Israeli Paratroop Ceremonies...

[b.scheller]

A couple of months ago, we watched a movie about the IDF. In a history class, it was filmed by the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corp.) around the time of Lebanon.

In one segment they showed a ceremony where recruits became full paratroopers. They got the beret, the wings, a rifle, and a holy book. They did the ceremony near the wailing wall with these huge paratroop wings made from wood or some other flamable substance, and they burned them.

Are the ceremonies nowadays carried out the same? Would anyone have any photos...

Thanks

[tacticalmanta]

when I was serving, they (tzanchanim) also did swearing in at Matzada..but I was told they stopped doing it there. Several units have elaborate swearing-in ceremonies.

[b.scheller]

Ah, awesome; thanks for the info manta...

[tacticalmanta]

no problem.. the way I understand it is that the para unit would climb to the top of Matzada in the middle of the night and the ceremony would be held on top at sunrise.

[Moledet]

What you have seen is called "masa kumta", which is a 80km journey from Be'er Sheva area to Jerusalem.
And yes, it's still being done.

[b.scheller]

Ah, now that you mention it moledat I do remember the 80 km run as part of the ceremony.

[tacticalmanta]

the masaa is only part of it.. and it's not always 80 km.. I believe the march to Matzada was 120.

to me the masaa is a different event..

There is an ambulance that follows the soliders... because some hurt their ankles or collapse on the way. However, as far as I know, they have not let a soldier be returned in the ambulance. Instead, the solider is put on a stretcher and he complete the march on the shoulders of his fellow troops.

[Javehn]

You know , Tsanhanim don't do 120 km for a long long long time now .

I don't think even in their good days Tsanhanim did 120 km .

You shure you know what you are talking about ?

[b.scheller]

boys, :lol: dont turn this into a flame war...

[Javehn]

It's just not ok dude, that you are taking advice from wrong man . :)

[Moledet]

You know , Tsanhanim don't do 120 km for a long long long time now .

I don't think even in their good days Tsanhanim did 120 km .

You shure you know what you are talking about ?
I think that Sayeret MATKAL soldiers do 120km.

P.S. What do you mean "good days"? I wanna join them so I wanna hear your claim.

[Javehn]

Duvdevan used to do some time ago 120 km , but no more . Too much .

Good day means that with time people phisical skills are getting down (With PC and Internet invention :) , who wants to go to jim) . And because that there were too many injuries during that long marsh .

But don't worry , what's now it's still ****ing hard .. Meanwhile worry about passing the Gibush . 2 Km running is not that simple as you think . And to **** up in dunes near Tel Hashomer it's not nice at all .

[Moledet]

That CBC show was with a muscular american looking guy? Because I think that it was broadcasted here. After he finished the joruney he went to train with the Alpinistim and because of a foot injury from the paratroopers journey he couldn't get off the mountain without a snow cat.

P.S. The wings of Sayeret Matkal (they look almost the same):
http://www.isayeret.com/units/land/intel/767/767.jpg

[/McH\]

The "Masa Kumta" of Tzanhanim is 90Km

[tacticalmanta]

I wasn't in tsanchan.. so I am just guessing.. or rather remembering what I saw and heard. I as I stated, I am not 100% sure of it.. but then again, this was before the Filth came in from the Urals. However, I know fore sur that some of the marches, I don't know by whom, were 120km.

Jav wasn't in tsanchan either, so he is not exactly an expert. I can ask some of my friends.. but the ones I know in tsanchan served in the early '80's and before, so I am sure it is different.

[/McH\]

That CBC show was with a muscular american looking guy? Because I think that it was broadcasted here. After he finished the joruney he went to train with the Alpinistim and because of a foot injury from the paratroopers journey he couldn't get off the mountain without a snow cat.

haha I saw that on 8th Channel, and I think he is from England Or Canada.. And his Knee is f***ed up, and not from the paratroopers journey ;)



And to f*** up in dunes near Tel Hashomer it's not nice at all .

hmm, it looks like more sand and rocks than a Dunes, I Enjoyed those 2 days of the Gibush, espeacialy the first day, its was a "Shuk", Funny day :lol:

[Javehn]

Yea , shook ... Market . I wanted to kick the **** out of that instructor that yelled "Faster , faster , you can do it " . What the hell he knows what I can do or cannot do :lol: .


And then , comming at 4 :00 in the morning , and it is so freeking cold .... :|

[/McH\]

Yea , shook ... Market . I wanted to kick the **** out of that instructor that yelled "Faster , faster , you can do it " . What the hell he knows what I can do or cannot do :lol: .



