Marine letter to al-qaeda

[American Patriot]

To the terrorists currently operating in Iraq,

I see that you have captured a U. S. Marine, and that you plan to cut off his head if your demands are not met. Big mistake. Before you carry out your threat I suggest you read up on Marine Corps history. The Japanese tried the same thing on Makin Island and in a few other places during World War Two, and came to regret it. Go ahead and read about what then happened to the mighty Imperial Army on Tarawa, Iwo Jima and Okinawa. They paid full price for what they did, and you will too.

You look at America and you see a soft target, and to a large extent you are right. Our country is filled with a lot of spoiled people who drive BMWs, sip decaf lattes and watch ridiculous reality TV shows. They are for the most part decent, hard working citizens, but they are soft. When you cut off Nick Berg's head those people gasped, and you got the media coverage you sought, and then those people went back to their lives. This time it is different. We also have a warrior culture in this country, and they are called Marines. It is a brotherhood forged in the fire of many wars, and the bond between us is stronger than blood. While it is true that this country has produced nitwits like Michael Moore, Howard Dean and Jane Fonda who can be easily manipulated by your gruesome tactics, we have also produced men like Jason Dunham, Brian Chontosh and Joseph Perez. If you don't recognize those names you should. They are all Marines who distinguished themselves fighting to liberate Iraq, and there will be many more just like them coming for you.

Before the current politically correct climate enveloped our culture one of the recruiting slogans of our band of brothers was "The Marine Corps Builds Men." You will soon find out just how true that is. You, on the other hand, are nothing but a bunch of women. If you were men you would show your faces, and take us on in a fair fight. Instead, you are cowards who hide behind masks and decapitate helpless victims. If you truly represented the interest of the Iraqi people you would not be ambushing those who come to your country to repair your power plants, or sabotage the oil pipelines which fuel the Iraqi economy. Your agenda is hate, plain and simple.

When you raise that sword over your head I want you to remember one thing. Corporal Wassef Ali Hassoun is not alone as he kneels before you. Every Marine who has ever worn the uniform is there with him, and when you strike him you are striking all of us. If you think the Marines were tough on you when they were cleaning out Fallujah a few weeks ago you haven't seen anything yet. If you want to know what it feels like to have the Wrath of God called down upon you then go ahead and do it. We are not Turkish truck drivers, or Pakistani laborers, or independent contractors hoping to find work in your country. We are the United States Marines, and we will be coming for you.

Thanks,
David C.

[LordHalbert]

Unfortunately, the US has a bunch of politically correct bean counters commanding the military.

Back in the good ol days of WWII, Fallujah would be nothing but a pile of burnt rubble.

However, we live in the days where terrorist detainees have the rights to a fair trial, must not be tortured, and must be fed culturally correct cuisine.

It's a shame but that's the truth :cantbeli:

If I was in charge of that prison in Iraq, the prisoners would be begging to be killed. And the only thing they'd be fed would be rotten pig brains and pig blood to drink.

[usa320]

HELL YES....

:fork:

[tuckerhat]

Roger that

[Tane Angle]

Consider this: Being PC for the American public has nothing to do with it. HUMINT does. You insult the Iraqi people, any sources that were talking will dry up, and then any hope of recovering the hostages intact will be lost. We have to be respectful, because that saves lives.

Think on that one, usa320. I have seen more than a few confrontations in Iraq between intelligence and hostage rescue personnel versus personnel who had recently disrespected Iraqis. Why the hostility on the part of the intelligence and rescue folks? Because the insulters were sabotaging the rescue effort.

So next time you want to go pour pig's blood on some dead body or something like that, ask if it is worth a hostage's life. Because that is the cost.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[usa320]

Make no mistake: The United States will hunt down and punish those responsible for these cowardly acts.


Tane, im gonna disagree with ya on this one. I understand where you are comming from, and in some situations i would agree. But in this instance Screw sensitivity and political correctness. Theyve got one of our boys and they are going to kill him. We need to do whatever is humanly possible to get him back.

If you were in that situation, im sure you would want the same.

MARINES DO NOT LEAVE A BROTHER BEHIND.

[Fintin]

Make no mistake: The United States will hunt down and punish those responsible for these cowardly acts.


