Judge Sotomayor a member of La Raza (The race)

[Ikimasu]

Apparently, Sotomayor has what some would call racist opinions. Its come to light that she is also a member of La Raza. Where is the media? Should someone involved with a superiority/racial pride group be a supreme court justice?

Division for Public Education: National Hispanic Heritage Month -- Sonia Sotomayor (http://www.abanet.org/publiced/hispanic_s.html)

In addition to her work on the bench, Judge Sotomayor is an adjunct professor at New York University School of Law and a lecturer-in-law at Columbia Law School. She is a member of the American Bar Association, the New York Women’s Bar Association, the Puerto Rican Bar Association, the Hispanic National Bar Association, the Association of Judges of Hispanic Heritage, and the National Council of La Raza. She has received many honors including, most recently, an award from the National Association of Women Lawyers.
I also wanted to point out how the media is treating this. Turn on any news station and you're sure to see the media dismissing these charges and instead attacking the GOP. Some liberals even showing their true sides and celebrating Soto's racism as progress!

The Boston Herald: "Yeah its racist, but its payback time".

Men in throes of Supreme panic - BostonHerald.com (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1175229&format)

Note to those arguing that if a white man said about caucasians what Sotomayor did about Latina women judging better, he’d be finished: That’s true. But it’s a ridiculous analogy. White men - unlike women and minorities - have never endured government-sanctioned racism. Not yet, anyway.Like I said, Liberals see racism against whites as pay back. Its actually progress to them.

Watch out if you're white. This is the new post racial era.

[Hollis]

BS, A very close friend is one of the founders of La Raza, sorry. Mucho mierda de toro. To bad ignorance of the language and history prevails among some groups. The name is La Raza Unida or in English, The People United. The offical name is "Partido de la Raza Unida".

for some extra help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Raza_Unida_Party


The idiot who wrote this, probably thinks if he/she hears, "Ya Basta!" They probably think it is a insult.

[Ikimasu]

BS, A very close friend is one of the founders of La Raza, sorry. Mucho mierda de toro. To bad ignorance of the language and history prevails among some groups. The name is La Raza Unida or in English, The People United. The offical name is "Partido de la Raza Unida".

for some extra help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Raza_Unida_Party


The idiot who wrote this, probably thinks if he/she hears, "Ya Basta!" They probably think it is a insult.

La Raza translates Exactly to "The race" and its a group based on racial pride.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Raza

La Raza (literally "The Race") is sometimes used to denote people of Chicano (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicano) (i.e. Mexican American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_American)) and Mexican (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_people) descent and the Hispanic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic) world, as well by mestizos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mestizo) who share Native American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas) or national Hispanic heritage.

Hispanic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic) people all around the U.S. have also started using this term to identify themselves. Nonetheless, the term and idea associated with it have been mainly adopted by some Mexican people in the United States to express pride in their nation. In general usage, La Raza implies dignity and pride for these people regarding who they are and their places of origin.
So, you would have no problem if Sam Alito was part of a white pride group called "The race" ??


How can we have a supreme court justice who focuses so solely on race?

[Hollis]

I guess now it is your wiki link VS the one I posted.

su hable espanol? Probably the answer is no.

Do you know anyone in La Raza? probably the answer is no.

How do you know about La Raza? I can guess.


I can probably safely say, I have know about La Raza before you where born. Let me say, TexMex BBQ are very good.

As I mention a very close family friend is one of the founders.

[Jobu]

How can we have a supreme court justice who focuses so solely on race?

We have a president who won because of his race, it's not a surprise to see that he nominated a racist nominee for the Supreme Court.

Racial politics worked for him. Now it'll work for her.

[Ikimasu]

I guess now it is your wiki link VS the one I posted.

su hable espanol? Probably the answer is no.

Do you know anyone in La Raza? probably the answer is no.

How do you know about La Raza? I can guess.


I can probably safely say, I have know about La Raza before you where born. Let me say, TexMex BBQ are very good.

As I mention a very close family friend is one of the founders.

I grew up near East L.A. and regularly saw gangs with La Raza shirts on. I remember in high school, there was a gang of Hispanic kids that would go around calling all the white kids crackers and brag about taking back their land. Later in life I saw the illegal alien marches and La Raza was right there with the signs declaring "Brown pride" and "brown power".

So, perhaps there is some non-racial wing of the group, but everything I've ever seen was quite the opposite. Did I mention I'm half Latino?

Also, what about their alliance with groups like MEChA?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEChA

M.E.Ch.A. (Spanish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language): Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán, "Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztl%C3%A1n)") is a student organization that seeks to promote Chicano (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicano) unity and empowerment through education and political action. The acronym (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym) of the organization's name is the Spanish word mecha, which means "fuse". The motto of MEChA is La Unión Hace La Fuerza ("Unity Creates Strength"), according to the MEChA National Constitution.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEChA#cite_note-autogenerated1-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEChA#cite_note-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEChA#cite_note-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEChA#cite_note-3)

[Hollis]

I beginning to feel like one of our past Bush Bashing members, you guys are listening too much to Rush.

