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Ordie
05-20-2009, 09:26 AM
Whatever happened to free enterprise?

Taco trucks offer's fresh food, accessibilty, bring life to otherwise empty sidewalks, and great value.

The food nazi's in San Francisco even banned taco trucks at high schools. It's an outrage because it forces the kids to eat school lunch crap.

Support your local Taco Truck!!!!!



Taco trucks are feeling the crunch across the U.S.
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Los Angeles Times
Sergio Merida and his relatives run taco trucks in Palos Verdes Estates. Last year, the City Council ruled that the trucks could stop only at sites where a bathroom was available to patrons, and stay just half an hour.



The demand for food from mobile vendors grows as the Latino population increases. But officials in some places see the vehicles as nuisances and create laws to curb their operation.
By Jeff Gottlieb

May 20, 2009

Sergio Merida and his relatives built taco trucks into a family business.

To sell their fresh-cooked tacos, carnitas and tortas, each day they spread out across Palos Verdes Estates -- Merida to the east, his wife, Maggie Avila, to the center, and Sonia Avila, Maggie's mother, to the west.

At lunchtime, Merida and Sonia Avila would pull alongside a small park and spend two hours feeding gardeners, construction workers and nannies, and the occasional local.

The workers gobbled up the food, which they appreciated, since in this city tucked against the ocean, they otherwise might have had to drive a long way to get a cheap lunch.

"It saves us time, it saves us money," said Ramon Lezama, as he waited for his quesadilla next to his work site.

But nearby residents saw the trucks differently, complaining of traffic and litter. "It was just disruptive to the neighborhood," City Manager Joseph Hoefgren said.

Last summer, the City Council took action.

No longer could loncheras set up for hours at parks or construction sites. Instead, they could stop only at sites where a bathroom was available to patrons, and stay just half an hour, barely enough time to set up and prepare a meal or two before having to break down and drive away again. In addition, all employees had to get background checks.

Palos Verdes Estates is hardly the only community to crack down on the trucks in recent years. Los Angeles County supervisors last year passed an ordinance making it a misdemeanor for taco trucks to park in unincorporated spots for more than an hour after restaurateurs complained they were siphoning off customers. A Superior Court judge later ruled the law unconstitutional.

Similar restrictions have been imposed nationwide in cities large and small, rural and metropolitan, from Hughson, Calif., to Houston, and in seemingly unlikely spots, including Des Moines; Charlotte, N.C.; and Hillsboro, Ore.

As the Latino population has grown across the United States, so have the number of taco trucks catering to them.

How communities approach them varies widely.

Suburban Jefferson Parish, La., banned them. So did Hughson, in the San Joaquin Valley. But nearby Turlock established a taco truck plaza.

"They're very popular among city employees," said Turlock's planning director, Debbie Whitmore.

Officials in many communities say the aim of their regulations is to ensure the food is sanitary, safety codes are followed and noise, late-night crowds and garbage don't get out of control. Some cities have passed ordinances that don't explicitly ban taco trucks but make it all but impossible for them to operate profitably.

Sometimes charges of racism are thrown at taco truck opponents, such as when an official in Gwinnett County, Ga., was reported to have called the growth of taco trucks and other mobile vendors "gypsy-fication," or when a Houston-area politician said, "I don't want us to become, you know, a Third World area."

Asked if regulations enacted in Houston were racist, David Mestemaker, an attorney who represented taco truck owners there, replied: "Absolutely. It's a classic case of discrimination, because 95% of the people who own them are Hispanic." A federal judge dismissed Mestemaker's suit to overturn the regulations.

Often, as in Los Angeles, owners of Mexican restaurants are behind efforts to get rid of the trucks, arguing that they're unfair competition because they don't have overhead.

Kevin Johnson, dean of the UC Davis law school and a professor of law and Chicano studies, said restaurant owners tend to be longer-term residents and taco truck owners more recent arrivals. "This, in my mind, is another example of that tension between the established Mexican American citizens and the immigrants," he said.

But in places such as Charlotte and Des Moines, where Mexican and Central American immigrants have arrived in the last decade or two, he said, the fight against taco trucks is another way to express anti-immigrant views.

"It's hard for me to see how this whole taco truck controversy is separate and apart from the continuing clash of cultures in the U.S.," Johnson said.

In Des Moines, Councilman Brian Meyer said he introduced legislation to regulate taco trucks after a neighborhood association from the city's south side complained about "transient merchants" who also sold velvet Elvises and shaved ice. He took offense at claims that the motivation for the ordinance was racist.

