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Ordie
05-30-2009, 12:53 PM
North Korea's nuclear test puts China in a tight spot

Decades after border town Dandong was rocked by the Korean war, Beijing is witnessing rising tensions with its troubled neighbour
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/29/china-beijing-north-korea-nuclear-test/print#history-byline)
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pixies/2009/5/30/1243638814301/North-Korean-workers-on-t-001.jpg North Korean workers on the Yalu river, which borders China. The country is heavily dependent on its old ally, which provides up to 90% of its energy and 40% of its food. Photograph: Dan Chung

Grandfather Li sat by the Yalu river, feeding ice-cream to the little girl on his lap and gazing across to the desolate factories of Sinuiju, North Korea (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/north-korea).
"The first day the planes came over we were so scared," he recalled. He was 10 when the US bombed the nearby bridge to halt Chinese support for its neighbour in the Korean war; a few spans still stand as evidence of the raids.
"When the war ended [in 1953], we were very happy, a bit proud for helping them – and relieved."
It has been decades since American bombs rocked Dandong, the main crossing on the 800-mile Chinese-North Korean border. But this week another explosion shook China (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/china) and the new threat is from its old ally. North Korea's nuclear test has raised tensions throughout the region – and increased pressure on China to rein in its neighbour.
China provides as much as 90% of the North's energy and 40% of its food. Like Russia, it has used its security council veto against attempts to isolate Pyongyang. Without its support, its poor neighbour would struggle to survive.
But now it appears that the North may be exhausting Beijing's patience. This week's nuclear and missile tests, last month's rocket launch, increasing threats and the suspected restarting of the Yongbyon nuclear plant have reignited debate about how best to deal with a troublesome neighbour.
Beijing was swift to slap down the nuclear test in a rare act of public criticism and the US appears hopeful that it will sign a security council resolution toughening existing sanctions – agreed in 2006, but only loosely enforced
"This time, North Korea has gone too far," said Zhang Liangui, a Korea expert at Beijing's Central Party School, which trains Communist party officials. "What they have done has hurt its relationship with China."
In Li's boyhood, Mao Zedong declared that China and North Korea were "as close as lips and teeth". Hundreds of thousands of Chinese soldiers died fighting for the North. But now, China fears North Korea's sabre-rattling could prompt or justify Japanese remilitarisation, further defence spending in the South or increase US military support for Seoul – shifting the regional balance of power to its disadvantage. Any military skirmish could have a devastating impact on Sino-South Korean relations.
"If they launch even a limited conflict with South Korea, China will face immediate strategic and diplomatic problems," said Professor Shi Yinhong, a foreign policy expert at Renmin University. But analysts see a deeper reason behind China's growing anger towards Pyongyang. North Korea's aggression is widely regarded as an attempt to grab the attention of the new US administration and force it to engage. As such, they posit, it reflects Pyongyang's distrust and dislike of its protector.
"Of course Beijing is mad about it," said Professor Huang Jing, an expert on north Asia security and currently visiting professor at the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy in Singapore.
"The North is basically saying: we don't trust you – we are going to speak to Washington directly."
For now, however, Dandong is where North Korea meets the world; in so far as such a closed country cares to meet it at all. For most Chinese, the closest they get is posing in traditional Korean dress for a snapshot at the Broken Bridge, or taking a tourist boat along the river and peering at their neighbours through binoculars. Armed North Korean guards ensure that no one gets too close.
Until the 1970s, the North was relatively prosperous compared to its neighbour. Now looking across the river is "like looking into China in the 50s", said one resident. "Everyone's on bicycles and they all seem to wear the same coloured clothes."
Along the upper reaches of the Yalu, North Koreans wash clothes and bathe off the banks. Cyclists pedal along the long shore road and the only vehicles are a police car and a workers' truck.
But the real difference is evident as one comes closer to Dandong, a city of bulldozers, cranes and high rises; of gaudy karaoke bars and flashy restaurants, zooming cars and tourist tat.
Sinujiu has a ferris wheel, but it does not turn. Few boats seem to arrive at its docks; smoke emerges from only one of the factory chimneys.
As night falls, the contrast between these worlds grows starker. The lights on the Friendship Bridge stop halfway — a startling reminder of North Korea's fuel poverty. While neon lights the Chinese skyline, the opposite shore is shrouded in darkness.
Many in Dandong feel sympathy as well as exasperation for their struggling neighbours. "Maybe they wouldn't do things like this test if places like Japan weren't so mean to them," one resident suggested. Historical amity and education plays its part; the city is, after all, home to the Chinese Memorial Hall of the War to Resist US Aggression and Aid Korea. So too does trade. Figures from a Seoul-based business association suggest China's share of the North's trade rose from less than a third in 2003 to almost three-quarters in 2008, when exports hit $2bn (£1.2bn).
More than two-thirds of the goods comes via this city daily, in lorries shuttling across the Friendship Bridge bearing instant noodles and flour but also spirits, electric rice cookers and even vehicles for the favoured elite.
In the streets around the city's customs house, North Korean traders stock up on Chinese cigarettes, clothing and electrical goods. But Yu Yanhua, who runs a small grocery store, said trade has taken a hit in recent days. "They've been checking more strictly at customs since the nuclear test," he said. "I worry that it's going to get worse."
Tougher action is not unprecedented. As well as clear diplomatic condemnation of weapons tests, China briefly cut off oil supplies in 2003, and again three years later after the North's first nuclear and long distance missile test. It has tightened visas for North Koreans and helped scrutinise bank accounts when the US treasury sought to clamp down on North Korea's international banking.
"Beijing has really shifted its position since the first long-range missile test and particularly nuclear test [in 2006]," said Eric Hagt, director of the China programme at the Centre for Defence Information in Washington. He pointed to a party meeting that year which described a nuclear North Korea as a challenge to China's "core interests".
Yet China fears the instability economic action could bring. There are already thought to be around 50,000 North Koreans living illicitly in China; the last thing Beijing wants is millions of refugees flooding across the border. The Associated Press reported this week that construction of a massive concrete and barbed wire fence along vulnerable parts of the Yalu River appeared to have been stepped up in recent days.
China's ability to contain North Korea is critical to its influence in the region. Yet the more it exercises that power, the more hostile the North becomes.
"China does not want to push Pyongyang away. The bottom line is that – like everyone else – China does not want to solve other people's problems with its resources," said Huang.
Those sentiments are felt on Dandong's waterfront as well as in Beijing. "I'm certainly worried by the test ... They are trying to prove they are an international power," said 18-year-old Yang Ya, who felt the North was now more of a threat than the US. "But I don't think it's fair to ask China to handle it all. This is everyone's problem."