Tane, im gonna disagree with ya on this one. Screw sensitivity and political correctness. Theyve got one of our boys and they are going to kill him. We need to do whatever is humanly possible to get him back.

If you were in that situation, im sure you would want the same.

MARINES DO NOT LEAVE A BROTHER BEHIND.

clean up on aisle 3..someone spilled their brains....usa....did you read what he said....its that attitude that gets people killed....when you are insensitive it give the impression that we feel we are better then them....we are not.....just different....if we respect them, they will eventualy respect us...simple as that....go read the back of the

[usa320]

you know part of me wants to agree with you... i realize the fallout of the action...

but part of me thinks what if i was in Cpl.Hassoun's position...

[Tane Angle]

Believe me, I have plenty of experience with such situations. Being respectful is every bit as ruthless as coercion and things worse (and no, I'm not just talking about torture). Think those HUMINT folks are respectful because they feel like it? They are respectful because that is the key to getting information. Did you even read my post?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18494&sid=17533d6324891927f02da93056d4352f
And while pretty much every other US Marine I have had the privilege and honor of knowing have been true to their people, let's take a look at syndicate Oliver North, who was real loyal to his fellow Marines, wasn't he? Real good about honoring his oath?

[usa320]

yeah i guess your right...

[SeanAshi]

its that attitude that gets people killedAttitude has nothing todo with it :cantbeli: Who they are, what they beleive is what its about.

[Tane Angle]

And how are you going to figure out who they are unless you get a name or a location? And how are you going to get that kind of information? HUMINT.

[SeanAshi]

You can have good devout muslims who know all about Iraqi customs, and show or give them respect in everyway possible, who would have their throats cut for having any assocation with the United States or the new US backed Iraqi government.

[Ratamacue]

Sean, you're completely missing the point.

[Tane Angle]

Sean, and that's why we'd better be extra nice to them, because they're taking a mighty big risk in helping the coalition. If we just piss on their culture, think that will make them more likely or less likely to help?

[Ratamacue]

Sean, and that's why we'd better be extra nice to them, because they're taking a mighty big risk in helping the coalition. If we just piss on their culture, think that will make them more likely or less likely to help?
Why bother? Wouldn't dropping a couple nukes across the country just solve the problem? 'Cause, you know, it solved WW2 and stuff, so that makes it applicable to all of today's problems.

[SeanAshi]

Sean, and that's why we'd better be extra nice to them, because they're taking a mighty big risk in helping the coalition. If we just piss on their culture, think that will make them more likely or less likely to help?Remember we are the Great Satan look what we did for Saudi Arabia and we don't exactly have good relations with them. Our support of Israel we always over shadow everything else.

[Tane Angle]

;)

[Tane Angle]

No, being respectful and having a wad of money overshadows just about everything.

[Mongrel]

You, on the other hand, are nothing but a bunch of women.

Well not to nit pick but I know many women that can kick some serious ass. The ones trained in Combat arts are even more ruthless, and have no boundries when they go off. Rare I know, but I'd hate to discount them.

I sure hope the Marine comes home safe sound and Alive. Don't the Marines have a motto not to leave a man behind? Or is that the Navy Seals?

BTW: I like the reffrence to WW2 Marines vs Japan, them were tough men in a tough battle for those crappy little Islands...hence the old saying when you think you are having a bad day "tell it to the Marines".

Cheers!
M.

[SeanAshi]

Yes we need to gain their respect, our soldiers need to know more about their culture and not be so offensive and rude and that we are there to help them in the troubleling times....

[SeanAshi]

Its not eazy for us either, its very expensive, its political sucicide for whoever's in office.

[Ratamacue]

I sure hope the Marine comes home safe sound and Alive. Don't the Marines have a motto not to leave a man behind? Or is that the Navy Seals?
"Leave no man behind" is basically the belief of the entire military. The Marines' motto is "Semper Fidelis" ("Always Faithful") which can be interpreted in much the same way. No one's going to give up on this guy so long as his life or his body are in the hands of these criminals.

[Bombtrack]

You, on the other hand, are nothing but a bunch of women.

Well not to nit pick but I know many women that can kick some serious ass. The ones trained in Combat arts are even more ruthless, and have no boundries when they go off. Rare I know, but I'd hate to discount them.

