Saddam's Sons Uday, Qusay Possibly Killed in U.S. Raid

[Seraphim]

http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=world&cat=iraq

http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?vts=072220030935

woot

[usa320]

*APPLAUSE ERUPTS IN THE CROWD*

woot

:bash:

Its about time justice caught up with them for their sick and preverted ways.

[budanski]

Uday, Qusay

Saddam's biological weapons the world is glad to rid of.

[duck]

Two generations killed in the same raid, also Qusais teenager son was among the dead. Only one generation remains.

[duck]

Apparently the compound defended by some 10 iraqis was assaulted by 200 soldiers from the 101st division and conquered after a four hour battle. The assault itself was preceded by rocket/missile fire from helicopter gunships.

[Argyll]

This is a real morale booster for the Coalition.............well done to all who participated!!

[Trigger]

I don't normally say this but BOOYAH!!!

[martinexsquaddie]

2 down one to go good work :lol:

[He219]

As yet, Unconfirmed.......



At a Mosul villa shattered by a four-hour barrage of U.S. rocket and machinegun fire, soldiers of the 101st Airborne Division told ******* they had removed four charred bodies for identification.

In Washington, an official said two bodies bore a "strong resemblance" to the men many Iraqis learned to fear and hate as much as their father

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=578&u=/nm/20030722/ts_nm/iraq_dc&ncid=578

Hmm, the 'charred' bodies bore a resemblance to their father... We'll have to wait few weeks for DNA testing to know for sure.

[Spearin]

What comes to my mind, is what were they doing together in Iraq (if it was them)?

Wouldn't one assume that they would do all they could to flee the country as well as seperate from each other?

[Gordon]

Not if they're involved in some way with the resistance there. I mean alot of people seem to presume that all the Iraqi bosses are cowards who have legged it with all the cash ... of course this may be the case but maybe they want to have a crack at the coalition forces as much the next fundamentalist.

[He219]

The greatest base of support they would have is within their own country amongst sympathetic followers. Remember that they are wanted in many countries and foreign pressure would weigh escape to Syria an improbable course. The Bath Party there may be related, but by no means would they jepardise their own well being by sheltering international fugitives.

[snake]

This news was confirmed as of 2:30 CST US military confirmed this and said the body could be pos. identified

and will show evidence Weds.


Grinnin from ear to ear

Snake

[duck]

Sorry if I sounded a bit cynical at first, but I just wonder if there was no chance to capture the SOBs alive. After all, they were surrounded, overpowered by 20-1 and would have presented a wonderful chance to turn the Iraqi public opinion around. Now, I am afraid, they are going to be remembered as martyrs, having died in battle against superior forces.

[FallenAngel]

^ They could have offed themselves.

However, given the alternative of Americans dyin trying to take them alive...I would rather see them dead rather than some 19-year-old private.

[hood]

Here's the fox video about the confirmation...

http://66.230.216.3/072203/fnl_saddamsons_072203_300.wmv


The consistent theme for the whole Iraqi engagement, has been to try to kill Saddam and his sons. At no point did they mention that they wanted to capture them. From the very first bomb strike on their bunker, to the obliteration of the restaurant, and now this, it's been to kill them with extreme prejudice. The people of Iraq need to know that Saddam will never come back to power. That can only be assured of that if he and his sons are dead.

[Merik]

Dammit Hood beat me to the punch. I wanted to say they are dead. Waaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hood]

hah, actually snake said it first. :lol:

[duck]

The CIA has been experimenting and developing gases similar used by the russians in that chechen theatre raid for a long time, also in co-operation with Russia. No need for a single american soldier to die, remember snipers as well.

In the case of Hussein, just imagine what it would mean for the Iraqi on the street to see his trial on TV. Fair, just and the death sentence in the end. Would free their minds in a totally different way, with the use of brutal force, remember several bystanders were killed of wounded, no sympathies will be won.

[Trigger]

:roll:
Screw that 'Iraqi Court TV' stuff. They had to rock-n-roll baby! With extreme prejudice

[Duke]

Apparently the compound defended by some 10 iraqis was assaulted by 200 soldiers from the 101st division and conquered after a four hour battle. The assault itself was preceded by rocket/missile fire from helicopter gunships.
Numerous posts have alluded that the US uses overkill, such as the above and the thread dedicated to PFC Lynch's rescue.
Let me respond by saying, you never know what will happen in an URBAN firefight. For example, enemy forces could start coming out of adjacent buildings, or out of the numerous tunnels Saddam has built, or simply on foot from nearby areas, or intel maybe flat out wrong and more people are actually inside.
Like I said to Cut: Hit the enemy with all you have, not what you think is enough. Or some say shoot with extreme prejudice.
As a commander you just have too many hostile variables to calculate for success.