"Faster, faster, you can do it"??? consider yourself lucky, at least your Instructer cheered you up.. to us he said nothing, exept "Go" after 5 sec of rest.. This arrogant bastard, if he wasnt in the army I would kick his ass!! but hey, at least the food was good :)

[tacticalmanta]

All I heard was...

"I don't want to see your head above water for an hour."

Different Job, different people.

[Javehn]

Yea , well , our instructors in my Gibush were nice guys . They laughed hard (thought I pretty shure it was not with us , but on us ) , and maked joks (I am not shure again , if it was with us or about us :) . I will go on second) .

There was one guy who left the army 3 days before and came back to perform the Gibush . woot Serious bastard .

Well , anyway , I didn't make it . :oops: :roll: :| :cantbeli:

[/McH\]

Yea , well , our instructors in my Gibush were nice guys . They laughed hard (thought I pretty shure it was not with us , but on us ) , and maked joks (I am not shure again , if it was with us or about us :) . I will go on second) .

There was one guy who left the army 3 days before and came back to perform the Gibush . woot Serious bastard .

Well , anyway , I didn't make it . :oops: :roll: :| :cantbeli:

Well.. it was on you.. :lol:

גם אצלי בגיבוש היה אחד מ"עורב" שעמד להשתחרר 3 ימים אחרי זה.. הבן אדם תימני שרוט איזה צחוקים היה איתו, הוא לקח פלאפון לאיזה ילד אחד באמצע שהוא דיבר, והתחיל לדבר עם
אחותו, לקחת מס' טלפון "מה את עושה סוף שבוע?" חחח הייתי על הריצפה.




All I heard was...

"I don't want to see your head above water for an hour."

Shayetet 13??

[Moledet]

All I heard was...

"I don't want to see your head above water for an hour."

Shayetet 13??

Cleaning toilets, IMO :)
No offense, and sorry for joking about you the 2nd time.

[tacticalmanta]

All I heard was...

"I don't want to see your head above water for an hour."

Shayetet 13??

Lol, no.. but a unit related to it

[Javehn]

Sayeret Tabahim mutsnahat :)

[tacticalmanta]

Sayeret Tabahim mutsnahat :)

:roll:

[Javehn]

:lol:

[/McH\]

All I heard was...

"I don't want to see your head above water for an hour."

Shayetet 13??

Lol, no.. but a unit related to it

hmm it sounds to me that your Swimming Instructor told you that...


Come on, what Gibush are you talking about, the only one i think after Sayeret 13 is 669

[tacticalmanta]

lol.. I wasn't in 669 for sure.. that unit really has my respect.

There are a few units that go to dive school with S-13.. I wasn't S-13, but I trained with them. I didn't have nearly the training S-13 gets and I never went to Tel Nof.

[Moledet]

All I heard was...

"I don't want to see your head above water for an hour."

Shayetet 13??

Lol, no.. but a unit related to it

hmm it sounds to me that your Swimming Instructor told you that...


Come on, what Gibush are you talking about, the only one i think after Sayeret 13 is 669
I think he did gibush Hovlim.

BTW, how hard is gibush of MATKAL?

[Javehn]

Yom Sayarot is not that hard . Gibushon on the other way , is freeking lunatics ...


I think he did gibush Hovlim.

I think he was a diver ... Well , he had too much under watter one day :|

[tacticalmanta]

All I heard was...

"I don't want to see your head above water for an hour."

Shayetet 13??

Lol, no.. but a unit related to it

hmm it sounds to me that your Swimming Instructor told you that...


Come on, what Gibush are you talking about, the only one i think after Sayeret 13 is 669
I think he did gibush Hovlim.
BTW, how hard is gibush of MATKAL?

I just pmed mch with what I did, he can tell you.. I didn't spend enough time in to do officer school, although it would have been nice.

MATKAL is supposed to be the hardest, no?

[Moledet]

Yom Sayarot is not that hard . Gibushon on the other way , is freeking lunatics ...


I think he did gibush Hovlim.

I think he was a diver ... Well , he had too much under watter one day :|
Damn, it looks like the easiest way to get into T'zahnhanim. Becuase of you fail you do gibush Shaldag, submarines and 669 and then if you fail again they send you tot he physchologist and than if you don't pass again you are definetly in T'zanhanim (if you pass you go to Maglan/Egoz).

S'13 is the hardest, four days (at least that's what people say)

[tacticalmanta]

Yom Sayarot is not that hard . Gibushon on the other way , is freeking lunatics ...


I think he did gibush Hovlim.

I think he was a diver ... Well , he had too much under watter one day :|
Damn, it looks like the easiest way to get into T'zahnhanim. Becuase of you fail you do gibush Shaldag, submarines and 669 and then if you fail again they send you tot he physchologist and than if you don't pass again you are definetly in T'zanhanim (if you pass you go to Maglan/Egoz).