She was also a Bush nominee.

Race was probably a part of Obama's victory, probably the biggest part was how McCain managed his campaign and the last 8 years of the media doom and gloom approach on the GWOT.

If your going to call her a racist, document it. Other wise it comes across, that is what your are doing.

[Hollis]

I grew up near East L.A. and regularly saw gangs with La Raza shirts on. I remember in high school, there was a gang of Hispanic kids that would go around calling all the white kids crackers and brag about taking back their land. Later in life I saw the illegal alien marches and La Raza was right there with the signs declaring "Brown pride" and "brown power".

So, perhaps there is some non-racial wing of the group, but everything I've ever seen was quite the opposite. Did I mention I'm half Latino?


I had friends who lived in E LA...it is a mess, same with Watts (I had friends there too).

The 60's and 70's were a good reason for those group, LaMecha, LaRaza, BPs etc. The gangs are just a bunch on pendejos.

[Ikimasu]

I didn't call her a racist. I said her ties and opinions disqualify her from holding the position of Supreme Court Justice.

If a white man or woman was a part of similar organizations or had said similar things, he/she would be banished from government. We all know it.

EDIT: Dont listen to Rush Limbaugh. You got any more generalizations to make about me?

[Curtis E. Bear]

qq more Iki. I just find it a little strange that members of the executive can dictate and manipulate who becomes a member of the judicary. Guess you guys aren't familiar with the Speration of Powers Doctrane? Just a general obersvation.


"La Raza implies dignity and pride for these people regarding who they are and their places of origin."God forbid people have dignity and pride for themselves. Iki, look at what is it in terms of what IT does, not what people outside of the organisation associated it with. (RE - gangs etc which you mentioned)

[Jobu]

If your going to call her a racist, document it.


"a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

Is that not racist enough for you?

[TheSteve]

Did I mention I'm half Latino?

Right. And that changes what your saying how?


We have a president who won because of his race, it's not a surprise to see that he nominated a racist nominee for the Supreme Court.

Racial politics worked for him. Now it'll work for her.
Yeah Obama won because he was black. Not because of his vocal opposition to his predecessors policies, but defiantly because he was black.

[Ikimasu]

God forbid people have dignity and pride for themselves. Iki, look at what is it in terms of what IT does, not what people outside of the organisation associated it with. (RE - gangs etc which you mentioned)

So they have changed the wording that describes their organization to be more politically correct. The fact is their movement started because they thought the mixing of Europeans and Native Americans into the super race mestizo, the "cosmic race" that would show the rest of the world the way to enlightenment.

Again, would you support the same group if it were a white man and group dedicated to white pride? White pride seems to be a bad word these days.

[Hollis]

I didn't call her a racist. I said her ties and opinions disqualify her from holding the position of Supreme Court Justice.

If a white man or woman was a part of similar organizations or had said similar things, he/she would be banished from government. We all know it.

EDIT: Dont listen to Rush Limbaugh. You got any more generalizations to make about me?


Why don't you read what I wrote................... Your reading skills also are poor.

Quote was:

" I beginning to feel like one of our past Bush Bashing members, you guys are listening too much to Rush"

That was a common expression the Bush bashers would say. Or instead of Rush, it was Fox news.

[Ikimasu]

Why don't you read what I wrote................... Your reading skills also are poor.
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I'm a journalist major with a 3.5 GPA. Keep lobbing insults and generalizations though. :roll:

[Geezah]

Her position on the 2nd is enough for me to nix her............

[Ikimasu]

Her position on the 2nd is enough for me to nix her............

Yeah, its not like its just being a part of La Raza. Its her comments, decisions and opinions that all come together to make me nervous.

[Soldat_Américain]

He's thinking by saying he's half Hispanic that it adds validity to his statements. Oh and by the way I've never used the term La Raza in any context of showing pride in my race...I may be the whitest thing on this Planet but as my grandfather(god rest his soul) would say, go down to Mexico city and you will see Mexicans with Red Hair and green eyes.


I'm a journalism major with a 3.5 GPA. :roll:

Sorry sir, but what does your GPA and your selected course of study have to do with this subject...?

[Hollis]

Found those quotes and read them.

She is not a racist, jeepers.

[Winger]

I'm a journalist major with a 3.5 GPA. Keep lobbing insults and generalizations though. :roll:

Go easy on him Hollis. He has a mentally crippling disease all too prevailent amongst aspiring journos.

[Hollis]

I'm a journalist major with a 3.5 GPA. Keep lobbing insults and generalizations though. :roll:


Then demonstrate it on how you post. So far you have not. I should expect better?

BTW, I don't get into pissing matches if that is your intent, I hope that is clear enough for you.

[Hollis]

Her position on the 2nd is enough for me to nix her............


I don't know if this helps, I picked this up on a more conservative forum and it seems to make sense to me.


Given the circumstances this is the best possible outcome a conservative could realistically expect. While she is liberal she doesn't appear to Ruth Bader Ginsburg rabid ACLU liberal. She seems much closer to the middle than any nominee a "centrist" like Bill Clinton rolled out. Of course that could all change once she is on the bench for life. The man she is replacing was supposed to be a moderate conservative and he turned out to be a flaming liberal, so who knows. Hopefully Obama has just had his George Herbert Walker Bush moment.


