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He219
06-29-2004, 12:36 PM
Somebody, please tear me away from this computer!
;)


It's hard not to share these pic's:


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An M-1A1 Abrams tank crew settles in for the evening during a patrol recently. Company B, 1st Tank Battalion, 1st Marine Division attached to 2nd Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment to provide security on a supply route. The 70-ton tank stands a vigil on the side of the road to guard against any terrorist activity on the road.

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There was a new presence on the roads near Mahmudiyah recently. Company B, 1st Tank Battalion, 1st Marine Division attached to 2nd Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment to help protect the roads and bridges to keep supply lines open. Here an M-1A1 Abrams tank crew posts security on the supply route
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Lance Cpl. Timothy E. Foshay, a rifleman with Company G, 2nd Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, provides security for his vehicle during a patrol recently. He wasn't alone this time, though. Close by was a 70-ton, M-1A1 Abrams tank. Company B, 1st Tank Battalion, 1st Marine Division attached to the task force recently to help provide security to the nearby supply route. The tanks are a welcome sight to the Marines who appreciate the psychological and tactical impact the tanks have on enemy forces



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PORT KLANG, MALAYSIA: Malaysian special forces abseils onto a vessel from a police helicopter during an anti-piracy demonstration in the Straits of Malacca sea at Port Klang 29 June 2004.
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Malaysian special forces climb onto a vessel during an anti-piracy demonstration in the Straits of Malacca sea at Port Klang 29 June 2004. There is no proof that pirates in the Malacca Strait have teamed up with terrorists, maritime security experts attending an international conference here said.

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CEBU, PHILIPPINES: Soldiers take position before a battery of cannons as they prepare to deliver a 21 gun salute 29 June 2004 during a rehearsals of the inauguration of President Gloria Arroyo in the central Philippine city of Cebu on 30 June. Arroyo, 57, will take her oath as the 15th president of the Philippines after defeating popular movie actor Fernando Poe in the May 10 elections.


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RIP
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BONN, Germany: German Interior Minister Otto Schily holds a speech 29 June 2004, in Bonn, during a memorial service for two elite German GSG-9 diplomatic protection officers killed in Iraq last April. The two elite policemen, Tobias Retterath and Thomas Hafenecker were in a convoy that had left Amman for Baghdad to replace two of their colleagues



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TBILISI, GEORGIA: Georgian soldiers get instruction during a military exercise at the Krtsanisi training ground outside Tbilisi, 29 June 2004. About 100 Georgian soldiers pass combat training under British military instructors' supervision. Georgia has participated in the Atlantic alliance's Partnership for Peace Programme since April 1994 and regularly joins in NATO manoeuvres
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Givi Iukuridze, Head of General Staff gets the direction to Georgian soldiers during a military exercise at the Krtsanisi training ground outside Tbilisi, 29 June 2004. About 100 Georgian soldiers pass combat training under British military instructors' supervision.


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Hehe, nice 'teargas gun' ... lol

ISTANBUL, TURKEY: A Turkish riot police holdas a loaded teargas gun minutes before an anti-NATO demonstration in Istanbul 29 June 2004. Turkish riot police broke up a protest against the NATO summit, using pepper gas and truncheons against the demonstrators and detaining at least 10 of them. Some 400 protestors, from minor left-wing groups, gathered 29 June 2004 in a square on the European side of the Bosphorus Strait, about 1.5 kilometres (one mile) away from the venue of the organization's summit enclosed with barriers, chanting slogans against the United States and the NATO meeting.


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BAGHDAD, IRAQ - JUNE 29: New American Ambassador to Iraq, John Negroponte tours the unfinished new American Embassy building in Iraq for the first time while taking a tour of the still unfinished building inside the green zone on June 29, 2004 in Baghdad, Iraq. Negroponte arrived in Iraq yesterday and will take over political contact between the U.S. government and the fledgling Iraqi government.


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GAZA CITY, -: Palestinian workers remove 29 June 2004 the debris from a badly damaged building in central Gaza City that was targeted yesterday with five rockets by Israeli Apache helicopter gunships. The 12-storey building houses the offices of several Palestinian and overseas media organisations. The apparent target was the third-floor office of the Al-Saada weekly, which has close links to Hamas
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GAZA CITY, GAZA STRIP - JUNE 29: Israeli bull dozers move in behind a burning blockade at the entrance to Beit Hanoun in the morning of June 29, 2004 in Gaza City, Gaza Strip. This morning the Israeli army began to move into the town of Beit Hanoun with armoured bulldozers and tanks in the wake of Israeli missile attacks around midnight last night


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KABUL, AFGHANISTAN: In this picture taken 28 June 2004. a heavily armed Canadian soldier from the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) patrols a street in Kabul.
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KABUL, AFGHANISTAN: In this picture taken 28 June 2004. Canadian soldiers from the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) patrol in Kabul. More than 6,400 peacekeeping ISAF soldiers are deployed in Afghanistan, mainly in the capital Kabul but NATO leaders have decided 29 June 2004, to expand the force to some 10,000 troops ahead of landmark Afghan elections scheduled for September 2004. The extra NATO troops will be stationed in the north and northwest of the country. The Afghan polls have been threatened by violence, particularly in the south and southeast where a US-led coalition force is hunting Taliban, Al-Qaeda and other militants.
http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/scripts/PortWeb.dll?thumbnail=4362&catalog=combat
http://www.combatcamera.forces.gc.ca/photoarchive/LoRes/%212004/062904/KA2004-R101-549.jpg (was having problems)

Lors d’une visite a Kaboul en Afghanistan, le chef d’état major de la défense, le Général Raymond Hénault en a profité pour s’adresser aux troupes. Il a réitérer le fait que le travail que nous effectuons a Kaboul a un effet positif sur la population locale