[hood]

duck, in an Arab world where they cut off limbs, heads, and other things, usually without more than a 30 second trial, I don't think that ideal applies here.

[duck]

duke,

Yep, true, but I wonder what the arab mind makes out of this. And you are right, all available assets should be used, casualty rates for an unassisted urban assault can run up to 70%.

Yours, urban warfare trained duckie

[Colleen]

Guys my son is there and if overkill keeps him safe then nuke the whole country. I don't think you will find many moms who feel any differently. As a matter of fact in a different forum we were discussing bribing a pilot with homemade goodies to fly us "over there" and we would beat the crap out of the Iraqis with our slotted spoons and bring the kids home. Guess we are just tired of a lot of whiney butts using our kids to solve their probs.

[He219]

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=378804

"We're certain that Uday and Qusay were killed," Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez told a news conference in Baghdad. "We've used multiple sources to identify the individuals."


http://news.lycos.com/news/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=766039

woot woot woot

[Gordon]

Guys my son is there and if overkill keeps him safe then nuke the whole country.

And that would be justified ... admittedly I don't have kids of my own so i'm not talking from any position of emotional experience, although I do have a mother, father, brother and fiance and i'm not really sure i could justify the destruction of an entire nation of millions of people to keep them safe ... obviously I would do everything in my power to protect them.

I agree there's no point in going in there without extreme prejudice ... but isn't that somewhere far beyond extreme prejudice.

[Gordon]

As to the death of Saddam's sons ... woot

[FallenAngel]

"They died in a fierce gunbattle," Sanchez said. "They resisted detention and the effort of coalition forces to apprehend them."




ah ha.....right. "effor to apprehend" my ass :D

Not that I am complaining ;)

[Merik]

What unit is he with Colleen?

[Trigger]

I think it was just a 'figure of speech'.

[Argyll]

She already said he was 101st!

[Gordon]

;) ... fairplay, thought so. Just putting things in perspective.

[Trigger]

ah ha.....right. "effor to apprehend" my ass
hah!
"Stop resisting!"
-WHOOOSH- (TOW Missile) BLAAAM!
"Stop resisting!!"
BLAM BLAM BLAM
"Stop...oh never mind..."
:D

[Gordon]

rofl

[He219]

:lol: rofl woot

[Duke]

A punishment for rapist under the Shari'a is sitting on long thick spikes. And no KY.

[He219]

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=378743


Tracer fire from light machine guns is seen over the cityscape of Baghdad after news reports of the possible killing of Saddam Hussein's sons Odai and Qusai, disseminate through the city, Tuesday, July 22, 2003, in Baghdad, Iraq. Saddam's sons were believed to have been killed Tuesday in a raid by U.S. forces who surrounded the home of a cousin, a senior U.S. official said. Two other Iraqis also were killed in the firefight which took place in the northern city of Mosul, 240 miles north of Baghdad. (APPhoto/Wally Santana)

[hood]

And here's the clincher video with the guy pictured above. Now, take special note of the filename of fox news' video of it. Usually you don't see that because that url is put in the middle of the asx file. Pretty goofy.

http://66.230.216.3/072203/dingdong_udaysdead_072203_300.wmv

[California Joe]

A punishment for rapist under the Shari'a is sitting on long thick spikes. And no KY.

Does Kobe Bryant know about this? ;)

[Royal]

A couple of thoughts:

Well done to the 101st. Good job well done. The coalition has already demonstrated that they will act with 'extreme prejudice'. Putting myself in the commanders shoes, I don't blame them in the slightest, whatever the legalities.

Dead martyrs are generally (though not always) forgotton long before live prisoners - Look at Nelson Mandella, or Gitmo for that matter.

If Sadaam and his cohorts are coordinating the 'resistance' they are almost certainly still in Iraq. Hiding from a force that doesn't speak the language and doesn't understand the culture is fairly easy - Look at Karadzic and Mladic.

I suspect that this breakthrough has come from a mixture of good HumInt and ElInt (a combination not often seen) as well as maybe some greed for the offered rewards - well done to those involved.