The Bench has changed people once they got on.

[ggk]

I'm a journalist major with a 3.5 GPA. Keep lobbing insults and generalizations though. :roll:

3.5 GPA........I m expecting a wall of words from smart people like you. Try learn from ordie or gleipnir on how to present your point.

from your post it doesnt look like 3.5, plus a smart man shouldnt react emotionally when other people disgree with him.

[Geezah]

I don't know if this helps, I picked this up on a more conservative forum and it seems to make sense to me.




The Bench has changed people once they got on.


Do we know if the Lib she is replacing had weighed in on the 2nd prior to being nominated to the SC?

This is what we know so far about her, so I doubt she will change her stance once nominated.


Sotomayor, however, sat on a panel that issued an opinion in a controversial case that could impact gun-owners’ rights, Maloney v. Cuomo. Sotomayor and other members of the court ruled that the Second Amendment does not apply to the states, only to the federal government. The plaintiff in the case argued that a state law barring him from owning nunchucks, a martial arts weapon, violated his constitutional right to bear arms.

Sotomayor’s court also ruled that the Supreme Court’s decision District of Columbia v. Heller, which invalidated the District’s law against handgun possession, did not go so far as to apply the Second Amendment to state law.


Link (http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/to-rights-dismay-nra-stays-out-of-sotomayor-fight-2009-05-28.html)

[Hollis]

Do we know if the Lib she is replacing had weighed in on the 2nd prior to being nominated to the SC?

This is what we know so far about her, so I doubt she will change her stance once nominated.



Link (http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/to-rights-dismay-nra-stays-out-of-sotomayor-fight-2009-05-28.html)


Like you, I would hope she would be more favorable or become more favorable to the 2nd Amendment.

I guess we will see, if she makes it to the bench.


Sotomayor’s court also ruled that the Supreme Court’s decision District of Columbia v. Heller, which invalidated the District’s law against handgun possession, did not go so far as to apply the Second Amendment to state law.I can agree to that statement, even the court said it did not address all the issues. I guess for us, it will be which way she goes.

[Hollis]

From GOPUSA

The Price We Pay for not Supporting Miguel Estrada (http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/?p=1537)
http://www.gopusamedia.com/pictures/loft_bobby2.jpg
With Obama's nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor to the U.S. Supreme Court, Obama has found the perfect combination. He has found a nominee who will be every bit as liberal and activist as he could hope for, and also, he has found someone in which to score tremendous political points.

In a previous column, I have already touched on Sotomayor's judicial background. However, it is this very background that is being ignored by the main stream media. Instead, we hear stories of "rising up" from poverty and "reaching out" to the community, and, of course, we hear stories of her Hispanic heritage and what an asset that is. All of this fits perfectly into Obama's plan of reaching out to Hispanics. The fastest growing voting bloc in the entire country is being presented with "their" nominee. What's so sad from a political point of view is that all of this could have been accomplished with OUR nominee... Miguel Estrada.


http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/?p=1537

I think President Bush was much pro-active with minorities than his democratic counterparts and that was another reason, they went heavily after Bush... he shamed them.

[California Joe]

We have a president who won because of his race, it's not a surprise to see that he nominated a racist nominee for the Supreme Court.

Racial politics worked for him. Now it'll work for her.

Are you really that stupid?

That's a rhetorical question.

[California Joe]

I'm a journalist major with a 3.5 GPA. Keep lobbing insults and generalizations though. :roll:

Prove it with valid posts and quit quoting f*cking wikipedia.

And if you find Hollis insulting you're in for a real treat if you don't tighten up.

[Ikimasu]

Prove it with valid posts and quit quoting f*cking wikipedia.
.

Sounds good. I wont use Wiki anymore.

http://www.spanishdict.com/translation

----------- Machine Translation ----------------
The Race
----------- Original Text ----------------
La Raza

[2Sheds_Jackson]

You know they nominated me for the SC a while back, but my membership in TBP lost me the seat. I handed them the brochure to review, and that's all it took:

"Total Bastard Pricks is a private, nonprofit, nonpartisan, tax-exempt organization headquartered in Washington, that serves all white male subgroups in all regions of the country. We're the largest national white male civil rights and advocacy organization in the United States – working to improve opportunities for white male Americans."

..heh heh just substitute "Hispanic" for "white male" and that's a carbon copy of La Raza's "about us" web page.

[Hollis]

Maybe it is a age thing, But I remember the civil rights period pretty well.

Also got to meet and know some major players in it. We do not live in the same conditions that we did in the 50's and 60's. Things, in some way, are much better. Life as minority member of our society then was under the majority. Though the constitution protects all people, it just did not happen or work as it was suppose to.

Example the Civil Rights act of 1964, BTW, I had a chance to meet Joe Smitherman who was major of Selma then. It was interesting listening to his view some 20 years later. I was with my wife's uncle who was on the civil right commission for the city of Atlanta and who was raised in Selma. His family was gentle South. He is also very interesting man in his own rights.