"I don't want to say this was Latino versus white," he said. "We are probably the most diverse city in the state. Outside of Chicago, we have the largest population of Italian Americans in the Midwest."

But Armando Villareal, former administrator of the Iowa Division of Latino Affairs, said the complaints about the trucks came from people not used to seeing Latinos, whose numbers in the state have jumped 50% this decade.

"The growth of the Latino population has been sudden and explosive, and Iowa has been homogeneous since European immigration to the state -- and these, I guess are growing pains," he said. "It's just going to take time for folks to get used to living with each other."

In Charlotte, which has a fast-growing Latino population, residents complained last year that taco trucks were camping out in office parking lots past midnight, bringing crowds and crime to nearby neighborhoods.

"They were transitioning from a place for food to a place for folks to congregate," said John Lassiter, an at-large city councilman. "A lot of these neighborhoods are older, struggling with the changing demographic, so they perceive the taco truck and the related use as negatively impacting their quality of life and potentially impacting the value of their primary asset, which is their house."

The City Council responded by passing an ordinance forcing taco trucks to shut down at 9 p.m. and ensuring that several of them could not gather in the same parking lot.

One of the broadest bans on taco trucks was enacted in California in 2000 -- in Red Bluff, a town of about 15,000 between Chico and Redding. Last year, the city held off on cracking down on a taco truck that had begun operating, City Manager Martin Nichols said. The district attorney asked the city to go slow because it was investigating the owner's suspected involvement in a drug and money laundering ring.

Meanwhile, another entrepreneur bought a couple of taco trucks and was ready to begin operations. Then he discovered that the taco trucks themselves were illegal in Red Bluff.

"When he found out he had a worthless investment, the City Council listened to him," Nichols said.

A new ordinance to allow taco trucks -- but require minimum standards and design review before they can operate -- passed this month.

Buying a taco truck is not cheap. Merida said his truck cost $150,000. His mother-in-law, Sonia Avila, has been driving a lonchera around Palos Verdes Estates for years, and the family is well known in the area. Construction workers starting a job will sometimes call them to let them know where to bring the truck.

Merida said he doesn't believe taco trucks ever caused problems in the city. Between the recession and the new ordinance, Merida says business is down by half. Now Sonia Avila is working on her daughter's truck.

"The city was quiet until they saw the problems in L.A. with lunch trucks," Merida said. "Then everything started popping up."

Source:http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-tacotrucks20-2009may20,0,123294,print.story

jetsetter
05-20-2009, 09:32 AM
I work in a business park and quite a few times a week the taco truck will pull into the parking lot and people will come out of their cubicles to get something to eat. Good stuff!!!

It would be sad to see these businesses go.

Dragonscript
05-20-2009, 09:44 AM
Ahh, good old Roach Coaches. They are like mobile 7-11s; too bad they don't exist around here.

Shadowstorm
05-20-2009, 09:46 AM
I see a lot food carts down here in South Omaha all the time. I stop get some of there food sometimes. However, I have yet to eat anything from a taco truck yet even though I see them around the old downtown South Omaha. I got to try them one of these days.

magicman
05-20-2009, 09:47 AM
too bad we just get the ones with the day old woppers and leftover pizza

RxOnco
05-20-2009, 10:08 AM
They're making them adhere to basic standards required of the restaurants? Those bastards!
I think you're seeing less of them because the construction industry has taken a major hit with the credit/mortgage mess along with the fact that immigration has been tightened a little.

Mmmmm...tacos. However, I think I'll be going to a restaurant. You guys that take a chance on these mobile E. coli machines...more power to ya's.

wildcat
05-20-2009, 10:14 AM
Mobile food is always a win, I miss the morning Bacon sandwiches on the lay by in the UK. Some good from comes from the Roach Coaches, when I worked in the Bay Area it was mainly Asian, some great food.

Felix U. Gómez
05-20-2009, 10:16 AM
I had a friend in El Paso that used to own four of them. Man those things were gold mines! The food was very good and cheap, and you could get pratically anything, tacos, flautas, tortas, gorditas, french fries, hamburgers, hot dogs, you name it. I don't know why they call them taco trucks. Somewhat indispensable at construction sites and industrial parks. Beats a lunch box any time. It would be sad to see them go.

Please, help save the taco trucks.

Maybe we could call Greenpeace?