[usa320]

Im glad they just put some hellfires into the place...

Had they rushed the building there would have been more chances of American casualties, and even better chances that by time they got inside they would have escaped via the tunnel system that is said to run under the house.

[California Joe]

The Iraqi Alamo.

[JiJoMacLE45]

Good shootin' fellas.

[Beowulf]

http://www.centcom.mil/CENTCOMNews/news_release.asp?NewsRelease=20030769.txt

[Spearin]

Sorry, I had to post this:

http://opcoin.city-17.net/images/other/husseinsPWNED.jpg

:D

[Vance]

The Iraqi Alamo.
They were a little short-handed don't you think? rofl

[cut]

the iraqi the tipped the US off is eligible for 30 million dollars apperently... nice little earner..

[hood]

how do you anonymously pay someone 30 million? plastering his face all over the tv would probably be a death sentence.

[USAF G]

woot

[cut]

I think an iraqi with that amount of money move out of iraq, for now at least.

[He219]

They'll set him up with a Gas Station in Bel Air and give him a new identity...

Worth every penny the $0.10 of my tax dollars bought: $30,000,000/300,000,000 people relocation fee inclusive

:P

[Gordon]

They were a little short-handed don't you think? rofl

Weren't they a little short handed at the Alamo too?

[hood]

:) If they didn't win, then yes, they were shorthanded.

[He219]

Some images of yesterday's gunfight...

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030723/s/1058989283.2886115373.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030723/capt.1058987076.iraq_ny192.jpg

In this handout picture from the US Army made available Wednesday, July 23, 2003, soldiers of the Armys 101st Airborne Division fire a TOW missile at the building housing Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s sons Odai and Qusai in Mosul, Iraq (news - web sites) on Tuesday, July 22, 2003. Odai and Qusai died in a blaze of gunfire and rockets Tuesday when U.S. forces, acting on a tip from an Iraqi informant, stormed the villa in northern Iraq. The U.S. military claimed their deaths will blunt Iraqi resistance to the American occupation. (AP Photo/US Army, Sgt. Curtis G. Hargrave)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030723/capt.1058987412.iraq_ny193.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030723/lthumb.1058987684.iraq_ny194.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030723/capt.1058986963.iraq_ny180.jpg

A cloud of dust and smoke billows out from a building hit with a TOW missile launched by soldiers of the Armys 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) Tuesday July 22, 2003, in Mosul, Iraq (news - web sites). Saddam Husseins sons Qusai and Odai were killed in the attack. (AP Photo/Sgt. Curtis G. Hargrave, U.S. Army)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030723/capt.1058986757.iraq_ny191.jpg

In this handout picture from the US Army made available Wednesday, July 23, 2003, flames erupt from the building housing Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s sons Odai and Qusai in Mosul, Iraq (news - web sites) on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 after it was hit with a TOW missile. Odai and Qusai died in a blaze of gunfire and rockets Tuesday when U.S. forces, acting on a tip from an Iraqi informant, stormed the villa in northern Iraq. The U.S. military claimed their deaths will blunt Iraqi resistance to the American occupation. (AP Photo/US Army, Robert Woodward

[ScoutRanger]

(BOOM)OOOOOOOOOOOO..... (BANG)AWWWWWWWWWWW.....

[Duke]

Have you heard that the mainstream (liberal) Democrats are now questioning the field commanders orders to take down the house. The Democrats contend the commander should have waited the Hussein boys out. Sooo fvcking easy to second guess.

[hood]

wow. great photos.

[Seraphim]

Ya he beat me to them. I woke up late today.

[hood]

From the CNN.com article about this:


In the hours after the raid, Task Force 20 members -- brought into the country to search for Saddam and top leaders of his regime -- searched the complex for documents and any other information with CIA and other personnel, U.S. officials said, in an attempt to locate Saddam.

[budanski]

http://www.al.com/opinion/birminghamnews/cartoons/072303_stantis.jpg

[JiJoMacLE45]

Fox News was reporting last night that after the tip came in on the whereabouts of Jr I and Jr II, TF20 set up an OP throughout Monday night and early Tuesday morning elements of the 101st began moving into position. The commanders on scene attempted to establish contact and were met with gunfire. Our boys talked back with at least 10 TOWs which were fired from ground and aerial platforms. Uday, Qusay, and the bodyguard were killed in the TOW barrage. TF20 elements then made entry and the 14yo son opened up on them as they reached the second floor and he was taken underfire and killed.