There is a big difference then in minorities VS, White supremest groups of today. The whites in general did not need a organization to promote their issues, because they effectively control the government. That is why we saw minority groups rise into being to promote issues that pertained to them to those in power.

With in white society, we also had class issues, in that situation the unempowered where the lower class whites, who was in a similar situation as the minorities. The term is, not being "Politically efficacious"

Both poor white and minorities where not politically efficacious, the desire of the groups was some empowerment. Or having their voice heard.

La Raza was founded in Crystal City, Texas in mid 60's. To understand why, it would be good to review the times back then. Blacks and Chicanos where kept in a politically umpowered position, where they could not be heard or express their views. Other words they where dominated by the those empowered.

It is wrong to shackel all the blame on one group of people, which some minorities have done against all whites. When we look at the change in this country, it started out as white male land holders who controlled the government. The freedoms that we hold and charish today came about from free exercise of power to do the right thing. Meaning, those in power, the white male land holders, voted to extent the political power of this country to other people. They were effectively by deluteing their own power and giving it to those who where disenfranchised.

White men, gave people of color the right to vote.

Men gave women the right to vote.

Or more specifically extended to rights to them.

While race, ***, and social class continues to be a issue, it needs not be. People can act as they have done in the past and do the right thing regardless of their race, ***, social class, etc.

[Ordie]

I'm a journalist major with a 3.5 GPA. Keep lobbing insults and generalizations though. :roll:

Figures.

Journalism went down the drain ever since they made it into academic subject.

Its a jack of all trades...a master of none degree.

My career advice:

Wikipedia is garbage in and garbage out.
Always seek your primary sources.
Get a secondary degree if you want to be a journalist with credibilty. (political science, international relations, history, economics)
Join the armed forces for lifelong experiences and exposure. The best journalist in America were veterans.
As a Argentine - Mexican - American (born in East LA)

"La Raza" is a general term for "the people".

Besides there is no one dominant race among Latin Americans.

[Kaplanr]

I didn't call her a racist. I said her ties and opinions disqualify her from holding the position of Supreme Court Justice.

If a white man or woman was a part of similar organizations or had said similar things, he/she would be banished from government. We all know it.

EDIT: Dont listen to Rush Limbaugh. You got any more generalizations to make about me?

Like what, the Knights of Columbus, B'nei-Brith or the NAACP? Not every inference to a "white" folks group means it's the KKK or Aryan Nations, and not every non-white ethnic identity group is the FALN. If you've got an argument against her as a jurist then state it, like Geezah did. At least it's a valid point even if I don't agree with him.

She may not be a Brandeis, but she's certainly no Thomas.

[Kaplanr]

Figures.

Journalism went down the drain ever since they made it into academic subject.

Its a jack of all trades...a master of none degree.

My career advice:

Wikipedia is garbage in and garbage out.
Always seek your primary sources.
Get a secondary degree if you want to be a journalist with credibilty. (political science, international relations, history, economics)
Join the armed forces for lifelong experiences and exposure. The best journalist in America were veterans.
As a Argentine - Mexican - American (born in East LA)

"La Raza" is a general term for "the people".

Besides there is no one dominant race among Latin Americans.

And don't count on a long-lasting career with the newspapers!

[Holmes85]

There are two things that bother me. One is that someone would use an individual's race, such as in Sotomayor's case to deny her appointment to the Supreme Court.

The second thing that bugs me is that someone would actually cite Wikipedia as source in their argument. I know several of my professors who would have a heart attack and then give me a an "F" if I did the same thing on a paper. As a University graduate student studying history, there has been one thing ingrained into my mind and that is if you want to be taken seriously, you should not use Wikipedia as a cited source in their argument.

Wikipedia + Source = 0 (No One Will Take It Seriousely)

Though if your arguing against Sotomayor's appointment, because of her race, I guess that is another way not to be taken seriously.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Wiki isn't all that bad...it's just totally useless for anything having to do with politics (for obvious reasons). Why just yesterday I used it to verify some stuff about C4FM and CQPSK modulation. Now that could have been the source of that small fire in the radio shelter last night but I doubt it.

My only real beef with her appointment is that due to her association with La Raza, I don't think she can claim to be unbiased/neutral or objective about something as contentious as race. Would we consider appointing a judge who was associated with Planned Parenthood or Operation Rescue? It kinda seems like a deal breaker to me.

[Kaplanr]

Are we starting to hold these nominees to an unrealistic set of standards or expectations. Ultimately whether it's the President or a justice of the Supreme Court, they are a reflection of the bulk of the population - warts and all. Extrapolating from 2Sheds argument then a nominee who's a church member (or synagogue or mosque) should also be outside consideration in the event a 1st Amendment case reaches the bench.

Given this expectation that a Justice of the court won't have a politically tainted beckground, Brandeis or Hand might never have made it there.

[gaijinsamurai]

We have a president who won because of his race, it's not a surprise to see that he nominated a racist nominee for the Supreme Court.

Racial politics worked for him. Now it'll work for her.