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US. soldiers stand at the site of a roadside bomb attack on a military vehicle in Baghdad, Iraq, Tuesday, June 29, 2004. A soldier at the scene said that several military personel were killed in the blast.
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A fresh group of recruits for the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps, (ICDC), march into an ICDC training camp in Baghdad, Iraq Tuesday, June 29, 2004
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A U.S. Army soldier is greeted by a member of the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps, (ICDC), after they returned from a joint patrol in Baghdad, Iraq, Tuesday, June 29, 2004. American troops have been training the Iraqi forces to take over more responsibility in fighting insurgents in support of the new Iraqi interim government.
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A U.S. Army soldier and members of the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps, (ICDC), return from a joint patrol in Baghdad, Iraq Tuesday, June 29, 2004.
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U.S. Army troops of the 1st Cavalry division's 2nd Battalion salute as the U.S. flag is lowered to half staff during a dawn ceremony in which the Iraqi flag was raised for the first time at a base in south eastern Baghdad, June 29, 2004. The battalion shares the base with Iraq's National Guard. The United States handed over sovereignty to an interim Iraqi government on Monday, formally ending a 14-month occupation two days earlier than expected to try to forestall guerrilla attacks
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Members of an association of Iraqi tribal leaders celebrate Iraqi sovereignty at a national gathering in Baghdad, Iraq, Tuesday, June 29, 2004 one day following the end of the formal end of U.S. occupation


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Kris Riese, of Atlanta, Ga., a flight engineer and co-pilot of Fifi, the B-29 Superfortress bomber, talks about the plane's restoration inside the cockpit after helping to land it at The FlightStar Corporation in Savoy, Ill., Monday, June 28, 2004. The B-29, the same type of plane that dropped the atomic bomb, will be on display from today until Thursday. Riese, and other members of the non-profit group, The Commemorative Air Force, are touring the nation with the B-29 and another WWII aircraft at various airports. The group operates the country's largest collection of WWII vintage aircraft.


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NELLIS AIR FORCE BASE, Nev. -- An F/A-22 Raptor flown by Maj. David Thole breaks away after completing a training mission June 23 with an F-16 Fighting Falcon flown by Maj. Alex Grynkewich. Major Thole is assigned to the 422nd Test and Evaluation Squadron, and Major Grynkewich is from the 53rd Test and Evaluation Group

Lt_Crooks
06-29-2004, 12:41 PM
love the hi-res f-22 and f-16, great pics

tuckerhat
06-29-2004, 12:42 PM
hi-res == the shiz

Macs.
06-29-2004, 01:24 PM
http://accuweather.ap.org/apdbs/Intl_Photos/views/mini/7347/7347692.jpg

That guy must be from that Gurkah security company.

Moledet
06-29-2004, 02:12 PM
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Damn, that's a fat eagle.

Herrmannek
06-29-2004, 02:36 PM
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Damn, that's a fat eagle.

There was a Joke but with Polish one but is quite versilite...
Germans were praising that they can produce helmets for all people in the world..It's nothing said Chinese we can make so many rice to feed whole planet...This nothing Said [put here name of citizen of your country ] our [put here name of your local animal emblem] can eat all that rice and **** to all that helmets....

Ratamacue
06-29-2004, 02:37 PM
Great photos He.

http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/web/web_040623-F-6911G-002.jpg

What an absolutely badass aircraft.

afrographX
06-29-2004, 02:58 PM
hmmm I can never see photos from sites like usmc.mil sof.mil or navy.mil.
Does someone have an idea what the reason may be?

Moledet
06-29-2004, 03:04 PM
hmmm I can never see photos from sites like usmc.mil sof.mil or navy.mil.
Does someone have an idea what the reason may be?
Where are you from?

He219
06-29-2004, 04:17 PM
http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=635237
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U.S. President Bush speaks at Galatasaray University Tuesday, June 29, 2004, in Istanbul, Turkey. Bush standing at the historic Bosporus waterway that has long linked Europe and Asia, defended his push for Middle East democracy Tuesday against Arab critics who say the United States seeks to impose its views on the region

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U.S. Army tank soldiers with the 91st Combat Engineers return to Camp Victory, near Baghdad, Iraq, following a mission Tuesday, June 29, 2004. Increased Army patrols continued one day after Monday's transfer of Iraqi sovereignty.

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Ali Hassoun holds picture of his son at his house in the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli, Tuesday June 29, 2004. Ali is the father of Wassef Ali Hassoun, a Lebanese-American U.S. Marine threatened with beheading by his captors in Iraq. The Arab satellite Al-Jazeera broadcast a videotape on Sunday of a Marine named Wassef whom the U.S. military said had been missing from his unit for nearly a week.

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Suez Canal (June 27, 2004) - Marines assigned to the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) view the Mubarak-Peace Bridge, while transiting the Suez Canal aboard the amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge (LHD 3). Kearsarge is surge deployed to transport elements of the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) to the Central Command Area of Responsibility (AOR) in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF) and the global war on terrorism.

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Aviation Electronics Technician 3rd Class William Lawrence, of Tifton, Ga., cleans an M240-D machine gun aboard amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge (LHD 3).

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Ancon Marine Base, Peru (June 25, 2004) – Several U.S. Marines conduct fast rope training during the amphibious phase of UNITAS 45-04.

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Pearl Harbor, Hawaii (June 28, 2004) - The Royal Australian Navy Adelaide-class frigate HMAS Newcastle (FFG 06) and the Anzac-class HMAS Parramatta (FFH 154) are moored pier side at Naval Station Pearl Harbor as they await the beginning of the Joint maritime Operations exercise Rim of the Pacific 2004 (RIMJOP).