S'13 is the hardest, four days (at least that's what people say)

Adif Achot Zona Mi Ach BeGolani

[Javehn]

Hmm , I think Egoz is different , you there from Golani . You can also go to Duvdevan if you pass the course , it's the same (Tsanhanim/Duvdevan) .

[/McH\]

Damn, it looks like the easiest way to get into T'zahnhanim. Becuase of you fail you do gibush Shaldag, submarines and 669 and then if you fail again they send you tot he physchologist and than if you don't pass again you are definetly in T'zanhanim (if you pass you go to Maglan/Egoz).

S'13 is the hardest, four days.

Its not the easyest way.. Most of those who get an Interview with Physchologists dont get accepted to Ztanhanim.. Dont ask me why.

And S'13 is indeed the Hardest, my neighbour said that this Gibush is "Unhuman", and this guy is very strong physically ( after 20km of running this bastard is not even tired.. )

[tacticalmanta]

Egoz was special.. they selected people already in Golani to do some special things in Lebanon.

[tacticalmanta]

Damn, it looks like the easiest way to get into T'zahnhanim. Becuase of you fail you do gibush Shaldag, submarines and 669 and then if you fail again they send you tot he physchologist and than if you don't pass again you are definetly in T'zanhanim (if you pass you go to Maglan/Egoz).

S'13 is the hardest, four days.

Its not the easyest way.. Most of those who get an Interview with Physchologists dont get accepted to Ztanhanim.. Dont ask me why.

And S'13 is indeed the Hardest, my neighbour said that this Gibush is "Unhuman", and this guy is very strong physically ( after 20km of running this bastard is not even tired.. )

I think 669 has it harder.. but that is just my opinion... but S-13 they really screw with your mind.. it is mental toughness that they test and it's pretty sick.

[Moledet]

Hmm , I think Egoz is different , you there from Golani . You can also go to Duvdevan if you pass the course , it's the same (Tsanhanim/Duvdevan) .
Only by passing gibushon you can go to Duvdevan.
Here's the current map:
http://www.idf2000.co.il/corps/gibush_map.htm

[tacticalmanta]

wow, it's nice to see that site again.. it went dead for awhile last year an dI stopped visitng

[/McH\]

wow, it's nice to see that site again.. it went dead for awhile last year an dI stopped visitng

Its still dead..


And btw.. can someone tell me how this thread is related to Strictly Photos & Video? lol..

[Javehn]

Hmm , I think Egoz is different , you there from Golani . You can also go to Duvdevan if you pass the course , it's the same (Tsanhanim/Duvdevan) .
Only by passing gibushon you can go to Duvdevan.
Here's the current map:
http://www.idf2000.co.il/corps/gibush_map.htm

Just like I said . You have the same Gibush for Duvdevan and Tsanhanim . Later you have interview where you want to go more , Tsanhanim or Duvdevan .

[tacticalmanta]

the tree is missing something.. because if you fail during certain parts of the Kurs for S-13, for example, you can be put in other units...

Some examples...

Pilots who fail can go to S-13
S-13 (pass gibush) but fail in traing go to YABAN, YALTAM, and Tsanchan

and so on

[tacticalmanta]

wow, it's nice to see that site again.. it went dead for awhile last year an dI stopped visitng

Its still dead..


And btw.. can someone tell me how this thread is related to Strictly Photos & Video? lol..

http://www.isayeret.com/units/sea/yaban/4.jpg

yeah!

[/McH\]

Hmm , I think Egoz is different , you there from Golani . You can also go to Duvdevan if you pass the course , it's the same (Tsanhanim/Duvdevan) .
Only by passing gibushon you can go to Duvdevan.
Here's the current map:
http://www.idf2000.co.il/corps/gibush_map.htm

Just like I said . You have the same Gibush for Duvdevan and Tsanhanim . Later you have interview where you want to go more , Tsanhanim or Duvdevan .

Not execly.. You do Tzanhanim/Duvadevan Gibush, If you are very good at this gibush you will be "מאותר דובדבן", and a week after the Giyus you will do another gibush, only to Duvdevan.

[Moledet]

Hmm , I think Egoz is different , you there from Golani . You can also go to Duvdevan if you pass the course , it's the same (Tsanhanim/Duvdevan) .
Only by passing gibushon you can go to Duvdevan.
Here's the current map:
http://www.idf2000.co.il/corps/gibush_map.htm

Just like I said . You have the same Gibush for Duvdevan and Tsanhanim . Later you have interview where you want to go more , Tsanhanim or Duvdevan .

