Egypt started to slaughter pigs

[Ichhabe]

How barbaric can a country be? How so over the top can the government be to try to prevent something that these poor animals are not the fault of?
Normally I am quite strict when it comes to boycot a country, but this **** is so unbelivable cruel that even words can't describe it. I will never set my foot in that land unless I'm part of an military invasion.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090429/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_swine_flu


WARNING: NSFW or any decent human being. Horrible live pics of the "slaughtering" of pigs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYB4sDKh3FI

[Civil Guard]

I will never set my foot in that land unless I'm part of an military invasion.

X2

i hope the pigs gets there revenge :-*$

[kosse]

Humans are not treated much better in that part of the world. Helps to put things into perspective.

[RICHICOQUI]

Its a muslem right?! why there so many pigs there?

[Ulytau]

Its a muslem right?! why there so many pigs there?

Tourism....

As i heard from the news two pig farm in Turkiye close to my city too :| :)

[NathS]

Its a muslem right?! why there so many pigs there?

They belong to the christian minority (Copts).

[Ulytau]

They belong to the christian minority (Copts).

Main reason is the tourism mate,especially some hotels have some specials etc. as i know many Christians who living this countries dont eatin pig much too,some of them never.

[alexz]

Its a muslem right?! why there so many pigs there?

Egypt has a population of 15 million Christian copts. Pigs are a main staple of thier diet and they probably owned the farms.

[seraosha]

Damn, all that wasted bacon and chops. And sausage.
That's a shame.

[muck]

They belong to the christian minority (Copts).And that's why the pigs are killed, not for the swine flu.
The Muslim Brotherhood has massively lobbied for this slaughter, stating that swine flu would be worse than an atomic bomb. :roll:

[RoyB]

That's horrible.
RIP pigs, really.

[tea drinker]

I didn't look at the vid, no point, I can guess.
It's a pity to hurt animals, particularly one as intelligent as pigs are.
I'd say chickens are far more dangerous to Egypt, and if there markets are anything like I expect that is real bomb waiting to go off.

But never let reality get in the way of bigotry and all that.

[nemowork]

Its a muslem right?! why there so many pigs there?

Not only Copts, Egypt has a multi-million dollar tourist industry and all the Yanks and Brits in those tourist hotels need to be kept fat dumb and happy.

Egypt has been keeping Western tourists fed and watered since the early 1800's (thank you Thomas Cook) and tend to be very relaxed about the flaws of foreigners as long as they support the economy while being fairly religious and conservative at home.

[THESPEAR]

Why couldn't they sell them instead?

[nemowork]

Because it allows a fundamentalist religious minority to make a publicity splash that not only keeps the locals in line but makes publicity all through the web! Its all about steering public perception not only in Egypt but in the international community about Egypt.

Judging by all the publicity and this thread i guess they succeeded!

[khukuri]

Did you guys conveniently leave out this part...







Egypt responded similarly a few years ago to an outbreak of bird flu, which is endemic to the country and has killed two dozen people.





Global health experts said the mass slaughter of pigs is entirely unnecessary and a waste of resources. But Egypt's reaction was colored by its experiences with bird flu.

Bird flu started sweeping through poultry populations across Asia in 2003 and then jumped to humans, killing more than 250 worldwide.

Egypt was among the countries hardest hit. According to the World Health Organization, it has the world's fourth highest death toll — after Indonesia, Vietnam and China — and the largest outside of Asia. WHO has confirmed 23 deaths in Egypt and Egyptian authorities have reported three more deaths in recent weeks.

Chickens used to roam every dusty street in every village across Egypt, and many of its city alleys too. But when the disease first appeared here in February 2006, 25 million birds were killed within weeks, devastating the poultry sector and particularly the family farmers. Chickens nearly all vanished from sight, slaughtered, abandoned or locked away by a population increasingly aware of, and frightened by, the disease's stubborn grip.


But I guess Islam bashing is a more rewarding activity on mp,net.

[Arnie100]

Still a bit of overkill, don'cha think?