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Chief Aviation Warfare Systems Operator Rusty Kane, from Orlando, Fla., safety checks a .50-caliber machine gun mounted in the door frame of an SH-60F Seahawk assigned to the "Nightdippers" of Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron Five (HS-5) before flight operations aboard USS George Washington (CVN 73).

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BAGHDAD, IRAQ - JUNE 29: An Iraqi Civil Defense Corps member mans a machine gun at a vehicle checkpoint June 29, 2004 in Baghdad, Iraq. Security in the capital is tight ahead of tomorrow's legal handover by U.S. Forces of ex-Iraqi president Saddam Hussein to Iraqi authorities

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Shadow
06-29-2004, 04:52 PM
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Ahh love is such a beautyfull thing! woot

Hullebullen
06-29-2004, 05:13 PM
Sweet pics, He! woot

b.scheller
06-29-2004, 05:16 PM
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when window cleaning goes horribly wrong...

AVZ
06-29-2004, 05:29 PM
BERLIN, GERMANY: German President Johannes Rau (C.) takes part with German Deputy Defence Minister Walter Kolbow (R.) and Chief of Staff Wolfgang Schneiderhahn in a traditional military farewell at the Bellevue Palace in Berlin 29 June 2004, as his term comes to an end. Former managing director of the International Monetary Fund Horst Koehler will be sworn in as Germany's new president 01 July 2004.

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German President Johannes Rau (3rd from R.) takes part with German Deputy Defence Minister Walter Kolbow (2nd fromR.) and Chief of Staff Wolfgang Schneiderhahn in a traditional military farewell at the Bellevue Palace in Berlin 29 June 2004, as his term comes to an end. Former managing director of the International Monetary Fund Horst Koehler will be sworn in as Germany's new president 01 July 2004. AFP PHOTO MICHAEL KAPPELER/DDP GERMANY OUT (Photo credit should read MICHAEL KAPPELER/AFP/***** Images

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German President Johannes Rau (3rd from R.) takes part with German Deputy Defence Minister Walter Kolbow (2nd fromR.) and Chief of Staff Wolfgang Schneiderhahn in a traditional military farewell at the Bellevue Palace in Berlin 29 June 2004, as his term comes to an end. Former managing director of the International Monetary Fund Horst Koehler will be sworn in as Germany's new president 01 July 2004. AFP PHOTO MICHAEL KAPPELER/DDP GERMANY OUT (Photo credit should read MICHAEL KAPPELER/AFP/***** Images)

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[AFSOC]
06-29-2004, 05:32 PM
GP

tacticalmanta
06-29-2004, 05:35 PM
http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_040625-N-1357M-031.jpg


Ancon Marine Base, Peru (June 25, 2004) – Several U.S. Marines conduct fast rope training during the amphibious phase of UNITAS 45-04.


FYI
The insignia on the wall is the beret badge of the Peruvian naval commandos.

DE_Six
06-29-2004, 05:45 PM
hmmm I can never see photos from sites like usmc.mil sof.mil or navy.mil.
Does someone have an idea what the reason may be?

I have no idea, but I have the same problem. Never changed ISP, one day, they just stopped working. I'm in eastern Canada. :(

ZeroPositive
06-29-2004, 06:03 PM
awesome photos we WUB U H219 :D

talib_killa34
06-29-2004, 06:49 PM
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Damn fine German soldiers there! Very sharp. :D

Got that Kevlar all nice nice and shiny now, looks very Wehrmacht-ish.

;)

cut
06-29-2004, 07:11 PM
They should bring back the spikes for those types of occasions, they were cool

Midav
06-29-2004, 07:16 PM
Nice pics! Got myself a new background for my screen woot

Would like to know how the training missions for the F/A-22 went....?

seruriermarshal
06-29-2004, 07:31 PM
Great pic

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Seems like ICDC have some M113 .

:roll:

tacticalmanta
06-29-2004, 07:32 PM
Olly Olly Oxen Free

Hav218
06-29-2004, 07:36 PM
http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_040628-N-6551H-018.jpg

Just me or is that a shark inbetween the ships?

Midav
06-29-2004, 07:38 PM
Just me or is that a shark inbetween the ships?

It's you ;)

Looks like the ship on the left is pumping water.

Moledet
06-29-2004, 07:41 PM
Great pic

http://accuweather.ap.org/apdbs/Intl_Photos/views/mini/7347/7347710.jpg

Seems like ICDC have some M113 .

:roll:
and they are convertable.

cut
06-29-2004, 07:41 PM
Just me or is that a shark inbetween the ships?

It's you ;)

Looks like the ship on the left is pumping water.

that or a shark traveling backwards.. which can't be good coz they have to keep moving forward to "breathe".

American Patriot
06-29-2004, 07:49 PM
Obviously that's a large dolphin.

Falco
06-29-2004, 08:46 PM
hmmm I can never see photos from sites like usmc.mil sof.mil or navy.mil.
Does someone have an idea what the reason may be?

I've got the same problem, I'm from montreal.