Not execly.. You do Tzanhanim/Duvadevan Gibush, If you are very good at this gibush you will be "מאותר דובדבן", and a week after the Giyus you will do another gibush, only to Duvdevan.
Maglan or PALSAR are enough for me :)

[Javehn]

Right , and if you don't pass the Gibush of Duvdevan , you go back to Tsanhanim ?

[tacticalmanta]

lol, you go home and don't tell your girlfriend.

[hey]

Right , and if you don't pass the Gibush of Duvdevan , you go back to Tsanhanim ?

in most cases you go to the gdudim but sometimes the other yahatiyot take you (but not plasar).

[AirZone]

weee in august im gonna have a gibush for S13 (gadna tzlila..me gonna dive weeee)


god help me rofl

[tacticalmanta]

good luck.. I'll give you some info if you need it. If pass, let me know which SCUBA school you go to.. there is one in Haifa, Atlit, and Eilat.

[AirZone]

Thank you.. I'll need it, if i will pass ? if i will finish :lol: anyway thanks for offering help but i know enough for now :D gonna be fun diving with S13.

[tacticalmanta]

Diving doesn't come until later unless your are going to do the gadna first. You don't just go to SCUBA school, lol. But you are going to swim!

Also, if you think you know everything, you don't. But, good luck!

[b.scheller]

thanks moledat for the picture!

[gilgoul]

That CBC show was with a muscular american looking guy? Because I think that it was broadcasted here. After he finished the joruney he went to train with the Alpinistim and because of a foot injury from the paratroopers journey he couldn't get off the mountain without a snow cat.

P.S. The wings of Sayeret Matkal (they look almost the same):
http://www.isayeret.com/units/land/intel/767/767.jpg

I saw this on arutz discovery, the guy is one of those travelling reporter or so, and did a part of the Masa kumta to Jerusalem. But it`s more like a 60 Km hardcore than a 120 Km, that just breaks you and sends you in gimmelim instaed of kours mitkadem.

[/McH\]

I saw this on arutz discovery, the guy is one of those travelling reporter or so, and did a part of the Masa kumta to Jerusalem. But it`s more like a 60 Km hardcore than a 120 Km, that just breaks you and sends you in gimmelim instaed of kours mitkadem.

But it was the Masa Kumta of the Paratroopers.. they are doing 90Km not 60 or 120 Km

[W(M)D]

I saw this on arutz discovery, the guy is one of those travelling reporter or so, and did a part of the Masa kumta to Jerusalem. But it`s more like a 60 Km hardcore than a 120 Km, that just breaks you and sends you in gimmelim instaed of kours mitkadem.

But it was the Masa Kumta of the Paratroopers.. they are doing 90Km not 60 or 120 Km

'Chir' & 'handassa' used to do 80-90km overnight for 'masa kumta', 'sayarot' did a straight 120km.
Is it not now the case that the former ('chir' & 'handassa') do 120km but spread over a couple of days with exercises along route?
The bummer about finishing at Masada is that you can see it 20 or so (whatever) kilometres away but as you march toward it, it never seems to get any closer until you finally arrive, this goes on for hours. :lol: The climb up seemed to last a very very long time - ouch!!

[AirZone]

Diving doesn't come until later unless your are going to do the gadna first. You don't just go to SCUBA school, lol. But you are going to swim!

Also, if you think you know everything, you don't. But, good luck!

Well i'm going to the gadna first :D
about swimming im not the best swimer (gonna work on it now) and my friend that been in the gadna+gibush said you dont need to be good swimmer just to keep your head inside the water with your snorkel :lol:

and yeah i dont know ****.. i just wanna be able to run 16km with all that **** :| but yeah everything is in the head...

[pretorian669]

the masaa is only part of it.. and it's not always 80 km.. I believe the march to Matzada was 120.

to me the masaa is a different event..

There is an ambulance that follows the soliders... because some hurt their ankles or collapse on the way. However, as far as I know, they have not let a soldier be returned in the ambulance. Instead, the solider is put on a stretcher and he complete the march on the shoulders of his fellow troops.

80km, 90km or 120km... What’s the difference? After the first 60 km you can't feel sh*t, you just keep on walking/running until the guys with the berets say it is over ;)
Mine was 82. Real proud of my beret.

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/beret.jpg

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/pretorian669/Dsc01466.jpg

[/McH\]

pretorian669, where in tzanhanim are you serving/served??

[W(M)D]

Real proud of my beret.

Still got mine (along with some other 'souvenirs') at home, worked hard enough for it.

But hey, if you are a jobnik attached to a kravi unit you get the beret without earning it - slack b*ggers.