[hood]

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/Sightings-X.gif

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/BuriedTreasure-X.gif

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/MostWanted-X.gif

and a few off-topic ones for good measure...


http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/SweetSurrender-X.gif

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/Decapitate-X.gif

[hood]

well, it looks like the photos of the brothers are out. this would be the first time i've seen foxnews or any other outlet, show very graphic pictures on their front page with no warnings which I'm personally not so happy with.

http://www.foxnews.com/

[hood]

btw, i found and put up a bunch of hi-res shots from the missile barrage on their villa.

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/view_album.php?set_albumName=Battle_at_hideout_of_Odai_and_Qusai_Hussein

[hood]

Anyone have any idea what unit these guys are from? First guy to say Delta get's a happy face sticker.


http://media.militaryphotos.net/media/battle_question1.jpg

[ScoutRanger]

Second guy from the right has a black patch with white writing on his left side. Have it in higher res?

Also the one on the left looks to have a sidearm.

[hood]

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=Battle_at_hideout_of_Odai_and_Qusai_Hussein&id=aap

[usa320]

certainly not 101 airborne, thats for sure.

[He219]

They certainly are not Airsofters wearing Pro-tec's, Old Navy Pants and Banana Republic Vests.... Hehehe
:P

[millhouse]

Psy-ops? I think it would be critical for them to be close to the assault, because of the gravity of the situation. The photos of Uday and Qusay's corpses are perhaps almost equally important as capturing/killing them. I do not know what types of equipment psy-ops wear, but I assume it would be different... anyone?

[Lobo]

Do you know the famous Baghdad weblogger?
http://dear_raed.blogspot.com/

Here's his opinion in this issue:


:: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 ::
just to tell you that i would be really dissapointed if Uday and Qusay were really killed in Mosul. this is just the easy way out for them. they should have been humiliated in public, images of them handcuffed and being pushed around.
:: salam 9:31 AM [+] ::


:: Thursday, July 24, 2003 ::

It is so unbelievable how they have wasted a chance to show Iraqis they really are doing something. It was the most useless of press conferences, first off this Sanchez speaks only in Militar-ese, meaningless words come out of his mouth while we are all hanging on the edge of our seats waiting for one single picture, definitive proof. It is so easy, all it takes is to show us the friggin’ corpses. They do have them. Someone did see them and when asked why it wasn’t sown to the public they came up with the moral issues stuff. Habibi it didn’t bother you that all those Iraqis, Americans and British are being killed for dubious reasons, so why suddenly become so squeamish? Give the Images to Jazeera, moral issues have never stopped them from showing gruesome images, let them do your dirty work. All I care about is knowing, seeing, being 100% doubt free and that press conference proved nothing. An Iraqi journalist stopped me at the door of that hall and asked me whether I am American media (this happens from hanging around NY Times people too much), I told him I wasn’t but I could put him in touch, he said he was a journalist with IMN (Iraqi Media Network, the coalition sponsored media tool) he said that he wanted to make sure that the American journalists understand that Iraqis have huge doubts and if we would go out on the street we would be told that the whole thing in Mosul was a farce. Actually I was on the street and did ask that question. And people do need proof. The Americans just ****ed up. Just like they waited too long after the fall of Baghdad to show the Iraqis they have things under control they have ****ed up again by first making the decision to kill the idiots and then not give us clear proof of their death.

At that press conference there was a gentleman who asked an extremely important question which was answered by Sanchez with “that is speculation. Next question.” I later found out that the man in front of me was [Robert] Fisk and the question he asked which we all want to be answered was: why was the decision made to attack with a force that would have been capable of annihilating a city block? Why did they opt for killing them when they knew their importance as sources of information on all sorts of things and the wish all Iraqis have that they be put thru trial?

Fisk started the ball rolling, Sanchez was asked the same question at least 5 times in different ways and with it the question of how to prove this to the Iraqi people. And what do we get? Meaningless militareses. Beyond disappointing.

What sort of wake up call do they need? You get people saying the Americans are slow, the Americans are not fulfilling their promises. Don’t ****ing lose it, you are really stretching your luck, act act act. You came and gave people big hopes and you let them fall flat on their faces. I can’t believe that there has not been a single big celebration, I went to the office this morning and one of the photographers was asking “so where do you think they will be dancing in the streets?”. It doesn’t feel like there is a reason to celebrate. People are still being killed left and right.
The only people who are having parties are journos and NGO’s, oh and I hear OCPA has a disco night at the Rasheed Hotel once a week.
After the war with Iran was over people were in the streets for a whole night, dancing and singing.