Lt_Crooks
06-29-2004, 10:54 PM
its the secret the americans have been trying to keep... they hate canadians,plus we all know there are hoards of terrorist running freely about in canada ;) would someone put a link to that website were you can go to a website were the site cant trace your proxy or some s^it

mattnwnc03
06-29-2004, 11:32 PM
man thats a helluva bridge those marines were passing under , anybody got any info on that big boy?

elguapo
06-30-2004, 12:15 AM
http://cache.*****images.com/comp/51008147.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=538EA340DCCBB2AD0A18B0F0BBEBCEADA9C30E9B9B114CE8


Caption:
PORT-AU-PRINCE, HAITI: Brazilian army soldiers acting as U.N. peacekeepers, patrol a street 28 June, 2004 in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. Brazilian troops are leading the United Nations Mission for Stabilization in Haiti. AFP PHOTO/ Thony BELIZAIRE. (Photo credit should read THONY BELIZAIRE/AFP/***** Images)

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/51008242.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=538EA340DCCBB2AD5A822BE2104C009CA9C30E9B9B114CE8


Caption:
PORT-AU-PRINCE, HAITI: A Brazilian army soldier, part of a UN peacekeeping force, patrols in front of the presidential palace 29 June, 2004 in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. Brazilian troops are leading the United Nations Mission for Stabilization in Haiti. AFP PHOTO/ Thony BELIZAIRE. AFP PHOTO Thony BELIZAIRE. (Photo credit should read THONY BELIZAIRE/AFP/***** Images)

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/51008260.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=538EA340DCCBB2AD75D2301139BDDAC7A9C30E9B9B114CE8


Caption:
PORT-AU-PRINCE, HAITI: Brazilian army soldiers acting as U.N. peacekeepers, patrol a street in front of the presidential palace 29 June, 2004 in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. Brazilian troops are leading the United Nations Mission for Stabilization in Haiti. AFP PHOTO/ Thony BELIZAIRE. (Photo credit should read THONY BELIZAIRE/AFP/***** Images)

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/51008279.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=538EA340DCCBB2AD6B299E7752CC1BA6A9C30E9B9B114CE8



Caption:
PORT-AU-PRINCE, HAITI: Brazilian army soldiers acting as U.N. peacekeepers, patrol a street in ride in an armored vehicle 29 June, 2004 in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. Brazilian troops are leading the United Nations Mission for Stabilization in Haiti. AFP PHOTO/ Thony BELIZAIRE. (Photo credit should read THONY BELIZAIRE/AFP/***** Images)

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/51008281.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=538EA340DCCBB2ADD7E4BB75535E44F6A9C30E9B9B114CE8




Caption:
PORT-AU-PRINCE, HAITI: Brazilian army soldiers acting as U.N. peacekeepers, patrol a street in an armored vehicle 29 June, 2004 in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. Brazilian troops are leading the United Nations Mission for Stabilization in Haiti. AFP PHOTO/ Thony BELIZAIRE. (Photo credit should read THONY BELIZAIRE/AFP/***** Images)

b.scheller
06-30-2004, 12:18 AM
yeah those wehrmacht look-a-like helmets scare me...but, i guess its better then these ugly things...

http://www.tridentmilitary.com/New-Photos8/egphoto1.jpg

UoUo
06-30-2004, 12:22 AM
http://cache.*****images.com/comp/51008982.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=538EA340DCCBB2ADA99D21E8F2FAC244A9C30E9B9B114CE8


:| That pic look very nazi to me....hm...i am the only one that this pic Bother him? :|

b.scheller
06-30-2004, 12:27 AM
actually now that i look at it more, it does certainly have that nazi'ish tinge to it. the uniform, the torches... :|

SR15
06-30-2004, 12:31 AM
all they need is svasticas,,, rofl

talib_killa34
06-30-2004, 12:32 AM
Well, it would bother me if they legalized the swaztika and wore it as an armband again...those soldiers look like SS if they do...but I trust Germany is well beyond going back to THAT again.
:|

b.scheller
06-30-2004, 12:35 AM
you'd think after 60 years, they would design a different kind of uniform...its quite pathetic

ZeroPositive
06-30-2004, 01:01 AM
No way the uniform rocks, looks totally neat and does what a uniform is meant to do.

They aren't SS or whatever so give it a rest.

Chrome Beretta
06-30-2004, 01:13 AM
Lol, they do kinda look like SS. At this army navy store i went to, they had some German WWII helmets.


Thanks for teh pics.

ZeroPositive
06-30-2004, 01:16 AM
God SS would be an All Black UNiform with White webbing/gloves/belt with the Lighting bolt Runes on the collars...
Also you probably would see a crap load of them...

b.scheller
06-30-2004, 01:20 AM
zero man, relax. I understand the fact that the uniforms worn by the German soldiers in the picture are not of the SS, BUT they are very similar in nature to that of the World War II German Armed Forces and the East German Army.

ZeroPositive
06-30-2004, 01:26 AM
the uniform goes back to the first world war and has some pre world war one uniform characteristics...

Yeah just irratated that people would start saying OMG THEY MUST BE SS due to the old style of unifom......

UoUo
06-30-2004, 01:31 AM
These Uniform reminds me and i think milliom more so much ****ing bad things....

:roll: the germans couldn't find another type of uniform? :roll:

b.scheller
06-30-2004, 01:35 AM
I mean sure the uniform has some historical value, but that doesn't mean it has to remain the same. Alot of countries that have had alot of history behind their uniform have changed theirs, and people are still able to identify with it.

UoUo
06-30-2004, 01:43 AM
Hmmm...the germans should reject thier history..and not identify with Thier History...and i think every german will agree with me.

PeoplesPoster
06-30-2004, 01:47 AM
Hmmm...the germans should reject thier history..and not identify with Thier History...and i think every german will agree with me.

Thats a rediculous thing to say. Every culture needs to identify and understand their history not reject it. I hate revisionist history.

Saint
06-30-2004, 01:52 AM
I think those Germans look mighty sexy!
Very professional!

UoUo
06-30-2004, 01:54 AM
Hmmm...the germans should reject thier history..and not identify with Thier History...and i think every german will agree with me.