Think of it in a radical Muslim context though - it'd be really f'ing insulting for thoe men to be called women

[Mongrel]

Think of it in a radical Muslim context though - it'd be really f'ing insulting for thoe men to be called women

I totaly get this, but I can just see the disapointed looks on the service womens faces when they get to that part. To me insulting down one group of people to get at another waters the issue down, and makes one lose allies.

On that note Just think of how these scum bags would feel getting bayonetted by a Female Soldier.
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Cheers!
M.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

No, being respectful and having a wad of money overshadows just about everything.


Alot more people to listen to Tane, he knows what hes talking about. In a situation like this hurling insults at the people or iraq only complicates things.

Usa320 and SeanAshi need to take some notes.

[fantassin]

A good starting point would be for the Jarheads to stop talking about "have you killed something today" and "trigger time"...thgose who have yet to go to Iraq feel deprived because they have not been blooded yet and are seen as lesser men than those who have.

The culture of killing and violence in such in the MC that all the PC in the world won't stop stupid behaviour of pimple-faced 19 years old fed on gore films, ****, Fox News brain wash and testosterone.

An induction in British tactics and self reflexion on the use of brute power would also help greatly.

And the broadening of personal culture behond the browsing of car dealerships websites to prepare for the purchase of a new SUV when Marine John Doe comes back from the war would help too.

And this is said after having deployed alongside Marines for months.

[American Patriot]

A good starting point would be for the Jarheads to stop talking about "have you killed something today" and "trigger time"...thgose who have yet to go to Iraq feel deprived because they have not been blooded yet and are seen as lesser men than those who have.

The culture of killing and violence in such in the MC that all the PC in the world won't stop stupid behaviour of pimple-faced 19 years old fed on gore films, ****, Fox News brain wash and testosterone.

An induction in British tactics and self reflexion on the use of brute power would also help greatly.

And the broadening of personal culture behond the browsing of car dealerships websites to prepare for the purchase of a new SUV when Marine John Doe comes back from the war would help too.

And this is said after having deployed alongside Marines for months.

Reminds me of that Reno 9/11 episode :lol:

[seruriermarshal]

Ok , in fact , now we needn't send a letter to al-qaeda , and need send some terrorists's head to them .

[Bayonet]

Where is your american special force?

I think thouse f/u/c/k/i/n/g terrorists will continue to capture american

soldiers and other foreigners in Iraq because no one retaliate them ...

They capture a foreigner in Iraq and ask some impossible requirements

and then kill the hostages....

It has been a a vicious circle.

It has been a model to other terrorists..

We should take some steps to make those f/u/c/k/i/n/g terrorists know

clearly that they will pay for this..

Before they kill the hostage, we should try to find and save the hostage

out. After they kill the hostage,,find out the murders and kill them all!!!

Make terrorists feel terror...

Excuse my poor English.....

[Ratamacue]

A good starting point would be for the Jarheads to stop talking about "have you killed something today" and "trigger time"...thgose who have yet to go to Iraq feel deprived because they have not been blooded yet and are seen as lesser men than those who have.

The culture of killing and violence in such in the MC that all the PC in the world won't stop stupid behaviour of pimple-faced 19 years old fed on gore films, ****, Fox News brain wash and testosterone.

An induction in British tactics and self reflexion on the use of brute power would also help greatly.

And the broadening of personal culture behond the browsing of car dealerships websites to prepare for the purchase of a new SUV when Marine John Doe comes back from the war would help too.

And this is said after having deployed alongside Marines for months.
Someone needs to get over their personal bias against the US.

[Fargin]

You can't win the hearts and minds with an ironfist.

The paradox is everytime civilians die the US are to blaim not the actual perpetrators. Why because US is the liberator and the security. Evertime innocent are imprissoned or killed, security has failed. US are responsible for the safty of the iraqi people not the terrorists. Whenever retaliations harm innocent people or cultural/religious values, US lose a heart and a mind.

US main focus should be to do good. Fight the resistance while minimize collateral damage, increase security for the people and decrease provokiative behaviour.

Pigs blood and nukes are...


I mean, c'mon, I can't believe you're being serious. You can't be so completly clueless of the consequences of such divine stupidities.