Source:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/29/china-beijing-north-korea-nuclear-test/print

Hollis
05-30-2009, 12:56 PM
I think China will play a very important, if not a critical roll in NK issue. I Hope that China chooses the right path and that their diplomats are very good and successful.

Jaegermeister + Red Bull
05-30-2009, 01:11 PM
China will choose a path in accordance to its own national interest. Until people realise China and the USA/Japan have fundamentally different interest in the Korean peninsula lots of people will be in for a shock.

There is no right or wrong path. Leave that for Hollywood and children bed time stories.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/pomfretschina/2009/05/can_china_really_do_more_with.html

BearInBunnySuit
05-30-2009, 01:48 PM
China will choose a path in accordance to its own national interest. Until people realise China and the USA/Japan have fundamentally different interest in the Korean peninsula lots of people will be in for a shock.

There is no right or wrong path. Leave that for Hollywood and children bed time stories.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/pomfretschina/2009/05/can_china_really_do_more_with.html

Thanks for posting that. That's a pretty good assessment of China's position vis-a-vis the Korean peninsula.

Ordie
05-30-2009, 02:14 PM
China's concerns are more immediate.

Scriptable
05-30-2009, 09:33 PM
China will choose a path in accordance to its own national interest. Until people realise China and the USA/Japan have fundamentally different interest in the Korean peninsula lots of people will be in for a shock.

There is no right or wrong path. Leave that for Hollywood and children bed time stories.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/pomfretschina/2009/05/can_china_really_do_more_with.html
On the other hand China has a desire to play an influential role in world affairs and be seen as a good global citizen, and such a role has certain responsibilities attached -- including sometimes making decisions and taking action that place the overall good above national interest.

sinophile
05-30-2009, 11:50 PM
China will choose a path in accordance to its own national interest. Until people realise China and the USA/Japan have fundamentally different interest in the Korean peninsula lots of people will be in for a shock.