[NimDod]

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http://www.youtube.com/v/WtwhkS6-QHY

[matthew.manhorn]

Can't believe there are so many PETA members in this thread....aren't slaughterhouses in developed countries any better?

[PeterRJG]

Can't believe there are so many PETA members in this thread....aren't slaughterhouses in developed countries any better?

They kill them in a far more humane way. The animal is insensate when it's slaughtered in an abattoir.

[khukuri]

Still a bit of overkill, don'cha think?

Overkill and totally stupid, but not some type of Islamic Barbary as some here try to make it look.


Anyone remember the mad cow disease, and all the cows put out in the UK?

[Ichhabe]

Overkill and totally stupid, but not some type of Islamic Barbary as some here try to make it look.


Anyone remember the mad cow disease, and all the cows put out in the UK?


This is not about muslim bashing or try to make it look like Islamic barbary. You seem to miss the point totally.

If you look at the videoes put out on youtube you see that they scoop them up alive with Caterpillars and bury them alive in pits.

I can understand that they feel they need to get rid of the "problem" quickly but there have to be better an humane ways to do it.
I don't have sympathy with PETA or any violent pro-animal or tree hugging societies but for cryingh out loud; If you do not find this to be barbaric then you have no soul and I pity you.

[khukuri]

This is not about muslim bashing or try to make it look like Islamic barbary. You seem to miss the point totally.

If you look at the videoes put out on youtube you see that they scoop them up alive with Caterpillars and bury them alive in pits.

I can understand that they feel they need to get rid of the "problem" quickly but there have to be better an humane ways to do it.
I don't have sympathy with PETA or any violent pro-animal or tree hugging societies but for cryingh out loud; If you do not find this to be barbaric then you have no soul and I pity you.


I dont accuse you of saying that but others that posted in the thread. As for the method... absolutely agree, but then its a country under different circumstances. Doesn't make it right but its easy to criticise people in third world countries for animal cruelty.

[Holmes85]

In Afghanistan, I heard there is little to worry about because they quarantined their only pig. Yep, heard correctly, the country of Afghanistan only has one pig.

Check It Out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8038368.stm

[cbreedon]

I am no PETA person, but I have seen pigs do the things that dogs do i.e. know there name and come on command etc. If this was a video of dogs the whole world would be coming down on Egypt.

[Kilgor]

Anyone remember the mad cow disease, and all the cows put out in the UK?

Clumsily bashing the pig over the head with a hammer is not the way.

[ren0312]

Clumsily bashing the pig over the head with a hammer is not the way.

I take it you are against hunting then?

[Eoin666]

Can't believe there are so many PETA members in this thread....aren't slaughterhouses in developed countries any better?

:roll:, have you been eating too much mechanically recovered beef.......here they're stunned and then killed, not bulldozed into a box alive


Anyone remember the mad cow disease, and all the cows put DOWN in the UK?

Yes we do, and the foot and mouth culls, again they were regulated, animals were generally shot by trained marksmen and slaughtermen. I saw the fields of buring cows in Gloucestershire, which was nice......but the point is they were dead first.


I take it you are against hunting then?

No not hunting per se, just idiots who don't know how to kill cleanly and efficiently leaving the animals to suffer. Take a look at the tossers in China skinning dogs alive, because they don't know how to kill the animal quickly without damaging it's pelt. Or that f**kwit American woman who killed the elephant with a bow and left it to die over night.

It's not about comparing the way humans treat other humans, or animals, it's about what's right surely?

[ren0312]

:roll:, have you been eating too much mechanically recovered beef.......here they're stunned and then killed, not bulldozed into a box alive



Yes we do, and the foot and mouth culls, again they were regulated, animals were generally shot by trained marksmen and slaughtermen. I saw the fields of buring cows in Gloucestershire, which was nice......but the point is they were dead first.



No not hunting per se, just idiots who don't know how to kill cleanly and efficiently leaving the animals to suffer. Take a look at the tossers in China skinning dogs alive, because they don't know how to kill the animal quickly without damaging it's pelt. Or that f**kwit American woman who killed the elephant with a bow and left it to die over night.