[pretorian669]

pretorian669, where in tzanhanim are you serving/served??
Not Tzanchanin but Duvdevan . Same beret only bigger hole in the butt :lol:

[Moledet]

Oket'z are doing masa kumta with the dogs or do they get them after they finish the masa?

[UoUo]

pretorian669, where in tzanhanim are you serving/served??
Not Tzanchanin but Duvdevan . Same beret only bigger hole in the butt :lol:

Oh you are Hardcore man!!! :hug: woot :D

[W(M)D]

Not Tzanchanin but Duvdevan .......

With my (bad) Ivrit, I always correlated the name Duvdevan with the word Dagdegan!!

PS Do Duvdevan do course znicha? What is their conventional war role these days?

[UoUo]

Not Tzanchanin but Duvdevan .......

With my (bad) Ivrit, I always correlated the name Duvdevan with the word Dagdegan!!

PS Do Duvdevan do course znicha? What is their conventional war role these days?

rofl rofl rofl

I think Duvdevan are CT unit.

[W(M)D]

May be a CT unit currently, but most CT roled units have a conventional war role also, was wondering if they had one?

[UoUo]

May be a CT unit currently, but most CT roled units have a conventional war role also, was wondering if they had one?

I think Duvdevan are one of the onlt units the are pure CT unit i mean i think they made for CT...but i am not sure then we just wait when he will answer us.

[S'13]

May be a CT unit currently, but most CT roled units have a conventional war role also, was wondering if they had one?

Duvdevan has no conventional war role, since its creation it operated as a CT unit in the Territories.

[UoUo]

p-)

[pretorian669]

Not Tzanchanin but Duvdevan .......

With my (bad) Ivrit, I always correlated the name Duvdevan with the word Dagdegan!!

PS Do Duvdevan do course znicha? What is their conventional war role these days?

rofl rofl rofl

I think Duvdevan are CT unit.

http://www.isayeret.com/units/land/special/217/article.htm

[W(M)D]

.......since its creation it operated as a CT unit in the Territories.

Just seen your response, cheers for that. I always thought that in the 80s it also had an anti tank role.

Another question for the newer blood, it seems that these days alot of chir units have red berets and brown boots (besides Golani and Givati), besides tzanchanim which other units are entitled to the red beret and brown boots?
Are the tzanchanim still 'yaldei tov yerushalayim'? :lol:

[pretorian669]

May be a CT unit currently, but most CT roled units have a conventional war role also, was wondering if they had one?

I think Duvdevan are one of the onlt units the are pure CT unit i mean i think they made for CT...but i am not sure then we just wait when he will answer us.

Regular teams stay in the territories even in High Intensity Warfare. Reservist teams are tasked with reconnaissance missions. There were also rumors of training for enemy officer snatch missions but I can’t confirm that.

[UoUo]

.......since its creation it operated as a CT unit in the Territories.

Just seen your response, cheers for that. I always thought that in the 80s it also had an anti tank role.

Another question for the newer blood, it seems that these days alot of chir units have red berets and brown boots (besides Golani and Givati), besides tzanchanim which other units are entitled to the red beret and brown boots?
Are the tzanchanim still 'yaldei tov yerushalayim'? :lol:

I think sayert matkal also have brown boots and red berets....and Nahal have browm boots...but not red berets.. :D

Maybe they are more units..don't know....

oh...i think oket's...but not sure............

[pretorian669]

I always thought that in the 80s it also had an anti tank role.

Thats Duchifat

[Moledet]

.......since its creation it operated as a CT unit in the Territories.

Just seen your response, cheers for that. I always thought that in the 80s it also had an anti tank role.

Another question for the newer blood, it seems that these days alot of chir units have red berets and brown boots (besides Golani and Givati), besides tzanchanim which other units are entitled to the red beret and brown boots?
Are the tzanchanim still 'yaldei tov yerushalayim'? :lol:
Oket'z are also wearing red boots and red berets and I think that all the inteligence gathering units also wear red boots.

[W(M)D]

It just seemed to me that these days half (slight exaggeration) the IDF is entitled to wear brown boots, etc or kravi badges, berets, etc. Must be lots of jobnikim working the stores (fcuking w*nkers). :lol:
It never seems to amaze me with the kravi/jobnik ratio in the IDF which on balance is higher then most other armies. (Excuse my rant about jobnikim) :lol:

[pretorian669]

Another question for the newer blood, it seems that these days alot of chir units have red berets and brown boots (besides Golani and Givati), besides tzanchanim which other units are entitled to the red beret and brown boots?


Duvdevan,869 team atached to DUVDEVAN,Maglan,Oketz,Sayeret Matkal.

[W(M)D]

I always thought that in the 80s it also had an anti tank role.

Thats Duchifat

Cheers, I had forgotten their name. It has been a long time and there are too many cobwebs :lol: I trained with a musket!!