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[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Wouldnt be the first time the right wing extremists on the site have talked about nuking Iraq.

No respect for the local population is going to be the downfall of the whole "Operation Iraqi Freedom", even look yourself. Guys like Deut think its a joke to call locals "rag heads", and even have a ****load more slanderous names for them.

In short, if your captured or taken prisoner your screwed.

[Scottie]

y did i post this....hmmm

Marines all the way! :bash:

[One_A]

...Someone needs to get over their personal bias against the US.

Why does he NEED to?

[ZeroPositive]

I would fight a real war where we took no prisoners and just killed everyone off... to make it simple :)

Sorry getting picked on by family again so in a ****e mood.

[fantassin]

Replace "personal bias" with "personal field experience in operational area" if you don't want to distort my words.

[Tane Angle]

Well I've worked with Marines, and in my humble experience, the Marine Corps is pretty dang smart on a lot of things. I like the Marines. Good folks.

[fantassin]

Yes, definitly, never said the contrary; they just have an adolescent-like fascination with blood, death and violence that does not go well with nation-building and COIN.

An example; a USMC work colleague of mine spending hours on end watching the decapitation of nick Berg on internet....

I much prefer the Brit approach for that reason.

[Ratamacue]

Marine Corps basic training is meant to make you as effective of a killing machine as possible. Perhaps that's not very PC, but it seems to have been rather effective in the major wars they've participated in within the last century, don't you agree? In addition, read some of the articles that have been posted. The Marines have been setting up many programs in Iraq to help win hearts and minds. They'll set up "patrols" specifically to go around towns and buy stuff from local shop owners. I believe they've started to go on patrols sans helmets, much like the Brits and Canadians (could be wrong on that one). The Marine mindset is that of a warrior, perhaps even bloodthirsty, but the Marine Corps doesn't operate with those interests in mind.

[Tane Angle]

By the way, since Ratamacue pointed out the training all Marines go through, I wanted to say that I think that is a good example of the Marines being smart. Every soldier should know how to soldier. Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[fantassin]

I do agree but let's not forget that within the MC infantrymen are a minority...it's packed full of avionics specialists, photographers, clerks, MT drivers, staff secretaries and the like; to present the whole of the MC as one big lean killing machine is a fraud.

[Tane Angle]

What I meant is that those secretaries still know what to do if their shot at, if they are in extreme situations unexpectedly.

[Fintin]

I do agree but let's not forget that within the MC infantrymen are a minority...it's packed full of avionics specialists, photographers, clerks, MT drivers, staff secretaries and the like; to present the whole of the MC as one big lean killing machine is a fraud.

i think you fail to relize all those clerks and drivers and photographers are just as well trianed on their rifle as the grunts eatting snakes out in the field...not to mention, without the formentioned support roles those infantrymen wouldnt be able to do their jobs...machines done have just one part....so the whole corpe is one lean killing force

[fantassin]

I think you fail to realize I am currently deployed with what you call a lean fighting force and that it is quite far from that description.

[Fintin]

I think you fail to realize I am currently deployed with what you call a lean fighting force and that it is quite far from that description.

so you didnt learn how to shoot your weapon?...you were never trained how to kill?...i really fail to see where your coming from...on the whole, the marines fight...even if you arnt on the front line you are still doing your part

[SeanAshi]

In short, if your captured or taken prisoner your screwed.What the hell did Daniel Pearl ever do to anyone? He was murdered for being an American Jew...not because American soldiers were mistreating Afghans. You can give Iraqis all the respect in the world, and the rebels would still kill torture all they capture.

[Mongrel]

The idea is not to load the gun that is going to be fired at you.
Respect is earned..not a right...esp' in that area of the world.

Cheers!
M.

[Roxer]

Yes, definitly, never said the contrary; they just have an adolescent-like fascination with blood, death and violence that does not go well with nation-building and COIN.

An example; a USMC work colleague of mine spending hours on end watching the decapitation of nick Berg on internet....

I much prefer the Brit approach for that reason.