There is no right or wrong path. Leave that for Hollywood and children bed time stories.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/postglobal/pomfretschina/2009/05/can_china_really_do_more_with.html

China's national interest is to prevent a united Korea, which would be a measurable economic (and possibly political) threat to China. I doubt if Japan even wants to see a unified Korea for economic reasons.

Its unfortunate, because a unified Korea would a net plus for the world economy, certainly for the Korean people and it would come at a welcome time.

Mobydog
05-31-2009, 01:11 AM
No, China's national interest is to prevent a pro-US govt united Korea, placing global nuclear defense system at it's border with Russia, and building the world's biggest US military base. Flying P-3's on a daily basis and conducting large scale military exercises periodically next to Yalu River, and members of this forum will say it's not an aggression nor offensive, But Russia and china building up their military to counter this 'threat', they would swear, curse, and scream bloody murder - posting articles asking why are the chinese and Russian richeting up tension against a free innocent country.

Ordie
05-31-2009, 03:04 AM
Chinese domestic harmony, security and legitimacy trumps everything. For North Koreans, China is paradise in terms of material goods, services, relative freedom and jobs.

If North Korea implodes, the masses will head north into China, which will further disrupt social issues.

Russia has a similar concern in its Maritime provences.

Both China and Russia have a notable local Korean communities in which informal South Korean church and aid groups are providing assistance towards thier N. Korean compatriots.

damagejackal
05-31-2009, 03:50 AM
Both China and Russia have a notable local Korean communities in which informal South Korean church and aid groups are providing assistance towards thier N. Korean compatriots.

Actually the Chinese joke that if north korea ever collapses, we hope they dont turn up on the Russian side . . .They will wonder what all the big fuss about capitalism is:)

TheMiddlePath
05-31-2009, 05:24 AM
China's national interest is to prevent a united Korea, which would be a measurable economic (and possibly political) threat to China. I doubt if Japan even wants to see a unified Korea for economic reasons.

Its unfortunate, because a unified Korea would a net plus for the world economy, certainly for the Korean people and it would come at a welcome time.

Actually China's policy on North Korea has more in common with South Korea then US or Japan.

Gradual peaceful unification over regime change and war.

void
05-31-2009, 07:23 AM
Actually the Chinese joke that if north korea ever collapses, we hope they dont turn up on the Russian side . . .They will wonder what all the big fuss about capitalism is:)

Considering the poor standard of living of the average Chinese citizen, thats a rather strange sentiment...

Ordie
05-31-2009, 12:33 PM
Actually China's policy on North Korea has more in common with South Korea then US or Japan.

Gradual peaceful unification over regime change and war.

Buzz words.

China's intervention in the Korean War was predicated upon the threat of UN forces at thier own border on the Yalu River.

Having a buffer state on subsistance level is better than a country with US Forces. China has learned its lessons from Russia in terms of NATO encroachment on its borders.

sinophile
05-31-2009, 01:40 PM
Actually China's policy on North Korea has more in common with South Korea then US or Japan.

Gradual peaceful unification over regime change and war.

No regime change. True.
No war. True.
Gradual peaceful unfication... ha, ha. I don't think 36 million North Korean low-cost laborers with access to South Korean capital and technology is something anyone in China welcomes. Their standard of living would soon exceed that of citizens in Tianjin and Shenyang. Nope, its better for China if the two Koreas remain apart I think.

SBL
05-31-2009, 01:43 PM
Actually China's policy on North Korea has more in common with South Korea then US or Japan.

Gradual peaceful unification over regime change and war.
So gradual, in fact, that it never happens. :lol:

oldsoak
05-31-2009, 03:17 PM
Chinese domestic harmony, security and legitimacy trumps everything. For North Koreans, China is paradise in terms of material goods, services, relative freedom and jobs.

If North Korea implodes, the masses will head north into China, which will further disrupt social issues.

Russia has a similar concern in its Maritime provences.

Both China and Russia have a notable local Korean communities in which informal South Korean church and aid groups are providing assistance towards thier N. Korean compatriots.

Pretty much. Any real attempt by N Korea to kick off will probably find some PRC divisions camped firmly just inside N Korea to ensure the masses stay put and the US Government bonds have not been rendered worthless. The usual "need to "preserve the revoltion" and all that good stuff will prevail. Cant see the PRC letting N Korea turn Chinas plans on its head.