[pretorian669]

It just seemed to me that these days half (slight exaggeration) the IDF is entitled to wear brown boots, etc or kravi badges, berets, etc. Must be lots of jobnikim working the stores (fcuking w*nkers). :lol:
It never seems to amaze me with the kravi/jobnik ratio in the IDF which on balance is higher then most other armies. (Excuse my rant about jobnikim) :lol:

According to IDF regulations you are entitled to wear your (lets say red) beret in other units only if you served at least two years in a unit that has the same beret. Of course it does not apply if you are relocated to the Air Force or Navy.
As for combat badges you can't wear them unless you earned them.
Sadly that regulation is not always enforced.
About brown boots I do not know.

[W(M)D]

Dress code regulations for 'aleph' were never enforced within the gdud when I served and knowing the IDF's conduct with formal discipline I would bet that it has never changed.
It always 'got my goat' that jobnikim (civilians in uniform basically) wore items of clothing etc that they were not entitled to and had never earnt.

Like I said before kravi/jobnik ratio is relatively to high but it is a rarity in chutz le'aretz to meet an Israeli who was not kravi (if you know what I mean). :lol:

[pretorian669]

Dress code regulations for 'aleph' were never enforced within the gdud when I served and knowing the IDF's conduct with formal discipline I would bet that it has never changed.
It always 'got my goat' that jobnikim (civilians in uniform basically) wore items of clothing etc that they were not entitled to and had never earnt.

Like I said before kravi/jobnik ratio is relatively to high but it is a rarity in chutz le'aretz to meet an Israeli who was not kravi (if you know what I mean). :lol:
Yeah Everybody is Ex "Sayeretmatkalpilotyamamdiver"
:lol:

[W(M)D]

You can tell the jobnik types quite easily :lol: There is alot of 'nefel' floating around if you get my meaning.

[Mark_Aspen]

Nahalaim who over to "their" Gdud (50 or 51) also where red beret, Nahal Mutznah.


Yeah Everybody is Ex "Sayeretmatkalpilotyamamdiver"

Praetorian has it right. You'd think all of the guys at Entebbe (even the ones who are only 25 today) now live in NY, LA, London and Amsterdam.

Last I heard Tzanhanim do their Masa Kumta at the end of jump training, 90 or 95 km. with alonkot from Tel Nof to Givat Ha-tachmoshet (Ammunition Hill). Back in thge 70s all the infantry and armour did some kind of masa to Masada. Some had a tekes, some didn't. We had ours on Masada with Mota Gur who was finishing as Ramat Kal.

[Yosy]

but S-13 they really screw with your mind.. it is mental toughness that they test and it's pretty sick.

Juts like our Comandos. There were guys that died in training.

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v248/EskiloKanibal/comandos/3.jpg

One of the most nerve-wrecking exercises is to put all the recruits in a pit. The recruits need to stay still, while the instructors fire live ammo to targets inches away from their heads. All training is done with live ammunition.

[Javehn]

Yeah Everybody is Ex "Sayeretmatkalpilotyamamdiver"

Yea , like our beloved friend , Tacticalmatsa .

[IDFM203]

Ok I see I am late here but I figured its never too late to throw in a few extra comments and well here goes………… :D


Duvdevan used to do some time ago 120 km , but no more . Too much . The whole “adam” base does a lot less and that’s all due to the army and particularly that base for they got all “fancy” and all offcial with all their health standards and data, where doctors always have a say on what is or isn’t too much, a concept unheard of 20 years ago.

To illustrate what I am talking about, I remember we just started out on some “Masa” in “tirunut” and we got to the “shin gimel” and were told to wait, anyways we are waiting and waiting and after about 20 minutes, the guard on the tower there calls us and says the base doesn’t allow us to do the “Masa” because the heat is above the limit that’s allowed for us to do the 25k-plus Massa for it higher then that specific heat number and as such we arent allowed to start the "Massa"….so I remember we left and we started it two hours later when it got darker and a bit more colder.

Anyways something tells me that if you told the “Yom Kipper war generation” hey you must wait due to our medical regulations, they would all laugh their asses off and then give a collective f*ck you to those regulations and then go off ;)

But as we see times have changed……………..heck it’s the same in the U.S.

All this is what I like to call in English a “pussification” of the military p-) :roll: :roll:

IMO at least its not as bad as I heard its gotten in the U.S. military, but I guess that might start a whole debate here ;) so again its just MY OPINION, not based on facts per say, just on what I have heard.

So back to Duvdavon and 120, yeah in this day and age, expect for say sayeret matkal and shaytet, I cant see how any other units are doing that……….heck I believe most of the IDF units have scaled back the number of kilometers as it was before.



