Report: Iraqi Militants Kill U.S. Soldier

[He219]

Report: Iraqi Militants Kill U.S. Soldier (http://dailynews.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=index&cid=716)
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Al-Jazeera television said Tuesday that Iraqi militants killed an American soldier they have held hostage since early April because the U.S. government did not change its policy in Iraq.

Pfc. Keith M. Maupin of Batavia, Ohio was captured in April during an ambush on a convoy west of Baghdad.

Pentagon officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said a videotape has surfaced in Baghdad that shows a person who was shot in the back of the head, but that the person was not identifiable.

[tuckerhat]

Hmm. Didn't change its policy? Since we handed over power today, I assume these militants oppose Iraqi rule? Wow, we've got it backwards! These extremist nutjobs aren't anti-occupation but pro-occupation! They WANT us there!


Sad day if this is true, RIP.

[SeanAshi]

Once again....Islam prohibits the killing of prisoners :roll: when will they learn this?

[kommando]

that bullsh*t poor guy
imagine putting his family through that
even him
thtas months worth of torture

makes me hate them more then i already do
they just arent civilized

[seruriermarshal]

Sad message

REGIMENTAL PRAYER

Almighty, merciful, and loving Father,
you are the one who hears all our prayers and grants our petitions.

We ask you to remember, as we do,
the tremendous sacrifice made by those who went before us.
They have given their lives so that we might live and breathe freely.
We ask you to receive them into your hands.

Father, give us the strength and wisdom to learn from their example,
to uphold freedom and life at home and around the world.

Keep us vigilant as we guard the frontiers of freedom.

Give our leaders the wisdom and the strength to lead well.

Grant all of us courage and confidence.
Be, for all of us, troopers, a wise counsel in keeping peace
and a strong shield for us against our enemies.
Oh heavenly Father, give us the determination
that the peace and freedom won at such a high price be lasting!

Father, hold all of the troopers in the palm of your almighty hand
and protect them in the shadow of your wings.

Amen.

[SeanAshi]

More internet traffic for ******.com :roll:

[seruriermarshal]

If they did not behead him, then this was not a normal execution....he may have tried to escape.


:(

[SeanAshi]

They added pictures of Qusai's dead son Mustaffa on ******
They said matt was shot in the back of his head

[Laworkerbee]

RIP :roll:

[Sierra]

RIP :(

[ariweiner]

"Once again....Islam prohibits the killing of prisoners icon_rolleyes.gif when will they learn this?"

There is no prohibition against killing prisoners in Islamic Sacred Law unless an agreement has been signed with the enemy not to do so.

R.I.P Maupin and all of the other nameless Iraqi's and mujahideen who have been killed.

[Midav]

While the Geneva Conventions spelled out explicit guidelines for treatment of war prisoners in the 20th century, Muslims say the Prophet Mohammed established specific rules regarding prisoners 1,400 years ago. For example, he once removed his own shirt so a war prisoner could be clothed. The Koran stipulates humane treatment and release of war prisoners. And Islam teaches that jihad, or striving to be a good Muslim, is used on the battlefield as a way of restraining anger and emotion to protect the well-being of those captured. Islam also forbids destruction of homes, places of worship and trees. But images of captured American soldiers in rooms with dead comrades lying in pools of blood are raising questions about treatment of war prisoners in Iraq. (On April 14, 2003, seven American POWs were recovered alive in Iraq.)


From (http://www.acfnewsource.org/religion/war_ethics.html)

[Operation Ivy]

RIP Man

God **** those guys up

[He219]

R.I.P all the mujahideen who have been killed.
The only freedom fighters killed are those Iraqi civil servants struggling to maintain order in a free and sovereign Iraq!

Not the Iranian backed Shi'ite Sadr Militia, not the Sunni remnants of Saddam's powerbase and certainly not the foreigners entering to aid the AQ terrorist scum.

:fork:

[SeanAshi]

Islam and prisoners of war
Vinod Kumar

Islamic website http://www.everymuslim.com quoting Sheikh Muhammad Abu Zahra, from
his book Concept of War in Islam; writes "Islam advocates clemency with captives. History has never known warriors so merciful to their captives as the early Muslims who followed the teachings of their religion. Numerous religious texts demand clemency with captives."
It goes on to say the Koran offers only two alternatives regarding the captives - free dismissal or ransoming - without referring to enslavement.
(Ref: http://members.tripod.com/maseeh1/advices7/id227.htm)0

The official website of Middle East Media Research Institute, http://www.memri.org, recently posted a summary of an article from another website, probably run by Chechens. This article has different views on the issue of treatment of prisoners under Islam.
(Ref: http://memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=SD43402)