Thats a rediculous thing to say. Every culture needs to identify and understand their history not reject it. I hate revisionist history.

:roll:

So the germans should identify with thier history in WW2? :roll:

DE_Six
06-30-2004, 02:18 AM
Hmmm...the germans should reject thier history..and not identify with Thier History...and i think every german will agree with me.

Thats a rediculous thing to say. Every culture needs to identify and understand their history not reject it. I hate revisionist history.

:roll:

So the germans should identify with thier history in WW2? :roll:

Of course. Identify with doesn't mean trying to recreate it. A nation cannot simply deny the less honorable events of its history and yet progress. Germany wouldn't be what it is today had it not acknowledged its past and the burden of its responsibilities. Had Germany decided to deny its past, there would be no recognition of the Holocaust. Can you picture that for a moment? The whole german people living in denial of the holocaust? I don't see how this could be positive in any way. The recognition is a direct consequence of acknowledgement, and without identification, there is no acknowlegment. I think Germany is a better country today because it went through this difficult process. I also believe other nations ought to do the same, as Kitsune pointed out in another thread, but that's another thing. You can't erase the past, might as well draw lessons from it and have the balls to admit what we've done was wrong and shoulder the responsability.
"He who forgets history is doomed to relive it", or something like that. p-)

UoUo
06-30-2004, 02:25 AM
Og god...

Can someone please give me the meaning of the word "identification" According to the dictionary...


I hope i wrong.

UoUo
06-30-2004, 02:27 AM
Hmmm...the germans should reject thier history..and not identify with Thier History...and i think every german will agree with me.

Thats a rediculous thing to say. Every culture needs to identify and understand their history not reject it. I hate revisionist history.

:roll:

So the germans should identify with thier history in WW2? :roll:

Of course. Identify with doesn't mean trying to recreate it. A nation cannot simply deny the less honorable events of its history and yet progress. Germany wouldn't be what it is today had it not acknowledged its past and the burden of its responsibilities. Had Germany decided to deny its past, there would be no recognition of the Holocaust. Can you picture that for a moment? The whole german people living in denial of the holocaust? I don't see how this could be positive in any way. The recognition is a direct consequence of acknowledgement, and without identification, there is no acknowlegment. I think Germany is a better country today because it went through this difficult process. I also believe other nations ought to do the same, as Kitsune pointed out in another thread, but that's another thing. You can't erase the past, might as well draw lessons from it and have the balls to admit what we've done was wrong and shoulder the responsability.
"He who forgets history is doomed to relive it", or something like that. p-)

BTW : the sentence "A nation which has forgotten its past can have no future" apply to the german nation.

ZeroPositive
06-30-2004, 02:32 AM
UoUo give it a rest....
U ask us not to give u crap about your nation just give it a rest ffs
If they were SS uniforms then I can understand where you are coming from but they are not end of story...

UoUo
06-30-2004, 02:36 AM
UoUo give it a rest....
U ask us not to give u crap about your nation just give it a rest ffs
If they were SS uniforms then I can understand where you are coming from but they are not end of story...

Yeah...compare our past with the german past... :roll:

Every nation have a bad past...remmber the bad past..but no identify with Him. :bash:

DE_Six
06-30-2004, 02:37 AM
BTW : the sentence "A nation which has forgotten its past can have no future" apply to the german nation.

Care to elaborate? How exactly has Germany forgotten its past? And how are they not having a future?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/1629856.stm

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/08/16/berlin.holocaust.ap/

I think you confuse "identify" with "idolize". You can't bear responsability if you can't identify with the perpetrators. You can't say " We are collectively sorry" for something if you can't recognize the perpetrators has your own. If you don't, it all amounts to finger-pointing, but no one takes the blame. The German people is beyond that point by now. They have recognized their deeds and they bear the stigma. More than most nations can claim, AFAIC. Go to Japan see if they feel sorry for what they did, go see if they have memorial to the Chinese they exterminated, to the Korean women they forced into ****** slavery. You won't find it. But you will find a shrine to honor the Japanese soldiers, war criminals included. I can't think of a single country that faced its responsibilities to the extent Germany has.

UoUo
06-30-2004, 02:39 AM
BTW : the sentence "A nation which has forgotten its past can have no future" apply to the german nation.

Care to elaborate? How exactly has Germany forgotten its past? And how are they not having a future?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/1629856.stm

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/08/16/berlin.holocaust.ap/

Who said you forgot your past? i just say the germans shouldn't need to Identification with thier past....

UoUo
06-30-2004, 02:43 AM
FFS "identification" and "remember" are not the same word!

ZeroPositive
06-30-2004, 02:44 AM
u Jews should be so grateful you have so many memorials etc The Chinese suffered so much as not a religion but a race.... by the japanese and they never got Zip from them....

They Japanese rewrote most of there text books stating they were not the aggressors etc....

But the Japs have a war shrine and it even has the ashes of convicted war criminals...

DE_Six
06-30-2004, 02:51 AM
FFS "identification" and "remember" are not the same word!

Did you read my post? If you can't recognize what you did, you can't remember it. You remember a slandered version of history. And you can't recognize your faults if you refuse to identify yourself to your past. If you don't, you're just shifting the blame.

If all this is about their uniform, come on. The PASGT helmet design is the most effective shape for head protection. Heck, even Israeli soldiers use it.
And camouflage is a battlefield necessity. Let's get over the fact Waffen SS also used some.
And their uniform on this pic is of their service color. It's not black, heck it's not even feldgrau. It's frickin' blue. Should they dress in pink? They're soldiers, jeez.

ZeroPositive
06-30-2004, 02:53 AM
This is going to be one of those.... I am not wrong sort of posts....
As mentioned before it isn't a SS uniform... get over it.

