What if Iran acted like the U.S. Government ? [Archive]

Midav

05-26-2009, 01:50 AM

What if someone actually tried to stop blaming the US for stuff?

Because this is one of those videos that is supposed to make you go hmmm wow that's just insightful! Wow, we need to easy up on them! We, the US, did this to them! We sure need to back off and let them develop on their own, regardless of current governments, politics, threats and whatnot!!

We don't share the same planet and should enact a Sta Trek'esque prime direcive.

Yes, the US has done some stupid things. Things I am not proud of. On the same token, the US has done good things. Things I am proud of. What I just said is no different for most any nation in the world. I know that's overly simplified, but bear with me. There's good and bad. A shame it's only the negative that most remember. Humans tend to remember the negative more than the positive.

I don't know why that is but it's always been so and I don't forsee that to change anytime soon.

As smart as the human race is, we're also the most ignorant species on this planet.

As ignorant as the US government can be to force its beliefs on some other nations, I think it's ignorant to say a woman has to have a headscarf on, that you have to pray, that you have a theology in office...

Toolhead

05-26-2009, 02:10 AM

not to mention the flashy animation in the video.

Octavariable

05-26-2009, 02:20 AM

click

05-26-2009, 02:29 AM

Creampuff

05-26-2009, 02:46 AM

What if Iran acted like the Japanese government post WWII?
giving up on militaristic ideas, turning passifist, and enjoying the biggest social and economicl boom the world has ever seen since the industrial revolution.

Im guessing that would take a miracle, given the government is not secular its politics are determined by its beliefs.

TR1

05-26-2009, 02:47 AM

What if Hessen acted like Bayern?!
And if the m16 shot without jamming!

LOL.
OK OK enough jokes that would never happen.

VEVAK

05-26-2009, 02:48 AM

What if Iran acted like the Japanese government post WWII?
giving up on militaristic ideas, turning passifist, and enjoying the biggest social and economicl boom the world has ever seen since the industrial revolution.

What if the US did that ? What if the US: Stopped being the World Police, stopped using CIA to overthrow governments, stopped supporting anti-Iranian terrorist groups such as Jondollah, cut its ties with dirty dictatorships like Saudi Arabia, and focused more on its own economy so Americans can benifit more than the Saudi family?!

click

05-26-2009, 02:52 AM

What if the US did that ? What if the US: Stopped being the World Police, stopped using CIA to overthrow governments, stopped supporting anti-Iranian terrorist groups such as Jondollah, cut its ties with dirty dictatorships like Saudi Arabia, and focused more on its own economy ?

What if you stopped being a troll?

While I believe the US can be a bit heavy handed at times in regards to its foreign policy, I believe all sovereign nations have that right.

Kilgor

05-26-2009, 02:54 AM

, stopped supporting anti-Iranian terrorist groups such as Jondollah, .

Wow.. gold...

VEVAK

05-26-2009, 02:58 AM

What if you stopped being a troll?

I am giving my own opinion, just like everybody else. If you call that trolling, than I guess everyone in this forum is a troll.

Toolhead

05-26-2009, 02:58 AM

VEVAK

05-26-2009, 03:02 AM

your in the wrong neighborhood.

I'm sorry but I dont see how Iran can turn into a post-WWII Japan while American remains the same.

click

05-26-2009, 03:05 AM

Nevermind.

BlackFlag

05-26-2009, 03:14 AM

Lets reverse it.

What if the US government acted like the Iranian Government?

Government is run by theocratic lunatics whom threaten to wipe Nation X off the map.

Government funds terrorist organizations to kill civilians in Nation X and elsewhere.

Homo******ity and adultery are punishable by death.

Government opresses free speech, freedom of assembly and the freedom of opinion.

On your last thread I asked you which of the four Iranian Presidential canidates you support. Your answer was:

There will be debates soon between all the 4 candidates (1 on 1 debates). Then the people would have a more clear mind about the candidates

Which either means you're Theocratic leaders supress information pertaining to what each canidate stands for, or you are too afraid of your IP being flagged by the government for something they don't agree with.

I agree that in the past, the US dealt Iran a pretty sh*tty deal. The worst part about it is that both sides are still paying for the bad decisions our parents and grand parents made on both sides.

kramer

05-26-2009, 03:18 AM

What if Hessen acted like Bayern?!
Then you guys would have a really really really funny accent.

VEVAK

05-26-2009, 03:31 AM

Lets reverse it.

What if the US government acted like the Iranian Government?

Government is run by theocratic lunatics whom threaten to wipe Nation X off the map.

Government funds terrorist organizations to kill civilians in Nation X and elsewhere.

Homo******ity and adultery are punishable by death.

Government opresses free speech, freedom of assembly and the freedom of opinion.