Hahahaa!!! This is the type of idiotic post I've come to expect from you.

Like the dumb-ass parolees and probationers I used to supervise, it provides a sick sort of amusement, but after a while, get's tiresome.

That's why I rarely venture into the Political Discussions and Rants section anymore.

[Climber]

Figures.

Journalism went down the drain ever since they made it into academic subject.

Its a jack of all trades...a master of none degree.

My career advice:

Wikipedia is garbage in and garbage out.
Always seek your primary sources.
Get a secondary degree if you want to be a journalist with credibilty. (political science, international relations, history, economics)
Join the armed forces for lifelong experiences and exposure. The best journalist in America were veterans.

As a Argentine - Mexican - American (born in East LA)

"La Raza" is a general term for "the people".

Besides there is no one dominant race among Latin Americans.


So you are an argentine too? :)

[Hollis]

My only real beef with her appointment is that due to her association with La Raza, I don't think she can claim to be unbiased/neutral or objective about something as contentious as race. Would we consider appointing a judge who was associated with Planned Parenthood or Operation Rescue? It kinda seems like a deal breaker to me.


Again the Partido La Raza Unida, the party of the united people, not race.

She is a Chicana, My wife was a member of Mujeres de (state I live in), it is not race base. I was on the Board of directors of a Los Clinica Salud de la Familia, it served all people in that community, we had Whites, Latinos and Russian (old believers) along with anyone else.

This is a mission statement from La Raza,

"La Raza Unida is determined to renew our most basic values: Caring for all life, responsibility to community, and strength to act for community well being."

Her membership in La Raza is all a part of her resume:


Sonia Sotomayor

UNITED STATES CIRCUIT JUDGE

United States Court of Appeals For The Second Circuit 10/13/98 to present

UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE

Southern District of New York 10/2/92 to 10/12/98

PAVIA & HARCOURT

600 Madison Avenue
New York, New York 10022
Partner 1/1/88 to 9/30/92
Associate 4/84 to 12/87

International commercial litigation, including the drafting of pleadings, all phases pre-trial discovery, motion practice, trials, and appellate briefs and arguments. Extensive experience in the arbitration of commercial and commodity export trading cases.


NEW YORK COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE

New York, New York
Assistant District Attorney 9/79 to 3/84

Reponsibilities included investigation and evaluation of felony cases, grand jury presentations, pre-trial motion practice, bench and jury trials, appellate briefs and arguments.

EDUCATION:

YALE LAW SCHOOL
New Haven, Connecticut
J.D., June 1979
Editor, Yale Law Journal
Managing Editor, Yale Studies in World Public Order
Semi-finalist, Barristers Union

PRINCETON UNIVERSITY
Princeton, New Jersey
B.A., summa *** laude, June 1976
Member, Phi Beta Kappa
Co-winner, M. Taylor Pyne Honor Prize - prize awarded annually to the senior(s) who has most clearly manifested excellent scholarship and effective support of the best interests of Princeton University
Honorable mention, Senior Thesis, Latin American Studies

HONORARY DEGREES:

Brooklyn Law School
Degree of Juris Doctor Honoris Causa
June 7, 2001

Princeton University
Degree of Juris Doctor Honoris Causa
June 5, 2001

Herbert H. Lehman College
Degree of Doctor of Law Honoris Causa
June 2, 1999

PUBLICATIONS:

Statehood and the Equal Footing Doctrine: The Case For Puerto Rican Seabed Rights, 88 Yale Law Journal 825 (1979).

Sonia Sotomayor & Nicole A. Gordon, Returning Majesty to the Law and Politics: A Modern Approach, 30 Suffolk U.L. Rev. 35 (1996).

ASSOCIATIONS:

Adjunct Professor, New York University School of Law since 1998.
Lecturer-in-law, Columbia Law School since 1999.
Member, American Bar Association.
Member, Hispanic Bar Association.
Member, Puerto Rican Bar Association.
Member, Association of Judges of Hispanic Heritage.
Member, New York Women's Bar Association.
Member, American Philosophical Society.
Former Member, Second Circuit Task Force on Gender, Racial and Ethnic Fairness In the Courts.
Former Member, New York City Campaign Public Finance Board (Mayor's Appointee). 1988-1992.
Former Member, Board of Directors, State of New York Mortgage Agency (Governor's Appointee), 1987-1992.
Former Member, Board of Directors, Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund, 1980-1992.

LANGUAGES:

English and Spanish

[JJC]

Same old crap. Alberto Gonzales had to go through the same smear when he was being nominated for AG. Get over it because you will start seeing more Latinos in government in the future.

[Holmes85]

For crying out loud. We should be talking about Sotomayor's credentials not her race. Just from watching the news, I get the feeling that there's a witch hunt.

[Ordie]

So you are an argentine too? :)

Deste Mataderos y hincha de Nuevo Chicago carajo!

Actually my dad is Argentine.

First and foremost I'm American.

Given the SC appointments in the past 20 years and mass media, it should be expected that any nominee will be scrutinized.

[gaijinsamurai]

Well said, JJC and Holmes85.

The only intelligent criticism of her I've seen so far in this thread has been from Geezah, and I'd like to see more details of her anti-2nd Amendment views.

[WCF.KAS]

I wonder if the GOP will benefit from becoming viewed as the party "defending white males against racism"...

As a white male myself i deal with reverse racism on a daily basis, sometimes while at the pottery barn or brookstone I find that I may be being discriminated against.
It's hard for us white males, whether its dancing, or putting to much mayo on everything, one day we shall overcome.....

[Jobu]

That's why I rarely venture into the Political Discussions and Rants section anymore.

...and stay out!

:)

It may make people uncomfortable to read that Obama won because of his race, but deep down everyone knows it's true. There were countless articles written during the campaign about the reverse Bradley effect where white people were voting for Obama simply to make history.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Again the Partido La Raza Unida, the party of the united people, not race.

What united people? Not me, because like my government's forms say, I'm "not Hispanic or Latino" I'm not saying she's a raceist. But I didn't just make up that stuff I posted y'know...it's directly off their website - if reading their mission statement off their site leads one to conclude they're a race-based organization, well then aren't they? Is that something that the average American can (or should) identify with? I don't think so...but hey maybe we're turning a corner.



Her membership in La Raza is all a part of her resume:

Right- but every day, people don't get jobs because of stuff on their resume. There's a recession on...so there's no shortage of qualified people waiting out in the lobby - let's talk to 'em.

I'm just saying that her membership isn't with the ham-o-the-month-club... it's with a controversial organization with which she apparently shares a common ideology. That ideology is at the heart of many contemporary legal issues - and politically, it just may be why her name floated to the top of the pile of resumes, I dont' know. I'd be fine with appointing somebody who belongs to the ham-o-the-month by the way.

[skipperbob]

[QUOTE=Jobu;4162451]...and stay out!

:)

It may make people uncomfortable to read that Obama won because of his race, but deep down everyone knows it's true. There were countless articles written during the campaign about the reverse Bradley effect where white people were voting for Obama simply to make history.[/QUOT

Obama won because of the complete mess the Republicans have made of this country in the last eight years. Did the Democrats win the Senate because of the race of their candidates? Did they take over the House with a large majority because of their race? If anyone is racsist it is a party made up of old, rich white men who have lost the black, latino, female and youth vote because of their policies. You also seem to forget that Sotomayor was nominated to the Federal bench by Bush and has been confirmed before by the Senate. Your ignorance blinds you.

[Jobu]

You also seem to forget that Sotomayor was nominated to the Federal bench by Bush and has been confirmed before by the Senate. Your ignorance blinds you.


Bush also nominated Souter. It didn't turn out well.

Try again.

[Henry's Fork]

Hey Hollis, is your family friend who helped start La Raza happen to be Jose Gutierrez?

If so, i am going to have to call you on that one, because he is as bad as any Klansman with what has came out of his mouth.

edit: As for the topic, i could care less if the POTUS appointed a green and purple man from mars. As long as said green and purple martian had the experience and cred to do the job correctly. People getting caught up in race and *** are missing the point.

[WCF.KAS]

Hey Hollis, is your family friend who helped start La Raza happen to be Jose Gutierrez?

If so, i am going to have to call you on that one, because he is as bad as any Klansman with what has came out of his mouth.

edit: As for the topic, i could care less if the POTUS appointed a green and purple man from mars. As long as said green and purple martian had the experience and cred to do the job correctly. People getting caught up in race and *** are missing the point.

exactly, and judge sotomayor has some of the best qualifications (as far as experience with the federal courts) any justice has had for the last 100 years

[Henry's Fork]

exactly, and judge sotomayor has some of the best qualifications (as far as experience with the federal courts) any justice has had for the last 100 years

Thats why the entrenched right need to stfu and get over it. She is more than qualified for the job. All this partisan arguing is why most people with their heads removed, have moved on to a 3rd party to support. The Dems and Repubs are all bout staying in power, by any means.

[seraosha]

The Dems and Repubs are all bout staying in power, by any means.

Ain't that the truth.
Oh and I'm all for Sotomayor making the bench.
Another Catholic FTW!p-)

[Jobu]

Thats why the entrenched right need to stfu and get over it. She is more than qualified for the job. All this partisan arguing is why most people with their heads removed, have moved on to a 3rd party to support. The Dems and Repubs are all bout staying in power, by any means.

I think her racist comments disqualify her.

[Henry's Fork]

I think her racist comments disqualify her.

The only comment i have seen has been taken out of context and does not hit me as racist at all. Are there any that i am missing? Unlike Mr. Jose Gutierrez, one of the founders of La Raza, who comes off like a Latino Grand Imperial Wizard of the Klan. I have yet to see her cross the line. My mind is open if you can come up with other qoutes of hers that cross the line.

[gaijinsamurai]

...and stay out!

:)

It may make people uncomfortable to read that Obama won because of his race, but deep down everyone knows it's true. There were countless articles written during the campaign about the reverse Bradley effect where white people were voting for Obama simply to make history.

Sorry for what might have sounded like a personal attack, Jobu. But a day ot two ago, you made a surprisingly intelligent, well-thought out post in the torture thread (with which I, of course, disagreed, but it was impressive nonetheless), and I thought you were making progress. I guess I was a little disappointed.

As for race being a factor in the last presidential elections, it of course helped him with some voters, and hurt him with others. Even my dad, who identifies himself as White-Native American, felt that America wasn't ready for a Black president. (he lives in a rural, red-neck area, and most of his family are redneck hillbillies, which explains a lot).

As for me, I would have never given my vote to Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, or most other African American politicians I can think of, and I did have some doubts/misgivings about Obama. But, he impressed me as the best candidate for the job.

[Jobu]

Sorry for what might have sounded like a personal attack, Jobu. But a day ot two ago, you made a surprisingly intelligent, well-thought out post in the torture thread (with which I, of course, disagreed, but it was impressive nonetheless), and I thought you were making progress. I guess I was a little disappointed.

Most of my posts are only half-serious. I'm here for the entertainment and in some cases to learn about some of the military stuff I find interesting. So if I can make my points and come across as a smarmy jerk, it helps stir up the debate a bit. Not necessarily trolling but definitely not PC. There's nothing more boring than a matter-of-fact post too careful to not offend anyone's sensibilities.

[Soldat_Américain]

At least he didn't nominate someone like Harriet Miersor the equivalent of)
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=987&pictureid=13433

[Hollis]

Hey Hollis, is your family friend who helped start La Raza happen to be Jose Gutierrez?

If so, i am going to have to call you on that one, because he is as bad as any Klansman with what has came out of his mouth.

edit: As for the topic, i could care less if the POTUS appointed a green and purple man from mars. As long as said green and purple martian had the experience and cred to do the job correctly. People getting caught up in race and *** are missing the point.


LOL, I gather you never really talked to Jose. He has been misquoted all too often. You can call me all you want. But I know more about this issue than most people excluding those directly involved in the formation of La Raza. We ate a lot of TexMex and drank a lot of beer together. I still have some posters of him in my shop when he ran for Judge.

If Jose called me today, I would gladly go.

[California Joe]

Why do you hate America Hollis?

[Hollis]

Why do you hate America Hollis?


It is that damn TexMex food, too good and addicting. p-)

Then throw in a few beers and it is all done for.

[Henry's Fork]

LOL, I gather you never really talked to Jose. He has been misquoted all too often. You can call me all you want. But I know more about this issue than most people excluding those directly involved in the formation of La Raza. We ate a lot of TexMex and drank a lot of beer together. I still have some posters of him in my shop when he ran for Judge.

If Jose called me today, I would gladly go.

No. But i have heard a couple of his talks online. And i dont doubt your realtionship with him, im sure he is a great guy and means well for his folks. It still doesnt erase what the man said with his own mouth. And thats what i am going on, not some misqouted text, but the mans own words.

[Hollis]

No. But i have heard a couple of his talks online. And i dont doubt your realtionship with him, im sure he is a great guy and means well for his folks. It still doesnt erase what the man said with his own mouth. And thats what i am going on, not some misqouted text, but the mans own words.


I understand that, not sure on the situation. I heard him on some issues like everyone else I don't always agree. I have seen him on Fox news when he question one of the books on those profs to be feared that had some statements he made.

He cab be fiery and say explosive things to cause people to think. Maybe like here with short post, a lot of the meaning is lost or can get easily misconstrued. I would think if you have been to one of his BBQs, you would probably have a different view. Such is life.

[California Joe]

2Sheds tears down posters from fences around schools. He's crazy. He'll never be on the court.

[Henry's Fork]

I understand that, not sure on the situation. I heard him on some issues like everyone else I don't always agree. I have seen him on Fox news when he question one of the books on those profs to be feared that had some statements he made.

He cab be fiery and say explosive things to cause people to think. Maybe like here with short post, a lot of the meaning is lost or can get easily misconstrued. I would think if you have been to one of his BBQs, you would probably have a different view. Such is life.

To cut your asada amigo some slack, he did say these things a while ago. I know i smack my head looking at 3 and 4 year old forum posts of mine, thinking did i really say that sh1t....

People who are pro-illegal/entitlement get to me and push the right buttons. Next time you talk to him, you can tell him his explosive opinions are working and getting people talking.

[Panchito12]

Both myself and the two boys in my avatar are members of La Raza. But we're also pro-MinutEmen!!

VIVA 2 EQUIS!!!
XXwoot

[Invisigoth]

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/judge-sotomayor-and-race-results-from-the-full-data-set/



Other than Ricci, Judge Sotomayor has decided 96 race-related cases while on the court of appeals.

Of the 96 cases, Judge Sotomayor and the panel rejected the claim of discrimination roughly 78 times and agreed with the claim of discrimination 10 times; the remaining 8 involved other kinds of claims or dispositions. Of the 10 cases favoring claims of discrimination, 9 were unanimous. (Many, by the way, were procedural victories rather than judgments that discrimination had occurred.) Of those 9, in 7, the unanimous panel included at least one Republican-appointed judge. In the one divided panel opinion, the dissent’s point dealt only with the technical question of whether the criminal defendant in that case had forfeited his challenge to the jury selection in his case. So Judge Sotomayor rejected discrimination-related claims by a margin of roughly 8 to 1.



In sum, in an eleven-year career on the Second Circuit, Judge Sotomayor has participated in roughly 100 panel decisions involving questions of race and has disagreed with her colleagues in those cases (a fair measure of whether she is an outlier) a total of 4 times. Only one case (Gant) in that entire eleven years actually involved the question whether race discrimination may have occurred. (In another case (Pappas) she dissented to favor a white bigot.) She particulated in two other panels rejecting district court rulings agreeing with race-based jury-selection claims. Given that record, it seems absurd to say that Judge Sotomayor allows race to infect her decisionmaking.

[Holmes85]

I doubt the title nor some of the unfair (I'm Purposely being light here in my judgment) statements made against Sotomayor in this thread would be constructive to any fair analysis of her credentials relating to the position she has been nominated to. So may I suggest a new thread be started, which is based on the discussion and analysis of Sotomayor's credentials.

[Hollis]

I doubt the title nor some of the unfair (I'm Purposely being light here in my judgment) statements made against Sotomayor in this thread would be constructive to any fair analysis of her credentials relating to the position she has been nominated to. So may I suggest a new thread be started, which is based on the discussion and analysis of Sotomayor's credentials.

Great Idea, but most thread are started with that intention. We know how that goes .............. at times.

It seems those who would politically oppose her nomination only have this sliver of "race" to go on.

Who was the other person who was a member of the NAACP, and that connection was never questioned.


Hint, "Thurgood Marshall followed his Howard University mentor, Charles Hamilton Houston to New York and later became Chief Counsel for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)."

[Hot Lips]

"a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."


Is that not racist enough for you?

No, I don't think it was meant to be. It's a sound-byte from a much longer speech (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/politics/15judge.text.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1) truncated for convenience.

It is part of a much larger thought on race and *** discrimination arguments being put before a group that has traditionally lacked the perspective of members of society on the receiving end of such discrimination.

It didn't come across as being racist, IMO, but rather having relevant experience or perspective on such cases. Ergo creating a more well rounded panel that better represents the diversity of the people they are in place to represent.

One could argue if a judge should ever bring their own perspectives into consideration, but I would think it dishonest to deny it's human nature to do so even if you don't say it out loud.

It does tend to come across as if the folks that pick such sound-byte to rail against are really railing against allowing a nation traditionally controlled in large part by white males to continue on a path to a more balanced leadership that includes women and people of color.

If you want to paint her as a racist, it will take more than this sound-byte and simply not being made to feel ashamed of her race and heritage.

>>> Excellent Post, Hollis (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showpost.php?p=4162073&postcount=31) <<<

[Hot Lips]

So How Did Sotomayor Rule in Race-Related Cases?
May 29, 2009 7:12 PM
ABC News (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/05/so-how-did-sotomayor-rule-in-race-related-cases.html)



Tom Goldstein at his Scotusblog (http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/judge-sotomayor-and-race/) says he’s “in the midst of reviewing every single race-related case on which she [Sonia Sotomayor] sat on the Second Circuit. There are roughly 100. They cover the gamut from employment discrimination to racial bias in jury selection. I decided that I would stop and write an interim report once I got through her 50 most recent race-related cases other than Ricci because the numbers are sufficiently striking and decisive.”

Goldstein says that the three-judge panel on which Sotomayor sat accepted the claim of race discrimination in three out of 50 cases -- and in all three cases, the panel, which included a Republican appointee, was unanimous. In roughly 45, Goldstein writes, the claim of race discrimination was rejected with Sotomayor voting to reject.

“On the other hand, she twice was on panels reversing district court decisions agreeing with race-related claims -- i.e., reversing a finding of impermissible race-based decisions. Both were criminal cases involving jury selection. … It seems to me that these numbers decisively disprove the claim that she decides cases with any sort of racial bias.”

-jpt

[Climber]

Deste Mataderos y hincha de Nuevo Chicago carajo!

Actually my dad is Argentine.

First and foremost I'm American.

Given the SC appointments in the past 20 years and mass media, it should be expected that any nominee will be scrutinized.

:) Muy bueno, yo soy cuervo ( de San Lorenzo) y vivo en Belgrano.

Amd I am also israeli of course. :)

[Soldat_Américain]

:) Muy bueno, yo soy cuervo ( de San Lorenzo) y vivo en Belgrano.

Amd I am also israeli of course. :)
So you speak that Hebrew influenced dialect of Spanish?

[Climber]

So you speak that Hebrew influenced dialect of Spanish?
Do you mean ladino? No I don't.

If you mean ladino, ladino is like old castilian or Spanish. That is a sepharadim language.

I am an ashkenazim
I speak spanish as first language and I learned hebrew when I lived in Israel as a little boy.

I speak hebrew with a heavy argentine accent

[California Joe]

Gee that's great.

Are you being nominated for the Supreme Court?

No.

Take it to PMs.