UoUo
06-30-2004, 02:57 AM
u Jews should be so grateful you have so many memorials etc The Chinese suffered so much as not a religion but a race.... by the japanese and they never got Zip from them....

They Japanese rewrote most of there text books stating they were not the aggressors etc....

But the Japs have a war shrine and it even has the ashes of convicted war criminals...

YeY woot woot we have memorials! :hug: :hug: :roll:



FFS "identification" and "remember" are not the same word!

Did you read my post? If you can't recognize what you did, you can't remember it. You remember a slandered version of history. And you can't recognize your faults if you refuse to identify yourself to your past. If you don't, you're just shifting the blame.

If all this is about their uniform, come on. The PASGT helmet design is the most effective shape for head protection. Heck, even Israeli soldiers use it.
And camouflage is a battlefield necessity. Let's get over the fact Waffen SS also used some.

Forget about that....we semm to have a language barrier.

You faild to understand to understnad what i mean by saying "don't Identification with your past! remember it!"

But it could be just me.
(and it's not sarcasm).

DE_Six
06-30-2004, 03:04 AM
Yeah, I get it. No hard feelings.

I'm just saying we shouldn't try to see too much into this. I think Germany has done enough in term of remembrance, we could cut them some slack sixty years after. It took 50 years for the FRG to authorize foreign deployment of its troops as peacekeepers, out of fear the idea of German soldiers abroad might offend some. They have fully reintegrated the world community by now, I think we can entrust them with the design of their uniform.

UoUo
06-30-2004, 03:10 AM
Germanny did good job in remember her past.

We allerdy forgive. :hug:

Ghostwolf
06-30-2004, 04:08 AM
Germanny did good job in remember her past.

We allerdy forgive. :hug:

Yes that is definitely true, except for the Japanese government though.

cropduster
06-30-2004, 04:31 AM
I think DE6 uses "identify" as a synonym for accepting as part of history, not to deny what happenend and to learn for the future. We all agree about that and shouldnt bother about using misleading words as we all now what is meant.

Croppy

FB
06-30-2004, 04:42 AM
I mean sure the uniform has some historical value, but that doesn't mean it has to remain the same. Alot of countries that have had alot of history behind their uniform have changed theirs, and people are still able to identify with it.

Yes, a lot of nations did what you say.

Now it would be interesting to find out who did not, or who are still wearing symbols on their uniforms that could carry, in the eyes of someone, some extremely negative feelings.

Does the U.S. Army bear symbols on its uniforms that are the same that they wore during the battles, for instance, against the American Natives? Maybe something similar can be said for the Canadians, or for the Japanese, the Russians and so on. Where is the limit?

Best regards

UoUo
06-30-2004, 04:55 AM
There are *big* diffrend between let's say candain history..and the german history.

deutschersoldat
06-30-2004, 05:19 AM
this german uniforms are over 100 years old, so there is nor reason for this discussion ;)

caleb
06-30-2004, 06:15 AM
thanks deutscher, for bringing this ridiculous discussion to an end. The "SS look" comes with the uniform-style of those old times, also the ritual of the military farewell has nothing to do with Nazi ideology.

Also some very good points by DE6, I enjoyed reading your posts.

FB
06-30-2004, 06:25 AM
There are *big* diffrend between let's say candain history..and the german history.

That was not my point.

My point was: where is the limit beyond which the uniform and or symbols must be changed. And, above all, who decides where the limit is.

Best regards

UoUo
06-30-2004, 06:35 AM
There are *big* diffrend between let's say candain history..and the german history.

That was not my point.

My point was: where is the limit beyond which the uniform and or symbols must be changed. And, above all, who decides where the limit is.

Best regards

Agree...

Just wnated to be sure..the germans themelf forbid the swiztka...no?

caleb
06-30-2004, 06:59 AM
There are *big* diffrend between let's say candain history..and the german history.

That was not my point.

My point was: where is the limit beyond which the uniform and or symbols must be changed. And, above all, who decides where the limit is.

Best regards

Agree...

Just wnated to be sure..the germans themelf forbid the swiztka...no?

Yes, all Nazi Symbolism is highly forbidden in Germany by constutional law.

Herrmannek
06-30-2004, 07:12 AM
From what I heard sellers must even take out or scrach of all swastikas from plastic models of planes and cars before selling them :cantbeli:

caleb
06-30-2004, 07:22 AM
Yeah, but people can't complain we wouldn't do enough against Nazi ideology.

AVZ
06-30-2004, 08:24 AM
Nice thread :D

As others said: Germany has learned more about their history than other countries have done about their history!!


Every Nazi sign or song or whatever is forbidden by law and will be punished.

So our freedom is in this part very limited but that is very good!!!!! In other countries like the US or I think also Denmark you can do and show any signs or flags you want!!


Besides: Never heard anything bad about Germany from people having been in Germany!!

You will make big eyes if you see some people not singing the national anthem for examle. Most of the foreign people I spoke to always wondered about the germans to be so unpatriotic. That's exactly the situation here in Germany.
For example: In the event of hanging out our national flag on our national holiday alot of german people will look askance at you and these persons will judge you Nazis just because you are showing your national flag!!!
Help if I'm wrong but isn't THAT crazy????? And that is very common here. The others will tell you.


besides: I loved to read this thread

pretorian669
06-30-2004, 08:44 AM
These Uniform reminds me and i think milliom more so much f*** bad things....