The article under reference is titled "A Guide to the Perplexed Regarding the Permissibility of Killing Prisoners," which appeared in the column "Jihad News from the Land of the Caucasus". In this the author suggests that the Islamic religious scholars present five different alternatives, drawn from the various interpretations of the Koran:

1) A polytheist prisoner must be killed. No amnesty may be granted to him, nor can he be ransomed.
2) All infidel polytheists and the People of the Book (i.e., Jews and Christians) are to be killed. They may not be granted amnesty, nor can they be ransomed.
3) Amnesty and ransom are the only two ways to deal with prisoners.
4) Amnesty and ransom are possible only after the killing of a large number of prisoners.
5) The Imam, or someone acting on his behalf, can choose between killing, amnesty, ransom or enslaving the prisoner.

The above two are diagonally opposite views of Islam about the treatment of prisoners.

How is one to arrive at a rational opinion regarding what Islam really says on this issue?

The best way, I believe is to look into what Islamic scriptures have to say. Of course, the most authentic source of Islam is the Koran itself and after the Koran it is the recorded traditions of the Prophet known as the Hadis. Of all the four most well known traditions, the one compiled by Imam Bukhari is deemed to be most authentic.

On the question of taking prisoners and freeing them with ransom, Sahih Al-Bukhari records
"It is not fitting for a prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he has made a great slaughter (among his enemies). You desire the good of this world (money or ransom) but Allah desires (for you) the hereafter, and Allah is All-mighty, All-Wise." (Sahih Al- Bukhari, vol. 4, pp. 161)

This is claimed to be as Statement of Allah.

What should be done with the warriors of the defeated people?

When the tribe of Bani Koreiza was defeated, they were ready to accept S'ad's judgement. So the Prophet sent for S'ad who was near to him. S'ad came and sat next to the Prophet who said to him, "These people are ready to accept your judgement." S'ad issued his judgement that the their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners." The Prophet then remarked, "O, S'ad! You have judged amongst them with (or similar to) the judgement of the King (Allah)." (Sahih Al-Bukhari, vol. 4, pp. 176)

It is worthwhile to note that the Prophet did not intervene to say that the prisoners should be freed but commended S'ad's judgement as "similar to judgement of the King (Allah)."

As a consequence all the seven or eight hundred men of the Jewish tribe were put to death in one day and the women and children sold into slavery and the spoils divided among the army. The same day her husband and all her male relatives were killed, the Prophet invited Reihana, the Jew to be his wife; an offer she declined, and chose to remain his slave or concubine. (The Life of Mahomet by Sir William Muir)

Many commentators claim Islam prohibits killing of women and children. While there is a hadith where the Prophet prohibits killing of women and children (Sahih Al-Bukhari, vol. 4, pp. 160) but there is also a Hadith that says a raid on the enemy should not be abandoned just because it might endanger the lives of women and children. (Sahih al-Bukhari, vol. 4, pp. 158-159)

Thus the incidental killing of women and children has the sanction in the traditions of the Prophet. In the aftermath of 9/11, the oft repeated contention that killing of women and children is not allowed in Islam is not true.

It is not surprising that some Muslims conquerors have followed the practice of killing the prisoners and defeated combatants. To give one example: Hajjaj, the governor of Irak asked Muhammad bin Kasim to lead an expedition on Sind in 712 CE. Chach-nama - historical account of Sind -- records "after the conquest was effected, and the affairs were settled and the report of conquest had reached Hajjaj, he (Hajjaj) sent a reply to the following effect:

"O my cousin; I received your life inspiring letter. I was much pleased and overjoyed when it reached me. The events were recounted in an excellent and beautiful style, and I learnt that the ways and rules you follow are comfortable to the Law. Except that you give protection to all, great and small alike, and make no difference between enemy and friend. God says, -- Give no quarter to Infidels, but cut their throats. Then, know this is the command of the great God….." (The History of India as told by its own Historians by Elliott and Dowson, vol. 1)

Beside this the Muslim conquest of India is full of Hindu prisoners being made slaves and sold in the markets of Ghazni and beyond, forced to convert to Islam at the point of sword and killed for refusing to do so. Timur Lang's killing of 100,000 Hindu prisoners in one day is unparallel in history.

Yes, there were times when the Prophet spared the lives of the prisoners but generally it was on one of the two conditions - either they converted to Islam or accepted the status of dhimmies and paid the jiziya. Muslim conquerors of India have followed this practice also.

In its posting, www.memri.org summarizes the article saying the author prefers the position that "the Prophet Muhammad had dealt with the prisoners in different ways to maximize the benefits to Muslims."

The position that "the Koran offers only two alternatives regarding the captives - free dismissal or ransoming - without referring to enslavement" does not have much basis. The underlying message that one gathers is whatever is good for the Muslims and serves the interests of Islam is valid.

