Ruger Enters the AR Market...

[scrybe]

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5715/rugerej.jpg

Info on the site: http://www.ruger.com/SR556/index.html



Hate it or love it, Ruger entering the AR market hopefully brings a lot more lobbying dollars and industry reputation to the battle against another assault weapons ban.

[Skutatos]

Not hating on Ruger or anything...but how many goddamned times is the AR going to be "REDEFINED"...

[Yarrick2]

is going to ship with a ten round magazine? or have Ruger realized that the general populace can be trusted with standard capacity mags?

[wildcat]

very cool, glade they are in, like to see reviews now, to see if the piston system is worth it.

[jagermeister]

For me thats hands down the best out of the box AR15 I've ever seen.

[scrybe]

Yea, but note the suggested retail price is $1,995. :|

[BlackFlag]

Wonder if this means they will halt production on the Mini-14?

Anyways, I am a pretty big fan of Ruger, you can't beat the reliability of a good Super Redhawk or M77. I'm sure it will be a great seller in the AR15 market.

EDIT: Does anyone know if they will manufacture their own lowers?

[BlackFlag]

Yea, but note the suggested retail price is $1,995. :|

I wonder how much just an upper could cost.

[Troubadour]

I am okay with something that fancy. I just need the essentials please.

[Bro Jangles]

is going to ship with a ten round magazine? or have Ruger realized that the general populace can be trusted with standard capacity mags?
It ships with 3 Pmags. Today i was waiting for the announcement at work, i think it is a damn sexy rifle. but 2 grand, damn. how much without the troy rail, and sight?

[Kilo1-1]

Hm, price is a bit high, it's the same price as a LMT piston AR. Whose piston system it using? I'm guessing either PWS or Adams Arms? The bolt carrier looks like it's anti-tilt as well.

[Valkyries]

just saw that at the NRA meeting in Phoenix this morning

[wildcat]

so many question to be answered

[BrianT]

Uh they like integrated the gas block into the rail. That's sexy. How long is that rail?

[oldsoak]

Goes to show the AR was a pretty good design , eh ? looks like its going to be around a long time.
OOI, did any the big boys in the US do anything based on a Kalishnikov action ?

[11 Bravo]

Goes to show the AR was a pretty good design , eh ? looks like its going to be around a long time.
OOI, did any the big boys in the US do anything based on a Kalishnikov action ?

Never have seen anything like this with the AK/AKM'S in the USA. The AK system is a very reliable bullet hose , but that's just it... a bullet hose. Plus the AK is just not armchair commando way cool and lacks all the add on bells and whistles , giggity giggity !.

[gaijinsamurai]

Never have seen anything like this with the AK/AKM'S in the USA. The AK system is a very reliable bullet hose , but that's just it... a bullet hose. Plus the AK is just not armchair commando way cool and lacks all the add on bells and whistles , giggity giggity !.

Well said, 11B.


Even though the suggested retail price is too expensive for me, I like the fact that the trend towards piston gas systems is moving forward.

Also, the more ARs being manufactured, the better for us consumers (the whole supply/demand thing, from Econ101!).

I'd also like to see more manufacturers of firearms and ammo putting out the 6.8 caliber.

[Arnie100]

That wouldn't be such a bad idea! I also wouldn't mind seeing it in 7.62NATO!

[Zarak]

For anyone without the name Ruger's got getting into the AR business would be retarded. There are more AR manufacturers than there are Starbucks in Seattle.

But everyone loves Ruger. ;)

[Bro Jangles]

There are more AR manufacturers than there are Starbucks in Seattle.

there will never be that many AR makers. i drive by 5 starbucks to get to the starbucks i go to while at work.

[Zarak]

there will never be that many AR makers. i drive by 5 starbucks to get to the starbucks i go to while at work.

Its a figure of speech.

[Bro Jangles]

Its a figure of speech.
im well aware of that.

i wonder if Ruger will sell stand alone Uppers.

[scrybe]

But everyone loves Ruger. ;)

Actually there is a very large portion of gun nuts that despise Ruger.

[bababooey]

Actually there is a very large portion of gun nuts that despise Ruger.

I resemble that remark. I had a Ruger P-90 and a Mini-14. Both couldn't group worth shiite.

[Geezah]

Mini-14 isn't known for being overly accurate at distances. Now the 10/22 is super duper, it's like Lego. I just wish the 77/22 wasn't so bloody expensive that I ended up getting a Savage 22LR instead.

[Karaahmetoglu]

I have been meaning to ask people, how are Ruger 9mm/.45 pistols? I.E The Sr9, P-series etc. Not that I want to buy one because I rarely see those things.

[Hollis]

Mini-14 isn't known for being overly accurate at distances. Now the 10/22 is super duper, it's like Lego. I just wish the 77/22 wasn't so bloody expensive that I ended up getting a Savage 22LR instead.