That was somewhat mentioned in the video. What if Iran acted like US and US acted like Iran (so reversed).

Which either means you're Theocratic leaders supress information pertaining to what each canidate stands for, or you are too afraid of your IP being flagged by the government for something they don't agree with.
:)
I was trying to say I have not made my decision because I want to the see the debates and learn more about their policies. The candidates are running in the legal system of the regime, therefore, I can support any of them openly and freely even in Iran without being afraid of the government.

I agree that in the past, the US dealt Iran a pretty sh*tty deal. The worst part about it is that both sides are still paying for the bad decisions our parents and grand parents made on both sides.
I agree with that.

ar15

05-26-2009, 03:34 AM

What if iran stopped opressing women, killing minority groups and supporting terrorism.

Snoshi

05-26-2009, 03:45 AM

What if the US did that ? What if the US: Stopped being the World Police, stopped using CIA to overthrow governments, stopped supporting anti-Iranian terrorist groups such as Jondollah, cut its ties with dirty dictatorships like Saudi Arabia, and focused more on its own economy so Americans can benifit more than the Saudi family?!

What if Iran stops being world terrorist supporter number one, stopped using IRGC to help create new terror groups, stopped supporting anti-US groups like Hezbollah and Hamas, cut the ties to dirty dictatorships like Syria and Sudan and focused more of its economy so Iranians can benefit more than the Arabs.

PH961

05-26-2009, 03:55 AM

What if Iran acted like the Japanese government post WWII?
giving up on militaristic ideas, turning passifist, and enjoying the biggest social and economicl boom the world has ever seen since the industrial revolution.
What gives you the right to say Iran should de-militarize? What sane nation would voluntarily de-militarize itself when it is sitting on top of imminent oil and natural gas wealth?

If Iran is going to be the one benefiting from it's own oil and gas wealth it needs to be able to protect this wealth. There are a lot of greedy criminals out there who would love to get their hands on Iran's oil and gas.

TR1

05-26-2009, 03:57 AM

What gives you the right to say Iran should de-militarize? What sane nation would voluntarily de-militarize itself when it is sitting on top of imminent oil and natural gas wealth?

If Iran is going to be the one benefiting from it's own oil and gas wealth it needs to be able to protect this wealth. There are a lot of greedy criminals out there who would love to get their hands on Iran's oil and gas.
What nation would demilitarize when the worlds premier military power has troops on two sides, and ships close by.....

PH961

05-26-2009, 03:59 AM

What nation would demilitarize when the worlds premier military power has troops on two sides, and ships close by.....
True. Iran will not follow Saddam's path who demilitarized Iraq before the invasion. If the enemy is going to attack at least make the enemy pay.

Octavariable

05-26-2009, 04:00 AM

PH961

05-26-2009, 04:01 AM

yeah, because Japan has no military what so ever.
And Japan is not sitting on "civilized West's" oil.

Vettec

05-26-2009, 05:07 AM

What if Iran stops being world terrorist supporter number one, stopped using IRGC to help create new terror groups, stopped supporting anti-US groups like Hezbollah and Hamas, cut the ties to dirty dictatorships like Syria and Sudan and focused more of its economy so Iranians can benefit more than the Arabs.

What if Israel stopped being the only apartheid racist nation in the world, and stopped occupying land illegally despite UN resolutions, and stopped killing women and children, and stopped starting new wars in the middle east every few years (Iran has never started a war in the past 50 years).

By the way Hezbollah and Hamas are anti Israel groups.

Cstafford

05-26-2009, 05:09 AM

Who has the popcorn, ****s about to heat up in this bitch.

Lasse

05-26-2009, 05:33 AM

I like to add some fuel (stereotyped):

What if the US government acted like the Iranian Government?
Developing nuclear power\weapons? Done that afaik.

Government is run by theocratic lunatics whom threaten to wipe Nation X off the map.
George W. Bush? Iraq, Afghanistan?

Government funds terrorist organizations to kill civilians in Nation X and elsewhere.
CIA support to countries in South America, Middle East. Bin Laden and Saddam just backfired. I guess some civilians died during those take overs.

Homo******ity and adultery are punishable by death.
Ok, nothing here, except in Texas:hug:

PH961

05-26-2009, 05:34 AM

So how many countries has Iran invaded in the last, let's say, 300 years?

Toolhead

05-26-2009, 05:38 AM

So how many countries has Iran invaded in the last, let's say, 300 years?

stupid troll.

PH961

05-26-2009, 05:42 AM

stupid troll.
What was so stupid about that question?

digrar

05-26-2009, 05:48 AM

So how many countries has Iran invaded in the last, let's say, 300 years?