I am just pissed off, this thing today has redefined anticlimactic for me. I still have hopes for the day they catch Saddam. Maybe we will have our street party then.

And I would like to add that Jazeera is the worst ever. They should be banned under Mullah Bremer’s Fatwa banning all pro-saddam/pro-ba’ath propaganda. That political analyst they have, something al-ani, is a ****ing saddamite.

:: salam 2:07 PM [+] ::

[ibstolidude]

undoubtedly psyop was there - you could see at least one obvious vehicle of theirs in news photos - but those guys are most likely not psyop (never can be 100% unless you are there), but psyop tends to blend in with their supported unit - that is the whole idea - and the gear does not reflect their MO.

The min sat antenna's are the most commonly used sat antenna in the army so it means nothing - I will not delve in to the radio types that use them do your own research, sorry. Many many mnay units in the army use them for commo, satcom is the standard for longdistance commo.
Certainly the tacp's (and cc's) assigned to the army will have them as well.

And the MICH helmets indicate very little as well. could be anyone, but I would agree that it is not likely they are GI. I would be everyopne was ready for a piece of it..SEALS, SF, marines, rangers, GI, support dudes, remf officers that fly in for the day.


HAHAHAHA even better is number of dudes with fingers in their ears! hahahahaha pack hearing protection you dolts!! that must have sucked, poor dudes.

[XASA]

Psy-ops? I think it would be critical for them to be close to the assault, because of the gravity of the situation. The photos of Uday and Qusay's corpses are perhaps almost equally important as capturing/killing them. I do not know what types of equipment psy-ops wear, but I assume it would be different... anyone?

Forget what you see in the movies or read in fictionalize accounts about Psyops, their job is winning "hearts and minds," and not "grab them by the balls and their hearts and minds will follow" direct action as pictured here. Also, they wear standard G.I. issue gear. Ibstolidude is on the money about them probably being in the area, probably for crowd control, though. Any pictures would have been taken by intelligence chaps. Although I didn't notice any of their vehicles, anything with loudspeakers on it is probably one of theirs.

[ibstolidude]

partyly true, they are surely not PSYOP as I earlier stated but......
strictly "hearts and minds" is the field of CA but done by psyop as
"peruasion" is the key - either through the collection of intel (psyop is huge for humint) and then passed to others to apply "pressure" on those areas/weaknesses they identify, or the use of surrender appeals or part of a strategic plan - or interrogation, or deception, or "hearts and minds ****" or blah bblah...
Hell I know some psyop dudes that were on the ranger jump into quandahar airfield...and as far as they use standard gear please see the photos in the user section...and incidently the active tact BN is issued M4 sopmod as are the reserve forces now playing catch up and are recieving...and they have organic satcom etc...they are one of the most often deployed and practical experienced untis in the army ... the dudes I know have more deployment time in 8 years then most people have service time for 4! ... so I say your both wrong - but I am jerk :D

I agree I have never seen an accurate movie portrayal but don't place them in a nut shell that only includes hearts and minds and crowd control...
WHo else would play rock n roll for Noriega - AC/DC rocked!!!
And they do NOT have DA teams, but they have been used wisely to assist in DA actions in the past in various manners. There is more to a successful assualt than the entry team. IPB is wonderful thing, there should be more to planning and prep than "There they are, go get them!"
besides how else do you know where to assualy, generally you need to persuade some one to come forward with the information. I also like them because they generally don't go blabbin to the media about what their tactical teams are doing or the part they have played in an operation, but with a little research you can be surprised.

passed to me from some friends in the job:
http://wfmynews2.gannettonline.com/gns/iraq/20030408-20399.shtml

Their use has changed much of the last 10 years, grown..but they are like any tool - a hammer is great for hammer, but sucks as a screwdriver...but you can't blame the hammer if you don't know what it does or how to use it.l

[warchild1/27scout]

cag :oops:

[CX20]

ITN News over here in the UK showed an interesting film on the aftermath of the raid on the 6.30pm news tonight. There were plenty of shots of US soldiers milling around the house after the raid, but also a couple of shots of some "shady" types who were hanging around.