I don't know about the 10/22. A person buys the rifle, let's say $200. Then throws in hundreds more. New barrel, new stock, new trigger assy, etc.

Maybe it would be cheaper to buy a Kimber target .22 instead.

I bought two new ones for my kids. The triggers on both were horrible.

On a scale 1 to 10, 1 being the best, 10 being the worse.

One was a 9.

The other was a 15.

Mini 14 are neat rifles and you are right, one should never say mini 14 and accuracy in the same sentence.

I think Ruger has been living on it's reputation, rather than it's current quality of work.

Also someone mentioned that there is a a recall on this new innovation to the AR design. rofl

[Irons]

A 10/22 has only one purpose in my estimation, and that is to plink those nasty-a*s moss back snappers that eat all your fish in the stock tank. It's good enough, and accurate enough to sink those turtle subs. Awooga! Awooga! Dive! Dive! :)

[Geezah]

I don't know about the 10/22. A person buys the rifle, let's say $200. Then throws in hundreds more. New barrel, new stock, new trigger assy, etc.

Hence the reference to Legop-), but you are very correct, you sink loads of money into a 10/22 with aftermarket products.

I love mine, but maybe that's because it only cost me $75 used, then I have no idea how much more I have sunk into it.

[Irons]

Doesn't matter Geezah, a 10/22 is project gun. It's what you do when you're bored. There is a place in this world for that. Think of all the guys who drop tons of cash building a Hot Rod, or a backyard Deck that they will almost never use. Hey, it beats leaving the expendable "fun" cash around just so the wife can use it up on "stupid stuff." And since you're only spending a little money at a time, you can get it all past her without her knowing. Then you've got a 600 dollar Turtle Plinker, and you had fun putting it together.

I do agree however that Rugar, as well as most of the majors have been coasting on their names for a long, long time. I wouldn't be interested in an AR from them myself, but don't bring that money-pit called a 10/22 into this. That's just a whole 'nother ball park. They ARE fun to mess around with. :)

[Hollis]

Doesn't matter Geezah, a 10/22 is project gun. It's what you do when you're bored. There is a place in this world for that. Think of all the guys who drop tons of cash building a Hot Rod, or a backyard Deck that they will almost never use. Hey, it beats leaving the expendable "fun" cash around just so the wife can use it up on "stupid stuff." And since you're only spending a little money at a time, you can get it all past her without her knowing. Then you've got a 600 dollar Turtle Plinker, and you had fun putting it together.

I do agree however that Rugar, as well as most of the majors have been coasting on their names for a long, long time. I wouldn't be interested in an AR from them myself, but don't bring that money-pit called a 10/22 into this. That's just a whole 'nother ball park. They ARE fun to mess around with. :)


Good point, for some guys it is not the rifle it is the build, the doing it.

I like my 10/22. I have a old one, that I picked up on trade. Shot ok. Daughter and I was shooting it and about every 7th round would not completely eject from the action. I figured, it needed a good cleaning so it would completely be ejected from the action.

Taking it apart I was amazed, it was missing the extractor. It extracted 100% of the time, it just didn't complete eject the spent case from the action in about 1 in 7 time.

Maybe the Monday morning and Friday production runs are to be avoided.

[Irons]

10/22's are weird like that. I've never run into what your talking about with regards to an extractor, but the 1 in 7 thing (or one in 2, 10, 25 depending upon magazine) I have seen that a bunch. I have one that won't shoot Remington ammo, but will shoot any other brand all day long with no problems. A friend of mine has one and it's the exact opposite. I've given up trying to figure that one out.

I really think the "Hot Rod" thing applies best to them. They are pains in the butt, they cost too much, you'll never get your cash back out of them--and most certainly not your sweat equity--but almost everyone has one, they are good conversation pieces, you can "lego" them as Geezah so appropriatly said; they're just something you do so that you can "b*tch" about doing it, and when they do work right you're so thrilled that you get stupid and forget all the lessons and keep going back to them. LOL, I dunno. It's all love/hate with them I guess.

[Geezah]

Mine shoots great, granted I have a BC heavy fluted barrel, BC free floating stock, Power Custom Hammer and Sear replacement kit, I have also replaced the extractor, springs and what not with new factory parts.
It's right where I want it and it goes bang every time I pull the trigger unless ammo or mag related. It was my fun gun for a long time and it has been known for me to spend 6hrs at the range with just this firearm, but we all know how favorites work;)

[SMGLee]

This is expected, Ruger has been one of the largest and most unknown AR component manufacture in the country. They are currently the prime contractor for SW MP15....you are basically looking at a MP15T with a Ruger design piston. I would not be surprise neither to see a MP15 with this piston design.....