[Seraphim]

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[Black Dots]

Is anyone but al-Jazeera reporting this? I mean, has any other news agency independently verified it?

[MEGR]

Fox and Cnn.

[usa320]

There is no prohibition against killing prisoners in Islamic Sacred Law unless an agreement has been signed with the enemy not to do so.

R.I.P Maupin and all of the other nameless Iraqi's and mujahideen who have been killed.

Someone ban this dirtbag.

I demand it...

They brutally murdered our prisoners and he is complaining about how we killed terrorists?

Screw political correctness, this guy should be kicked.

[MKtexan]

ariweiner , what is your problem??? RIP to those poor mujahideen that have been killed huh? you are really twisted pal. Hey mods, why has this guy not been baned yet?

[jizzmonkey]

"Once again....Islam prohibits the killing of prisoners icon_rolleyes.gif when will they learn this?"

There is no prohibition against killing prisoners in Islamic Sacred Law unless an agreement has been signed with the enemy not to do so.

R.I.P Maupin and all of the other nameless Iraqi's and mujahideen who have been killed.

WTF?????????

dude are insane????

did you eat some bad mushrooms??

You have to be kidding (in a sick and twisted way)

the mujahedeen???
screw them.......I hope pigs **** on thier graves!!

[Bayonet]

RIP :(

[kommando]

yeahman
why do you say things like that
are you looking for a fight?
id love to ee you saythat to his parents man
thats pretty low
i mean hes there to fight a war he may or may not belive in
so dont be so harsh

[Zarathustra]

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[StealthMode]

Tell me what you guys think about this:

If you are a captive by the terrorists in Iraq.... beg mercy from them and ask to convert to Islam...

As it is said, if you convert to Islam you can be saved...

Basically tell them you will convert to Islam and learn and you will fight as you have done wrong (a BS story so you can win trust and later escape)

Could this tactic of wanting to convert, cause the Islamic radical kidnappers to consider it, putting them in a tough situation.

Here are some important highlights...

Islam, the religion of peace…

"Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191)

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)

"Not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (Koran 5:51)

"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)

"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)

"If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them " (Koran 8:65).

Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (Koran 9:3)

"Fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5)

Our God tells us to "fight the unbelievers" and "He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them" (Koran 9:14).

"Until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Koran 9:29)

"Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (9:39).

"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)

"Murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123)

[i]"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:40) Doesnt this contridict itself???

"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)

"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)

"strike off the heads of the disbelievers" (Koran 47:4)

"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)

"You (i.e. Muslims) will fight wi the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' " (Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177)

The Prophet killed the men of the Jewish tribe Bani Quraiza (some 600 to 800 of them) and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims All the other Jews of Medina were exiled. (Bukhari 5:59:362) WOMEN AND CHILDREN

The Prophet had the date-palms of the Jewish tribe of Bani-Al- Nadir burnt and cut down. "It was with Allah's permission" (Koran 59:5) TREES??

The Prophet said to Sa'd, :The Bani Quraiza have agreed to accept your verdict" Sa'd said, "Kill all their men and take their women and children as slaves" The Prophet replied, "You have judged according to God's Judgment" (Bukhari 5:59:447)

"The Christians say: The Christ is the son of Allah; "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:29)

These are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them." (Sura 9:30)

"Unbelievers are those who say: 'God is one of three.' There is but one God. If they do not desist from so saying, those of them that disbelieve shall be sternly punished." (Surah 5:73)

I think the Koran and Islam speaks for itself in action and word. Some people are just smart enough to realize that there is more to life than Jihad and killing disbelivers. Maybe consider a family life>?

[ariweiner]

The only freedom fighters killed are those Iraqi civil servants struggling to maintain order in a free and sovereign Iraq!
Iraqi civil servants? Do you mean collaborators with the invading enemy? A crime that includes amongst other things treachery and betrayal which in virtually all nations warrants the death penalty. And a free and sovereign Iraq? Ooh, led by a former CIA guy, very "free" no doubt to most Americans. Along with another set of rules dictated by Bremer that CANNOT BE CHANGED (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8665-2004Jun26.html) even by the this new "free" government. I realize that people are angry over Maupins death. Similarly I am angry, VERY angry I might add, about the deaths and continued destruction going on in Iraq that would not have been made possible except through this invasion based on false pretences.
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Someone ban this dirtbag.

I demand it...
People want to ban me, fine. But just point out to me which rule I have violated before you do so. Is expressing a R.I.P for those who die resisting the occupation of a nation grounds for banning?
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ariweiner , what is your problem???
No problem here. It's others that seem to have the problem.