80km, 90km or 120km... What’s the difference? After the first 60 km you can't feel sh*t, you just keep on walking/running until the guys with the berets say it is over ;)
Mine was 82. Real proud of my beret.

hehe :lol: indeed after a certain point it makes no difference…..now I didn’t do a 82 kilometer march but mine was long enough to fully grasp your point here.

Also I used to say after 40k its all mental, for any physical pains or whatnot would have stopped you before, for if you go on, no matter what the physical shape of the individual is, its all because of the mental motivation that moves you on and after that point indeed 40, 60, 90 etc… makes no difference physically.


Real proud of my beret.

Still got mine (along with some other 'souvenirs') at home, worked hard enough for it.

But hey, if you are a jobnik attached to a kravi unit you get the beret without earning it - slack b*ggers.Yes that is sad and pathetic and you also have sadly even some (believe me I saw this first hand :roll: ) "jobnikim" that go to “rikoshet” and purchase a “sikat lochem” and “walla”, they sit on their asses all day and night, but yet when they get off base, they present themselves as “kravi” fighters.


Like I said before kravi/jobnik ratio is relatively to high but it is a rarity in chutz le'aretz to meet an Israeli who was not kravi (if you know what I mean). :lol:Perhaps to an Israeli its as such, but to anyone else, hell its even worse and in fact it makes no difference what you say you did, as long as you had a weapon, you simply say Israeli solider, and hell you could have been a cook or cleaning trucks, people will assume that you were sayeret <insert your favorite one here> storming the streets of Rammllah under heavy gun fire ;)



It never seems to amaze me with the kravi/jobnik ratio in the IDF which on balance is higher then most other armies. (Excuse my rant about jobnikim) :lol: Yes it is huge the ratio, something which always surprises outsiders who usual think everyone is a fighter fighting, when in reality a majority are not.

Shalom :D

[citizen-k]

May be a CT unit currently, but most CT roled units have a conventional war role also, was wondering if they had one?

Duvdevan has no conventional war role, since its creation it operated as a CT unit in the Territories.

Not true, duvdevan had "other" businesses as well which never came public.

[citizen-k]

Perhaps to an Israeli its as such, but to anyone else, hell its even worse and in fact it makes no difference what you say you did, as long as you had a weapon, you simply say Israeli solider, and hell you could have been a cook or cleaning trucks, people will assume that you were sayeret <insert your favorite one here> storming the streets of Rammllah under heavy gun fire ;)


I simply say I had a green beret - I am not lying, and I'm not responsible for what other get from it ;)

[S'13]

May be a CT unit currently, but most CT roled units have a conventional war role also, was wondering if they had one?

Duvdevan has no conventional war role, since its creation it operated as a CT unit in the Territories.

Not true, duvdevan had "other" businesses as well which never came public.

Lets keep it that way then :) ;)

[Zenchan]

You guys are getting me nostalgic.... :D

80-90 km ... Massa Kumta

What was that somebody posted here? Masa Kumta at the end of jump training, 90 or 95 km. with alonkot from Tel Nof to Givat Ha-tachmoshet? Yeah, I can still remember that, my feet were raw flesh afterwards... we did the long swing via Latrun and through the Westbank hills... that was back in May 1972 and in those days Zenchanim used to do 120 plus clicks if it was the fancy of the Company Commander. Ours was keen on walking and he had planned a 150 km/24-30 hours trip for the end of course makim . The Brigade did not let him, so we did 75 clicks in less than 12 hrs which was nearly as bad

[Raistlin]

I simply say I had a green beret - I am not lying, and I'm not responsible for what other get from it ;)
Haha, good one.

[tacticalmanta]

but S-13 they really screw with your mind.. it is mental toughness that they test and it's pretty sick.

Juts like our Comandos. There were guys that died in training.

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v248/EskiloKanibal/comandos/3.jpg

One of the most nerve-wrecking exercises is to put all the recruits in a pit. The recruits need to stay still, while the instructors fire live ammo to targets inches away from their heads. All training is done with live ammunition.

A girl died during my dive training; heart attack underwater. This was just a little while after two divers got sucked into a container ship prop. One of the divers cut his buddy line and escaped while the other was killed.

[Truthsayer]

A girl died during my dive training; heart attack underwater. This was just a little while after two divers got sucked into a container ship prop. One of the divers cut his buddy line and escaped while the other was killed.

This was something you heard or saw firsthand, or another of those tales of "a friend of a friend said" that you are spreading around?

[tacticalmanta]

Which isntance? The girl who died was in my training group, you can check the Israeli newspapers during the summer of 1998 for some details. The guy who was killed in Haifa is named Yuval Levy. You can find his memorial site on the web.