Maybe you need to understand the purpose of the Marines. They are not the Army and unfortuneately are being used in a role that does not suit their purpose. Their job is to knock down the door for the Army. Army does the holding actions - not Marines. They are trained on this premise. The simple fact that they were used exclusively in the Pacific, and not in Europe (for WWII and not WWI - but same applies) should help that out. Look at their missions in Korea and Vietnam too. So don't blame the Marines for being placed in the wrong role. They are trained to be warriors, not cops. I'm sure that's what you meant.

[fantassin]

I don't disagree with that; the sad thing is that with an overstretched US Army, Marines end up doing occupation duty or peacekeeping.

In all honesty, they start to realize that firepower is not always the only option. Even if it's often the prefered one....

[Mongrel]

I don't think anyone of reasonable intelligence is blaming the Marines, but somewhere along the line there has to be someone in the chain of command that says "hey what the hell are Marines here for?"
"This isn't what they are trained for".

Make sense?

Also of note I can tell yah I personally wouldn't want to serve in any military capacity with someone watching a beheading over and over again...that person needs proffessional help IMHO.

Cheers!
M.

[to free the oppressed]

Unfortunately, the US has a bunch of politically correct bean counters commanding the military.

Back in the good ol days of WWII, Fallujah would be nothing but a pile of burnt rubble.

However, we live in the days where terrorist detainees have the rights to a fair trial, must not be tortured, and must be fed culturally correct cuisine.

It's a shame but that's the truth :cantbeli:

If I was in charge of that prison in Iraq, the prisoners would be begging to be killed. And the only thing they'd be fed would be rotten pig brains and pig blood to drink.
I'm going to like this guy :)

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Marines fully understand the doctrine of OOTW. They've theorised and practised it throughout their entire history. If you don't agree I suggest you do some research, you'll be suprised.

fantassin wrote,

An example; a USMC work colleague of mine spending hours on end watching the decapitation of nick Berg on internet....

So?, since when is one man indicative of an entire institution?. Any military unit is going to be, generally, a representative cross section of its society. Should all of the DGSE be judged on the stupidity of a few operators who got caught after sinking an unarmed ship and murdering a civilian on board?.You'll always find undesirables in any military unit.


A good starting point would be for the Jarheads to stop talking about "have you killed something today" and "trigger time"...thgose who have yet to go to Iraq feel deprived because they have not been blooded yet and are seen as lesser men than those who have.

That attitude, distasteful as it may be for some, is what enables them to face their foes, day in, day out. Just think how history might have been different if certain european countrys had instilled that spirit into their armys.......


An induction in British tactics and self reflexion on the use of brute power would also help greatly.

The US and Royal Marines exchange personnel and exercise together fairly regularly. A while ago we had a Royal Marine officer here on exchange who'd done a tour as an instructor at the USMC Officer Candidates School and The Basic School. He brought with him some of their lesson plans on disc, much of which was derived from brit experience in NI. They weren't his lesson plans. They were USMC lesson plans.

In my personal operational experience the USMC proved themselves to be far superior to their army counterparts in OOTW. Their flexability and commonsense, coupled with a fair and extremely firm attitude made them very effective. The Somali's thought so to.

[Falco]

I do agree but let's not forget that within the MC infantrymen are a minority...it's packed full of avionics specialists, photographers, clerks, MT drivers, staff secretaries and the like; to present the whole of the MC as one big lean killing machine is a fraud.

Infantrymen need logistic clercs to keep them supplied with ammunition, pilots, need avionic specialists to keep their aircraft flying. A good fightin force isn't all about the warriors.

[Magua]

The US and Royal Marines exchange personnel and exercise together fairly regularly.

For years, the head Physical Training Instructor at Marine OCS has been a Royal Marine Color Sergeant. During the last couple of training days at OCS, candidates go through a Royal Marine PT session with the Color Sergeant. Very interesting and tough workout.

[Mongrel]

Very interesting and tough workout.

I'd love to see what this looks like.

Cheers!
M.

[talib_killa34]

"rotten pig brains and pig blood to drink"




gaaaawddamn, that's harsh! ;)

[SeanAshi]

"rotten pig brains and pig blood to drink"
Bacon cheese burger from Burger King, throw them like grenades.

[Mongrel]

Oh no! Don't be waisting them Bacon Cheese Burgers!

I'm sure that would bring the Marines down on your head as I doubt they have seen one in many months, and would prob' kill for one right now. rofl :D

Cheers!
M.