RIP to those poor mujahideen that have been killed huh? you are really twisted pal.
Why is supporting those who are anti-occupation an act that would qualify as "twisted"? I have never supported terrorism but I fully support the right of those who have been aggressed upon to defend themselves. The US had never been attacked or even under threat of attack from Iraq. Consequently, they have NO RIGHT to invade Iraq. Forget about coming to me with other excuses: ooh we liberated the people, ooh we got rid of an oppressive dictator. Hell, stick to the facts! We did not invade Iraq to liberate it's people or get rid of dictators. We allegedly did so to remove some imaginary WMD thought up by the clever guys at Bush and Military/Industrial complex Co. Now we realize it's all a lie and desperately try to come up with further justifications for an invasion that was nothing less than a lie in the first place.
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Islam, the religion of peace…

"Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191)
Lovely quote. I note the deliberate omission of relevant context:

"And slay them wherever ye find them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith." 2:191

I will now ignore the rest of your post till you can reliably post quotes with necessary context included.

[usa320]

SHUT THE HELL UP.

[usa320]

Similarly I am angry, VERY angry I might add, about the deaths and continued destruction going on in Iraq that would not have been made possible except through this invasion based on false pretences.


Im angry that your such an inconsiderate, osama-loving prick.


People want to ban me

yes.


Is expressing a R.I.P for those who die resisting the occupation of a nation grounds for banning?



sounds good to me.


Why is supporting those who are anti-occupation an act that would qualify as "twisted"?

I dunno...maybe chopping off peoples heads and blowing up crowded squares filled with worshippers isnt twisted, maybe its just me. Maybe killing the truckers brining you water and the workers restoring your power isnt twisted, maybe its just me.


I have never supported terrorism

bull****.


The US had never been attacked or even under threat of attack from Iraq

Yes, because we know you have access to so many intelligence resources. See my comment above.


Now we realize it's all a lie and desperately try to come up with further justifications for an invasion that was nothing less than a lie in the first place.


Now you realize we are winning, the Iraqis are free, and democracy is taking hold. So you must lie desperately and be a rude and vile jackass to try and justify your disgusting comments.


I will now ignore the rest of your post till you can reliably post quotes with necessary context included.

We will all ignore the rest of your posts until you go away and shut the hell up. Your not here because you care about the military, your here to disrespect them and get a hard-on whenever you hear one of our boys dies.

[ariweiner]

Im angry that your such an inconsiderate, osama-loving prick.

Wha...? I do not support terrorism my friend.


I dunno...maybe chopping off peoples heads and blowing up crowded squares filled with worshippers isnt twisted, maybe its just me. Maybe killing the truckers bringing you water and the workers restoring your power isnt twisted, maybe its just me.
Maybe we are just misunderstanding each other. I am not supporting random acts of violence. I am supporting those that are in principle anti-occupation and their right to attack a foreign occupation regime that has invaded their land.



The US had never been attacked or even under threat of attack from Iraq

Yes, because we know you have access to so many intelligence resources. See my comment above.
If there was any intelligence to indicate that Saddam intended to attack the US, we would have heard about it by now.


Now you realize we are winning, the Iraqis are free, and democracy is taking hold. So you must lie desperately and be a rude and vile jackass to try and justify your disgusting comments.
The occupation is winning? :petting: I would not like to see what losing will look like.


We will all ignore the rest of your posts until you go away and shut the hell up. Your not here because you care about the military, your here to disrespect them and get a hard-on whenever you hear one of our boys dies.
The only one to ever express such opinions have been the deathmongers cheering that video of an Iraqi getting killed. And all of them were American/pro-American.

[usa320]

If there was any intelligence to indicate that Saddam intended to attack the US, we would have heard about it by now.



There is, plenty of posts regarding it were posted. You ignored them.


Wha...? I do not support terrorism my friend.


Im not so sure...in another thread you said you know someone that knows Mullah Omar...seems fishy to me... either your a talib or your a lying sack of ****.




Maybe we are just misunderstanding each other

Maybe your misunderstanding me... your a dirtbag.



I am not supporting random acts of violence

Yes you are.



am supporting those that are in principle anti-occupation and their right to attack a foreign occupation regime that has invaded their land.


No **** eh?




The only one to ever express such opinions have been the deathmongers cheering that video of an Iraqi getting killed. And all of them were American/pro-American.

seeing as the terrorist had an RPG in his hands, im glad he got shot too...
If you dont want to get shot, then dont point an RPG-7 and an M-1A2...common sense.

[Fintin]

everyone calm down....a man has died....show some respect

[usa320]

ariweiner, in respect to Maupin, if you want to continue this argument, PM me.

[Tane Angle]

Thank you, that was respectful and respectable. For now, this thread will be locked, ok? Sorry guys.