What an obnoxious statement/ question to pose about the dead!

[Truthsayer]

Which isntance? The girl who died was in my training group, you can check the Eilat newspapers during the summer of 1998 for some details. The guy who was killed in Haifa is named Yuval Levy. You can find his memorial site on the web.

What an obnoxious statement/ question to pose about the dead!

Seeing the other threads you have posted in, I think it's an valid question.

(We all know that throwing pigs blood on the corpses where a tall tale...well, anyone besides you that is...)

[tacticalmanta]

Which isntance? The girl who died was in my training group, you can check the Eilat newspapers during the summer of 1998 for some details. The guy who was killed in Haifa is named Yuval Levy. You can find his memorial site on the web.

What an obnoxious statement/ question to pose about the dead!

Seeing the other threads you have posted in, I think it's an valid question.

(We all know that throwing pigs blood on the corpses where a tall tale...well, anyone besides you that is...)

Another person ignorant to the ways of Islam and islamic fanaticism. Your ignorance is par for the board as usual.

[tacticalmanta]

.......since its creation it operated as a CT unit in the Territories.

Just seen your response, cheers for that. I always thought that in the 80s it also had an anti tank role.

Another question for the newer blood, it seems that these days alot of chir units have red berets and brown boots (besides Golani and Givati), besides tzanchanim which other units are entitled to the red beret and brown boots?
Are the tzanchanim still 'yaldei tov yerushalayim'? :lol:
Oket'z are also wearing red boots and red berets and I think that all the inteligence gathering units also wear red boots.

Red boots are worn by anyone who went to jump school in Tel Nof. Para-qualified nachal wears red, unqualified black. Golani gets black einats unless they did Tel Nof. However, Air Force and Navy do not wear red boots (even though pilots, s-13, and others are para qualified).

Berets are as follows:
red - tzanchan
maroon - matkal
dark green - modiin
light green - nachal
light blue - totchanim
dark blue - mem tzadic
brown - golani
purple - givaati
black - shirion
navy - navy
blue-gray - air force
gray - handasa
OD - klali
orange - homefront

I think there are some new ones since I left.. and orange and light blue came after my time...

You wear the beret of your current unit in general.. this is most often seen by air force or navy guys who wash out into "army" units.

[citizen-k]

.......since its creation it operated as a CT unit in the Territories.

Just seen your response, cheers for that. I always thought that in the 80s it also had an anti tank role.

Another question for the newer blood, it seems that these days alot of chir units have red berets and brown boots (besides Golani and Givati), besides tzanchanim which other units are entitled to the red beret and brown boots?
Are the tzanchanim still 'yaldei tov yerushalayim'? :lol:
Oket'z are also wearing red boots and red berets and I think that all the inteligence gathering units also wear red boots.

Red boots are worn by anyone who went to jump school in Tel Nof. Para-qualified nachal wears red, unqualified black. Golani gets black einats unless they did Tel Nof. However, Air Force and Navy do not wear red boots (even though pilots, s-13, and others are para qualified).

Berets are as follows:
red - tzanchan
maroon - matkal
dark green - modiin
light green - nachal
light blue - totchanim
dark blue - mem tzadic
brown - golani
purple - givaati
black - shirion
navy - navy
blue-gray - air force
gray - handasa
OD - klali
orange - homefront

I think there are some new ones since I left.. and orange and light blue came after my time...

You wear the beret of your current unit in general.. this is most often seen by air force or navy guys who wash out into "army" units.

Matkal - red not maroon...

[GrimReaper]

Red boots are worn by anyone who went to jump school in Tel Nof. Para-qualified nachal wears red, unqualified black. Golani gets black einats unless they did Tel Nof. However, Air Force and Navy do not wear red boots (even though pilots, s-13, and others are para qualified).


Red boots have no connection to whether you went to jump school or not.
You are allowed to were them if belong to a credited unit, of which a lot don't parachute.
A lot wear them as a status symbol,without the right to do so.
I'm probalbly one of the only guys who went from black to red, then back to black, and now in the reserves, red again.

[Truthsayer]

Which isntance? The girl who died was in my training group, you can check the Eilat newspapers during the summer of 1998 for some details. The guy who was killed in Haifa is named Yuval Levy. You can find his memorial site on the web.

What an obnoxious statement/ question to pose about the dead!

Seeing the other threads you have posted in, I think it's an valid question.

(We all know that throwing pigs blood on the corpses where a tall tale...well, anyone besides you that is...)

Another person ignorant to the ways of Islam and islamic fanaticism. Your ignorance is par for the board as usual.

So you still say that the urban myth was infact a common practise, do you?