Eztyga
05-20-2009, 10:20 AM
Mobile food is always a win, I miss the morning Bacon sandwiches on the lay by in the UK. Some good from comes from the Roach Coaches, when I worked in the Bay Area it was mainly Asian, some great food.

I always ate from the 'Cholera Carts' throughout Asia. Great food, and I never had a stomach upset from it.

Cstafford
05-20-2009, 10:22 AM
Mmmmm...tacos. However, I think I'll be going to a restaurant. You guys that take a chance on these mobile E. coli machines...more power to ya's.
A little E. coli never hurt anyone.

Hispeed1
05-20-2009, 10:22 AM
I love the taco trucks! WTF is that City Council thinking-making them stay for only 30 min. at a stop?

Dragunov
05-20-2009, 10:24 AM
Hustling at its best.

Eztyga
05-20-2009, 10:25 AM
A little E. coli never hurt anyone.

Its character building...:)

seraosha
05-20-2009, 10:50 AM
I love roach coaches...but out here a new phenonomon competeing with them is the trailer BBQ...big sign "BOUDIN", just started seeing them but that is for the lunch/dinner crowd while the taco trucks seem to be breakfast/lunch crowd.

But the best was the street vendors in Mexico...stumble out of a club and get some instant drunk-food. I digress. Go support your local Taco Truck, heathens!

Panchito12
05-20-2009, 11:08 AM
Tacos? Blah! Boring stuff.
I used to love to get gizzards from the roach coach at the base in Mayport.

seraosha
05-20-2009, 12:09 PM
Gizzard tacos...yuuuuummmm.

Martial
05-20-2009, 12:49 PM
Ahh, yes. Nothing like buying your lunch from one truck and eating it in another.

Laworkerbee
05-20-2009, 02:38 PM
Ahh, good old Roach Coaches. They are like mobile 7-11s; too bad they don't exist around here.

The thing is, these trucks are inspected more often than restaurants and have to meet higher expectations before heading out on the road.

"Roach Coach" is a very unfair term.

Gleipnir
05-20-2009, 02:44 PM
Taco trucks have never done me wrong. I visit these often and highly recommend them.

SiEMpre_Leal
05-20-2009, 03:13 PM
They're making them adhere to basic standards required of the restaurants? Those bastards!
I think you're seeing less of them because the construction industry has taken a major hit with the credit/mortgage mess along with the fact that immigration has been tightened a little.

Mmmmm...tacos. However, I think I'll be going to a restaurant. You guys that take a chance on these mobile E. coli machines...more power to ya's.

what makes you think you wont get e-coli from them?

SiEMpre_Leal
05-20-2009, 03:17 PM
It all depends on the driver/operated on these trucks..if the operated of these trucks want to make good big businesss they have to keep there food fresh and keep the truck clean...i should know..i used to work in these trucks with my old man.

bd popeye
05-20-2009, 03:23 PM
Whatever happened to free enterprise?

Taco trucks offer's fresh food, accessibilty, bring life to otherwise empty sidewalks, and great value.

The food nazi's in San Francisco even banned taco trucks at high schools. It's an outrage because it forces the kids to eat school lunch crap.

Support your local Taco Truck!!!!!

Right on!

I wish there was one single taco truck in the ethnically challenged state of Iowa. The people here think Taco Bell is Mexican Food.

Panchito12
05-20-2009, 04:40 PM
Gizzard tacos...yuuuuummmm.

Es muy bueno with hot sauce!!!

RxOnco
05-20-2009, 05:11 PM
what makes you think you wont get e-coli from them?

Not saying you won't...but I'll take my chances. We've got plenty of great restuarants around here. I'll go with them. It wasn't until recently, the last 5 years or so, that Houston started mandating a license for these vendors. Health concern was the biggest issue.

Ordie
05-20-2009, 05:42 PM
Not saying you won't...but I'll take my chances. We've got plenty of great restuarants around here. I'll go with them. It wasn't until recently, the last 5 years or so, that Houston started mandating a license for these vendors. Health concern was the biggest issue.

The chances of getting sick at a restaurant are much greater because they recycle food stored in the coolers. Plus they need to deal with plates, cups and utilsils.

Brunches and buffets are the worst for food safety.

Taco trucks usually buy as much as the need fresh for a single day because of limited space and usually served on a sanitary paper plate. Taco trucks are always made to order.

Same was true when I traveled in China. I never got sick because Chinese are fanatical about fresh daily food and always wash down a meal with hot tea.

