbl of cheap oil sources.
US consumes 7.5 billion bll of oil per year.
US produces around 3 bilion bbl of oil per year (the rest, 4.5 billion bbl of consumption, is imported)

If those values are not enough, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Proven_Oil_Reserves_1900_to_2005.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Oil_Production_and_Imports_1920_to_2005.png
exactly from 1900s as you may see.

Oil production in US is falling, starting from 70's.
Cheap oil sources will be over in 7-10 years.
Oil consumption in US is either rising or staying roughly the same.

When you combine the three points...
isn't the problem self-evident?

US is using up the resources that gets more and more scarce in the world at increased rate. Technically, US + Europe + Japan is more than half of world's oil consumption. And China uses more and more oil as time passes.
And soon the cheap oil reserves run out in US. That would mean, if consumption stays roughly the same, US will have to either import even more oil or mine it from expensive sources like shale oil. Thus, oil price will, in market terms, went up a lot. So will gasoline cost, industrial output cost, etc. etc. That will stop the economy growth in US and Europe. Allowing China and other Asian powers, who would enjoy cheap/huge workforce benefits, and oil producers, who would enjoy high oil price, to overtake US' economic power in around a decade, shifting the world economy to East.

So what US should do? There are 3 points listed above, and so, 3 approaches:
1) Promote 'green energy' as replacement for oil production. Still, the problem of cars... But maybe, some 'thermonuclear energy' like 'cold fusion' could help?
2) Grab more oil sources. Use force as most are already taken. Arctic, maybe.
3) Attack others both militarily and economically, to strangulate oil producers and make them sell oil cheap even if real prices could be way higher. Well, examples are obvious...

US and oil is complex matter. But, as one can see from the graphs and data, time for delaying this problem is over. In few years, unless something or all of the above is done, the 'oil backlash' will hit the US pretty hard, unless US gives up on being a hyperpower by cutting military expenses, freeing markets, etc.
And the options available to US (and West in general) to prevent this are quite violent ones.
Ironically, if there was no Cold War, the problem could've been safely resolved decades ago. But Cold War expenses prevented West from giving much focus to solving the oil problem, focusing on USSR problem at hand... and now the consequences are striking back.
That's why energy wars and conflicts are possible. They may be not related to Russia, but ME and Arctic are likely zones for those.
Energy conflicts could be prevented if US and West invest much into forcefully restruturing the economy to fix the oil demand problem; while this can work, China and Asian powers will again benefit for obvious reasons - that's a logic fork. So, either US will have to use more violent economic and military attacks, or give up on supremacy ideas and establish pertnerships with East powers as equals.

lightfire
05-15-2009, 12:43 PM
Seriously, the conclusions are just too far fetched.. Training for various possible threats - that's what every country ever does. Russia is no exception and one might think it's exercises are meant to prepare for the invasion. The scenarios of latest big exercises is always the same - someone attacks ze motherland or a good friend and Russians strike back untimely crushing the invader. No big deal, although one russian comic once said, that one should be more afraid of Russians during exercises, rather than of realm invasion. Who knows where drunk Ivan will stop during training.

BloodyTalon
05-15-2009, 12:53 PM
Do you honestly believe we will be out of oil in 7 years and the Russians in 20????

Please.... There have been studies since the early 1900's saying we will be out of oil in 20 years and low and behold, we still have the stuff.:bash:

Back to topic, I am sure the US has contingency plans to fight every country on the planet, no that it'll happen but 'just in case' and so do most other countries... can't see this as news.
X2. Hell,we have contingency plans in case of a war between Canada and an insurrection by the Girl Scouts. Of course we're going to have a few contingency plans floating around the pentagon about a theoretical war against Russia.

But of course, the always-paranoid russophiles here are so dead-set on the belief that the US (and to an extent Europe), are plotting to take over their glorious motherland that they're willing to except anything that supports this delusion, even an article from a website that is only slightly more credible than PrisonPlanet yet less credible than the Onion.