Bushmaster has also known to have sourced pargts from Ruger also....

[Irons]

SMGLee, I got a "sh*tty possum" a week ago, at about 200 yds.--head shot-- with that scope you directed me to. It was on my Bushy. Thanks. What parts has Bushmaster been known to use from Ruger? Now I'm kinda ill-at-ease. I'm not a Ruger fan except for their Vaquero, and even then it needs a bunch of work first.

[hsh2]

I'd also like to see more manufacturers of firearms and ammo putting out the 6.8 caliber.

Wouldn't something smaller in diameter than 5.56mm be the natural trend?

Intl conventions aside, I'd be curious as to what could be done in term of sheer bullet design. I dunno maybe a little nosecone similar to a Shkval torpedo?
I find it hard to believe that an ellispoid "spike" is the be all end all of bullet design...especially when you look at missiles that went from spiky to round to edgy (I know: massive oversimplification...but the point remains).

[victor1-1actual]

the flash supressor looks very AC556ish

[Geezah]

the flash supressor looks very AC556ish

Is it a Flash Hider or Brake? Looks alot like the brake I had fitted during the AWB on my M4gery.

[Hammer27]

Its always good to see another AR maker and a piston driven one is just that much better. 10/22 is fun, good gun for those just getting into it and for projects. Mini-14 is a bit pointless in my view; if you want that action get it in 7.62NATO the way it should be and if you want 5.56NATO get an AR.

[gaijinsamurai]

^ Agreed. My first semi-auto centerfire rifle was a Mini-14, purchased when I was 18. It was fun for a little while, but I soon became enchanted with "real" military-type rifles, and was no longer content.

[gaijinsamurai]

Wouldn't something smaller in diameter than 5.56mm be the natural trend?



From what I've heard and read, it doesn't seem that way. I don't know how you could go much smaller than 5.56/.223, and still have an effective round against personnel, vehicles, etc.

[Lazuris]

I saw it in person last friday at the NRA show. Its nice but there were to many people milling about to play with it to much, and after standing around for 2 hours just to register for the show my play time was reduced. It looked ok but me and my buddy liked playing with the scar at the FN booth so much we went and bought one. We left the show early and spent the rest of the day trying to make the scar fail. :)

I found a review of the ruger here http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-SR556.htm

I like these guys as they do a rather complete review and they look like they are having fun doing it.

As far as the SCAR goes its a great gun. I couldn't believe how light it was and it not front heavy like the sig. We put over 400 rounds through it in Arazona heat and only had issues tword the end. We ran 200+ rounds of m855 through it not a hickup, and it ran nice and cool. Then we ran a mix of stuff through it, adcom, TAP, some re-loads and some new wolf. There was some older wolf, the laquered stuff, that did cause the gun to fail. By then it was hot and the laquer was sticking upon extraction.

I really enjoyed the way it shot. You could "feel" the piston tracking after each shot and it caused the muzzle to drop after each shot allowing you to stay on target better. Also there was no and I mean no recoil. We ran the charging handle on the left side but think I might like it better on the right. The stock is sturdy and easy to adjust and I like the cheek weld it has. Its an awesome gun and I think its going to do well.

[Geezah]

As far as the SCAR goes its a great gun. I couldn't believe how light it was and it not front heavy like the sig. We put over 400 rounds through it in Arazona heat and only had issues tword the end. We ran 200+ rounds of m855 through it not a hickup, and it ran nice and cool. Then we ran a mix of stuff through it, adcom, TAP, some re-loads and some new wolf. There was some older wolf, the laquered stuff, that did cause the gun to fail. By then it was hot and the laquer was sticking upon extraction.

I really enjoyed the way it shot. You could "feel" the piston tracking after each shot and it caused the muzzle to drop after each shot allowing you to stay on target better. Also there was no and I mean no recoil. We ran the charging handle on the left side but think I might like it better on the right. The stock is sturdy and easy to adjust and I like the cheek weld it has. Its an awesome gun and I think its going to do well.

Pics or it didn't happen?p-)

[TDuck]

Hence the reference to Legop-), but you are very correct, you sink loads of money into a 10/22 with aftermarket products.
Which is why I call mine the urban assault rifle. I was thinking of buying the MG-42 stock kit from The Sportsman Guide to dress it up. :)

[Geezah]

Which is why I call mine the urban assault rifle. I was thinking of buying the MG-42 stock kit from The Sportsman Guide to dress it up. :)

Don't waste your money, my brothers friend did and he regretted the purchase. The plastic felt cheap and nasty.

[victor1-1actual]

Is it a Flash Hider or Brake? Looks alot like the brake I had fitted during the AWB on my M4gery.

pretty sure its a flash hider

[Bro Jangles]

pretty sure its a flash hider
according to Ruger its the same as the AC556