Hot Lips
05-20-2009, 08:23 PM
If they were servicing construction sites and remote business parks during lunch hour that would be one thing, but the last time we delved into this subject the push back was on the fact that they were less about being mobile and more about parking in residential and brick/mortar resturant areas complete with lawnchairs. Drawing complaints from neighbors that didn't like the loud music, littering, and loitering in their neighborhoods. And from resturants owners who were living in and investing in the community while someone from out of town (and possibly with out of country help) was scalping business out from under them, clogging their parking lots with people not patronizing the owner's business, etc.

I've worked in industrial parks and would have welcomed a mobile vendor or two stopping by during lunch. But I can empathize with resturant owners who invest in the community only to have somone from out of town using their sidewalk or parking lot to undermine their efforts.

I might even welcome a pass through the neighborhood on weekends... not stopping and setting out lawn chairs, playing music, having people gathering and littering up the area, etc. On the move... mobile.

If they aren't prepared to actually be mobile, then let them invest in real estate and actually compete with local businesses instead of trying to scalp business and run.

Ordie
05-20-2009, 08:42 PM
A good market to serve are the late night dance clubs where they are located in the werehouse districts and most restaurants are closed.

Weekend farmers markets are a good place.

Having street vendors is a good means of bring life back into main streets. People generally are attracted to other people in public spaces.

Hot Lips
05-20-2009, 08:49 PM
1 + 2. Yes. Last one... meh. I'm bothered by street vendors in high traffic areas. Downtown lunch hour is crazy enough without a trucking blocking 1 lane of traffic and people blocking the sidewalk.

Henry's Fork
05-20-2009, 08:57 PM
Praise Allah that i still live near Oakland. The best Taco wagons on the west coast hands down are in Oakland or San Leandro, much better than anything SF has in way of wagons. The taco wagons that dont move and/or have been fenced in are always good, the best is on High St. and International Blvd. They have a line from 6 in the morning to midnite to get unbeateable carnitas, pastor or asada. Any wagon that makes pupusas ranks high in my book aswell.

Feckme i want some pupusas now. Droool.

nullterm
05-20-2009, 09:07 PM
I've never been lucky enough to have eaten from a taco truck. But having eaten at a high school caf, hands off and let the people serve some decent food! If they're able to make a living selling quality meals to hungry people, leave it be.

We've got tons of hot dog carts around town. Some have these weird Japanese themes hot dogs that scare me (only in Vancouver). I'd love to see a taco stand.

Supplanter
05-20-2009, 10:46 PM
Some have these weird Japanese themes hot dogs that scare me (only in Vancouver).

Japa Dog, personally I've never tried it but on one of the "No Reservations" episodes in Vancouver Anthony Bourdain tried it :)

boone
05-20-2009, 10:58 PM
Japa Dog, personally I've never tried it but on one of the "No Reservations" episodes in Vancouver Anthony Bourdain tried it :)
Japadog is the sh*t . (http://www.seriouseats.com/2007/09/serious-sandwiches-the-japadog.html) And that is the double-truth, Ruth. (http://www.vancouversun.com/Entertainment/Vancouver+Japadog+phenomeon+dogs+Japanese+style/1525503/story.html)
Worked downtown on the RAV line tunnel exit. Lineups every lunch break.

nullterm
05-20-2009, 11:30 PM
Japa Dog, personally I've never tried it but on one of the "No Reservations" episodes in Vancouver Anthony Bourdain tried it :)

That show pretty much made them. Before I didn't know they existed. Then saw that episode one Sunday. The next Monday I was downtown and there was a stand across from Burrard Skytrain station with a line of 20 people. Now they're all over downtown.

Mayo on a 'dog? That's just wrong.

Eztyga
05-21-2009, 07:09 AM
"Roach Coach" is a very unfair term.

Its a term of endearment, same as Cholera Cart...

Gleipnir
05-21-2009, 11:05 AM
. Any wagon that makes pupusas ranks high in my book aswell.


x2

message too short? El Salvadorean pupusas FTW!

RxOnco
05-21-2009, 11:26 AM
Have to agree with you on that one. We've got a girl from El Salvador in our office. She brings them in once a week or so. Between those, and the tamales the cleaning lady brings...I'm in heaven.

LaoSexMachine
05-21-2009, 09:43 PM
They are a dime a dozen here in Houston. Tripa Tacos FTMFW.