:roll: the germans couldn't find another type of uniform? :roll:

Chill!!! :petting: It has nothing to do with Nazi ideology.And it comes from Me son of a holochaust survivor.
For example the Flecktar Pattern used today is based on the 1944 Dot Pattern camo used by the Waffen SS:
http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/HK53POSE.jpghttp://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/Camo8.jpg


http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/G36WOODS.jpghttp://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/44dotinf1b.jpg

The BGS( Bundesgrenzschutz )or "Tan and Water" camo patern from WWII Wermacht is still in use by the german border guards and even on the helmets of the GSG9 :
http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/tw_smock_ft.jpghttp://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/tw_smock_bk.jpg

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/bild13.jpghttp://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/BILD2.jpg

McLane
06-30-2004, 08:58 AM
It's the best camo for our landscape! The flecktarn is also used by other countries and, if i remeber right, the firm, which produced the first flecktarn-uniform (beinnging 90s) were hosted in ex-yugoslavia.

Why change the well-workin' camo? It looks a little bit like dot-camo from the Wehrmacht or SS - but is that so bad? As one said before:

We learn much about our history, special the bad things of our history, it's not like in other countries where always the good times were teached. In the USA, BG , France and many other mighty-countries you often find not a bad word about their history.

I like our national-flagg, because it's from the 1848-revolution, like the tricolore from 1789 by france. But her ein germany there are only two reasons to show a flagg on a federal-building: national-holiday or someone offical (policemen, politicians) were killed. And if you want to buy a flagg, you have to go to an Fanshop for soccer-stuff or go to an weapon/arms-shop (and we have only a few here ;)).

UoUo
06-30-2004, 09:03 AM
These Uniform reminds me and i think milliom more so much f*** bad things....

:roll: the germans couldn't find another type of uniform? :roll:

Chill!!! :petting: It has nothing to do with Nazi ideology.And it comes from Me son of a holochaust survivor.


Who said it come from Nazi ideology.

FFS people...read before you bash someone... :(

pretorian669
06-30-2004, 09:10 AM
These Uniform reminds me and i think milliom more so much f*** bad things....

:roll: the germans couldn't find another type of uniform? :roll:

Chill!!! :petting: It has nothing to do with Nazi ideology.And it comes from Me son of a holochaust survivor.


Who said it come from Nazi ideology.

FFS people...read before you bash someone... :(
Sorry Sir :oops: Maybe I missunderstood you. So what did you mean by
"These Uniform reminds me and i think milliom more so much f*** bad things....:roll: the germans couldn't find another type of uniform? :roll:

UoUo
06-30-2004, 09:12 AM
These Uniform reminds me and i think milliom more so much f*** bad things....

:roll: the germans couldn't find another type of uniform? :roll:

Chill!!! :petting: It has nothing to do with Nazi ideology.And it comes from Me son of a holochaust survivor.


Who said it come from Nazi ideology.

FFS people...read before you bash someone... :(
Sorry Sir :oops: Maybe I missunderstood you. So what did you mean by
"These Uniform reminds me and i think milliom more so much f*** bad things....:roll: the germans couldn't find another type of uniform? :roll:

I can exsplain you in PM....what i mean..it's 2 hard to write this in english :oops:

FB
06-30-2004, 09:13 AM
These Uniform reminds me and i think milliom more so much f*** bad things....

:roll: the germans couldn't find another type of uniform? :roll:

Chill!!! :petting: It has nothing to do with Nazi ideology.And it comes from Me son of a holochaust survivor.


Who said it come from Nazi ideology.

FFS people...read before you bash someone... :(

So where are those bad things coming from, if not from Nazi ideology? I don't understand, would you care to explain? I'm really interested.

Best regards

UoUo
06-30-2004, 09:14 AM
i exsplain him in hebrew..i hope he can exsplain you better in english.

FB
06-30-2004, 09:15 AM
i exsplain him in hebrew..i hope he can exsplain you better in english.

Ok, thank you.

Best regards

pretorian669
06-30-2004, 09:37 AM
The IDF is using US Kevlar helmets that remind the shape of the WWII
German helmets. Some people were unhappy in the IDF.I love the US helmets. Covers U better and much more comfortable than the Israeli ones.

pretorian669
06-30-2004, 09:44 AM
i exsplain him in hebrew..i hope he can exsplain you better in english.
What UoUo meant was that those uniforms raise very negative connotations .He did not say they wear it on purpose to look like Nazis

I hope I translated it well enough.

AVZ
06-30-2004, 10:28 AM
He is right in saying "they don't wear it on purpose to look like a Nazi"









Who says anything different should live some time in Germany to get to know people and culture. After that I'm willing to listen to anybodys comments about generating alll germans to Nazis or whatever.
just some thoughts. don't wanna offend ya :hug:

pretorian669
06-30-2004, 11:42 AM
BTW A question to the german friends on this board.Does the GSG9 use the BGS camo other than helmet covers?
Like full uniforms for the snipers or operations in non urban areas? If so are there any pictures?Even if not of GSG9 but pictures of german border guards wearing that type of camo?
Thanks...


http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/bild13.jpghttp://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/BILD2.jpg

Macs.
06-30-2004, 12:06 PM
The GSG-9 doesn't use those camo helm covers anymore, they use blue/black covers. Snipers use "chilly suites" (don't know if this is the right word)

http://www.military.cz/special_forces/gsg9/membergsg9.jpg


And I have never seen border guards using this camos, normally they just wear something greenish.

McLane
06-30-2004, 12:12 PM
Snipers uses the Ghilie-Suit

The Pics that you posted (the older ones with the old camo) ar not longer active - Somtimes they uses this one (from the german SWAT-Policemen):

http://www3.mdr.de/dokumentationen/bilder/sek.jpg


But mostley the black/blue-camo you see in the post from Macs



-----

But it's true, the Border-guards sometimes uses this old camo - but not in the last years, i think. It must be older, but they weared this camo, that's for sure.

pretorian669
06-30-2004, 12:19 PM
Thanks Alot!!!!!!!!!
So what type of camo does the Bundesgrenzschutz use today?Flecktarn?