It's not about comparing the way humans treat other humans, or animals, it's about what's right surely?

What about fox hunting, or hunters who are really poor shots so they need several hits in order to kill game, or just take an automatic weapon just to be safe, in case they miss and the animal comes charging towars them.

[Natasha]

hey there's nothing fancier than running through the forests like a maniac, hunting deer with an UZI in each hand

[markjh]

Speechless...:cantbeli:


Egyptian Religious Endowments Ministry Official: The Pigs Living Today Are Descended from Jews – And Must Be Slaughtered

According to a May 9, 2009 report in the Jordanian Arabic-language news website www.factjo.com, the superintendent of da'wa affairs at the Egyptian Ministry of Religious Endowments, Sheikh Ahmad 'Ali 'Othman, has issued a fatwa stating that all pigs living today are descended from Jews and must therefore be slaughtered.

Following are excerpts:

Sheikh 'Othman: The Jews that Allah Turned into Swine Were the Forefathers of Today's Pigs

According to the website, Sheikh 'Othman states in his fatwa that all pigs are descended from the Jews whom Allah transformed into apes, swine and worshippers of Satan, and must therefore be slaughtered. He bases this on Koran 5:60: "Shall I point out to you something much worse than this, [as judged] by the treatment it received from Allah? Those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped Satan - these are [many times] worse in rank, and far more astray from the even path!"

The report states: "'Othman argues that this verse [refers] to the people of Moses, and that [Muslim commentators] Ibn Kathir, Al-Tabari and Al-Qassimi bring proof of this in their books. He [also] points out that there are two schools of thought on this among the Koranic commentators: One opinion states that the Jews whom Allah turned into swine remained that way and died without multiplying, while the other says that they did multiply and that their descendants are still alive today.

"In support [of the latter opinion], the sheikh quotes hadiths in which the Prophet describes one of the signs that will herald the arrival of Judgment Day: The Jews will turn into pigs and will then be swallowed up by the earth."

The report quotes 'Othman as saying: "I personally tend to believe that the pigs living today are descended from those Jews, and that is why Allah forbade us to eat them, saying, 'Forbidden unto you [for food] are carrion and blood and swineflesh [Koran 5:3].' In addition, one of the things that Jesus will do when he returns to earth on Judgment Day is kill all the pigs, and that is proof that they are descended from Jews. All the pigs on earth will be destroyed by Jesus on Judgment Day."

'Othman also says that "he who eats pork is like one who eats the bread of an impure man," and that "the divine religions, [namely] Christianity and Judaism in their undistorted [form], forbid the eating of pork."

According to the report, 'Othman claims that his fatwa is supported by some senior Al-Azhar sheikhs, who are afraid to express their opinion in public. 'Othman is quoted as saying: "I have presented my fatwa to the [Al-Azhar] Academy of Islamic Research, in order to obtain a clear opinion about it, but I have not yet received a [formal] reply. This is because [Al-Azhar] is afraid to issue such a fatwa, which may cause the ulema to be accused of antisemitism."

Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee Head: 'Othman's Statements Are Untrue

The report also presents the response of Sheikh 'Ali Abu Al-Hassan, head of the Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee. He calls 'Othman's statements "untrue," saying: "When Allah punishes a group of people because they have incurred his wrath, the punishment applies only to them. When Allah was angry with the people of Moses, he turned them [and only them] into apes and pigs. It was an unusual punishment, meant to serve as a deterrent to others. But [those apes and pigs] died, and did not multiply, as Sheikh Ahmad 'Ali 'Othman claims."
http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD235909

[cbreedon]

good to see that Sheikh Ahmad 'Ali 'Othman is a reasonable bloke.

[tea drinker]

Egyptian Religious Endowments Ministry Official: The Pigs Living Today Are Descended from Jews – And Must Be Slaughtered
Me and the wife both LOL'd at that.
How stuuuupid are these guys? I know that dumb people are often selected at en early age for a religous career - but come on, this guy must be a real knuckle dragger.

[TheOpposition]

Its a muslem right?! why there so many pigs there?


Was just goin to ask that...poor pigs didnt stand a chance.