I suggest you do some research on that, they've been reasonably active in their area.

gustav

05-26-2009, 05:48 AM

Homo******ity and adultery are punishable by death.
Ok, nothing here, except in Texas:hug:

Homo******ity and adultery are punishable by death in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan too. And Egypt has a very repressive legislation regarding these issues.

The difference with Iran is that they are in the Freedom camp.

Mikhael

05-26-2009, 05:58 AM

WHAT IF those retarded leftie hippies who made this stupid ass video would learn about FACTS and stop being biased?

Ohh and the peace symbol on Iran was a nice touch :roll:

PH961

05-26-2009, 05:58 AM

I suggest you do some research on that, they've been reasonably active in their area.
Really? As far as I know Iran has not invaded any country or started any war in a few centuries.

Mikhael

05-26-2009, 06:02 AM

Really? As far as I know Iran has not invaded any country or started any war in a few centuries.

From present history:
Iran supports with money and equipment Hezbollah and Hamas

Its valid as an act of war

Snoshi

05-26-2009, 06:02 AM

Really? As far as I know Iran has not invaded any country or started any war in a few centuries.

Because it was always surrounded by stronger enemies.. Getting stuck between UK and Soviet Union during WW2 was not fun and after the 1979 Iran was severely weakened.. Instead look at what Iran is doing the the ME right now.

PeterRJG

05-26-2009, 06:04 AM

Really? As far as I know Iran has not invaded any country or started any war in a few centuries.

They operate by proxy, and have done since the mad Mullah's came to power in 1979.

PH961

05-26-2009, 06:28 AM

From present history:
Iran supports with money and equipment Hezbollah and Hamas

Its valid as an act of war
Since when has been a political support been an act of war? The west does this all the time and I don't see our media describing it as an act of war.

Snoshi

05-26-2009, 06:42 AM

Since when has been a political support been an act of war? The west does this all the time and I don't see our media describing it as an act of war.

Political? So thats what you call ATGM's and ballstic missiles.. :roll:

PH961

05-26-2009, 06:42 AM

Political? So thats what you call ATGM's and ballstic missiles.. :roll:

Arms trade :)

Snoshi

05-26-2009, 06:44 AM

Arms trade :)

It would have been called like that if Iran would supply arms to the Lebanese Armed Forces.. Instead they supplied them to the group that is illegal according to UNSC 1701.

PH961

05-26-2009, 06:47 AM

It would have been called like that if Iran would supply arms to the Lebanese Armed Forces.. Instead they supplied them to the group that is illegal according to UNSC 1701.
Nobody pretends that the UN actually means anything these days. It's a law of jungle out there. The West did not actually help the matters when it walked over UN in recognizing Kosovo.

Gentius

05-26-2009, 06:53 AM

Nobody pretends that the UN actually means anything these days. It's a law of jungle out there. The West did not actually help the matters when it walked over UN in recognizing Kosovo.

Plz dont bring Kosovo on this matter, its already a done deal. Thank you.

PH961

05-26-2009, 06:58 AM

Plz dont bring Kosovo on this matter, its already a done deal. Thank you.
Kosovo is not the only example. The Iraq war is another.

I don't like it when the West demands others to respect the UN when itself could not care less.

Gentius

05-26-2009, 07:02 AM

Kosovo is not the only example. The Iraq war is another.

I don't like it when the West demands others to respect the UN when itself could not care less.

Sometime that law needs to be adjust for the sake of the ground reality.

PH961

05-26-2009, 07:04 AM

Sometime that law needs to be adjust for the sake of the ground reality.
Maybe Iranians think likewise?

PeterRJG

05-26-2009, 07:44 AM

Maybe Iranians think likewise?

At the very least, the guys wearing the funny hats over there do.

kitatatsumi

05-26-2009, 09:05 AM

What if Iran took half the energy is spends denouncing the US and directed that same energy to effecting change within their own.........ah forget it.

Power_serj

05-26-2009, 10:51 AM

So how many countries has Iran invaded in the last, let's say, 300 years?

Let's see...Maybe not invasion but Iran has set their forces in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Argentina...at the very least.

brainplay

05-26-2009, 11:24 AM

What if the US did that ? What if the US:

Stopped being the World Police: European nations would be spending 40% of their GDP on the military since the threat of war would still be valid. Additionally, unless the UN was dissolved they would all be required to put forth a larger number of troops since the US would no longer be making up the majority of peacekeepers in major operations across the globe.

stopped using CIA to overthrow governments, stopped supporting anti-Iranian terrorist groups such as Jondollah, The Jundollah thing is laughable since the original source of the ABC story has been discredited over and over again for making up facts. However, there has been the past South American debacles that we can point to in which the US was looking out for its own interests. If the CIA stopped all of this? Then we'd have to work overtime in diplomacy to make up what we would lose. Not necessarily a bad thing just much more difficult.