HALo
06-30-2004, 12:35 PM
They have police uniforms

http://bgs.livinglogic.de/upload/1265056495_110.jpg
http://www.arbeiterfotografie.com/galerie/reportage/2002-05-23-berlin-bush/2002-05-23-2-9791.jpg
http://www.arbeiterfotografie.com/galerie/reportage/2002-05-23-berlin-bush/2002-05-23-1-7288.jpg

Some links:
1 (http://www.bundesgrenzschutz.de/Ausstattung/BeklUndAusruest/Dienstbekl/index.php)
2 (http://www.bundesgrenzschutz.de/Ausstattung/BeklUndAusruest/Einsatzbekl/index.php)

Far
06-30-2004, 12:38 PM
http://cache.*****images.com/comp/51008463.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DE9A21091711E5AD1E8B15F0F2EBA200E37757C85AE85A779B
Ahh love is such a beautyfull thing! woot

Heimlich?

pretorian669
06-30-2004, 12:56 PM
They have police uniforms

http://bgs.livinglogic.de/upload/1265056495_110.jpg
http://www.arbeiterfotografie.com/galerie/reportage/2002-05-23-berlin-bush/2002-05-23-2-9791.jpg
http://www.arbeiterfotografie.com/galerie/reportage/2002-05-23-berlin-bush/2002-05-23-1-7288.jpg

Some links:
1 (http://www.bundesgrenzschutz.de/Ausstattung/BeklUndAusruest/Dienstbekl/index.php)
2 (http://www.bundesgrenzschutz.de/Ausstattung/BeklUndAusruest/Einsatzbekl/index.php)
Thanks.I'm looking for pictures of german border guards wearing the BGS camo patern...

HALo
06-30-2004, 01:10 PM
I think they don't have one because they are police forces. The GSG9 might have one but usually they operate without camo .. it's a police unit

http://www.survival.h1.ru/image/camo/page_01.htm
Here are two (German BGS 1 + 2) I've never seen before except on the old GSG9 helmets

talib_killa34
06-30-2004, 02:33 PM
Ach!!!!

All this discussion over the picture I mentioned!

They look sharp, nuff said!

The uniforms have alot of proud martial tradition and the Germans have accounted fully for the past. I agree about the difference between them and Japan.

Germans do not need to be reminded about WWI and WWII, they remember!

Now, I only see a strong NATO ally and partner that has been there with the US and UK for the past 60 years!


Rest assured. ;)

HALo
06-30-2004, 02:48 PM
btw: i think, the descriptions of the pics from the so called 'Grosser Zapfenstreich' are wrong :D
Federal President Johannes Rau is in the middle, the man on the right is Deputy Defence Minister Walter Kolbow (he isn't Deputy Defence Minister, isn't he? He's a State Secretary of the Ministry of Defense) and Chief of Staff Wolfgang Schneiderhahn is of course the man wearing uniform on left ;)

caleb
06-30-2004, 02:49 PM
Ach!!!!

All this discussion over the picture I mentioned!

They look sharp, nuff said!

The uniforms have alot of proud martial tradition and the Germans have accounted fully for the past. I agree about the difference between them and Japan.

Germans do not need to be reminded about WWI and WWII, they remember!

Now, I only see a strong NATO ally and partner that has been there with the US and UK for the past 60 years!


Rest assured. ;)

Agreed. Nuff said! :hug:

Phoenix
06-30-2004, 04:51 PM
http://cache.*****images.com/comp/51008982.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=538EA340DCCBB2ADA99D21E8F2FAC244A9C30E9B9B114CE8

This is a Luftwaffen Uniform and has nothing to do with army or SS ..... :cantbeli: :cantbeli:

Great pic !!!! ^^

We learned from our history the Israelis should also do that .
You cannot solve all your problems with tanks and terrorism...

platform389
06-30-2004, 05:59 PM
We learned from our history the Israelis should also do that .
You cannot solve all your problems with tanks and terrorism...

Errr...I think they did.

Having folks herd you into industrial killing facilities for extermination...
http://www.104infdiv.org/BODIES2.JPG

Then moving to a place where people proclaim their total commitment to your complete destruction...


'Though PLO Chief Yasir Arafat had agreed to the annulment of the PLO's destruction- of-Israel clause during the Palestinian self-rule talks with Israel, the Israeli 'Hatikvah' news service has monitored dozens of 'jihad' (holy war) speeches by Arafat over the last year calling explicitly for 'the capture of Jerusalem and territory held by 'infidels'.' Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein quickly sided with the PLO calling on them to work for the 'return of all the occupied land in Palestine.' -- Twentieth Century W'The decision to favor Jordan as the controller of Jerusalem's Islamic holy sites has angered the PLO, which has issued belligerent statements declaring that it WILL NOT annul the section of its charter calling for the DESTRUCTION of the state of Israel until the Jewish state has completely withdrawn from 'Arab territories' and begun negotiations to cede Jerusalem to the PLO as its capital.

...would make me hug my tank and use it often as well.

If anyone has earned the right to be left alone, it is the Jews in Israel. Yet they continue to dogged to death by "nice" folks like the Germans and the Arabs...

Wonder why? :cantbeli:

AVZ
06-30-2004, 05:59 PM
Halo you're right.

It's ***** images p-) :cantbeli:

but at least the pictures were up to date. just a few hours old!!!!!

Shadow
07-04-2004, 01:00 PM
Why don't they use pink pyjamas? :cantbeli: