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05-29-2009, 04:50 PM
Berserkers with Red Stars: North Korean Scenarios
By Gary Brecher
Just when war nerds like me are ready to lose hope, along comes a good Korean-War scare. Things were looking pretty grim, what with the Iraq invasion getting put off more times than Michael Jordan's retirement. I'd drive home from my hell-job cursing every old lady in the fast lane, hoping to pop on the TV and see the new GBUs with the Baghdad-cams... and instead there'd be nothing but more weak Pentagon promises.
Then boom! The North Koreans announce that they're restarting their nuclear-weapons program and they don't care who knows it, the US Army cancels leave for all the troops on the DMZ, and we've got something to look forward to again: a REAL war, finally.
I mean bush wars are fun, but you get sick of reading about African militias hacking up villagers and carrying around sacks of hands and feet. You want a real war, starring a couple of countries with more than a half-dozen high-school graduates between them. Some real soldiers, with weapons a little more advanced than Kalashnikovs and machetes.
And if anybody can give us that kind of war, it's Korea. The rest of the world may've turned into lapdogs scared of their own shadows, but not the Koreans. They're crazy people. They'll tell you so themselves.
I used to know some Koreans in Bakersfield, because they went to the same Pentecostal church. There were some far-gone folks in that congregation, but the Koreans were the most God-crazy people in the place. Especially the Korean girls. Most of the white girls or Latinas were pretty relaxed outside of Sunday services, but everybody knew you shouldn't even bother talking to a Korean girl unless you were "one with God," meaning your idea of a hot date was holding hands at an ice-cream place and quoting scripture at each other.
So I understand North Korea. They're just like the Koreans in Bakersfield, except they went for Communism instead of Christ. If pure craziness could win wars, Kim Jong Il's army would kick ass. The problem is, I'm not sure morale alone will do it. Not anymore. Back when you fought with axes and spears, the crazier side usually won, like the berserkers. But craziness won't keep you alive when you're up against fuel-air weapons, cluster-bombs, bunker-busters and all the other hi-tech killing toys the North would have to face if they ever do the ol' Banzai charge across the DMZ.
A war on the DMZ would be bloody-I mean for us as well as them-but the North'd lose. No question.
The real question is what would happen if they decided to play dirty. Which they would. The only thing North Korea does well is train secret agents and infiltrators. Their agents do what they're told, up to and including suicide. They all carry little poison pills they're supposed to take if captured. Lots of countries give these pills to their agents-but the North Koreans really take them.
They're smart, too-Koreans are real smart. Over the past fifty years, North Koreans have come up with lots of different schemes, some scary, some just ridiculous. They swing for the fences every time. They will go anywhere, try anything, and do any and all sorts of craziness just for a chance to kill a few South Korean politicians or American Imperialists.
The most famous North Korean attack happened in Burma (or Myanmar, as you're supposed to call it now) in 1983. The North Koreans knew that the South Korean President and most of his cabinet would be visiting Rangoon (if you're still allowed to call it that), so they sent three top agents down there to wipe the whole Southern leadership out at once-the Michael Corleone approach, for you Godfather fans. The Northern agents planted a huge bomb at a shrine the South Koreans were scheduled to visit and set it off by remote control. The President survived, but 18 other South Korean officials were blown to bits, along with a lot of Burmese......

http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=6819&IBLOCK_ID=35

Its a old article but still a good read and relevant.

Kaapeli
05-29-2009, 05:18 PM
Should there be a war NK would collapse almost as quickly as Saddams army did. I think most of them have lost their real will to fight for that ****ty regime a long time ago. Even during the Korean war when they still had the "faith" they were soundly beaten without the intervention of China.

I'd be more worried about their retaliation against South Korean population centers though.

BloodyTalon
05-29-2009, 05:43 PM
By Gary Brecher

Stopped reading at this part. It's just another bit of armchair-general bullcrap that you can easily find in this forum.

nullterm
05-29-2009, 05:49 PM
If something did break out, who would support NK? Originally NK had the backing of China, and to some extent the Soviet Union. If they didn't have the backing of a major power, they'd probably get a few good shots in but wouldn't have the resources for a sustained large scale war.

SBL
05-29-2009, 05:54 PM
What a load of bullsh*t.

Kit
05-29-2009, 06:51 PM
Should there be a war NK would collapse almost as quickly as Saddams army did. I think most of them have lost their real will to fight for that ****ty regime a long time ago. Even during the Korean war when they still had the "faith" they were soundly beaten without the intervention of China.

I'd be more worried about their retaliation against South Korean population centers though.

x2

The North Korean Army is poorly equipped, poorly fed, poorly maintained, and I bet 99% of them are trained under suicide-tactics. All they have is numbers against the South Koreans. I wouldn't be surprised that they'll surrender at the first opportunity.

The South, with the Americans, and maybe the Japanese if they wish to join, will crush North Korea within weeks. The hardest part will be protecting civilian centers.

budgie
05-29-2009, 11:00 PM
Should there be a war NK would collapse almost as quickly as Saddams army did. I think most of them have lost their real will to fight for that ****ty regime a long time ago. Even during the Korean war when they still had the "faith" they were soundly beaten without the intervention of China.

I'd be more worried about their retaliation against South Korean population centers though.

Rockets and Artillery will be a problem but face to face they'd collapse: after decades under the regime, NK combat troops simmply won"t ahve the will to fight for them. It's not the hopeful days of tyhe late forties anymore.

Ngati Tumatauenga
05-30-2009, 07:29 AM
A complete waste of rations and thief of oxygen.

Evolv5
05-30-2009, 07:46 AM
I've never heard of those "raids" before, are they true or is he bull****ting about them as well?

the_13th_redneck
05-30-2009, 09:33 AM
They're not going to attack.
It's just internal politics caused by Kim Jong-il's succession plan. He needs friends who have guns and there are some ways to keep them happy.