cut its ties with dirty dictatorships like Saudi Arabia A possibility with Iraq now that they are getting back on their feet and we'll be doing business with them more and more often. The Saudi's stand to already loose some of their power brokering status if Iraq fully develops with US aid and business. However, until that is done if we were to cut ties with the Saudi's we would stand to lose energy and allied assistance in the area if our interests came into jeopardy.

focused more on its own economy so Americans can benefit more than the Saudi family?! How so? Americans wouldn't stand to benefit from the economy anymore if that were to happen than they are now unless you are talking social welfare projects. Could be re-directed into free or subsidized education which sort of ties into the economy. Healthcare is out of the question since our total military and foreign aid budget is still just a fraction of what the US spends on healthcare each year.

The US tried "isolationism" once before and it didn't work out too well. Doing so again would put many at risk that rely on the superpower status that the US currently holds. The US diplomacy and bargaining power would also be diminished as we would hold much less influence in the world.

kvk1

05-26-2009, 11:25 AM

WHAT IF???

What if the moon was made of cheese?

http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/855/855738/will-ferrell-20080228034343217.jpg

It's a simple question doctor:

If the moon was made of BBQ spare ribs, would you eat it??!

Panzermensch

05-26-2009, 11:30 AM

http://www.youtube.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn8iGa8Dn1o)

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4578/coolstory.jpg

Martial

05-26-2009, 11:36 AM

http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/855/855738/will-ferrell-20080228034343217.jpg

It's a simple question doctor:

If the moon was made of BBQ spare ribs, would you eat it??!

I know I would. Then i'd wash it down with a tall, cool Budweiser.

Jobu

05-26-2009, 11:48 AM

When is the next 'Death to America' parade?

I lost my schedule.

SBL

05-26-2009, 11:53 AM

http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/855/855738/will-ferrell-20080228034343217.jpg

It's a simple question doctor:

If the moon was made of BBQ spare ribs, would you eat it??!
......rofl

Hollis

05-26-2009, 11:55 AM

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4578/coolstory.jpg

The next Video will probably be how Hezbullah, the Party of God, is really decent people forced by the evil US, CIA and Israel to defend their homeland against the "real" terrorists.

little icebear

05-26-2009, 11:56 AM

A possibility with Iraq now that they are getting back on their feet and we'll be doing business with them more and more often. The Saudi's stand to already loose some of their power brokering status if Iraq fully develops with US aid and business.

Damn! Did you just figure out, why Iraq was REALLY invaded or did you understand it all along?

And nah... I don´t think that ties with Saudi Arabia will be cut. The US´s position will be stronger, though.

Estopped

05-26-2009, 11:58 AM

If Iran acted like the US, the US would act like Iran.

seraosha

05-26-2009, 12:17 PM

If Iran acted like the US, the US would act like Iran.

With almost limitless sources of information at your fingertips, a mere click away...and you come up with this gem?

:slap:

Estopped

05-26-2009, 01:02 PM

With almost limitless sources of information at your fingertips, a mere click away...and you come up with this gem?

I can't see anything wrong with what i've said.

If Iran went and overthrew the US government and imposed a dictator who sold off all Texas' oil on the cheap while imprisoning and torturing thousands of people I think there'd be an armed revolt. In fact I think it would be worse than the Iranian revolution. The religious base in the US is just as big and powerful. All it takes is a power vacuum and the wrong people to get into power.

I'm not saying its practical. But there are remarkable similarities between Iran and the US. Bush and Ahmedinejad were extremely similar.

Frutzel

05-26-2009, 01:45 PM

I can't see anything wrong with what i've said.

If Iran went and overthrew the US government and imposed a dictator who sold off all Texas' oil on the cheap while imprisoning and torturing thousands of people I think there'd be an armed revolt. In fact I think it would be worse than the Iranian revolution. The religious base in the US is just as big and powerful. All it takes is a power vacuum and the wrong people to get into power.

I'm not saying its practical. But there are remarkable similarities between Iran and the US. Bush and Ahmedinejad were extremely similar.

You about to get pwned for this :| 3,2,1....bring it on

I see your point,although it's exaggerated.

little icebear

05-26-2009, 02:06 PM

Ahmedinejad should thank Bush on his knees... without the more threatening and aggressive rethorics, comming from the White House under Bush´s terms in office, he and the crazy Mullahs would have had a lot less support.

I do recall coverage about the apeal of more liberal, pro-western movements, especially amongst young, educated Iranians.
The prospect of a threat from the outside is the best thing you can wish for, in order to shut these goddamn liberals up.
Just like in the West, as you may notice. p-)