One shot showed a soldier walking out of the complex. He was wearing a biege baseball cap back-to-front, long hair and "ZZ Top" beard, he had a very bronze suntan, muscular body and Oakley M Frames sunglasses. He was wearing a black t-shirt with body armour/tactical vest over that. He had 3-colour desert camoflague trousers on with a black pistol holster on his right thigh and assorted black pouches on his left thigh. He had desert combat boots on as well. He was carrying an M4 with usual bits and bobs, Aimpoint, foregrip and tac light. His M4 also had a big suppressor on it, not the usual new style one but a big old "beer can" style chunky Vietnam-era suppressor. It was a good shot of him and you could see all his kit. All in all he was very similiar to the operators in the Afghanistan CAG album.

The second shot was a close-up of someone in civilian clothes walking to a Humvee. He was a bit shorter, less muscular, with short hair, trimmed short beard and again big black Oakley sunglasses. He was wearing a loose grey civilian shirt with what looked like covert undershirt body armour underneath (I am a copper so spotting this was easy). He had biege trousers on with some kind of boots on as well. His weapon was an MP5 PDW with some kind of "Aimpoint" style sight on. Despite his short haircut I felt he had an overall "civilian" air to him.

I was watching this up close on a widescreen TV so I had a chance to see quite a bit of detail.

And just for everyone here, I have some video footage featuring the second "civilian" operator. The ITN News website has a Real Player video of the late night news, which features footage from earlier reports cobbled together to make a final edition. Unfortunately the resolution is less than perfect and it doesn't feature the first operator, but you get a very good look at the "civilian" operator with his MP5 PDW. He appears at 1.45 mins through the video if you don't want to watch the rest. Not sure how long the footage will be on the ITN website so I'd watch/download it while you can folks.

rtsp://a1152.r.akareal.net/ondemand/7/1152/8767/0b71e5339efa4f/www.itv.com/news/video/en_24_iraq2.rm

[JiJoMacLE45]

I too saw a real brief shot on Fox News yesterday that showed a bearded guy in civvies w/ an M4 standing around after the shootout was over. Rumors abound that TF20 was in the area so ?. As for the helmeted gents, CCTs, ETACs, CAGs, Airsofters who knows. What matters is, they got the job done.

[millhouse]

WARNING - Graphic photo

Chris196 posted this photo, it has an up close view of some of the soldiers involved. Any new observations?


http://www.airsoftarizona.com/iraq/uday1b.jpg

[James]

That cat on the right has a good old fashioned M1911. He's definitely

DELTA!

Hood, where's my happy face? :lol:

[ScoutRanger]

That cat on the right has a good old fashioned M1911. He's definitely

DELTA!

Hood, where's my happy face? :lol:

And long hair

[hood]

ok, here's your smiley.

http://media.militaryphotos.net/media/destructive_smiley.jpg

[red5326]

In my opinion, sir. I don't know that they're Delta or not but I'm sure that they special. :D

[XASA]

Their use has changed much of the last 10 years, grown..but they are like any tool - a hammer is great for hammer, but sucks as a screwdriver...but you can't blame the hammer if you don't know what it does or how to use it.l

Thanks for the feedback Ibstolidude. I know Psyops does more than "hearts and minds" but just mentioned that as perhaps the reason they were in the area. My last duty assignment was as Operations/Intelligence NCOIC with German and Vietnamese linguist as secondary and tertiary MOSs for what was then the only separate tactical Psyops company in the Army. Aside from loudspeakers, we had what was then state-of-the-art radio broadcast and printing capabilities as well as a few other tricks. That was more than thirty years ago, so, if they've changed in the last 10 years, I'm sure their current methodology and tactics compared to my day are nothing short of amazing. I wanted to differentiate Psyops mission from SFs. Unless something went horribly wrong, we were not "shooters". Do current Psyops forces actively participate in combat engagements aside from emergencies? Also, would be interested if you have any contacts on Smoke Bomb Hill. The 92nd Psyops Company (TAC) is the only unit I was assigned to (in 1971) that I'm having difficulty finding information on. Is there a resource at Bragg that might have info on this old unit?

[ibstolidude]

PSYOP has changed hugely since then...in the past tactical psyop was a side note to the strategic boys (media makers) - now they have grown by leaps and continue to push for more schools...they have teams dedicated to the ranger BN's etc...

As you know your old company has long since faded away, but I will PM you some links that could very well help you in looking up old info..

good luck.